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Sharp_Complaint9723@reddit

No way someone walked around with that haircut in real life.. let alone make it general in the byzantine army

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Bottles4u@reddit

You should see the Edgar haircut that Hispanic guys have in the U.S. and Mexico! Almost exactly like this

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Martha_Fockers@reddit

A lot of it is just the artist who did it style aswell

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User20242024@reddit

No. Ancient Greeks who conquered Greece from native Pelasgians were also blond Indo-Europeans from the north. Greeks, Slavs, Illyrians, Thracians, Dacians, they all were of same origin.

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Oxcuridaz@reddit

Ancient Greece phenotypes were mostly sub-saharan /s

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euroturkishh@reddit

So that explains Herodotus's texts about Ethiopia

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liberalskateboardist@reddit

yes but in general, southern europeans and middle easterners looks very similar- black hair and black beards hehe

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There’s no such thing as southern europeans and middle easterners as clean, separate categories. Those boundaries mostly exist in your head. The regions have been mixing, trading, migrating, and influencing each other for thousands of years. Trying to draw a hard line between them is more about modern labels than reality.

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Few_Dot6881@reddit

They absolutely are separate categories... Don't parade around like you're an authority on genetics when it's evident you know very little about the subject.

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Radiant_Put_3609@reddit

“absolutely separate categories” yeah, because history totally respected your neat little boxes, right, lol?

Thousands of years of mixing, migration, and empires, and you still think humans come in clean presets. That’s not genetics, that’s just you being confidently clueless, smartass.

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liberalskateboardist@reddit

Haha yes we are all are the same cosmopolitans and yes everything is an social and artificial construct and yes anarchists were right so national identity is useless. We are wooooorl, we are the childreeeeen

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Few_Dot6881@reddit

Look up the genetic profile of a Turk, then look up the genetic profile of an Italian.

Turk average (Ankara):

Anatolian Neolithic Farmer: 41.8%

Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer: 22.4%

Zagros Neolithic Farmer: 14.0%

European Hunter-Gatherer: 8.4%

East Siberian Hunter-Gatherer: 4.6%

Yellow River Neolithic Farmer: 3.6%

Mongolia Hunter-Gatherer: 3.4%

Natufian Hunter-Gatherer: 1.4%

South American Hunter-Gatherer: 0.4%

Italian average (Rome/Lazio):

Anatolian Neolithic Farmer: 62.8%

European Hunter-Gatherer: 16.0%

Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer: 13.6%

Zagros Neolithic Farmer: 7.6%

Source: Illustrative DNA database

Turks have an average of 10 ancient genetic components.

Europeans have an average of 3 ancient genetic components.

4 in some places in southern Europe.

You're the clueless one. Turks are not "basically Europeans", no matter how much you wish that were the case.

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Radiant_Put_3609@reddit

bro 10 components so it’s a completely separate category is not the argument you think it is. you literally listed the same sources anatolian neolithic farmer, caucasus hunter gatherer, zagros neolithic farmer, then acted like different ratios magically create hard borders, trolololo. that’s not population genetics, that’s just misreading clustering models and forcing them into neat boxes ffs. humans are gradients, not presets. you are trying to prove separate categories with evidence that literally shows shared ancestry and overlap. your own data disproves you, you just don’t realize it, lol.

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Few_Dot6881@reddit

Sure bro, then Swedes and Syrians don't exist and they're basically the same thing, look:

Syrian:

Anatolian Neolithic Farmer :36.2%

Zagros Neolithic Farmer :28.0%

Natufian Hunter-Gatherer :22.4%

Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer :9.0%

European Hunter-Gatherer :1.6%

Sub-Saharan African :1.2%

East African Savanna Pastoralist :0.8%

North African Hunter-Gatherer :0.6%

East Siberian Hunter-Gatherer :0.2%

Swede:

European Hunter-Gatherer :47.6%

Anatolian Neolithic Farmer :30.6%

Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer :21.8%

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See? The same names occur that means they're actually just social constructs and are basically the same category. Just stop embarrassing yourself and educate yourself on genetics.

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hgaben90@reddit

What's a black beard hehe?

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notnotnotnotgolifa@reddit

This genotype obsession on reddit needs to stop

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Oxcuridaz@reddit

Reddit is a US site and well, americans...

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Big-Vegetable4550@reddit

Hey! I resemble that remark! 😉

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Observe_Report_@reddit

Me too! I feel like they’re making a skeptical out of this.

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complexluminary@reddit

THIS

I have actually said this like, quarterly, but we ALLL REMEMBER the dinaric head shape guy of 2021-2023? Let’s never forget that whacko. He had like a slideshow and everything.

This obsession is stupid.

People can look like all kinds of people, bre

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trisul-108@reddit

Absolutely. It's toxic and irrelevant.

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Samivoli@reddit

Is it common in balkan? I know its mostly american thing, but in central europe, nobody gaf (apart from some hungarians larping as mongols).

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bananalabamab@reddit

No shit. It is modern day scientific racism.

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Ok_________oi@reddit

Someone’s definitely trying to fire up a race war, I wonder who..

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Fearless-Salad-6298@reddit

Bibi?

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retardong@reddit

Bro my ancestors had the SHITPISS-M 69 haplogroup thaerefore I am superior because you have CUMDICK-BS 420 haplogroup.

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Active_Drawing_1821@reddit

The worst people!😂

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Separate-Date-6518@reddit

Best comment award 👏

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Mission_Comedian5585@reddit

But but but... See my ancestors were better than yours, so im better than you, how hard is it to get? Yeah, it reeks of fucking nazism and their idea of freaking blood purity. Disgusting.

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spallettioutista@reddit

Ahahah i am just like this guy phenotipically

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euroturkishh@reddit

I'm half Turkish and my DNA test said 30% southern italian. Turns out southern italians, Greek Islanders, and western anatolian turks share dna from the same base population so the dna companies have a hard time separating. Of course we look the same!!!!

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UnhappyAddition7281@reddit

Idem😂

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spallettioutista@reddit

On my life i was a lot of times called "the cousin of Gianluca Iacono" (vegeta's italian voice)

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Winter-Speech978@reddit

He needs hazel eyes

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Cringsix@reddit

Yoo that guy on the left mewin

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Round_Difference_470@reddit

We should remember it's a style of picture, it doesn't necessarily a realistic portrait. Realism came way after

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BardhyliX@reddit

If you look at the paintings of some aristocrats who were alive to see the camera and also simultaneously had paintings of them done, it's very funny to see the difference.

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Round_Difference_470@reddit

Yes, indeed. I'd also add that this particular byzantine style is not a realistic style, but rather anon-naturalistic symbolical one.

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BardhyliX@reddit

I'm actually curious about the actual origin of these paintings? Were they done out of memory or did the person sit down to let the painter work on it - because aren't these found in walls and churches in the Balkans? I doubt they were in a remote place just to let a painter do his work.

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Round_Difference_470@reddit

No, they didn't have the person sit down. Mostly because these are murals, so they just glue stones to a wall, but also because the objective wasn't realism, it was to follow a certain "way" or "style" of the church.

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Hodorization@reddit

Obviously the artists would know how to portray people, that's how they practice their style. But yeah for churches at that time, what the patron expected was that the images should transcend the here and now, and show idealized, "eternal" ideas of people in certain roles. If the image looked like someone they knew, then it would not be right

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Round_Difference_470@reddit

Agreed

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SE_prof@reddit

No it's not!!! Don't you see Belisarius on the right?? That's a photograph!

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Round_Difference_470@reddit

:)))

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Free-Celebration4562@reddit

It’s also a mosaic. It’s not even a realistic painting. How much resemblance can you make out of a mosaic?

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Shaolinpower2@reddit

It is realistic tho. I've seen this guy 5 mins ago lol

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Free-Celebration4562@reddit

I didn’t know he moved to Turkey! He used to be my local priest 🤣

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Shaolinpower2@reddit

Well, he needs to work in 2 jobs for paying his rent :( he's a priest during the day, and an imam during the night

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TwoFistsOneVi@reddit

Wait, you mean to tell me that Jesus is not an ultra buffed Korean guy nailed to a block of marble with a planet above his head?

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Arge_Deianira@reddit

Nope

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Sad_Philosopher_3163@reddit

The twitter guy who posted this "Pre-Slavic Balkan phenotypes were mostly Anatolian phenotypes" is Turkish and he is ashamed that he is a Turk, so he larps about Mediterranean and Romans. Cringe.

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El_chaplo@reddit

Turkish people really split on their identity. One day they are Turanist, the other day they are Hittites or blond and blue eyed north europeans.

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Silly_lil_Guy_o3o@reddit

It's weirdly common that this happens with a lot of mixed groups. Mexicans for example, will either claim to be descendants of Mayans or conquistadors and usually it's the heavily Spanish looking ones that claim native or vice versa

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Top-Tomorrow-8336@reddit

That's it.

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Defiant-Strength2010@reddit

Nah, having been to Turkey I find Turks that deny their Roman and Byzantine heritage to be much more cringe.

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Specific-Taste7469@reddit

Some people are basically circlejerking or stuck in their own perspective on this, and it’s not a small number either 😭

Most Turks would probably agree we’re mainly Anatolian in heritage (shaped over time by civilizations like the Hittites, Romans, Byzantines, and obviously the Ottomans) with some Central Asian ancestry mixed in. But framing it as “you’re just Muslim Greeks” is you know... cringe as well.

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Defiant-Strength2010@reddit

what if I say you are just less gay muslim greeks?

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Sad_Philosopher_3163@reddit

LARPers are cringe either way.

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Defiant-Strength2010@reddit

everyone is cringe, especially you

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Sad_Philosopher_3163@reddit

If you need to go centuries back into history to use that as your main source of identity because of your inferiority complex, despite not sharing a language, religion, or culture to the point that the very people you are trying to cosplay would consider you as a stranger that you could not even communicate with, then I'm sorry my friend, but in my opinion that is cringe as hell, and you need to develop your personality.

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Defiant-Strength2010@reddit

I don't understand what you mean by cosplaying, all languages and the rest of the culture changed so much we would all be strangers to our ancestors of several hundreds of years ago. If the guy lives in the same area as his ancestors then at what point it becomes cosplaying?

People of Ireland are struggling to revive their Gaelic language, that was only spoken by around 17k people over 100 years ago, is that cosplaying?

The only clear example that I would call "cosplaying" is Israeli settlers who revived/invented the Hebrew language that had 0 speakers for over a thousand years, and changed their names to sound more Middle Eastern. A guy from Turkey liking Rome makes more sense than a guy from Italy liking Rome, the history of Rome in Turkey is much more recent. I doubt he changed his name to Marcus and started speaking Latin, so why would you call that cosplaying?

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SOHONEYSAME@reddit

yeah,

Turkic speaking Muslims "have more in common" w/ Romans compared to Latin Italians.

okay, bro.

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CalendarCold232@reddit

Most Turks are ethnically indistinguishable from Greeks and southern Italians tho

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Icy_Mousse4000@reddit

hmm so you just saw a couple of “my dna test results as a turk” videos while scrolling instagram reels and you really think most turks are genetically greek ? i thought we were all just joking around and no one genuinely believes this bullsht 🤦🏻‍♀️

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CalendarCold232@reddit

Nope, it's about PCA charts, it's a quite solidified fact that you guys aren't Turkic in the slightest, and neither are Azeris for that matter, there's some turkic Y-DNA in the central plateaus but even then Y-DNA is very small and only carried by men, it barely affects phenotype.

I mean you cannot seriously believe the average person from Ankara looks anything like the average central asian, do you?

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Liang_Kresimir11@reddit

This was posted from a berlin apartment

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venesia123@reddit

Portrayed with brown hair and beard > proceeds to show AI slop with black hair and beard

The whole "phenotype" shit is boring and idiotic...Balkans is an area on the crossroads of civilisations - numerous tribes and people arrived and left, leaving their genetic traits...

Balkan people literally come in all shades of hair and skin colour, completely normal and no one cares...

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Imaginary_String_814@reddit

Somebody must be very insecure to care about hair color.

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PayAdministrative436@reddit

Average turk and greek

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El_chaplo@reddit

What? Greeks? Never heard a greek claim that. It's more the other way around. It's other people telling us the we are not real greeks because we look mediterranean and ancient greeks looked like north europeans.

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Free-Celebration4562@reddit

As a naturally blonde Greek, I can say for sure that you can’t win either way. I’m constantly being told I don’t look Greek enough.

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El_chaplo@reddit

Exactly. I get that too. Last year I was on vacation in Italy and a elderly Italian lady asked where I was from and I told her Greece, then she said aren't you are bit too dark to be greek. Lmao

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Free-Celebration4562@reddit

Idk what these people think being Greek looks like 🤣 what do they want from us?

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SatisfactionSpecial2@reddit

You have to be naked, and full white, like a bleached marble statue!

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Free-Celebration4562@reddit

I’m pale by nature and after 9 years in the UK I can safely say I’m white as marble by now. I fit the criteria 🤣

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SatisfactionSpecial2@reddit

YO MY MAN DID THEY KIDNAP YOU??? Be careful maybe they will put you in Louvre 🤣

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Free-Celebration4562@reddit

Bruh, for real, so many Greek things in the British museum, I might as well go myself too to avoid rent.

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ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit

He meant the Look and honestly I have noticed that too,there is a Greek guy with the username Aegean_ sunset (smth like that)that is obsessed with skin colour and he is all over the genetic subs claiming “Greeks are whiter than Poles” or “Portuguese are whiter than Swedes “ and posts some stupid studies that “support” his claim.

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LaVeriteEstDansLeVin@reddit

Nah, I'm glad I'm not a blonde femboy

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No-Pickle-779@reddit

🤣🤣

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Palagrin@reddit

unfortunately : (

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Legal_Apartment5789@reddit

Balkan was basically anatolian greek and illyrian

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Fearless-Salad-6298@reddit

No.

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Legal_Apartment5789@reddit

Yes

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Fearless-Salad-6298@reddit

Greece was not formed at that time.

The ancient world was a continuum of Thracia, thus Anatolian === Greek === Persian === Afghan.

Claiming the pre-Slavic Balkans was anyhow Anatolian completely erases the Thracians, who were historically one of the largest ethnic groups in Europe.

Herodotus (the "Father of History") literally said that the Thracians were the most numerous people in the world after the Indians. You know what they formed?

The Odrysian Kingdom

By the time of this mosaic (6th century), the region was a mix of populations.

In fact, the general in that mosaic, Belisarius, was born in the heart of the Balkans (modern Bulgaria), not Anatolia.

I get the Russians not willing to claim that to Bulgaria and would rather eradicate an entire nation by inviting the term 'slavs', but it's the first nation on this continent, sorry fellow Balkan neighbors, truth has got to be told, Oki komşu?

P. S. Check a few Thracian tribes:

A. The Phrygians: Ancient historians, including Herodotus, recorded that the Phrygians (famous for King Midas and their Anatolian kingdom) actually originated in the Balkans as a Thracian tribe called the Bryges before crossing over into Asia Minor.

B. The Bithynians: This was a literal Thracian tribe that crossed the Bosporus straight out of the Balkans and settled in northwestern Anatolia. The entire region of Bithynia was named after them, didn't you have a metro stop called like that in Istanbul?

P. S. 2 I'm sick of people being able to go online, despite being brainwashed by their dictator and yet never managing to educate themselves properly

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Legal_Apartment5789@reddit

Sure but illyrians exited and greeks even in that time i didnt say anything else

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35BCx1405AD@reddit

20 years ago these motherfuckers were calling me legit Chechen.

Now with official unbiased DNA test and foreign academics analyzing unexplored cultures like Illyrian

All of a sudden everybody’s Illyrian.

Paragraph after fucking paragraph, like this guy.

Little do they know that the best of Illyrian genetics has produced Marvel’s like Edi Rama……….

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never_nick@reddit

Byzantine icons are stylized that ai output basically just made something widely inaccurate

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yakoumis@reddit

Why does it even matter?

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Franz_Ferdinand02@reddit

But but take a dna test im from COCKSUCKER-B69 haplogroup im superior come over i will measure your skull lets see about your ancestry

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Kooky_Body_9168@reddit

Pre-slavic age doesn't exist in Balkans

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Shone_Shvaboslovac@reddit

You mean Late Neolithic Farmer?

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kexibis@reddit

Might be true, most people in N Macedonia are Anatolian dominant

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Whole_Obligation_776@reddit

Or... or... hear me out: Stupid AI bullshits have to rely on whatever data they got fed with.

This is why when these morons get asked to depict something like the siege of Constantinople, they usually depict a Hagia Sophia with minarets.

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Lorumba@reddit

The image ai creates is an amaglamation of millions of different human photographs that fits the shape.

The man in the foto has chinese, bulgarian, aborgenese, equadorian, american, british, arabic faces init.

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trupawlak@reddit

Just like with Turkey, it is amazing when it turns out that centuries long empire affected demographics of it's territory... Ah OP is Turkish.... you guys are all Greckoroman with a hint of Turk. That is the Anatolian.

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Lorumba@reddit

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SolutionTime5811@reddit

Well, this is how the spreading was done. From Anatolian planes...like 10.000 years ago. Now what you try to say? That balkans are turkish or otoman?

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RedScarySpectre@reddit

Why would they be blonde? You are in the south close to the middle east

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Neat_Book8204@reddit

There are lots of blondes in Balkans

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LibertyChecked28@reddit

"True Turks" are supposed to be blonde blue eyed Aryans just like the Painter promised!

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stikaznorsk@reddit

Nobody is as they are supposed to be. Through the Balkans passed so many nations, including 2 crusades. The people of the Balkans are more genetically diverse than any part of Europe.

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RedScarySpectre@reddit

Just like Jesus. Born in the middle east but white af.

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stikaznorsk@reddit

We are Portuguese, brother. :)

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enigbert@reddit

because Goths migrated in the Balkans before the Slavs?

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Barbak86@reddit

Balkans was quite empty because of unrest and the pestilence, but not completely empty when the goths passed through (they didn't really settle) and when the Slavs came.

Even the most Slavic among the Slavs have 60% Slavic heritage, whatever that means. The rest falls as low 20-30%

In the end of the day the way, how we look now is not that different how "we" looked back then. Even prior to the fall of Rome there have been people moving around, Rome was a multiethnic empire and this region never had "one face"

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JucheMystic@reddit

Nobody falls to 20-30%. All slavic countries in the Balkans range from 40-65+% Slavic

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Barbak86@reddit

There are many, many Macedonians who score 30% Slavic and are genetically nearer to Greeks and Albanians than to other Balkan Slav people

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JucheMystic@reddit

I meant overall.

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Fearless-Salad-6298@reddit

Noting that greeks are quite a mix of descendants, and not even mentioning Bulgaria here.

We're all mixed up

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Shaolinpower2@reddit

2 milleniums ago tho. They could have go lighter in the north in this 2 milleniums. We don't really know how they were looking like while they were here.

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vasjpan002@reddit

Alpine Dorian Greeks were 1/3 blond. Also Carpathian Celts invaded 2c BC.

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EquivalentSpirit664@reddit

Roman empire was mostly populated with latin, greek, anatolian, levantine so it's nothing to be surprised of at that time when Belisarius lived.

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Fearless-Salad-6298@reddit

Greeks did not exist back then, lookup the tribes in the Roman empire and you'll understand why

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EquivalentSpirit664@reddit

thanks, i am archeologist and Greek did exist.

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Fearless-Salad-6298@reddit

Congrats! So you're Thracian, right

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HILLCLAIMER@reddit

I mean no one thinks Belisarius was an ethnic greek anyways. Iirc he was from what is now northeastern Turkey-Caucasus

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ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit

Most authors say he was Illyro-Thracian but who knows ,some Greeks claim also Constantine and Justinian

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sazma_2208@reddit

his name is celtic btw

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ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit

Who?Belisarius?

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sazma_2208@reddit

yeah

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ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit

Who said that?

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sazma_2208@reddit

I was mistaken the etymology of the word is proto-germanic but probably arrived in latin through gothic

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Belisarius

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ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit

Where does it say Gothic??it says Latin and ancient Greek and refers to Belisarius

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sazma_2208@reddit

Etymology

Probably from Gothic, from Proto-Germanic *bilją (“axe”) + *harjaz (“army”)

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ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit

Where??

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sazma_2208@reddit

scroll down...

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ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit

I see nothing

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sazma_2208@reddit

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ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit

I see ,it can be who knows

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CandidDebate6827@reddit

Justinian literally spoke Greek with an accent. This is a historic fact. Greeks can f off

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Consistent-Sun-354@reddit

Justinian was a native Latin speaker indeed of Romano-Thracian background. His uncle “Justin the Thracian” likely still spoke a Daco-thracian dialect(possibly a precursor to the Albanian language since he was from Niš as well, where Proto-Albanian dominated before Slavs).

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CandidDebate6827@reddit

Can't be sure about the Daco-Thracian. Justin I was either Illyro-Roman or Thraco-Roman. Can't be sure about that, because we have no records of the Dardanian language. And whether in these regions any paleobalkanic language was spoken at all after all these centuries of Roman dominance is to be doubted as well. I would argue that the only remnants of a not fully romanized paleobalkanic at those times (450-600) were most likely in the mountainous regions of today's north Albania -> later becoming Albanian. One serious theory

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Consistent-Sun-354@reddit

They were all Romano-Thracian. They and their family literally described their family roots as Daco-Thracian only. Illyria was extended region that at the time denoted the whole peninsula while still being its own region west of Serbia.

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ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit

Why not Illyro-Roman?or you consider Thracians illyrians too

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Consistent-Sun-354@reddit

Because they weren’t Illyrian. Julian the Apostate who was a part of the Constaninian dynasty himself wrote that the family was explicitly of Daco-Thracian roots. Considering Niš material culture is also Daco-Thracian it just generally adds up. Not to mention the genetic makeup of Roman era locals of that region not being Illyrian. The Illyrian boundaries were mostly from Raška/about half of Kosovo to the Adriatic. Not as far in as Moesia which was exclusively Daco-Thracian.

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ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit

That is just BS ,Nis was Illyrian,Justinian on the other hand was born in Tauressium ,Dardania. Dacians and Thracians were more east where modern Romanian and Bulgarian are nowadays. Scholars do not know for sure the origins of those guys because ethnic identity at that time is completely different today ,my initial comment was referred to Greeks claiming them is ridicolous I do not another Romanian(you ) claiming them😂😂

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Gimmebiblio@reddit

He was born in what was then called Moesia, that covered parts of modern Romania, Bulgaria and I think also Serbia.

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HILLCLAIMER@reddit

Yeah i was wrong

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hunichii@reddit

Wasn't he born in modern day Serbia?

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baxulax@reddit

Did you ever ask yourself why Balkan Slavs don’t look like poles or Russians?

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_Caligulean_@reddit

I look like a typical Slavic person and I am anywhere between 40-60% according to various tests. We are darker than others on average because we mixed with Roman-Era natives

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whatevergirl8754@reddit

Our mix is generally 60-70% Slavic, 20-30% Illyrian and for some folks 10% Celtic/Gothic.

So of course since we are genetically mostly Slavic, we will mostly look like Slavs - since we are, but the other admixtures will slightly separate us and what we sometimes look like from our eastern and western Slavic brethren.

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Sad_Philosopher_3163@reddit

According to the latest study, Croats and Bosniaks are around 65% Slavic, while Serbs are around 55–60%. There are plenty of people who could pass in Ukraine, just as there are many Ukrainians who could pass in Croatia, there is an overlap. Russians are additionally admixed with Uralics, while Poles are admixed with Germanics, both around. The average adult Western or Eastern Slav is not blonde, but brown haired.

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Rider_167@reddit

Croats and Bosniaks are around 65% Slavic, while Serbs are around 55-60%

Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia are surely more similar to their neighbours rather than Serbians?

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JucheMystic@reddit

No, they're all the same. Serbs just have 5-10% more Paleo-Balkan dna

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JucheMystic@reddit

Who says we don't? Some do some don't. I look Polish for example

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alpidzonka@reddit

Before the Indo-European languages, way before the Slavic migrations and Turkic migrations, the Balkans were settled by what we now call Early European Farmers or Anatolian Neolithic Farmers. This is the population that built Vinča for instance. We all still have a really solid chunk of that ancestry. Greeks and Albanians have the most, followed by Romanians, Bulgarians and Macedonians, followed by the rest of ex-Yugoslavia plus western Turkey. The highest percentage of EEF ancestry is in Sardinia iirc, so that's vaguely what they looked like.

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Fearless-Salad-6298@reddit

We are all Thracian

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basedfinger@reddit

you nerds are arguing over genetics again?

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FisherKing85@reddit

This is the dumbest thing I have come across on Reddit.

Byzantine frescoes and icons are intentionally stylized this way, they are NOT supposed to be photorealistic, that's the whole point.

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SituationRoyal6535@reddit

Exactly. I'm glad they didn't reach for an icon of Christ Pantocrator.

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No_Designer_8203@reddit

Slavs include two major haplogroups - I2 which originated in the Balkans 30,000 years ago and R1a which migrated to Balkans 10,000 years ago. There was no Slavic settlement in 6th century, you need to stop with that nonsense.

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Substratas@reddit

There was no Slavic settlement in 6th century, you need to stop with that nonsense.

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pohanii_isus@reddit

wym there is no slavic settlement in 6th century

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No_Designer_8203@reddit

There was none. Just look at the haplogroups.

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Weak-Abbreviations15@reddit

Haplogroups are homogenized due to intermixing.

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No_Designer_8203@reddit

They're passed from father to son.

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Weak-Abbreviations15@reddit

Yes, so local men interbred with slavic women. And vice versa.
Total local vs imigratory gene pools define modern gene pool dynamics.
Also keep in mind that due to the three illyrian uprisings, the Romans culled large parts of northen illyria, in terms of population, which even though in centuries replenished itself, it lacked true density, thus making migrations much easier to slavs.

Additionally:

I2 branches which are associated with slavic populations, specifically I2a-L621 / PH908-type branches are not native to the balkans, and spread out around the 7-8th century, based on archeological evidence. .

R1a-Z282, is scarcely present in non-slavic populations (but still exists due to the intermixing), but it appeared in the archeological evidence, post 7th-8th century.

Regardless of the above, 1-2k years presence in the balkans is more than enough to be considered a true balkanite. It's just that modern conflicts and politics, make populations feel that theres more differences between us than similarities, which is not a true representation of reality, both culturally and genetically.

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Substantial-Peach-90@reddit

Haplogroups /= ancestry

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ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit

Slavic I2 is a different subclade formed in nowdays Poland /Ukraine the original I2 is simply the Huntergatherer component that anyone shares to an extent but the balkanik one is the Slavic subclade.

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Weak-Abbreviations15@reddit

Slavs have migrated to the Balkans. Stop coping. Embrace your real heritage.

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vivaervis@reddit

6th and 7th century.

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NastyFarang@reddit

Based on Greek statues - no.

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Substratas@reddit

No, I don’t agree. That face looks typical from Georgian or Anatolian.

Those eyes with a significant inferior scleral show & massive upper eyelid are the hallmark of Orthodox & Byzantine art.

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aurora_australis01@reddit

Greatest roman general👍.

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Gimmebiblio@reddit

This man deserves a movie.

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Fred_Neecheh@reddit

TV show

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Shaolinpower2@reddit

Please no! I'm not ready for 'a Black Byzantine king fighting against a lesbian vegan Persian Emperor' the serie

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Gimmebiblio@reddit

You're right. Too many achievements to cover in a single movie.

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-Passenger-@reddit

pretty confident Hollywood wont mess up the cast

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FloppyDiskDrives@reddit

Don’t worry about that, they’re too busy making woke trash to ever think about touching this.

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sokolobo@reddit

Idris Elba as Belisarius and Denzen Washington as Justinian I

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Gimmebiblio@reddit

😂

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Fearless-Salad-6298@reddit

Using Slavic as a term only proves the russification still evident in post-communistic countries, and there are quite a few in the Balkans.

Likewise that spread through Armenia, Azerbaijan and other Middle East countries neighboring the Ps motherland.

That same Russification made Greeks living in Greece believe they were descendants of Thracia. Greeks nowadays are descendants of some Afghan tribes, while Balkans are the countries on the Balkan Peninsula, not on the Anatolia, so go an hide in a bunker or smth

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ShitassAintOverYet@reddit

Fenotip kadar götünüzü eşşekler siksin

Who the fuck actually cares? Hair colour doesn't prove superiority, doesn't prove nobility, it hardly even proves ethnicity, it doesn't provide any sociological or political importance. I don't care if this dude was from Kayseri or Kalamata as long as he was a Byzantine noble doing Byzantine stuff.

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Fearless-Salad-6298@reddit

Amin

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Jazzlike-Moose3123@reddit

They put people into different groups and pit them againist each other.

You know who owns the dna test,my heritage,send us your dna companies and what they might do with our data?

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When someone says ''I am bisexual transexual got vagina and a dick also i am attracted to main battle tanks'' we are ok with that. Nobody says anything but god forbid someone says ''I am greek,turkish,albanian'' whatever. We dive deep. ''Your dna is like this and that you are 0,5 arabic, your ancestors farted towards russia you might be slavic''

What the fuq ?

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