results of a joint Greece Albania poll. what do you think/any surprises?
Posted by SOHONEYSAME@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 194 comments
Posted by SOHONEYSAME@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 194 comments
Winter-Speech978@reddit
Greece before Kosovo đ±
perakisg@reddit
Okay, people complaining about Serbia being called "most democratic" by Greeks in this poll need to look at the other options the Greeks were given for the poll. It's slim fucking pickings.
Unable-Stay-6478@reddit
True. As if others are the sole pinnacle of democracy...
Beneficial_Ad_5157@reddit
SERBIA democratic, advanced rule of law snd respect for human rights???
What are you Greeks smoking?
Barbak86@reddit
That's what shocked me the most. I wonder when was this poll.conducted because I can't imagine Greeks to be so much in the dark about the ongoing unrest in Serbia that's lasting more than a year.
Coockooroockoo@reddit
I'll tell you: it simply isn't a well-informed, subjective opinion but an emotional one.
The more nationalistic/religious parts of the country tend to consider the Serbs our Orthodox brothers. Once that sets in, they can do nothing wrong. This is the exact same reason that Russia scores relatively high, given the fact that they're geopolitical enemies on paper. Add to that the fact that the small right/far-right populist parties that barely entered Parliament exist to basically promote this exact kind of thinking, and you can see what's happening.
Now that's not to badmouth Serbia as a whole, just sharing what's happening on the ground.
zdubargo@reddit
As a Serb who spent quite a bit of time in Greece and knows many Greeks, mainly liberal or left wing Athenians, I would say that I always had a warm reception among them, so I wouldnât reserve this feeling for nationalistic/religious sentiments.
I just think that there is a general positive sentiment towards Serbs, which is always very refreshing and nice to see. The same goes for Greeks in Serbia, we like them regardless of where you are on the political spectrum. The root cause of it may be historical/religious, but I think that the two nations are just friendly to each other.
Bottles4u@reddit
Iâm wondering if the poll takers just went directly into churches and polled people in line for communion
supereddy94@reddit
Siamo nel multiverso
Late_Secret3480@reddit
Greece is protecting/guarding Albanian air space with Italy.Why should we considering threat?
Ujemegaz@reddit
Nato is guarding the airspace. You just follow orders.
Late_Secret3480@reddit
Yes we guard you,North Macedonia and Montenegro. We are no threat. It doesn't make sense
holyrs90@reddit
It has to do more with your claims in the south of Albania and war law
Absalom578@reddit
I always see Greeks on here talk about how much Albanians hate Greeks, and how one-sided the hatred apparently is. Funny how it's actually the exact opposite.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
The problem is that on a government level the majority of the hate comes from Albania (specifically Edi Rama's big mouth), and this matters a lot in international relationships and their perception.
Ujemegaz@reddit
Interesting, before Rama was Berisha, a politician which sided with Beleri recently. Rama also has many Greekophones in his administration. Greece always fearmongers Albanian politicians, because they are Albanian, not that they ever did anything wrong toward Greece.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
Edi Rama has been the prime minister of Albania since 2013. It's now 2026. His predecessor is ancient history at that point. Your argument essentially boils down to the "I'm not racist, I have X friends" bogus excuse, which can be ignored. As for what Rama actually does, remember the fiasco in Abu Dhabi earlier this year.
Ujemegaz@reddit
His predecessor is the leader of opposotion. It is * not history at this point*. It is a pattern of Greek foreign policy. You just need excuses, when there is none, make them up.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
The leader of the opposition who not has received enough votes to become prime minister for the past 13 years (something that Rama has done in every election since then). It's quite clear who represents the people and who doesn't.
As for the "excuses" you're talking about, why would anyone create excuses when Rama causes several incidents every year? Make it make sense.
Ujemegaz@reddit
Berisha has enough votes. Since you follow politics, you should know that Greece created far worse incidents with Berisha, and even when Nano was in power, only because he had good relations with Erdogan. I mean, Nano allowed cemeteries of soldiers, yet, he was portrayed as a Turkophile. All Albanian politicians are "nationalists" and Turkophiles.
Rama is anything, but a "nationalist". His relagions with Kurti are worst possible. He gets high and likes to tease people. Macedonians did not mind him saying Wesyern Bulgaria, Montenegro did not mind him mocking them in a speech. He mocked a Turk moderator about him being half-German. He even made stereotypical remarks about Germany when Scholz visited. Greek public being fed with such sentiment is not aimed at Rama, but Albanian people as a whole. Yes, he represents us, but he is far from a nationalist, and he backed down on Beleri. Normally he should have called the Greek ambassador for a note of protest and should have refused entry to every single Greek mp visiting Albania in that period. That is whag a normal country should have down, but we are in an inferior position and have to suck it up.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
The fact that others don't care doesn't mean that Rama isn't creating issues. As for the "incidents" that Greece supposedly caused with Rama's predecessors, I'm expecting specific dates and details (reliable sources only).
Ujemegaz@reddit
No, you aren't expecting specific details, because you know them well regarding Himara. Funny you ask for details about well known issues. Berisha had problems with Greece, Nano had problems with Greece. Yiu can already see the pattern with Rama. Now even Rama was provoked with Beleri, but Rama is a devious politician who spends more time outside Albania clinging to EU politicians. Now that he lost his buddy Orban, he is going in Italy and Spain to find another buddy as twisted as him. It won't be easy for Greece to portray him as a Turkophile Albanian considering his reputation.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
I am expecting specific details. But you have nothing to give, because it is all made up.
You mean when Rama illegally arrested Beleri?
holyrs90@reddit
Brother the other candidate that Rama supported had also greek heritage, so wtf are u even on about. Bro got caught with buying votes, bcs every politician does buy it, he was not the only one ffs.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
As I told you the first time you posted this, the origin of the other candidate is entirely unrelated.
Ujemegaz@reddit
See the audacity. You want details, yet you think you know better the story how Beleri was arrested đ€Ł
XenophonSoulis@reddit
Yes, I know how Beleri was arrested and how he was convicted. And I'm asking for details about the aforementioned "incidents" because I know that you can't give them. It's up to you to prove me wrong.
Ujemegaz@reddit
It is impossible to debate any further with someone who denies the already known perception that Greece associates Albania with Turkey.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
It's impossible for you to debate, because I'm asking for evidence for your claims and you have none, as you made them all up.
Ujemegaz@reddit
Go fimd them like OP did. Polls speak for itself ranking Albania next to Turkey. Right in front of your eyes and you don't see them.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
I asked you for sources. You have refused to give any for half a dozen comments now. Your behaviour has made it clear that there is no such source. So cut the lies.
Ujemegaz@reddit
So, did you find any sources yet đ€
XenophonSoulis@reddit
There are no sources to find and you know it.
Ujemegaz@reddit
It means you are not googling đ€«
XenophonSoulis@reddit
I can't find something that doesn't exist.
some_randomdude1@reddit
Suggesting that anti-Greek rhetoric wins elections in Albania is laughable. Not long ago, someone tried exactly that. and they didnât even manage to cross the threshold to enter parliament
XenophonSoulis@reddit
I never suggested that. I suggested that the politician with anti-greek rhetoric wins elections, which has been the case for the past 13 years.
Ujemegaz@reddit
Do you even read what you write yourself?! You suggested exactly that being anti-greek gets you votes.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
It's in your nature to lie about everything, isn't it? I never suggested that. And my comment was simple enough for anyone with elementary reading comprehension.
holyrs90@reddit
You know that the other candidate opposed to Beleri wich Rama supported was also of greek heritage right?
XenophonSoulis@reddit
And how do you propose this is related to Beleri's illegal imprisonment?
Elmalukat@reddit
It doesnât , it is just your media that keeps telling ruthless propagandaÂ
XenophonSoulis@reddit
So Rama doesn't go on rants against Greece and Greeks several times a year (the last one to date being in Abu Dhabi in January)?
Elmalukat@reddit
No he doesnât. What happens is that everything in your media is exaggerated and extremely nationalistic. Just like when they would not shut up for a criminal like Beleri only because that pos was Greek when Albania has a lot of important figures like Tirana Mayor imprisoned on corruption charges or ex ministers from Rama Cabinet. Another of Ramaâs ex Governors (a Greek ethnic) was charged with corruption some days ago, bit it wasnât on your news because it wouldnât fit the narrative.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
Except he literally does. Are you claiming that his Abu Dhabi rant in January didn't happen?
Elmalukat@reddit
Abu Dhabi incident was one of his stupid jokes like when he kneels on Meloni, embarrasses the Montenegrin PM with how big Montenegro is because it has two names Monte and NâŠ, or calling North Macedonia West Bulgaria in front of European journalists. He even made fun of Trump with Macron and Aliyev about the Albania Aberbaijan war.
So no, there is nothing against Greek.
I dislike Edi Rama but his relationship with Greeks has been firm and mutual. The Greek government was used of Sali Berisha and his shady deals with Maritime border agreements with Greece and always holding back due to the economic dependency Albania had years ago.
There is no universe where Beleri would have been jailed during previous Governance since the Judiciary was more corrupt and easier to intimidate.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
You dismissing it as a joke does not mean that it didn't happen. It very much did.
There is no way Beleri wouldn't have been jailed during previous governance for a crime he didn't commit, that's for sure.
Elmalukat@reddit
He committed fraud and bought votes. His ass was jailed like many other mayors in Albania and which has a functioning Judiciary when it comes to political elite.Â
You are basing this whole argument on a joke but claim several rants a year.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
He was jailed after a questionable process.
I am basing this whole argument on several rants a year, but the only defence you have is that it was "a joke".
Elmalukat@reddit
No one questioned it, only Greek City Times and you did
XenophonSoulis@reddit
And the Greek government. Rightfully so.
Elmalukat@reddit
No one gives a fck.
Mitso started crying and talk about veto, Germany told him to shut up and he did
XenophonSoulis@reddit
Prove it.
Elmalukat@reddit
https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/1227364/new-diplomatic-challenge-comes-from-germany/
Germanyâs push for Albanian accession, despite the latterâs continued jailing of the elected mayor of Himare, Fredi Beleri, has led to Mitsotakisâ clashing with Chancellor Olaf Scholz.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
So your claim that "he was asked to shut up and he did" was a lie. Nice.
Elmalukat@reddit
He shut up and couldnât even lift a finger about negotiation starting.
He just kept crying internally for the public
XenophonSoulis@reddit
Prove it.
Elmalukat@reddit
What is there to prove, clear as day the negotiations started and all the clusters are open.
Meanwhile you and Mitso keep crying about the Beleri thief( just as Mitso)
XenophonSoulis@reddit
There is a claim to prove. Do you even know how claims and evidence work?
Elmalukat@reddit
Prove it
XenophonSoulis@reddit
So you don't know how evidence and claims work. Good to know.
d2mensions@reddit
No, yall hate Albania cause you associate it with Turkey.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
I'm open to seeing the evidence that brought you to this marvellous conclusion.
d2mensions@reddit
What anti-Greece thing has Albania done?
Albania is the only neighbor of Greece with a recognized Greek minority.
Albania agreed to send the Ionian Sea dispute at the International Court of Justice in The Hague. This is the most neutral thing a country can do.
Albania agreed to build Greek cementeries for fallen Greek soldiers in Albania during WW2.
You dont know, but Greek songs are played in Albanian shows, a half-albanian, half-greek song won a big festival in Albania.
There was Greek Cultural Week in Albania, they put Greek flags in Tirana, Durrës, Korça.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
This is a nice text wall, but it is completely unrelated to the conversation. Find somewhere else to post it. I made a specific question and I'm expecting a specific answer.
d2mensions@reddit
Ive read this:
Albania is majority muslim too and Turkey builds new mosques here.
I myself dont like the unnecessary Turkish influence here, but I dont think its wrong to say that the good relations between Albania and Turkey are one of the reasons why Greece sees Albania negatively.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
So a single incident is all you could find a whole hour after being asked for sources. Got it.
d2mensions@reddit
Okay then according to you, why does Greece see Albania negatively when Albania hasnât done anything bad to Greece?
Turkey officially claims islands and seas, North Macedonia officially claimed Greek historical figures (Skopje 2014 project).
As far as i know Albania officially doesnât claim anything Greek, or threatens Greece.
Albanians online and some pseudo historians claim Greek things, but the country tries to have good relations with Greece.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
I don't know and I don't care. I asked for evidence for your claim, not for bogus texts.
d2mensions@reddit
okay then dont reply backâŠ
XenophonSoulis@reddit
Why don't you take your own advice since you have no intention of having a conversation anyway?
Elmalukat@reddit
Albania agreed to send the Ionian Sea dispute at the International Court of Justice in The Hague. This is the most neutral thing a country can do.
They want the agreement that Sali Berisha made where they got whatever they wanted but thankfully the Constitutional Court intervened and it didnât go throughÂ
Ujemegaz@reddit
He is right. You associate Albania with Turkey, and it won't change as long as Albania exists.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
As I said, I'm open to seeing the evidence that brought both of you to this marvellous conclusion.
Ujemegaz@reddit
Are you saying that Greece doesn't see Albania as a Turkish shill country đ€
XenophonSoulis@reddit
I am asking you for the evidence behind your claim that it does.
Ujemegaz@reddit
The evidence is Greek negative opinion on Albania, especially regarding our good relations with Turkey, which are not as good technically as the ones we have with Greece, but who cares about the technicalities, perception is what matters.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
This is not evidence, it is an additional unsupported claim.
Prove that claim.
Ujemegaz@reddit
What claim, that Greeks don't view Albanians as Turkish shills? It is universal at this point.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
Well6, if it is "universal", you should be able to find a multitude of impartial sources to back it up.
Ujemegaz@reddit
OP already has the answers.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
OP has no answers for the question I asked. I'm still waiting.
anton_d66@reddit
Honestly, before meeting Albanians from Albania I expected most of them would dislike us given that we are arrogant racist pricks (within the Balkan context). I was shocked how much the average Albanian likes Greece, like we donât deserve it, but itâs nice to feel the warmth nonetheless
holyrs90@reddit
Yeah a lot of Albanians do holidays in Greece
GoHardLive@reddit
Surprized we have such a positive view of Israel
holyrs90@reddit
Ots bcs Israel is opposed to Turkey, very easy
abki12c@reddit
It's because Reddit doesn't accurately reflect reality
starxidiamou@reddit
Itâs either BS or the result of propagandized concept of the forced Muslim migration (by destabilizing their countries) to the EU (and specifically/through Greece) while championing israel as the ones to fight off this âproblemâ
the_lonely_creeper@reddit
Honestly, both surpised by that and by how negative we view some other countries.
Or that we consider Serbia's government particularly democratic.
JumpApprehensive9949@reddit
I laughted at that one but than i saw the other options đ„Č
Yavannia@reddit
Surprised Israel is a neighbouring country.
Lumpy-Tone-4653@reddit
I have ong never heard anyone in my entire life refer to Israel as oyr neighbor and even seeing them in a positive light.
greekscientist@reddit
Of course, no one likes israel here, except for those who love Ukraine as well, some rightists and Latinopoulou.
Lumpy-Tone-4653@reddit
Ukraine is loved by all sides of the compass.Exept of the rushophiles who tend to either be far left or far right.
greekscientist@reddit
I love Ukrainian people, I love Ukrainian culture and history, but I hate Zelensky and Ukrainian oligarchs who profit from the war (and Putin + his clique for same reason).
I refer to fanatic Ukraine supporters that hate Russia, promote nazi collaborator Bandera, give money for fundraisers, and believe all this imperialist propaganda in favor of Ukraine.
holyrs90@reddit
Bro is brainwashed by propaganda
Lumpy-Tone-4653@reddit
I get what you mean.But even the rushophiles within ukraine are also oligarchs and zelensky himself was at first framed as the neutral or pro-russia candidate.
greekscientist@reddit
Yes, because they made their profits through trading with Russia, by developing ties with the Russian capital, so they support Russia because if Russia goes, then their stream of money will be lost to oligarchs who are pro-EU.
Zelensky was a populist forwarded by the Western bloc in order to prepare Ukraine for war. He never did any step to peace, Minsk was sabotaged from the beginning.
dwartbg9@reddit
No seriously, why the fuck is Israel considered your neighbor. By that logic Egypt, Lybia and Syria are also neighbors.
And I seriously doubt people are that insane over there. The results for Serbia and Israel are just really crazyy
Lumpy-Tone-4653@reddit
Idk what kind of greeks they asked .like...bro...WHERE IS CYPRUS?Why isnt cyprus number 1?sure i get france but wtf is israel even doing here.Lebanon is 6 million times more positevely seen by greeks than fucking Israel.
greekscientist@reddit
Cyprus is not Balkans, so they didn't include it.
Your___mom_@reddit
USA is now in the Balkans?Â
greekscientist@reddit
I guess they consider Cyprus irrelevant to the poll in comparison to US, France and israel. To be fair Cyprus is a small country.
asdfghjk01234@reddit
I suppose Cyprus would not be the first country that would come to anyone's mind when asked a question like this in Greece, because Cyprus for us is not perceived as all the other foreign countries.
It would be perceived as a question about which one amongst all the other countries, Cyprus is a standard obvious answer and would be automatically excluded by almost everyone asked.
holyrs90@reddit
Yeah same with Albania and Kosovo
asdfghjk01234@reddit
I suppose Cyprus would not be the first country that would come to anyone's mind when asked a question like this in Greece, because Cyprus for us is our brother country and not perceived as a totally foreign country as all the other foreign countries.
Lumpy-Tone-4653@reddit
France and Israel are balkans?
dwartbg9@reddit
Youre right, they have Israel and Serbia, but zero mention of Cyprus... This poll smells of absolute bullshit, especially seeing how OP didn't provide any sources or anything.
OddPreparation1512@reddit
I though the greece turkey hate was kind of a joke. Apperently its not a joke in greece lol
Yavannia@reddit
The most hilarious slide was the one of Albanians saying Greece has the most democratic and just system while Greeks said Serbia is the more democratic and just country, just LOL on both.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
Greece is indeed the most functional democracy in the region (original source|easily readable index for 2006-2024|readable source for 2025). The closest country that ranks higher than Greece is Austria. Democracy perception is a whole different beast though (often unrelated to the quality of a democracy itself), and Greece ranks quite low on that.
greekscientist@reddit
I don't think so. Opekepe scandal is a good example.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
Oh, of course a random redditor with indeterminate credentials knows better than the experts. Sorry, I forgot about that part.
Coockooroockoo@reddit
You must be aware it this point that our government is heavily cooking the books, right? Not that any Greek government ever stopped, but these ones easily compete for the cake.
I'm not saying that the data is right or wrong, just that I don't fully trust the image we project to the outside world.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
So I should trust a random redditor's conspiracy theory with no evidence whatsoever over the opinion of the experts. Got it.
Coockooroockoo@reddit
What conspiracy theory? Please tell me you don't consider the OPEKEPE scandal a conspiracy. Please.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
At this point I'm worried for your memory. There is NO WAY you forgot that you wrote this 6 minutes ago:
Coockooroockoo@reddit
You're probably trying to muddy the waters while also sounding smart, but I'm pretty much doubling down on my own claim. OPEKEPE = cooked books.
In any case, if we are doubting stuff like this and shilling for the government in a Balkan sub, we're fucking screwed as a country.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
OPEKEPE is entirely unrelated to this conversation and you know it. Let's get back on topic.
In any case, if you want to make claims about problematic administration of justice, you should provide evidence to back those claims up. Otherwise it is simply a conspiracy theory.
greekscientist@reddit
I mean, if they believe that the zionist genocidal entity who hates Palestinians, does genocide and murders in West Bank too, bombs people in many countries is democratic because it's American ally, its obvious this is fake.
Venezuela and China are more democratic. In China people can complain about bad services.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
And here we can witness a typical example of a bot malfunction. Hey, you know that your rant is unrelated to the conversation, right?
greekscientist@reddit
israeli parties except for Hadash support fascism and expamsionism. There is no pressure freedom, only Zionist propaganda everywhere.
Read below:
https://www.prio.org/comments/1806
I dont defend the pseudosocialist Maduro, who opposed American imperialism but didnt made any switch to socialism, but Venezuela had some sort of democracy. Opposition parties were allowed, even a Gusano like Edmundo GonzĂĄlez was allowed to run. In israel, Ofer Cassif, Communist Party member, is treated like the worst criminal for speaking against genocide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ofer_Cassif
XenophonSoulis@reddit
Still malfunctioning. You are still out of topic.
greekscientist@reddit
I said that Democracy Index is lies.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
So, again, you are asking us to accept your opinion with no credentials whatsoever over that of the experts. This isn't happening.
greekscientist@reddit
So according to you, I can't critise the Democracy index which is super biased because I am not in the Burger Democracy Institute?
XenophonSoulis@reddit
An antivaxxer probably.
No, you cannot pass your anti-expert opinions as facts.
Elmalukat@reddit
Albanians are objective, Greeks on the other handâŠ
some_randomdude1@reddit
Well, out of all countries listed there, Greece is indeed the most functional democracy. Greeks perception of Serbia on the other hand... just LOL, I agree
Senior-Profession711@reddit
Serbia shows high percentages because the survey is limited to the small Balkans (Bulgaria is more popular among Greeks in real life because of the EU, tourism and investment). If you included the whole world, Serbia wouldnât even appear on the list. A Danish YouTuber once asked random people on the street in Greece which countries they like the most, and no one even mentioned Serbia.
As for democracy, Greeks probably donât even know who VuÄiÄ is. This OP just wanted to distance Greeks and Albanians. The last time Greeks and Serbs were relevant to each other was in 1912-13, for God's sake
Cgko@reddit
I would really like to know more about the methods used to produce these results. As a Greek, the numbers look really weird.
Zealousideal_Fox3012@reddit
wow i didn't know greece hated us this much and that albanians liked us?
caesarj12@reddit
US 1st place is a given for us but I would have imagined 2nd would be Italy and 3rd would be Austria.
Citaku357@reddit
Kosova should be higher when it comes being best friends.
Ujemegaz@reddit
I think they respknded out of the blue. "Which is your best ally" most would respond the US, even in Kosovo. Albania would be considered out of the question.
JumpApprehensive9949@reddit
Idk if i had a poll on choosing best friends i would choose USA or something else but not Albania. Feels strange to choose yourself đ«
Citaku357@reddit
đ sometimes you have no other choice but to choose yourself as your own best friend
Ujemegaz@reddit
It portrays our naivity.
AntiKouk@reddit
If anything you come across very well. Greeks on the other hand..
Ujemegaz@reddit
No we don't. We view Greece in a good light, while they don't. Then we wonder why we get slaughtered when major conflicts erupt.
Sopaipilla@reddit
ny mob connection goin wild
sayinmer@reddit
nice to see how positive Greece views Turkey
Yavannia@reddit
I wonder why
Voldypants_420@reddit
Even we don't consider ourselves safe, how can they?
Ujemegaz@reddit
They like us both.
Greek_Bodybuilder995@reddit
For Albania I thought Italy would come 2nd place. There is somewhat of a special relationship between Italy and Albania.
For Greece I agree that France is our most important ally. Hands down. Nowadays people are saying that America is our closest ally but, as much as I like the USA (I am half-Albanian, after all), I think France and Greece share the same interests. Greece and the US have a lot of joint interests, too, but the French have a special place in our hearts.
Ujemegaz@reddit
Most go to Germany now.
dwartbg9@reddit
About the Greek results:
AntiKouk@reddit
There's a perfectly good explanation. In Greek language Serbia=good and Turkey=bad
Mestintrela@reddit
Some of these votes are a national embarrassment.
Especially about how democratic and respectful of human rights Serbia is.
anton_d66@reddit
I think the fact that they were choosing âbetween the following optionsâ led to a lot of them picking Serbia as the âmostâ democratic, skewing the results. Still embarrassing⊠like these people probably havenât met a single Serbian or paid any attention of Serbian politics.
Elmalukat@reddit
Serbia is less democratic than Montenegro, Albania, N. Macedonia or Kosovo.Â
anton_d66@reddit
Oh, yeah, absolutely, Iâm just trying to rationalise the results of the polls. Like why would so many say Serbia
FantasticQuartet@reddit
I laughed that Serbia was picked as the country that looks most like us. Let's be honest it's probably Turkey.
JumpApprehensive9949@reddit
Probably it went like , Serbia â> Orthodox .
Democracy is something good.
And we like Serbia
Which means Sebia is the most democratic country
aquilae42@reddit
Interesting that greeks think that Serbia has the most advanced democratic system, something that even people in serbians donât agree with because of Vucic.
AntiKouk@reddit
Yeah I can't lie that this polling is embarrassingÂ
greekscientist@reddit
I guess they went to ask Velopoulos, Niki and New Democracy voters for this question.
Elmalukat@reddit
Based on this poll Greeks are delusional and out of reality when they put Serbia as the most democratic country.
tipoftheiceberg1234@reddit
Why does Greece wants to be friends with Israel?
This is another reason why Greece falls out of the âBalkansâ a lot - I think every single Balkan country prefers Palestine to Israel, sympathizes with them more and if they had to choose, relate to Palestine more culturally.
So the fact that Greece comes in left handed and says âIsraelâ⊠not a good look especially at this moment
anton_d66@reddit
Take the polling with a grain of salt, from experience most Greeks support Palestine too. That being said even then I think itâs closer to 50-50.
But itâs not like that other 50 particularly likes Israhell. Itâs mostly right wingers driven by either business profiteering and/or seeing it as strategic ally in territorial disputes with Turkey.
Accomplished-One5765@reddit
The âenemy of my enemy is my friendâ narrative is strong in Greece, but it could blow up in their faces, as the existence of Israel is essentially free PR for Turkey, and Greece could very well find itself in the eye of the storm by associating with them.
Letâs just say that Itâs not looking good for Israel, and allying with them would be a huge mistake.
Abject-Ticket-6260@reddit
Is it? I mean they basically have the US as their dog so i don't think much will happen tbh.
Accomplished-One5765@reddit
I wasnât necessarily talking about geopolitical consequences or whatever but the public perception of Israel/US absolutely TANKKKEDDD worldwide.
Lumpy-Tone-4653@reddit
Histsorically Greece ha slways been either neutral or miderate on the palestine issue and most of the time politically speaking we were paledtinian.
I ong swear to you no normal greek in athens thinks Serbia is democratic and vuews israel positively.I dont even get why they are here,they aint even our neighbor.
Useful_Trust@reddit
I mean i can tell you its literally the enemy of our enemy is our friend. That's why greece wants israel, plus it helps that israel can control US.
Environmental-Test87@reddit
wtf Greece? As Bulgarian you are our best neighbor and now I found out that you like fukin Serbia more⊠wtf
Any-Consideration470@reddit
Greeks will read this and still say that Albanians are more nationalistic and backwards, but it turns out itâs the opposite, which we always knew this poll isnât crazy to me or other Albanians.
opinionsareuseful@reddit
Well, I am Greek and I say this chart doesn't have sources and should not be a basis for any conversation
JumpApprehensive9949@reddit
Letâs be real, it is like that!
golden_succ15@reddit
Greeks fucking not have a positive opinion of Israel
TXDobber@reddit
Everyday Iâm reminded just how further to the left r/Greece is of the average Greek
Is this a thing across Greek online spaces generally? Or just Reddit?
mikitheserb7@reddit
Give me whatever the Greeks are smoking
Voldypants_420@reddit
But but but :(
starxidiamou@reddit
The answer for the threat to Greece should be israel
Useful_Trust@reddit
Why?
Lumpy-Tone-4653@reddit
They suck
Useful_Trust@reddit
I mean they do suck but why are they the biggest threat to greece?
Lumpy-Tone-4653@reddit
Other than being the reason we will flood with refugees again?They want to turn us into one of their "loyal allies" since our goverment is willing to sell out the country to them in hopes that they will help counter turkey.
NegotiationSweet5082@reddit
I wasn't expecting a good answer for TĂŒrkiye regarding relations with its neighbors, but seriously, are Serbia and Israel the only neighbors you have good relations with? What about the Greeks? What could Macedonia or Albania have done to you?
Lumpy-Tone-4653@reddit
I seear to you no person in their right mimd here in greece views israel positively...or as a neighbot...the serbia thing sure...we are friends with them traditionally...but most democratic?As a greek reading this i thought OP polled far-right viters in greece because godamn i disagree a lot here.
Q2TRFN@reddit
People are surprised with Serbia are probably from the South of Greece. We love Serbia in the north both due to the historical Orthodox ties but also because when you interact with a Serb it's always in a pleasant environment (vacations, tourists etc). No one knows or cares about Vucic or the political situation in Serbia the same way they don't know about ours. The reasoning is just Serbia=goodÂ
FantasticQuartet@reddit
Source of this?
d2mensions@reddit
post it in r/greece
Marakajin@reddit
I need a source on this, sample and methodology.
The Serbia answers are interesting to me. I don't think there's widespread coverage regarding anything in that country and I have the suspicion those answers are based on ignorance and "vibes". Like you're answering a multiple choice question and you just pick the one that seems less wrong to you (and somehow it's still wrong).
Nikoschalkis1@reddit
Bro who's answering these questions? I get the mutual fondness with Serbia but it being the most democratic and not similar??
True-Blacksmith4235@reddit
Maybe people just donât have knowledge of the current political situation (which is understandable honestly, because we are not even neighbours), and are just answering, going by general approval..
Going by vibes lol
Axil_GR@reddit
Was this poll taken amongst Velopoulos voters?
liberaetimpera1@reddit
If you read twitter and reddit ud think Turkey is worst enemy of albanians lol.
In real world, everyone knows how close militarily we have gotten and the more people check on other things as well the better the opinions get.
mantequilla_8@reddit
As a Greek doesnât understand these graphâs reliability
Lorumba@reddit
No suprises tbh would like to see this about every balkan country including turkiye
Greek_Bodybuilder995@reddit
...bence cok gĂŒzel olmayacak. Maalesef.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
I knew that Greece adores Serbia, but I didn't expect it would be this high. Particularly in the "who should get into the EU" question. EU entry depends on rules and requirements and I'd be more willing to accept whoever accomplishes them better (at this point Montenegro and Albania in that order, but not Serbia).
Young_Owl99@reddit
Since when Greece is bordering Israel ?