Advocates rally for ‘Priscilla’s Law’, calling for licensing/registration for all powered micromobility, in NYC
Posted by Nebulon-B_FrigateFTW@reddit | ebikes | View on Reddit | 48 comments
glity@reddit
Ok so he lied. We won’t enforce well regulated away.
Nebulon-B_FrigateFTW@reddit (OP)
Who lied?
glity@reddit
Time. Give it time and my answer will be fun for you. Either I’m right or wrong either way is fun. Words can change things this early let’s see if it works or the mayor of nyc is a puppet.
Nebulon-B_FrigateFTW@reddit (OP)
Mamdani didn't do this, and just a few weeks ago he was ending a policy of treating cyclists as criminals for traffic violations.
glity@reddit
Hence the statement. It’s a future qualifier statement. I hope he does what he said. This type of action to compromise placed this early in the media cycle is the process of “ohh shucks I had no choice” style of leadership. Not a guarantee but just a possibility. If we don’t look at possibilities in politicians it makes it easy for them to lie and get away with it. I like him currently but you have to watch the “secondary pathways of power self enrichment.” For the ultra powerful they use the media to create a narrative to “force” them to do something. I am not attacking him just saying always be observant of politicians, especially wealthy ones.
Nebulon-B_FrigateFTW@reddit (OP)
I'm quite sure tho he did not lie. This could well be something being planted by Amazon in retaliation for his scrutiny of their delivery drivers (who often drive things described as ebikes), so that they can argue theirs are licensed and random ebikers are not.
glity@reddit
I agree that politicians can make the water murky. So I look at the closer. Are you aware of any definitive stance on pro e-bike or anti e-bike. Being pro amazon is the same thing as being owned by tech bro. Tech bro ownership of politicians is not a good thing for normal people. So I look for indicators of power based self enrichment Facebook is the largest propaganda machine for a very wealthy influential demographic.
atlasraven@reddit
Vehicles primarily on the road - Yes but not normal ebikes on bike lanes or other low speed devices. This law would require a hoverboard to display a license plate.
Kinetic_Symphony@reddit
No, for no ebikes. Fuck the DMV and fuck the government, point blank.
Tired of people trading basic liberty for the illusion of safety.
iH8MotherTeresa@reddit
Fuck a bicycle license. Regulate them properly. We already have a basic class system. Fine parents who buy their dumb shit kid a surron to shut their annoying ass up. Crush the bikes.
But no, it's easier to be a fucking idiot and make people jump through legal hoops to ride their bike. Much of this stems from assholes on emotos who don't give a fuck anyway.
But that's all good, let's make personal mobility independent of a car more difficult.
Nebulon-B_FrigateFTW@reddit (OP)
The people at this rally, and politicians, are not talking about emotos. They are specifically asking for even Class 1 ebikes to require a plate, under the idea that an emoto rider would be held accountable by being stopped for having no plate, or being later brought to justice from a camera recording the plate, and they want that extended further down because it's still possible for low-speed bikes to kill people.
You could make every emoto rider disappear for a decade, and there would still be rallies like this screaming about the 1 dead teacher killed by a bike that year in the city, while 50 die that year to cars.
Give them this, and in a few years, they'll ask for license plates on non-electric bicycles too, citing a death to one.
Give them that, and in a few years, they'll ask for a prohibition on mask-wearing, so that the AI facial recognition cameras now being deployed across many cities can bring "accountability" to criminals.
Travyplx@reddit
I’ve lived in places that require regular bikes to be registered, it isn’t the hell you are making it out to be.
Dav_Dabz@reddit
The road to hell is paved in "good" intentions.
Separate-Command1993@reddit
You sound like a fun person….
Just because you have an emoto doesn’t mean your organizing takeovers and wheelies down the highway at 50mph. Some people just like to ride to the trails or around town to the gas station for some snacks
iH8MotherTeresa@reddit
Clearly you didn't understand my comment.
Tobinator97@reddit
Welcome to Germany where all powered vehicles require that besides pedal assist bikes
Nebulon-B_FrigateFTW@reddit (OP)
This would require it for pedal assist bikes too.
atlasraven@reddit
You need insurance and a special permit just to walk across a grassy field :P
LexLex07@reddit
Don't forget to pay for the damages to a grass, also a pollution tax, etc
Nebulon-B_FrigateFTW@reddit (OP)
The article clearly claims it would, yes, and this would create a bureaucratic nightmare. However, I'm having trouble finding anything in the actual bill text, so the article may be mistaken.
If the article is mistaken, I suspect a lot of people would switch to things like electric skateboards to dodge.
bhtooefr@reddit
Looks like this is the bill text FWIW: https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2025/S2599/amendment/A for Senate and https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2025/A339/amendment/A for Assembly.
Looks like it only applies to e-bikes (which means the class system bikes) and e-scooters, not anything else.
parisidiot@reddit
we should put plates on pedestrians to cut down on dangerous jaywalking next
Nebulon-B_FrigateFTW@reddit (OP)
Don't worry, Flock cameras with facial recognition that send data to the NYPD and ICE are on it!
zcherry27@reddit
i get wanting safety but licensing e-bikes is gonna make them way less accessible which defeats the whole point of affordable transportation options.
Nebulon-B_FrigateFTW@reddit (OP)
It's almost like that's the purpose...
MrGruntsworthy@reddit
Any excuse to squeeze more money out of us. Disgusting.
Nebulon-B_FrigateFTW@reddit (OP)
Yep. New York state has forbidden Kei cars entirely because they presented a cheaper option than regular cars.
NYC meanwhile has 4-wheeled "ebike" delivery vehicles with no side doors or safety features of any kind running all over it because of Amazon, as if somehow those are safer than Kei cars.
BoringBob84@reddit
How do you know that they have nefarious motives like that? The stated reasons are safety and emissions.
Read More: The Strict Rule About Selling 'Mini' Trucks in New York | https://wrrv.com/kei-truck-legal-ny/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral
Nebulon-B_FrigateFTW@reddit (OP)
Kei cars follow Japanese safety and emissions standards, which are some of the best in the world. They also pollute and hurt pedestrians FAR less than the large pickups New York is happy to have on the roads.
BoringBob84@reddit
They still don't meet USA safety and emissions standards. However, I wonder if they would meet the standards that were in place in the USA when they were manufactured in Japan.
I would need to see evidence of that before believing it. I think that Kei trucks are great, and I don't think that they should be banned, but I am just questioning why some states have banned them.
Nebulon-B_FrigateFTW@reddit (OP)
They do meet them, but New York state requires specific testing (that costs millions, because you have to crash dozens of them in special tests that take a lot of equipment) to confirm that, and anyone can buy any other kind of car from 25 years ago that DOES NOT meet them, and New York won't ask for any paperwork or testing, even if it's actually the size of a Kei car but wasn't sold in Japan and thus didn't receive the Japanese designation.
An article about the AAMVA situation with regards to Kei cars: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a62736664/kei-trucks-us-regulations/
By the way, I say "cars" because they are not all trucks. Kei is a designation of car size in Japan that confers special benefits to insurance cost because the small size means less damage is incurred to other people and property in the event of a crash.
BoringBob84@reddit
Thank you for the interesting information.
I can understand the emissions concerns in a dense city, but it is not like these trucks are two-stroke. They are relatively-modern, overhead-valve, small-displacement, four-stroke engines with catalytic converters - pretty clean, I'd say.
And the safety hazard is largely to the driver; not to anyone else.
Nebulon-B_FrigateFTW@reddit (OP)
Note that it's a New York state regulation, not New York City; upstate New York is not very dense.
On emissions, I couldn't find a good source on exact requirements, but 1990 onwards (generally nobody is importing a Kei car that's from before 1990, as that'd be 11 years beyond what's necessary for legal importing) had supposedly-strict emissions standards according to a few different sources.
A fun note on safety is that if you were to only care about driver safety as a rationale...then bikes of all kinds should be illegal. The situation in US law on safety regulations is frankly absurd, in that anything on 2/3 wheels gets a pass for safety if it has the most basic of lights, despite motorcycles and 3-wheel ATVs being by far the least safe forms of transportation, while a 4-wheel ATV that is at least double as safe is generally illegal (my state and a few others being exceptions), and then Kei cars that are like triple as safe are also illegal in many states, and then a regular-sized car is legal.
It is patently absurd that safety regulations that only care about occupant safety are used as a rationale to ban vehicles that wouldn't be banned if they were LESS safe for occupants. But ultimately, what it's all really about is that <4 wheels weren't mainstream (before ebikes, the only time anything came close to challenging cars was mopeds, and those weren't outselling gas cars, but ebikes are outselling ecars!), and the extensive safety testing of cars in the US that disregards international standards entirely, requiring fresh US-testing is a form of regulatory capture to make 4-wheeled foreign competition all but illegal. The 25-year rule was in part because cars that old weren't serious competition, but now that the tech has stagnated for ~25 years, they suddenly are, and so of course all of a sudden you get states interested in banning the most widely-known cheap small car imports.
neverfakemaplesyrup@reddit
Kei cars and trucks ARE emissions compliant.
The state doesn't legalize them over "safety". But we also know there is mass lobbying from domestic manufacturers to preserve their market share... There's so many citations for that it's unbelievable, but here is one just on a pseudo-hidden organization that's funding efforts to maintain kei truck bans:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrTnyWODUT0
unroja@reddit
Maybe these people would have a case if they showed even 1% of this level of concern for the tens of thousands of Americans killed by cars every year
Manateekid@reddit
The American government and car have literally spent billions and billions of dollars on improving automobile and highway safety in the last 40 years.
unroja@reddit
They are doing a pretty terrible job then. The US has far more deadly roads than most other developed countries, and the rate is actually increasing every year while other countries are declining.
Manateekid@reddit
What I stated is demonstrable fact. Go back and read your own comment. Now you want to talk about success and outcomes based on facts you pulled from the air. Different discussion.
unroja@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year#/media/File:1994-_Motor_vehicle_traffic_deaths_in_road_accidents,_by_country.svg
AtAllThoseChickens@reddit
Expanding highways or improving safety? Because many (if not most) deaths are not on highways and the death numbers have not been going down.
thirtynation@reddit
Very easy to ignore for those that ride legal vehicles and don't ride them like jackholes. Ignore it.
Nebulon-B_FrigateFTW@reddit (OP)
The NYPD is famously racist and classist and will use every excuse to go after cyclists. Just a few weeks ago they were bemoaning the loss of a rule that cyclists had to be prosecuted criminally while car/motorcycle drivers weren't.
digitalboom@reddit
Sure, make the entire thing free. Otherwise it’s 💩 to ask people who replaced their transit from trains and cars to bikes to now pay for the luxury of being more eco friendly. This is not going to be a thing because the governor is in the middle of her campaign and the mayor would look like a hypocrite who promised to take care of people with lesser means.
Nebulon-B_FrigateFTW@reddit (OP)
And of course, the law text specifically says there must be a fee...
whatevenseriously@reddit
I wonder if this would affect powered wheelchairs and other disability aids.
Nebulon-B_FrigateFTW@reddit (OP)
No, article was mistaken about it affecting other electric vehicles.
Stoked_Otter@reddit
"Ebike violence report" lmao
and yes that first name is appropriate
urlond@reddit
Why does the pictures used for the article look fake as fuck? Not to mention Karen Pedestrian LOL