New Ford Mustang GTD Competition Clocks Record Time at Nürburgring

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FoMoCoNutjob@reddit

Ford just publicly humiliated Porsche by dropping their lap time on the exact same day Manthey released the Porsche 911 GT3 RS time. And to make it worse, Ford was comfortably quicker.

It really doesn’t get more embarrassing than that for Porsche.

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You have to take into consideration that the mustang gtd competition was using racing slicks which aren't street legal and tires can contribute massively to laptimes. The Porsche and many other cars that the Mustang fan boys are trying to diss all uses street legal tires.

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KeyInsurance8826@reddit

Ford humiliated themselves by running the lap on slicks and behaving like it's a road legal world record xd

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dacoalest@reddit

Cry to you fanny pack

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Shomegrown@reddit

Uh no. GT3 RS isn't designed to be the top of the food chain, in fact it really makes you wonder why cars with double the horsepower can't or barely can beat it.

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randeus@reddit

I mean, it certainly helps that Porsche literally lives on the ring.

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caterham09@reddit

There's a reason that the gt3rs is nearly the same time as the new zr1 around the ring and yet is appreciably slower around any other course.

Also worth mentioning Porsche being on the track 24/7 means they can wait for the exact optimal conditions for the lap. Other teams don't have that luxury

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flapsmcgee@reddit

Also GM didn't use pro drivers.

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dacoalest@reddit

Bullshit he is a professional driver. Stop the Fake news and he had 400 more horsepower and AWD.

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Shomegrown@reddit

Sure, but I'm also glad that GM, Ford, and Porsche offer 3 radically different answers to the question - and all perform incredibly well while being so different.

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MoneyPitAuto@reddit

*eyes non-Manthey 3RS and non-Competition GTD in my garage*

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FreeTheMarket@reddit

I think the GTD is so freaking cool. I also love the 3RS. What’s more fun to drive on the street and the track?

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MoneyPitAuto@reddit

GTD is the better street car and it's not even close.

They're both a joy on track - not to sound too cliche but they just have very different personalities. The GTD is fun, silly, and forgiving whereas the 3RS just feels super sharp and precise. Both are better cars than I am a driver and stupidly easy to go fast in.

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randeus@reddit

Funny that somebody downvotes one of the few people here who has seat time in both cars because of his opinion.

It seems like a lot of people who have driven both say something similar. Keyboards warriors here hate the GTD, but it seems like it’s universally loved by reviewers and everybody that has driven it.

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MoneyPitAuto@reddit

So it goes - I think we all obsess about competition because it's fun to see how far things are pushed, and seeing the big brands competing is great for all of us. When people view it as consumers/buyers winning and losing it's kind of lame. Cool cars are cool.

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FreeTheMarket@reddit

Thanks for the reply!

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FrozenUruguayBallbac@reddit

that is an insane garage lol

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Redeemed_Expert9694@reddit

Lol I doubt Porsche even acknowledges this car exists

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FoMoCoNutjob@reddit

I’d honestly put Porsche down as arrogant enough that you might actually be right. But it’s exactly that attitude that got them into a position where they’re no longer competitive. They haven’t been able to match Corvette since the Chevrolet Corvette C4 anyway and now they can’t even keep up with a damn Ford Mustang.

The only thing more embarrassing than Porsche are the people still willing to spend money on that crap.

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brownninja97@reddit

Let's calm down a bit everyone knows the gt2 rs is coming at some point in the next year or two. This isn't the first time Porsches had competition at the ring. Shame that road going 919 street car never happened would of loved to see a laptime from that or even the road going 963

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Derailed94@reddit

Don't take the obvious rage bait.

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Icy_Entrepreneur_476@reddit

Salty Porsche fan boys hard at work disliking your post I see

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FoMoCoNutjob@reddit

Can't stop us! I love to see America win.

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Sarniezz@reddit

I love to see America win.

Lol... Your life must be hard lately, so much "winning".

The whole world : 🤣🤡

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Shomegrown@reddit

*Canada

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MoneyPitAuto@reddit

I was at a test of the GTD vs 3RS vs ZR1. The GM guys were pretty sequestered but the Ford and Porsche engineers and mechanics were nerding out with each other the entire day. It was really cool to see.

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Sarniezz@reddit

Yeah that's cute. I'm sure Porsche really cares about Ford and their Mustang 🤣

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the-script-99@reddit

One has quite a lot more hp. GT2 RS should be in low 6:30 is my guess

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J50GT@reddit

So? It also has a lot more weight.

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Cygnus94@reddit

The more laptime you shave off, the harder and harder it gets to lose more. At this point, power on the straights is becoming redundant. To go significantly quicker you need downforce to spend less time off throttle in the high speed sections. It's not about vmax, it's about sustaining high speeds rather than shedding 40-50km/h every time you come to a corner.

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RoRoRotary@reddit

Correct. Though, the GT3 RS' seems to have no trouble sustaining an above-average, average speed; not that there isn't room for improvement. That car's weakness is lacking power, to help it accelerate faster, to reach the next corner sooner.

A theoretical GT2 RS, or even the suspected 992.2 GT3 RS (turbo), would help cover that weakness.

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Cygnus94@reddit

My point wasn't so much about the GT3 RS, but rather in general. We're getting to a point where road cars are hitting ridiculous speeds on the straight regardless.

The GT3 RS sustains around 285km/h on the uphill section at the end of the back straight while the original GTD was hitting 290km/h. It has so much more power yet only went 5km/h quicker.

To find significantly more lap time, cornering speed will be vastly more important. The GT3 RS isn't even close to maximising what is possible in this regard.

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ComprehensiveSir9379@reddit

Lmao it’s 600 pounds lighter

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RoRoRotary@reddit

That's true. My bad for thinking it was pointed towards the GT3 RS.

The GTD only being 5 km/h faster on that straight, despite having a power advantage, is a product of lacking aerodynamic efficiency. Otherwise, I recall the GTD (non-Competition) to be faster-accelerating than the GT3 RS.

I completely agree with needing proper aero to allow you to maintain a high speed. Thing is, cars need a balancing act of a having a [rather] powerful engine and good-enough aero, to allow themselves to have an even higher average speed.

On the Ring, a car can lose very little speed on corners, but it'll need some power, or insane aero efficiency, for the stretches. And the lower the laptime, the more of a balancing act you need.

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megacookie@reddit

But all else being equal, having a lot more power on a car that already has a literal ton of downforce and near race car levels of grip will dramatically improve the time on a track like the Nurburgring. Not only is there a massive straight, but there are many high speed sections a car like the GT3 RS is easily taking flat out, to the point where it's probably power limited rather than grip limited.

This is why despite all of Manthey's and Porsche's work in absolutely maximizing the grip they can get out of a 992 GT3 RS, they're still 2 seconds slower than what they achieved years ago with the 991 GT2 RS MR which has far less downforce and likely mechanical grip but an extra 180hp.

They still achieved an incredible time for something with "only" 525hp, but it's easy to see where it's losing time to more powerful cars too.

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DerHeckschleuderer@reddit

You don’t even need to compare it to the competition to see that what you’re saying holds true. Both the 997 and 991 GT2 RS have been quite a step faster in lap times than a GT3 RS, while being relatively similar apart from the engine.

All things being somewhat equal, more power helps.

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the-script-99@reddit

Doesn’t a GT3 RS with that massive MR wing loose a lot of time on the long straight plus the climb from Post office (could be the wrong name of the corner; where used to be the exit).

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Cygnus94@reddit

It has DRS, the wing can change position to reduce drag.

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bigev007@reddit

Meh, the Ford is on slicks of some sort, Manthey is on Pilot Sport Cup R 2 which aren't exactly slouches but are real streetable tires. 5 seconds with that is nothing

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bladex1234@reddit

That’s because Porsche real Nurburgring contender is the upcoming GT2 RS.

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-Suzuka-@reddit

But at the same time, the Porsche 911 GT3 RS actually exists in the wild, has parts available if it breaks, and techs trained to repair it.

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bakedvoltage@reddit

i’d be willing to bet the amount of techs qualified to work on a GT3RS is similar to the amount qualified to work on a GTD

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willpc14@reddit

I'd rather deal with a Porsche dealer maintaining a GT3RS than a Ford dealer maintaining a GTD based on the hassles I've had getting my hot hatch serviced at Toyota dealers.

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bakedvoltage@reddit

I don’t even bother with dealers anymore, they all suck across all the brands i’ve owned.

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ALaLaLa98@reddit

"Public humiliation" means it took a decade for someone to build a car that costs 100k more than a GT3 RS and didn't even beat Porsche's 10-year old record...until they made another special special edition car, that will probably also come with a special special pricetag.

Porsche won't be able to sleep at night.

We'll see a real record when the GT2 RS shows up again.

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srsbznz@reddit

This is the really insane part:

Ford Racing engineer Steve Thompson also piloted the GTD Competition to a time of 6:49.337 around the Nürburgring – faster than Müller’s original record. Thompson has modest driving experience at the "Green Hell," having cumulatively driven the Nürburgring fewer than 40 laps.

To put down a time like that having driven less than 100 laps at the ring is absolutely insane. I've had race instruction at the ring with one of the VLN teams that helps drivers get licenses for the n24 and the common thought was that it takes around 200 laps to really start to get comfortable.

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origami_airplane@reddit

I'm still waiting for all the Porsche drivers to sell theirs. Before long all we'll see an Nordschleife are Mustangs.

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argent_pixel@reddit

Not just Mustangs, but all of these super cool Mustang GT Diesels.

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baron643@reddit

+300hp but only 5 seconds quicker, on a track thats is 20kms long

Im not sure that is embarrassing for porka

more like embarrassing for ford lul

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Animanganime@reddit

One could also say that despite the 1200lbs advantage the GT3 RS is still 5 seconds slower.

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julientje@reddit

Is there a big price difference between the two?

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Secksualinnuendo@reddit

Probably not much of a price difference. A regular Mustang GTD is already $350k. I'm assuming the competition will be quite a bit more than that

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Redeemed_Expert9694@reddit

I'd hope now Austerity Motors would finally put an actual professional driver in the Corvette, but alas the beancounters in Detroit won't

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julientje@reddit

I can't imagine they are putting Joe from accounting in the driver's seat. I'm sure the driver has sufficient experience. Just maybe not on the ring itself as some of the veteran drivers.

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Redeemed_Expert9694@reddit

The German magazine Sport Auto had a race driver with basically zero Corvette experience lap the Z06 around the ring faster than GM's own drivers.

With the right driver, I'd imagine the Z06 could do a sub 7 minute and the ZR1 a sub 6:40

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whenthewindbreathes@reddit

That’s crazy - sport auto’s times are usually 30 seconds slower than factory times

GM’s lap must’ve really sucked!

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RevvCats@reddit

If you look up the guys and they’re all folks with racing experience. Big problem for Chevy is they don’t have any cars racing the 24 hour of Nurburgring which means no factory drivers racking up experience at the track in a car that vaguely resembles the street legal version.

Last year ford had 3 Mustang GT3s compete = 12 drivers including Muller who set this record.

This is the kinda number the GTD needed to put up the other years, now ford needs to take it to all the American tracks Chevy went around setting records at.

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Fantastic_Train_7270@reddit

Racing experience doesn't make them the fastest drivers in the world at the ring. It's like comparing a college basketball player ( lots of experience) to a NBA player... huge skill difference.

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LilBirdBrick@reddit

We aren't talking about some amateur racers, we are talking about highly rated professional GT racers like Dirk Muller is. No one is saying the engineers GM has been using are slow, but they won't be as quick as a guy like Dirk. There's a difference between having racing experience and actually being a professional race car driver.

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Fantastic_Train_7270@reddit

you and I are saying the same thing, GM engineers are no where close in skill levels to actualy top tier pro drivers at the ring.

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LilBirdBrick@reddit

They might not be racing there with the Corvette at the moment but they already have drivers with the experience. They have guys like Earl Bamber and Nicky Catsburg on the GM payroll that have won the 24 hours of Nurburgring before. Nicky is racing there in a Lamborghini this year.

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AnonymousEngineer_@reddit

Recognizing the exclusivity of this achievement, the GTD Competition will only be offered in the future as a special edition, street legal model available in strictly limited, serialized quantities.

So, they're releasing a limited edition run of a car that already had a limited production run. So is this extra limited?

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5tudent_Loans@reddit

Its just to meet homologation specials rules. This has been the case for every race car for quite a while

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Eagle_126@reddit

I swear to god if I see another person saying the GTD is a homologation car. The GT3 Mustang is homologated off the stock dark horse. The GTD is just for fun.

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RangeRoverHSE@reddit

The GT3 is so different to the stock Dark Horse though. Are the regulations really that lax?

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Eagle_126@reddit

Yes, the lexus GT3 even has pushrod front suspension (although they had to get a waiver for this). The GT3 rules are fairly open on what you can do.

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RangeRoverHSE@reddit

Ah interesting, thanks!

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Riverrattpei@reddit

They made 12 different special editions for the GT including a Competition Series and 2 different track only versions (the MK II and MK IV)

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FictionalContext@reddit

Taking a page out of Corvette's book.

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ThunderGod_Cid13@reddit

Same stupid shit as the GT series porsches.

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VitoXzX@reddit

Not saying that they’re easy to buy at a dealer, but they’re not limited production cars

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IAmTurdFerguson@reddit

Of course they're limited. If they weren't limited, then there wouldn't be mark-ups.

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AnonymousEngineer_@reddit

They're not limited in the same way, in that there's a predefined, known number of examples that will be produced and the cars are individually numbered.

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HonestOtterTravel@reddit

There is a predefined number they can build; it is just not publicly shared. Regulations and sub suppliers have limits.

Porsche likes making money and they would much rather be selling 230k+ GT3s than base Carreras.

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WIP1992@reddit

Well no not at all, they’re not sold on the basis of being limited production

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ThunderGod_Cid13@reddit

Right right right. They build as many as people ask for.

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WIP1992@reddit

Limited run cars have a set number of units when they’re announced, GT3 and GT3 RS models don’t it’s as simple as that. Restricted production would mean that every Ferrari, Rolls Royce or Bentley for example is a limited run as well.

You’re wrong :)

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ThunderGod_Cid13@reddit

Whether I'm dancing for a dealer to pay adm to get the opportunity to buy a gt3 or applying to get the chance to buy a GTD either way it's not just a simple walk in and order. They're both limited for the consumer.

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WIP1992@reddit

There is a difference, one has numbered units and one doesn’t.

Anyway you can’t admit you’re wrong and that’s ok, have a good day dude.

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PontiAztek@reddit

isn't the GT2 RS also only limited to 1000...and then they added the MR kit

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WIP1992@reddit

There have been limited versions of the GT series, S/T, Sport Classic etc but the brand is predominantly GT3/RS which are not limited run vehicles.

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PontiAztek@reddit

okay but im talking about the 2RS specifically

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ThunderGod_Cid13@reddit

And you'd rather focus on the definition rather than reality. It's the same thing for the user.

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_galaga_@reddit

I asked for one. Salesman said, "Put the briefcase of cocaine under the table and walk away. You may receive an email in six months indicating whether we have an allocation for you or not." My Rolex AD was in the area after playing tennis with my wife so he gave me a ride back home. Generous guy. He says in just two more years I may get a Daytona.

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thisisjustascreename@reddit

There is only one factory that builds 911s, the whole model range is limited to the number it can build.

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FinalAd9522@reddit

Next year it will be the even more Limited. The new LGBTQGTD 5.2 Unlimited limited. It will have the new flaming heyboyz 2.0 Trans in it, supposedly it has all the ponys & no limits. Blue oval boys gonna take out a 2nd mortgage just to get their hands on 1.😅

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sicilian504@reddit

Yo dawg, we heard you like limited editions....so we put a limited edition inside your limited edition!

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GymIsFun@reddit

the limit does not exist (except when it does)

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Funnyguy17@reddit

It’s derivative. It gets the people going^(rich people trying to feel something)

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ChonkyThicc@reddit (OP)

Limited Pro Max

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Shomegrown@reddit

Active.

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beermit@reddit

5G

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r3almaplesyrup@reddit

LTE

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drfsrich@reddit

Yes. The Limited Edition comes with gold colored badges like a '96 Camry though.

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GhostofSenna@reddit

“The limit does not exist!” - Cady Heron

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costafilh0@reddit

The limitation is a limited limit.

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i-wear-extra-medium@reddit

Xzibit has joined the chat: “yo dawg, I heard you like limited editions so we got you a limited edition that’s limited so you can limit your edition while limiting your edition”

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srsbznz@reddit

It's an older meme sir, but it checks out.

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whtciv2k@reddit

You damn right it’s limited, no cup holder, no back seat. It’s a shiny dick with 2 chairs in it. I guess we the balls jus dragging the fuck along

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Professional_Dot7128@reddit

As limited as the pictures of it, but not limited by the amount of links and clicks to get to them..

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GoodMorninJulia@reddit

Limitest

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dacoalest@reddit

God the corvette fanboys are pissed. 400 more horsepower and AWD and it still looks like a fake Ferrari

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dustygator@reddit

Nurburgring times are kind of a farce now that manufacturers are allowed to count pre-production/"OEM performance kit" cars. Its the automotive equivalent of teaching the test; in the same way that doesn't benefit the students, this doesn't benefit customers (except for empty bragging rights).

It was a joke when Porsche was allowed to add a Manthey tuning kit to the 991 GT2 RS and call it "OEM" so that it could take back the title from the AMG GT black series that leapfrogged the original GT2 RS time. It just as a big a joke now when Ford can test the GTD as originally designed then go back and slap on additional aero and "totally legal tires, no additional details" and call it the GTD Competition.

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PastPalpitationCry@reddit

Agreed. Feels like Porsche couldn't out enginner Merc so they had to bend the rules. Ford is doing to them what they have done.

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avboden@reddit

So with the engineer driver it only matched the ZR1X even after all the mods they did to the car. Really not the flex ford thinks this is. Sounds like the car was pretty heavily modified with what another $100k of stuff?

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HowsKiwiX@reddit

The engineer from Ford had about 40 laps at the Nurburgring over his lifetime the GM engineer that ran the ZR1X has about 600 laps at the Ring.

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iroll20s@reddit

They modified their racecar built by a boutique fab shop with more racecar stuff because it can't beat a street car that's coming off the normal corvette production line.

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TeriusRose@reddit

What exactly would make the GTD a race car? It has a completely normal Mustang interior, it's completely street legal, and most of its structure is the same as the base Mustang IIRC.

If this is just a prototype of a road going car being offered, then what would make this a race car either?

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iroll20s@reddit

If you think its a normal Mustang, you haven't been paying attention. It is extremely heavily modified by Multimatic. It is vaguely based on a production mustang. I could type out the laundry list of why, it its easier it you just go watch this- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADairjkcDzY

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TeriusRose@reddit

Yes, I know that it's heavily modified. I didn't say that it was a normal Mustang, only that it has a normal Mustang interior (okay, barring some F-22 bits and the missing back seats), it's road legal, and that the structure (the chassis) is mostly the same as the base Mustang.

In the very video you're linking, which I've seen before, they say the GTD uses the existing body in white of the base Mustang. That's what the "elephant in the room" segment is about. The body panels are absolutely very different, but while they do make some changes to it as best I can tell the chassis is largely the same.

To me, a "race car" would imply it's been stripped out, isn't road legal, or at the very least is being used as-is in a series somewhere.

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Legitimate_Ad4794@reddit

When people make these titles, do they understand what the word record means? Finishing second isn’t a record.

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Motohvayshun@reddit

What’s interesting here is the ~ 10 second difference between the factory engineer and and the racing driver.

When the ZR1 / X ran its time with factory drivers, Misha analyzed the lap and said that there was an easy 10 seconds left on the table.

I believe what Jim Mero speculated. He was the best GM engineer who could wheel at the ring. Jim made the C7 Z06 run a 7:10 over a decade ago with ancient tire tech. Faster than the C8 Z06 time gotten by current engineers. He was incredibly fast. He did a podcast where estimated the ZR1X should dip into the 6:20s after looking through the data.

GM has to get a professional driver in that car stat. And even better, you can copy what Ford did and add an upgrade package.

I happy Ford put this out, I love American cars winning.

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AskListenSee@reddit

Lmao 6:20’s, common bro. Just be happy that we have car companies competing and pushing to the limits. No need to hit the crack pipe so early in the morning

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Motohvayshun@reddit

Literally listen to the podcast. Mero went over the process in great detail, even the stuff like tire cycling and his frustration with GMs non interest in the ring. Even if the car can’t break into the 6:20.s it could get damned close with the right driver and right conditions.

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sn3hit@reddit

What's the name of the podcast? I wanna listen to what he said

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AskListenSee@reddit

I have no doubt the car can set a lower time than it did, but 6:20 is just unrealistic and just because 1 person happened to spew about it doesn’t make it true. The ZR1X has a ton of power and is a great chassis but it lacks in the aero department to come close to that time. What a car might theoretically do and what a driver can achieve, and safely at that are two different things. Remember someone behind the wheel has to feel comfortable enough to actually push it that far.

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masterventris@reddit

Remember when people say "dip into the 6:20s" they mean "6:29.999"

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bakedvoltage@reddit

meet potential car! it’s potentially 9 seconds faster than the AMG One

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jca_ftw@reddit

Mero out there selling the Kool Aid and Redditors drinking it by the gallon...

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Smooth-Ad-1281@reddit

Am I the only one who thinks that this car was doped to the max like the civic which was boosting way to high?

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_Cabesi_@reddit

I don't know who needs to hear this - everyone apparently - but the Mustang ran on slicks.

In other words, this time (which they keep calling a "record", despite it not beating any records) is not comparable to other street legal cars, like the Corvettes or the 911s. This is just Ford being incredibly dishonest and deceitful and trying to make this non-street legal time seem comparable to those cars that actually are street legal.

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AAuser85@reddit

DOT-legal slicks

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_Cabesi_@reddit

No. Michelin slicks.

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iroll20s@reddit

Its a dot R, 40 treadwear tire. Something like a Hoosier A7/R7. You can see that detail in some of the frame grabs. I'd guess based on the pilot sport GT slick. Its not a 100% match to any of their current offerings.

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_Cabesi_@reddit

Nurburgring themselves - in contrast to the previous two Mustang GTD times which do fall within road legal production car guidelines - have classified this lap time as non-legal. So whatever magical slick tire they might have come up with (if it's even true that this is something other than a racing slick), it hasn't convinced the people officiating the lap.

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randeus@reddit

Pretty sure that’s because it’s pre-production.

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leTrull@reddit

They're not homologated for the european market.

from gm: "All three set lap times for the Prototype/Pre-Production category, since the ZR1 and ZR1X are not sold in Europe and the Z06 was a North American variant."

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AAuser85@reddit

I believe the ZR1X time was also not classed as a street legal time. Like this "special" GTD it was pre-production at the time.

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leTrull@reddit

ZR1 / ZR1X are not homologated for the european market, so they can't run under the production car category.

The Z06 does have an european version, but they used the US version (more power).

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iroll20s@reddit

That tracks with a dot R. They typically have 'not for street use' printed right on them and German TUV requirements are pretty tough.

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CapInternational2413@reddit

so not something theyd sell at the dealership lmao?

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iroll20s@reddit

Maybe an optional package? They are dot tires, but a lot of states have laws that prevent tires marked “for racing use only” on the street. Typically they are molded with 3/32 tread in the minimum that qualifies legally

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AAuser85@reddit

Sure. I didn't specify a brand.

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Pliskin_Hayter@reddit

So Multimatic yet again, built Ford a borderline race car.

Yawn.

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taticalgoose@reddit

So if I have the positioning of this car right, the GTD is the higher performance version of the base version and of the Dark Horse and of the Dark Horse SC but add the performance pack to the GTD then the GTD competition is a higher performance version of all that?

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tablepennywad@reddit

Until the Rock gets one…

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Darth_Firebolt@reddit

Yes. It's also on full slicks.

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graybrick@reddit

Does it even matter anymore?

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Trollygag@reddit

Interesting thst after the ZR1 and ZR1X slapped the GTD down despite not being limited run cars and at a little over half the price, they didn't manage to re run the GTD for a faster lap- they had to go back to the drawing board to make a new model.

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randeus@reddit

The ZR1 slaps every car down, including million dollar hypercars. Can’t people just be happy cars like the GTD exist when it really doesn’t have to other than the love of the game? Ford absolutely didn’t need to have this thing made and it’s an awesome car despite its flaws.

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HonestOtterTravel@reddit

The ZR1/ZR1X left a lot on the table. Spending all the money/time to go back just to leap frog them by a second or two wouldn’t be worth it.

6:40 raised the bar to a point that I think GM will have to bring upgrades for their response.

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avboden@reddit

6:40 raised the bar to a point that I think GM will have to bring upgrades for their response.

The ZR1X with a pro-driver would already come super close as it sits from the factory. If they did any sort of modding at all it would trounce this new GTD without question.

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Storm_Chaser06@reddit

Ford have to work on reducing the weight of that thing. The GT2RS will come and crush the Mustang with a 6:35 or even faster. The GT3RS already weighs under 1500kg compared to the GTD’s 1950kg.

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RoRoRotary@reddit

I think it's important to not conflate the record of the GTD Competition with production cars, until we know:

A) What tires were used for the run?

B) Is this even street-legal, or effectively a production car?

It's a pre-production unit. But, Ford saying that there will be a street-legal version, either means that this car will be street-legal, or that there will be a street-legal version of this car that made a record.

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AAuser85@reddit

Nothing they've said about the changes indicate it's not street legal. My assumption is the tires are DOT-legal slicks, something like a custom Hoosier R8.

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RoRoRotary@reddit

I just find it odd that Ford, presumably, informed the journalists that they used stickier tires, but didn't specify exactly which tires they used.

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bigev007@reddit

Ford refused to tell journalists, they only said DOT Legal

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iroll20s@reddit

Probably because it is an unannounced tire.

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AAuser85@reddit

They also didn't say how much more power, weight savings, and downforce. I think they're saving that info for future press releases.

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RoRoRotary@reddit

Oh yeah, that's true. It's possible they haven't dailed in the final numbers for a production unit, whether or not it's street-legal.

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masterventris@reddit

Imagine if to get a street legal record you had to be street legal in Germany and pass TUV!

Good luck running your slicks and mad aero then!

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leTrull@reddit

https://www.fromtheroad.ford.com/content/dam/fordmediasite/us/en/library/2026/new-ford-mustang-gtd-competition-clocks-record-time-at-n%C3%BCrburgring/Mustang_GTD_Competition_05.jpg

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Noobasdfjkl@reddit

Worn Cup 2Rs look like that. We aren’t able to see the inner half of the tire tread, where the 2 grooves would be. I can’t make any definitive statements about what tire it is, but I think it’s a mistake to go out and claim it’s a slick or DOT-R something like that.

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iroll20s@reddit

It looks like they photo shopped the tires. However the rear tire you can see what looks like the checkered flag at the top of the arch. Probably Michelin tires. Though a bunch of their line of slicks have that flag on the sidewall, not just the cup 2.

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leTrull@reddit

I posted this a few hours ago but i got removed by automod (banned image host)

here's 2 pics i took from the now deleted statesidesupercars video.

some kind of michelin, perhaps custom. not sure if they used the same tires for the lap.

https://i.postimg.cc/VwVrLmNc/snapshot2.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/knM6D58K/snapshot.jpg

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iroll20s@reddit

FWIW there is a ford video out now with clearly different tires that might be regular cup 2s. https://youtu.be/riE_J4eM5v0?si=14jnT5T8Rh6VVB0g&t=5

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iroll20s@reddit

Well you can see 'pilot sport cup' on those frame grabs. I'm guessing a custom tire based on the pilot sport GT. They do that all the time for manufacturers. The sidewall marking looks like treadwear 40 (or at least double digit) size 32x/XXX.

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RoRoRotary@reddit

Is this supposed to answer something?

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leTrull@reddit

Well, no, because only ford can give answers to A and B. But I tried to start some discussion around the tires. Since they don't look like the typical CUP2R or Trofeo RS that are commonly used for lap record attempts. So they're either some unknown, new type of street-legal tires or just slicks.

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RoRoRotary@reddit

I just edited my own comment, after I saw you edited yours lol.

If the articles we have so far can't answer what tires were used, Ford might've declined to specify. It's weird how we're told that these are stickier tires, so the journalists know they're different. They just can't tell us any specifics, for whatever reason.

Until Ford says otherwise, I don't think these are tires that production cars have used for their records. If they were, then wouldn't that have been mentioned in the articles?

Hell, the fastest production-version GTD used Cup 2 R's, and the ones on this Competition GTD are supposedly better. Is there any way these are legal tires for production car runs?

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asimo3089@reddit

I haaaate comments like yours on these nurburgring posts because the news always comes out that it was a street legal car with safety equipment for engineer/driver safety and tires you or I can buy. And when that happens, you are either nowhere to be found or trying to argue against safety equipment.

This is a mad impressive time. Respect it.

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argent_pixel@reddit

Car and Driver's article claims this is a pre-production car.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a71044472/ford-mustang-gtd-competition-nurburgring-lap-record/

Not only did the pre-production Competition beat the GTD's previous time by over 11 seconds, but it also beat the Chevy Corvette ZR1X's time by eight-plus ticks.

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Nick_Alsa@reddit

This is interesting contrast from Hagerty's lap battle at Sonoma https://youtu.be/yEKjBxlBQk4

The GTD was slower than standard GT3 RS around Sonoma.

I guess the performance of these two cars are very track dependant.

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iroll20s@reddit

The Nurgburgring rewards a lot of HP. Sonoma is a much more typical track.

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YalamMagic@reddit

Slicks vs semi-slicks

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randeus@reddit

People are weird. The GTD was disappointing and people demanded the engineers make it better. They did so, including apparently cutting weight, but those same people still find a way to bitch about it. It’s a cool car that never needed to exist and was done for the love of the game, regardless of price or exclusivity. People around here really just hate cars.

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TremorintheForce@reddit

Ford has lost the plot with the gtd

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devildog25@reddit

I guess Max Verstappen was right when he said the GTD could shave 10 seconds off its time

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Cygnus94@reddit

In fairness he said that about the original 6:57, which they did go and beat by 5 seconds already. It's previous best before today was a 6:52

As others have pointed out, the car used today was even further modified compared to the original run.

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