Tough Time to be a Dev
Posted by flanneryoshitlord@reddit | ExperiencedDevs | View on Reddit | 144 comments
I’ve been doing this for 13 years, and I find myself, for the first time since starting, between full time work. The start up I was working for dissolved when an acquisition fell through. I’ve been lucky enough to have a network that I’ve been able to tap for consulting work to make ends meet, but it’s definitely a slight downgrade income wise. I have an offer on the table, but it’s contingent on them getting funding. Pre-seed; so, I’m not holding my breath, but it seems like a fun problem domain. The market is just a lot more difficult than it used to be, and I feel like a lot of the joy has been sapped out of the work. AI is probably a huge contributing factor there. I don’t mind code review, but losing the hours spent chiseling out a solution has me kind of grieving my favorite part of the job. System design is fun and all that, but executing that design was always more fun to me. I’m a realist, and tend to just do what I need to survive and support my family. But I feel like shit is just downhill from here for the foreseeable future. Just wondering if anyone else is feeling the way I am.
Ill-Recognition287@reddit
I definitely understand where you are coming from. I don't understand why not so many people consider this angle. If the coding part of your job is to be replaced by being a code reviewer, then you should be good at code review and you should understand the code that is being produced on the same deep level, which is expertise that only comes with time.
But how do you maintain that deep understanding of code and be better at code review? You didn't learn how to code by just reading code, you wrote code to understand what works and what doesn't work. If you don't want to sloppify your codebase you need to perform quality code review, but to perform quality code review you need to ensure that your skills stay sharp through writing code. So a hybrid approach of using AI starts to make more sense, where you automate tasks which are slam dunks for AI agents, and continue doing deep work on stuff that is more interesting and fun to you.
I know to some companies it really doesn't matter how fun your work is to you, the only metric that matters is productivity, but that productivity will fall in quailty if we always offload and don't maintain our understanding of code.
What happens if Claude hikes up the token prices after they stop being subsidized, these models are only getting more expensive so far? Companies will be forced to submit.
Single point of failure, we all become reliant on a select few companies to provide our skills back to us that we spent a lot of time learning, imagine if they just went offline and at the same time you had to fix prod? There is still importance in knowing how to code.
My agentic workflow involves delegating tasks to Claude Code either on another worktree, or the same worktree, sometimes a hybrid of working on something manually then filling in the gaps somewhere else, or being fully manual / AI as better google search on one task.
Void-kun@reddit
I've been a Dev for 7 years now.
I don't understand this sentiment. It has been drilled into me since before I became a dev that we have to keep learning and adapting to new technology otherwise we get left behind.
I never expected development to stay the way it was, when has technology ever remained stagnant for long?
This won't be the last time we have to change the way we work in our lifetime.
But it's clear as day those that will get left behind and struggle.
Saw this a mile off as an opportunity, so I have been using AI and taking courses for the last 1.5-2 years to position myself as an expert within the company I work for.
It's made me even more visible in my company, I've got a lot more trust and buy in from stakeholders and I'm leading workshops on AI assisted development and teaching others.
Sadly like many things, people are trying to use these tools without understanding the fundamentals first and then getting bad quality output.
vogut@reddit
Yep. I already started to think on my new job, but it's tough. I wish AI never existed.
ToughStreet8351@reddit
I think is the best thing it ever happened to this field since ever! It reignited my joy for building things! I still do the hard part (and fun) of the job (overall design and problem solving) and leave AI do the rest! I build so many fun things thx to it as well in my free time (company give unlimited tokens usage even for personal stuff).
vogut@reddit
This is just the beginning, soon your input won't be necessary. Software won't be as valuable as it is.
kevin7254@reddit
It will still require human input for quite some time. Domain knowledge, architecture, planning, speaking with stakeholders etc.
The day AI is good enough to do that as well it will replace all white collar jobs and the economy will collapse
vogut@reddit
Yes. Do you think we're so far of this scenario? I believe It will happen In 2030 max
ToughStreet8351@reddit
You still need a human to ask what they want and to at least vet the design. Maybe not as many people as now… but also… coding speed has never been the only bottleneck to shipping faster.
gsxdsm@reddit
Same
flanneryoshitlord@reddit (OP)
Me too, man. Me too. Sucks to spend more than a decade honing a set of skills that get devalued over night by a machine that can only kind of do that work and requires constant babysitting. Maybe Herbert was right about making machines “in the image of a man’s mind.”
AmbassadorMammoth548@reddit
Frank may be proven right even moreso in the near future. AI will continue to get better and there will come a point where there will be too many people without jobs. Our real-life Butlerian Revolution.
ZergTerminaL@reddit
I think it's more likely that llms always stay just slightly better than shitty. The problem is that slightly better than shitty seems to be good enough to affect the job market.
new2bay@reddit
If you believe the hype, Anthropic's Mythos is so far beyond everything it's insane. They claim it's found thousands of zero days in common software like ffmpeg, BSD, Linux, Windows, etc. They also claim it escaped from it's sandbox once.
BiggusBirdus22@reddit
Well, what else are they going to claim? That it's the same old shit with a slightly different spin?
SigmaSil@reddit
Look deeper. The report is technically correctish but very misleading
new2bay@reddit
That's why I'm saying "they claim" all over the place. Until this model exists publicly, I'm not believing anything they say.
ZergTerminaL@reddit
As a rule I don't believe anyone trying to sell me something. In the case of LLMs.... well they've been talking for a long time about how their new model is "scary" and how it will make whole job markets "obsolete" and I've yet to be impressed by anything they do.
flanneryoshitlord@reddit (OP)
Don’t give me hope.
Hardlydent@reddit
Yeah, I miss solving hard algos :(
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FirefighterAntique70@reddit
This post and most of the comments on it smells of a psyop...
Glum_Worldliness4904@reddit
CEOs want to shrink their workforce by the order of magnitude and all those “AI layoffs with elevated performance expectations” are adding fuel to the fire. This essentially results in existing workforce working with significant overtime to keep up.
It’s not going to over unless we hit the absolute bottom. They will have to re-hire all of the laid off stuff in addition to the so called “tech debt engineers” to clean up all those AI slop
flanneryoshitlord@reddit (OP)
Investors are over leveraged, and they haven’t seen pay offs from AI plays yet (maybe ever for a lot of them). The economy is a cluster fuck, right now. The markets just haven’t caught up, and that’s tightening the small business market that used to absorb devs that were laid off or just wanted a change of pace. It’s going to get worse before it gets better.
new2bay@reddit
Companies in general aren't seeing ROI on AI yet. Only 1 in 8 companies that's implemented any sort of AI initiative is seeing both decreased costs and increased revenues. Over half are seeing neither.
https://www.pwc.com/us/en/services/ai/ai-reality-check.html
SigmaSil@reddit
I feel CEOs are incentivized to fib on these surveys. Also, could increased revenue mean less expenses because they have less workers to pay from AI layoffs? Over half seeing neither in the survey reflects super negatively on the outcomes of AI adoption from my perspective.
moreVCAs@reddit
that may be true, but i really haven’t seen anything that portends the death of software engineering per se. definitely a hollowing out of the tech middle class, but honestly layoffs are just as easily explained by the interest rate and overall economic stagnation. the AI shit has to stabilize somewhere, unless you’re a real true blue believer in the hype.
kobumaister@reddit
AI can produce good code if you know how to make it work, and it has changed the development job for ever. There won't be a re-hire to fox ai-slop, it won't happen.
Companies that are laying off employees "because ai" are lying. They use it as an excuse. Companies with a healthy income are trying to do more with what they had thanks to AI.
Obviously AI is not perfect, and comes with a ton of problems regarding liability, governance, and acceptance from devs who think that the "if" they are writing is the value they bring to the company.
If you only wrote code, you're cooked.
Glum_Worldliness4904@reddit
Our company (tier 1 us brokerage firm) already has the so called Tech Software Engineer position to do full time cleanup/refactoring
kobumaister@reddit
Ok, so?
new2bay@reddit
So, the thing you said wouldn't happen has already happened.
kobumaister@reddit
Yes, a person hired to "refactor/clean up" in a single company is a "massive re-hire to fix ai-slop". You just want to confirm your bias, so I didn't want to make any effort.
AmbassadorMammoth548@reddit
I feel this. Our team was given access to Github Copilot at the start of the year. I do not write code anymore, and if I do it's very minimal. AI doesn't one-shot a request but after enough iterations and "steering" it in the right direction, the changes accomplish much of what is needed for a ticket. I find myself just checking each changed file and I'm acting much more like a PR reviewer. AI isn't perfect, but it isn't awful either - especially to devs who have pre-AI dev experience and know what to look out for. It's definitely taken a lot of the fun out of it.
serpix@reddit
I am at the opposite end. Absolutely at the top of my game, working overtime just because I find so much to do. We've been given an magical lever that amplifies everything we do.
steampowrd@reddit
Copilot isn’t even good. Claude will actually one shot thing.
kevin7254@reddit
Copilot CLI is really good, and they have GPT models as well which is good at cross-examination after you let Opus 4.6 (or 4.7 now) do the plan.
I use it privately as well because it’s like 40 bucks per month instead of 200 for Claude Code
yubario@reddit
GitHub copilot is not copilot.
GHCP is on par with Codex and Claude Code now
AmbassadorMammoth548@reddit
I'm sure there are benefits to using Claude Code directly. Copilot does provide Opus 4.6 as an option, though I'm only going to utilize whatever the company allows the dev team to use. No need to add another layer of stress by going outside that umbrella.
flanneryoshitlord@reddit (OP)
It feels almost like being an auditor at this point, and if I wanted to be one of those, I would’ve gone down that path. I’m passionate about building things, not building inspection. I’ll roll up my sleeves and do the work, but it doesn’t mean this shit doesn’t suck.
kobumaister@reddit
For me it's the other way around, now I manage to work more on design and architecture which is the favourite part of my job, and with AI I can focus more on that.
flanneryoshitlord@reddit (OP)
High level architecture, sure, but a good chunk of actual software architecture often happens at the implementation layer too. How systems interact and their interfaces is interesting, but it’s not particularly challenging work compared to building the thing. I also just generally feel like formal languages are better at expressing logic than English. We invented algebraic notation and programming languages, because human language is ambiguous. This quality makes it wonderfully expressive but also bad at expressing formal logic without a bunch of verbosity.
kobumaister@reddit
Totally agree. About the "building" part, I'd say that most of the time, for most of the workers, it's not building new fancy things anyway.
yubario@reddit
Oh be careful you’ll get downvoted to oblivion for admitting you’re having fun with AI. We can only talk about the end of times here with AI
Material_Policy6327@reddit
I’d argue folks get down voted more for remarks like this and sounding like an ass
new2bay@reddit
insert "it's the same picture" meme
dfltr@reddit
Think of it like this: Have you ever led a team? It’s mostly communication, writing specs, mentoring/guiding/babysitting people through implementation, and then reviewing work on projects you originally prototyped and wanted to build yourself.
It’s very different from how I pictured my career when I was younger, but the amount of stuff you can make is so satisfying. Having an entire engineering org fanning out to do work you came up with at the Staff level is so fucking cool.
If you think your job is writing code, those opportunities are going to dry up. If you think of your job as a tech lead and practice those skills, there are plenty of jobs and you’ll immediately jump past all the coders in the queue.
gsxdsm@reddit
This is very very very true. As a long time manager I’m loving loving loving life. I get to command my army of agents and stuff just gets done. It’s amazing.
aaron_dresden@reddit
A friend is working in a team as a contractor where the newly hired permanent junior who is 6 months out of uni, is all in on using AI to code everything and telling my friend off for being too slow, even though he has over a decade of experience and thinks about the architecture. They made the junior his boss. I sit there and think isn’t it bad enough with AI doing the actual work, mandates from the top but now the people below you can be adding unnecessary pressure, taking outsized risks with the code they submit, and not there to learn, having a false sense of skill because of AI. It’s bleak to hear about stories like that.
new2bay@reddit
That's some of the most backwards shit I've heard in a long time.
I remember the first time I worked with a really senior person. It seemed like he coded so slow, I didn't know how he actually got anything done. The thing is, his code worked, and it worked right the first time, almost all the time. We never had to do a major refactor of anything he wrote. That, to me, is the biggest difference between someone who's very senior and someone who isn't.
unsuitablebadger@reddit
This is my issue. Been doing this job for 20 years, recently laid off and reviewing PRs was the part I hate most... now it's the whole job. Time for a career change it looks like.
yubario@reddit
Life is great if you were a 10x engineer before AI though.
I can easily find jobs and get more money, because I have always worked as a one-man team and now I'm basically superhuman with AI.
flanneryoshitlord@reddit (OP)
I don’t mean to pop your bubble or anything, but I am also a VERY productive developer who has owned entire products on their own or leading small teams. This, aside from some lucky career decisions, would be why I have a network that is very willing to throw me work during. That doesn’t change the fact that the market has contracted nor the fundamental complaint that the nature of the work has shifted in such a way as to rob much of cognitive labor I once found so fulfilling. Glad you’re doing well, but it’s a little douchey to call yourself a “10x dev,” which almost always code for “I make messes people with more experience have to clean up.”
yubario@reddit
Not productive enough to avoid a layoff though. If the company you got let go from isn't going bankrupt, they ultimately decided you are just not worth the money to keep employed.
I hate to sound like an asshole with that, but it's true though.
deepmiddle@reddit
Damn this is straight up cold
flanneryoshitlord@reddit (OP)
They dissolved, homey. As in went bankrupt and are no more. Learn to read. That being said, I’ve been on the other end, helping the team members who survived that round cope and get back to the grind. If there’s anything I learned from that, it’s that skill level didn’t always make the difference. The best programmer I’ve ever met got laid off recently as his company moved all engineering work to Vietnam for cost savings. Getting laid off is usually a function of how large of a line item you are and your political placement. It rarely has to do with productivity.
yubario@reddit
So after 13 years, nobody you know has a job lined up for you? I just can't compute that.
flanneryoshitlord@reddit (OP)
Sometimes, budget cycles and skillsets just don’t align? I initially thought I wanted to go independent, but running a business kind of sucks. So, haven’t been actively looking for that long. I also didn’t tap most of my network; it’s an embarrassing thing to ask. Only the ones I was interested in working with again got DMs. Got a few recommendations out of it, but they didn’t have open reqs at the time due to hiring freezes. Signed an offer with a startup I’m pretty interested in, but it’s contingent on their funding closing here in the next month. The comp and equity is high enough that I’m just sitting until it either happens or doesn’t. I have enough work lined up and connections to ply if it falls through. shrug
yubario@reddit
I don't call myself that, other people call me that.
I am literally a solution architect, passed around the business like a shared resource.
C levels know who I am and it's a company with 100k+ employees.
I have survived every layoff in my career so far (5+), including during COVID when they fired 350+ contractors and I was the very few, 3 total, to get an exception.
I have implemented things in weeks that take most people months. It's just how it is,
BUT, I am not in my 40s yet, which is when age discrimination happens, so that's one thing I can't avoid eventually.
janyk@reddit
I'm a highly competent engineer and I'm still unemployed after 3 years
new2bay@reddit
Are you me? lol.
Are you even getting any response to applications? How long before you end up broke, homeless, and dead? I'm not getting any hits, and I might have another year or two, if my investments hold out.
Material_Policy6327@reddit
You sound like a true asshole
bmain1345@reddit
I’m on your side, the developer experience has never been better and I literally feel superhuman using it
creaturefeature16@reddit
Found the user with 10 "SaaS" apps with zero users on any of them.
yubario@reddit
I wish, my specialty is actually maintaining legacy applications and automation.
Could never start a SaaS my medical expenses is too high, my medicine alone is $25,000 a month. I'd get fired from a startup immediately once the first year of insurance went through.
new2bay@reddit
There never were any 10x engineers.
therealslimshady1234@reddit
AI is on its way out, so thats one problem less
cmpxchg8b@reddit
100% pure cope.
therealslimshady1234@reddit
All of the articles are from 2026. Also, Opus 4.7 just dropped and it is worse than 4.6
lavenderviking@reddit
For 8. it’s mostly AI related startups hiring where you’re expected to be a software engineer, product manager, designer and a team lead all at the same time
nosyeaj@reddit
so this is not dotcom 2.0?
CodelinesNL@reddit
It's tough when your "job" was taking well written specifications and turning them into code.
programmerman9000@reddit
Contrastingly, I’m mid-career but finding this to be a very exciting time. With AI in the picture I feel that the hard stuff is still hard but a lot of the tedious tasks have gotten a lot easier.
However, I entered software development from another engineering field, so writing code has never been what attracted me to it. Most of the code I’ve written is anyway a foregone conclusion, problems already solved, just a variation. I do like the day to day of figuring out what exactly to build and why.
When it comes to the “how”, I don’t care who or what writes the code but it better be good. Humans will still be reading and working with code for a long time. What can be automated should be, but it needs to be written in a way that will outlast whatever business target is being aimed at this fiscal quarter. There is a lot to do.
ProbablyBsPlzIgnore@reddit
I’m hearing the same at work. A lot of us gravitated to this field because as a kid we fell in love with coding. For me the fun part of the job has now been automated and it’s now just work. Adapt or die, I’ll be ok, but I feel like I’ve lost something important.
Some of my colleagues, the ones who typically run the meetings and just really enjoy designing sessions with stakeholders and always saw writing code as a chore are very happy because they now finally have so much time to focus on the parts of the job they like.
I think over time people like my younger self will find other fields to work in. Tech is no longer as technical as it was 6 months ago. If I’m going to be a manager I would rather manage people, not bots, it feels degrading.
Frillback@reddit
I have similar conclusions. I have been in tech doing other work but transitioned to development work along the way. I find potential in doing large impact work with smaller teams. Our team has been discussing projects we wouldn't consider years ago due to lack of dev resources. I'm in a regulated industry so the main barriers to software releases are red tape and risk management, the code is a small part of the overall process.
new2bay@reddit
I'd like to hear your story again in 3 years. That is, if I live that long. If I'm not able to get a job relatively soon, I will end up dying broke and homeless on the street.
UnFuturoExpat@reddit
These days its just a job, nothing more nothing less. I learned the hard way to not expect anything from it anymore
wmichben@reddit
Indeed. I have been exploring possible career changes (after 18 years). I don’t like where things are going and the opportunities just aren’t there right now anyway.
flanneryoshitlord@reddit (OP)
I don’t even know what I’d do with comparable pay that doesn’t require investing in more school (don’t want to do that at nearly 40 with a family to take care of) is the problem.
LittleLordFuckleroy1@reddit
If your target is comparable pay, yeah you’re going to need to go to school or try to strike out on your own entrepreneurially. Making and living on less is still an option..
Than said, I wouldn’t overreact to the impact of the AI bubble before it pops and normalizes. The industry can’t sustain this trajectory, it’s almost certain that there will be a correction.
new2bay@reddit
Go to school for what? Don't say med school, either.
LittleLordFuckleroy1@reddit
To make >150k? Dentistry, law, business consulting. And yes, med school. Or take on additional risk and make your own business.
Yes, it’s hard. There’s not a cheat code. That’s what you need to do if you want to make software money outside of software without getting lucky.
Chickenfrend@reddit
I'm almost thirty and have a math and computer science degree. The idea that I'm gonna have to go back to school in the near future to make the same money I'm making now, because they replace me with AI or people in india, is depressing. And I can't really afford to go back to school so idk
twinklytennis@reddit
LittleLordFuckleroy1@reddit
Sure, it sucks, but that’s life. You could also figure out how to make less money.
I don’t think AI is going to wipe out dev jobs. But if it were to, people are going to have to reckon with the fact that making a lot of money isn’t easy. As much as that’s a bummer.
Chickenfrend@reddit
I can handle a bit less money. But I don't want to work as a dishwasher or something. Hopefully there's jobs that utilize my skills in the future, but it's very uncertain
ip2k@reddit
In the Bay Area, if you have a mortgage and pay property taxes on your 7-figure home, the floor for keeping a roof over your family without changing school districts is high enough that it’s not like you can just go take some roofing job or work at a dealership or something. The options are basically soul-crushing middle management in a related industry that you can talk your way into if you’ve got enough management experience or try real hard to get back into a software role.
new2bay@reddit
Theoretically, I could go back to school. But what would I study that won't just be wiped out by AI in 10 years? Med school? Theoretically, I suppose I could do that. But, I'd never survive residency.
Lothy_@reddit
Not everyone is cut out for medicine. I’m personally way too squeamish about blood.
wmichben@reddit
That is the issue I run into as well. I am a single parent and life is getting quite expensive even after cutting back so I can’t afford to take a job with a much lower salary. So I guess I’m stuck until I lose my job and circumstances force me to change. These are stressful times.
flanneryoshitlord@reddit (OP)
It’s a real Catch-22. I know a guy who just went into real estate. He seems happy, but I just don’t have the soft skills for that. I can do presentations and work with clients, but that is a whole other skillset.
physio_poet@reddit
Mind sharing about the career shifts you're considering?
demosthenesss@reddit
Similar length career for me and similar thoughts
LucaColonnello@reddit
Can you elaborate your issue a bit more?
I’m trying to understand better. Is the problem that you can’t find a new job? Or is it that you don’t like that they ask of you to let AI code and you do system design?
If it is the latter, that’s kinda being the real value engineers bring, and it’s always been the case. The gnarly problem space is not that big, and it’s delegated to fewer people (there’s more mid / senior engineers than there are lead / staff / principal engineers). So coding, unless you were in these incredibly niche gnarly spaces, was always replaceable, first by automation and tooling, now by that + AI. And that’s not a bad thing.
Companies need to scale as the money dried up from investors, we need to capitalise, rather than churn and wait for profit to become big tech size.
They will ask you to do more with less, and without AI you’ll be forced to produce crap at the expense of maintainability and quality, all the while being asked to iterate on top of it and support it.
AI for me it’s been a blessing, as I am now able to take none of the shortcuts in a fourth of the time.
The real issue is for management to see it, as some of them seem to he born yesterday, or perhaps just drinking the AI cool aid, thinking they can get ANYBODY to code with AI, so the slop continues, just at a faster pace, with even less supervision than before. And that’s something they will understand, when it doesn’t work, but we have to navigate through it.
Idea-Aggressive@reddit
Now imagine spending 8 months looking for a new role, wasting personal time going through 5 round interviews several times. Finally getting an offer for a short contract, requesting references etc; the humiliation ritual; now having to go through another few months looking for an opportunity to then go through the same humiliation ritual, asking people for references etc. who knows for another few weeks of work. The most annoying part is joining the teams and finding that others don’t contribute much and spend most of their time sharing memes and their baby photos on slack.
nmur@reddit
It is quite ridiculous to see how some companies feel the need to set their hiring bar so high, but in reality a large proportion of their currently employed engineers wouldn't even come close to being able to pass their own interview processes
Idea-Aggressive@reddit
Now imagine the PR comments. It’s like we’re back in 2006 arguing about formatting, when these should be taken care of by the formatter and other similar comments by a linter. If you say something they talk on your back.
flanneryoshitlord@reddit (OP)
That is fucking rough, man. I’m sorry to hear that. Again, I have been beyond lucky for things to be even remotely smooth. I have coworkers who took almost a year to find something. I hope that you find something stable soon.
Idea-Aggressive@reddit
The problem is not finding opportunities, are the gatekeepers. People who have no respect for other people’s time. 2 months of interviewing, cancelling last minute, etc. We have bills to pay too. Sometimes I check their contributions and it’s basically version bumps, or text changes. This last contract, skipped lunch several times to complete very challenging work. Having to wait 3, 5 weeks to get PR approval because “we’re very busy” or “yeh I need to go to the gym and will get back to you later”.
new2bay@reddit
No, the problem is also finding opportunities. Somewhere around 20-30% of online job listings are ghost jobs, and the rest get hundreds or thousands of applications in a day. Those applications are often AI-juiced resumes that clog up the pipelines for legitimate candidates, as well.
Idea-Aggressive@reddit
Absolutely. Unfortunately it’s not possible to differentiate, or you risk losing the chance. It’s sad
Frillback@reddit
Insane lead time for PR. For teams I've been on, it usually doesn't take more than a day for a review unless it's a more complex change
PrideDense2206@reddit
That sounds like classic bro culture. I only ever saw this when working on Yahoo Sports back in the day. Teams should adopt rules of mutual respect.
flanneryoshitlord@reddit (OP)
That would drive me up an absolute wall.
Tacos314@reddit
What's the humiliation ritual?
Material_Policy6327@reddit
How do you not know what it is?
new2bay@reddit
The whole job search experience, from application to offer.
AmbassadorMammoth548@reddit
This. I told my friends who are in other industries about my "3rd round interview" - and they were shocked. "3 rounds??!!", my friend said to me, and I don't even think it's the last one lol. Anyone in Software understands the unique nature of getting a job in this field. Not to mention the sheer variety of what could be asked of you in the technical round...I'm tired boss.
nmur@reddit
Or the fact that it's totally normal to grind hundreds of leetcode questions in your own time, and ideally have your own personal projects to show just how passionate you are
new2bay@reddit
I wish it was only 3 rounds. What is it with every fucking company thinking they can hire like FAANG but not pay like FAANG?
new2bay@reddit
I only wish I could be so fortunate.
thedeathgodshinigami@reddit
It's going same way. I used to enjoy coding and solving problems. Now it's just ask Claude - what we should do? All product and program managers are trying to be tech leads now and trying to solve problems that doesn't really exists. My day is just meetings, code reviews(again done by a review agent) and talking about .md files. I don't feel comfortable or happy doing this, but I'm unsure what else can I do.
seatangle@reddit
Time to unionize is what it is
new2bay@reddit
That time was 5 years ago.
Groove-Theory@reddit
Second best time is today
JeanRalphioTheSecond@reddit
Ya. I also don’t know if I’m a fit for this industry going forward. The short version is that I don’t really look forward to going in and prompting for 8 hrs a day. It’s uninteresting. The other thing is, I don’t think it’s very healthy. We used to talk more, walk more, ponder, etc. I think the average cognitive load is higher and increases stress.
AmbassadorMammoth548@reddit
Brain load definitely higher. We have to read, review and if we're diligent, debug the AI generated code which can often be several hundred new lines throughout several files. Yeah, the AI spits out a lot of code in a shorter amount of time but on the flip-side its taking more time to review and verify it. When we were writing code, that same review/verification occured alongside each new written line. Now it's like an info-dump that requires its own time to sift through.
Living-Bread3069@reddit
not sure it's just ai, market cycles affect dev jobs too
kevin7254@reddit
What? Stress is way lower, and for sure also cognitive load. I do way less thinking. Probably work 1/2 as much and producing as much (if not more). The part that takes time is writing the code (especially tests, boilerplate). That takes like 1/50 the time now
new2bay@reddit
I hear what you're saying. The thing is, I don't even care about all that. I'll prompt the clanker all they want, if they want to pay me for it. The problem is nobody will even interview me.
69mayb@reddit
AI only play minor favor. It all starts with that fucker Elon slashed 75% of twitter, now ceo wanna use his playbook
StephTheBot@reddit
Is it really AI or offshoring?
dpimente@reddit
Both
Frillback@reddit
My offshore team members, who used to at most send a sentence or two email, are now sending me five paragraph AI generated emails.
StrawberryWaste9040@reddit
offshoring was here for last 20+ years and didn't do much damage to domestic job market. This is different, there's oversupply of developers that's either 50% of workforce, or even one order of magnitude.
Going forward, it is going to be like manufacturing industry- jobs are not coming back
flanneryoshitlord@reddit (OP)
Well, my getting laid off was probably a by-product of over leveraged investment firms no longer having the funds for willy nilly capital injections. My growing discontent is definitely a byproduct of AI absorbing a good chunk of our duties. Off shoring definitely doesn’t help, but it’s our government’s job to do something to at least mitigate that. And they’re off picking their noses in the corner. So, good luck, everybody.
drguid@reddit
Senior dev and been out of work for 6 months now. Actually I was offered a job in February but the client pulled the offer due to funding issues.
There are a LOT of good people around. Also a lot of not good people which are flooding employers with junk applications.
Personally I'm working on my side project. I think dev might be dead. I don't think AI will kill jobs, it's more economics than anything. I'm UK based and rents have flatlined... that's the best indicator of what's really going on in the economy.
DateMasamusubi@reddit
Feeling that productivity is going to fall, quiet qitting will get worse. Lotta firms cite AI for layoffs but I figure they are leveraged too high and hired too quickly post-Covid.
new2bay@reddit
The COVID over-hiring, to the extent that it existed, was already dealt with by the time the major waves of layoffs started in 2024 and onward. There's a lot of AI-washing out there, because "we're doing layoffs because we're replacing people with AI" is an easy story to tell. What's really happening is either these companies just want to juice next quarter's numbers, or they're trying to make up for some other thing that's impacting their bottom line. My guess would be either inflation, or AI initiatives that aren't showing ROI.
cobalt-jam88@reddit
I'm still at big tech so I can't speak to the job search part, but the AI thing... yeah. I miss the hours spent working through a gnarly implementation too. The weird thing is I'm shipping faster but enjoying it less, like someone optimized for the wrong metric.
The pre-seed contingent offer sounds like a polite no. I wouldn't plan around it.
PrideDense2206@reddit
You’ve captured the sentiment of all engineers who’ve learned things the hard way, and now watch ai dribble around us like we’re 1 day on the job. When perfection is what we’re chasing it can feel like a fruitless experience. You’ve got to find joy in building again. AI is awesome but it feels good to write code the old way and struggle through a problem. Things don’t need to be all downhill from here.
chikamakaleyley@reddit
brother, this is exactly what kept me afloat for a recent, 21month phase of unemployment
this is the right thing to do while you continue to job search. eventually one hits. and you will thank yourself for at least making the effort to reach out to your network to hold you over when you needed it
chikamakaleyley@reddit
18 YOE, self taught
fasterrobot@reddit
I just had a disturbing experience on Indeed. I went on Indeed after 7 years without looking at it to update my resume with my Graduate degree information and was met with 10+ pages of contract jobs all with "AI trainer" in the title. For example:
Android Developer: AI Trainer
People are so desperate that they will knowingly train their replacement?
Tacos314@reddit
Lol, ai trainer is not even a thing.
new2bay@reddit
They call it "data annotation." They want us to create and / or clean their training data sets for them.
new2bay@reddit
Not yet, but I'm getting there.
Tacos314@reddit
Honestly with a different president/government and a different economy that was not backed by terrfis, bad relations and increasing discontent the LLMs would be a boon to everyone.
rorschach200@reddit
Prediction: this post will be removed by mods.
CadeOCarimbo@reddit
As it should
new2bay@reddit
Funny you should say that, because the comment you're replying to has been removed, but the post has not. They know, and they're letting us have this.
new2bay@reddit
Yep. "Low effort, venting."
rorschach200@reddit
I almost never agree with mods on this sub. Personal stories, personal experience, everyday struggle, thought provoking questions - they spawn interesting discussions and sharing, and then mods remove the post.
It's a frustrating sub.
Like what is it supposed to be, in "Experienced Devs"? Java classes patterns? Who the tf cares about that, that's the stuff you learn about, get excited about, practice, live through, get bored with, completely transcend and move forward from, living behind in distant past and vague memory like learning to walk once upon a time, seeking what's next - all in the span of college years + the first 20% of your career.
What is not experience these days but learning that jobs are just jobs, most of us are building meaningless nonsense for a living, and life needs purpose that's so hard to find.
Plenty_Membership472@reddit
how do you handle vague feedback in prs
SquishTheProgrammer@reddit
My wife isn’t in tech but she was out of a job for a year. Got hired at a place a month ago and was let go today. They posted the job again today but require a license now. They literally just didn’t want to train her. It’s brutal everywhere. I understand what you mean about AI. One of my favorite parts of the job is problem solving and implementing solutions to those issues. Good luck on your search. I hope you find a job that makes you happy.
skidmark_zuckerberg@reddit
Idk, I try to not be a doomer. I have read horror stories time and time again here on Reddit. And 3 weeks ago I was laid off. So forcefully, I was pushed into the market. But I’m finding traction out there. Getting phone screens that resulted in 3 interviews being scheduled, with 1 round at one place being done already. Not sure if they will result in offers of course, but it’s been 3 weeks and I’ve got more on my plate than I ideally want.
Recruiters are also dropping into my LinkedIn messages again, some I ignore if they seem scammy (Indian recruiters) or the job seems are contracts or just meh, but I’ve followed up with a couple of them for FT roles as of this week and I’m just waiting to hear back after my info and resume was submitted. Even in probably the worst time for the market during 2023-2024, a good friend of mine was laid off doing the same work I do, and found a better role within 3 months and still works there today. 2026 can’t be worse than those following years after the tech market bubble popped based on my current experience and the statistics for jobs I’ve seen. How many are ghost jobs, who knows. Can’t worry about it.
I’m definitely being asked if I know how to use AI tools, but aside from that, it’s business as usual from what I can remember. Seems knowing AI is a key ingredient right now. Feels reminiscent of the pre pandemic market if anything. Still, lots of auto rejections and tinkering with the resume to get through ATS but gotta play the game I suppose.