What causes these grey streaks coming out around screws?
Posted by nobody_knows_im_gay@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 32 comments
On my way to ORD right now in a 737 MAX8 and saw these little streaks coming out from seams and screws. I've always wondered about it over the years but never asked anyone. See it on damn near every plane and never understood if it was just grime and dirt or something else. Do they use any lubricants in threads or anything that squeezes out over time? the bits coming out around screws always seemed odd to me.
MNC1573@reddit
Fretting juice or fretting paste. The rivets or fasteners are failing. Not a drama if they are replaced in time. More of a drama if they're not
NoLingonberry2831@reddit
A/C blood
QueefSeekingMissile@reddit
This is called fretting corrosion. It's caused when the screws abd rivets become just ^slighty looser than spec. You wouldn't be able to tell at all in the beginning stages, and if you felt those they'd likely feel perfectly secure.
But they are loose enough for microscopic particles to get between the fastener head and the material, and when they get there they slowly grind material away that escapes out from under the head, and streaks backwards in the wind.
These are also called smoking rivets.
Metallifan33@reddit
Smoking Rivets… huh. 20 years in the business and I’ve never heard of the term.
QueefSeekingMissile@reddit
I guess it's true you learn something new every day!
nobody_knows_im_gay@reddit (OP)
Oh interesting.. no one else has mentioned this and just said it's dirt and grime but I guess then some of the dirt and grime is the corrosion. Thanks for the additonal detail.
QueefSeekingMissile@reddit
I guess corrosion in this case wouldn't be used as most people would imagine. It's not an electro and/or chemical process. It's just a physical grinding away of material on the microscopic level.
It's also exactly why aircraft are constantly being inspected and maintained- to monitor the progress of the lifespan of every single part and its fasteners on the aircraft.
nobody_knows_im_gay@reddit (OP)
Are there any general timelines for when this corrosion is expected to show with screws? How do you even fix that if it advances quickly?
Soarlikealion@reddit
They are rivets not screws, but we’re not talking about any time quickly. I mean a decade would be quick.
RHECCLARK@reddit
These are torq-set screws, if they are install under touqed then the corrosion can enter the void causing this.smoking rivets and screws are the same symptom of a loose fastener.
michuneo@reddit
Because people tend to have no idea what are they talking about. :)
Working_Horse_69@reddit
This.
KirkieSB@reddit
Smoking rivets.
Explained here: https://youtu.be/HPrt_7A27l8?si=kAkwK9mS0bhQVl6j
stupidpotato_77@reddit
Smoking Rivets
PsychologicalGlass47@reddit
Weeping, dust and debris gets caught on the heads and bevels of hardware and are released from moisture and various sprays.
Mode_Historical@reddit
The true aviation technical term is SCHMUTZ.
agha0013@reddit
dirt builds up around screw heads and things, water and de-icing sprays loosens it up, the odd airflow around areas like this create the streaks as the dirty liquids seep out and dry up.
avboden@reddit
The technical word is “gunk”
Wdwdash@reddit
Wear grease
avboden@reddit
Schmoo
buzburbank@reddit
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nobody_knows_im_gay@reddit (OP)
That makes perfect sense. Thanks.
B777X_787-9@reddit
Glycol ethylene , aka de-icing juice, is viscous like syrup, and the dirt accumulated mixed with it makes the wings look like that.
Anon_Tax_1738@reddit
Forbidden eyeliner
Toedipper19@reddit
Normally means the screws are loose.
Kai-ni@reddit
Dirt, or what they call 'smoking' rivets.
Chris-8521@reddit
If you know…you know
Edgar_Roni@reddit
This is what it’s like when planes cry
fervetopus@reddit
Poor mascara.
Dilated_Auntie6970@reddit
Shitter's full
f1agulent@reddit
Dirt/dust x condensation = this
airport-codes@reddit
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