Raise Taxes on Unoccupied commercial real estate every year
Posted by grzy7316x@reddit | CrazyIdeas | View on Reddit | 23 comments
In the past, I have seen that the main reason places will let commercial real estate stay vacant rather than lowering the rent is to do with how CRE financing works. To disincentivize this behavior, there should be a 12% tax increase for every year that it remains unoccupied without lowering the rent. After enough time, they will either lower the rent and get a tenant (at which point the tax increase goes away) or the property will be lost to taxes. For every year that it is unoccupied for more than half the year , they should get the 12% , so on year 2 its a 24% additional tax, year 3 it is a 36% additional text etc... After they have a full year of occupancy with a business of some kind, then the all the increased taxes go away. If they don't make it through the whole year occupied but had at least 6 months , don't add another 12% on top, but leave the prior years amounts on .
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420FriendlyStranger@reddit
I own a piece of property with nothing built on it, but because of location it was zoned commercial. In fact, my property is more of a wildlife preserve with trees, shrubs, etc. Your telling me I should pay a higher tax for taking care of the environment?
dondegroovily@reddit
OP says property but I think they mean buildings
grzy7316x@reddit (OP)
Yes buildings
General_Exception@reddit
Can’t tax buildings, only land. Land has value because of buildings on it.
Trevor775@reddit
This idea is so dumb.
proximusprimus57@reddit
Basically Georgism.
Steve-Shouts@reddit
I find this interesting, but don't have enough information to form an opinion. Go on about the tax perks of having empty building
grzy7316x@reddit (OP)
If you mean the part where the town / city takes the place, at that point they can sell it to someone at a price that means that rents would be at a sensible rate, since the commercial real estate lenders would have seen that the prior loan value / rents were not actually viable. Heck the municipality could rent it out at rates that make sense
knowitallz@reddit
They are already losing money by not having tenants. This is a bad idea. The commercial real estate is already in a death spiral
Sorry-Climate-7982@reddit
Some countries already do this, not nearly as high as 12%, but enough to try to discourage it.
Megalocerus@reddit
Some people say property taxes in general encourage the best economic use of land. But right now that might be residential.
Sorry-Climate-7982@reddit
Yeah, you are correct, but there are so many roadblocks in the path of trying to reclaim old commercial real estate and turn it into any type of housing.
Suspect tax strategies are one item, but the other is cleanup, zoning, etc. etc.
underengineered@reddit
Why do you think it is your business or prerogative to tell a property owner what they must accept for a lease on their property?
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silly_goat_moat@reddit
Here in the UK this is happening a lot now. Many properties in coastal or tourist areas are just 2nd or 3rd homes of the wealthy. They can now be double or more council tax (a yearly tax on all residential).
Ch1Guy@reddit
Rent for a 2,500 ft storefront in Chicago is typically around 5k/month. A little more than the cost of one full time employee.
Dropping the rent by 20% isnt going to to make a meaningful difference to the success of a business.
TacitusJones@reddit
Wouldn't this create a perverse incentive on the part of the buyer?
Why pay full price, when you can wait a year for the taxes to make things less profitable
Hsinats@reddit
There is a vacant unit tax where I lived. I think it was 1% or the market price. To the best of my knowledge, it has reduced the vacancy rate.
S14Ryan@reddit
I like him concept, imagine first vacant year is 1%, then goes up to 2%, then 3%. Maybe max at 5% or something.
jregovic@reddit
Remember when Goege had Togo to the unemployment office and prove he was looking for a job? Make these unit owners prove they are actually looking for tenants.