I feel like America let Spirit Airlines whither on the vine.
Posted by Morganrow@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 178 comments
Whether it was social commentary, political division, jokes on late night. Everyone was rooting for Spirit to fail. They weren’t perfect by any means, but I think long term people are going to miss airlines like Spirit.
I flew the bus for them for 5 years. It was a great company to work for. Safety came first, crew came second, customer service came third. Exactly what you want from an employer.
The result we see now isn’t unexpected. Pick your poison. Pratt and Whitney, competitors offering basic economy, failed mergers, bad management.
It doesn’t mean we weren’t valued. It just means it wasn’t our time. We were good pilots for a good airline.
pixeltackle@reddit
Glad to hear your perspective.
This is probably why they're going out of business - bad experiences do not beget repeat customers
Customers want to be first, or at least second ... see other airlines that are outliving Spirit
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
We never killed anybody
HTC864@reddit
Did you really come here just to bitch at people because Spirit wasn't run correctly?
eliminate1337@reddit
That’s like saying I should come to your restaurant because you’ve never given anyone food poisoning. Yeah that’s great but if the food sucks and service is slow I still won’t come.
assimilating@reddit
That’s a pretty fucking low bar for quality.
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
Or maybe it’s just that our priorities were in a different place
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
What was spirit's priority?
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
Human life not champagne and lobster
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
I never had champagne and lobster on Southwest.
But they're not a shitty airline. Spirit is.
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
How many crashes has Southwest had?
zuniac5@reddit
Spirit Airlines: You'll Survive! (Probably)
pixeltackle@reddit
"it didn't kill me to fly Spirit, ^but ^I ^wish ^it ^had" isn't a ringing endorsement
ahundredplus@reddit
I mean airlines are notoriously shitty businesses.
Budget airlines in an expensive ass place like America do not make it easier.
zuniac5@reddit
It made sure that their customer base was either the worst possible people imaginable or the people who couldn't afford to fly with anyone else.
Not exactly what I would call a solid and deep-pocketed customer base.
pixeltackle@reddit
Why a business works (or not) is often completely unknown to the company itself
See: Southwest's recent changes and impending certain death
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
I'm a big Southwest fanboy. After their recent changes I don't see myself flying with them anymore. I refuse to even consider them a budget airline. I really defended them it's all I ever flew given the options.
They're not going to survive this.
pixeltackle@reddit
I exclusively flew Southwest unless work booked a flight for me, which they usually chose AA or UA
The recent changes make all the rough edges of their new & old systems stand out and none of the charm remains.
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
Yeah I love them. I mean one of my favorite parts about the airline was the staff. They definitely let their staff have a very loose leash. The joking, the casualness, their friendly banter, all of it. It's nothing I've ever experienced on any other airline. It wasn't just about the bags or whatever. It was just the whole thing collectively.
I haven't flown with them since the changes but I don't really see the point. I flew with them because of the comfort, sure along with the price and the baggage was a nice deal too but it was finally just I felt like I was part of them you know. United or Delta has never made me feel this way.
It's a shame though.
pixeltackle@reddit
I agree with you. It wasn't about $50 for a bag it was about the hassle.
Having employees become rigid rule-enforcers is why so many other airlines feel cold and distant in comparison.
I really wonder how few people get what made Southwest tick who are fighting to try and save it... there can't be many left with the company at this point, or those who are don't have much sway.
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
When I first Southwest I would always sit in the back. Not the very back but the second to the last row by the bathrooms. I did this because a lot of my routes would deplane from both ends of the aircraft. Not all passengers knew this so it was nice for me to kind of sneak my way to the "front" to get off the aircraft quicker. I was also clearly a frequent flyer just by how I carried myself and the flight attendants noticed this. I would always order a Jack and Coke and I can't tell you how many times the attendance would just lean over in hand me a couple bottles with a can of soda without doing their rounds first. It was a very people oriented airline and it's a shame what's going to happen to them. They let their staff had a very loose leash and it was one of the things I loved about them. I've never heard a plane erupt in laughter during a safety briefing like I have with Southwest.
It really is a shame
LowValueAviator@reddit
They should probably fire the judge that blocked the merger with JB.
RandomNumberPlease@reddit
Two things can be true.
An airline can have adequate safety standards
It can suck for the customer side.
Personally, I do think the right thing would've been the merger with JetBlue (or more realistically, Frontier)
As for the 10,000 job losses... Those jets are gonna be up in the air in no time, with another airline of course. Its not zero sum.... The people will get up on their feet again.
douchey_mcbaggins@reddit
Aren't there several airlines with a bunch of grounded A320 series aircraft waiting for parts and/or engine repairs? If that's still a thing, Spirit's planes won't be on the ground for long.
52-61-64-75@reddit
I'm from Europe, I've never flown Spirit, I have flown United and Delta short haul around the US. I have also flown Ryanair extensively in Europe.
Budget airlines are awesome. I'm confused why more people in the US don't want them. I can fly from Dublin to Paris for 16 euro, I can fly Dublin to Cyprus for 40 euro. Compare this to the US, I flew MSP-ORD with Delta for over a hundred dollars one way. It was on a tiny little CRJ, the only difference between Ryanair and Delta connection was Delta connection gave me a cookie and I could bring a suitcase, with Ryanair I can buy a cookie and an extra suitcase and still only pay 40 euro for the flight.
Really don't get all the budget airline hate in the US, people have been dissing what OP describes as customer third, but I don't see an issue with that at all once the price point is appropriate. You guys treat spirit like an airline and not a bus company and this is why you don't like it lol
blackenswans@reddit
The problem with budget airlines in the US is that they are cheap but not really comparable to price ranges ryanair wizz offer in europe.
nosecohn@reddit
They failed to compete. Those late night jokes persisted for a reason: the company didn't adequately address customer satisfaction. The loss of all those jobs is on the management, not the public.
KennyGaming@reddit
Spirit isn’t failing because of poor customer satisfaction though so I don’t see how your comment makes sense
nosecohn@reddit
Last year, Spirit's economy service was ranked second to last in the country, with only Frontier being worse.
But that only counts people who still fly those airlines.
A 2023 survey ranked Spirit as the most avoided US airline by far, and among every age group. That article shows they were dead last in customer satisfaction that year too.
Spirit is failing because even budget travelers would prefer to fly Basic Economy on the legacy carriers than to fly on Spirit. That's a direct result of poor customer satisfaction.
KennyGaming@reddit
I agree all that is true, but I think they’re failing for different reasons regardless. Namely how they handled their capital and attempted mergers, and their inflexibility to handle things like a fuel price hike
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
Enjoy your inflated ticket prices. You’re right. We couldn’t get past the stigma. We tried cheap tickets.
Senior-Cantaloupe-69@reddit
I’ll pay more to get there on time. Treating customers third is ridiculous and stupid.
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
are you sure about that?
Exact_Package_7264@reddit
really? i've had to fly american airlines and had to pay more to do so - and i most certainly did not get there on time. i would pay someone to waterboard me before use them.
Senior-Cantaloupe-69@reddit
Yes. I fly 20+ trips a year. American has much better leg room than United. American is also good about being on time. At least for me.
Exact_Package_7264@reddit
open source statistics say otherwise.
moopmoopmeep@reddit
I’m a little disturbed by a pilot harboring so much animosity towards passengers, especially in a “it’s your fault I’m unemployed” way that doesn’t make any logical sense.
Can someone check on this dude?
CassiCatto@reddit
I figured Spirit was like Ryanair and EasyJet over here.
TomVonServo@reddit
Kind of like Ryanair. Sleazyjet is a cut above Spirit.
-smartcasual-@reddit
Ryanair have always had good OTP, though.
blackenswans@reddit
Also ryanair is REALLY cheap when it’s cheap.
Spirit airlines is usually a bit cheaper than basic economy at fsc.
enduserfeedback@reddit
The final nail is the skyrocketing jet fuel prices from an unnecessary war started by a person who was voted in by people who will miss this airline the most. Oddly enough, we will all suffer by paying higher ticket prices due to less competition.
N205FR@reddit
This.
While both administrations share some blame, they were mostly on the road to recovery, even stopping furloughs, and on track with a good plan, before jet fuel literally doubled from the Iran War.
As for the previous admin’s DOJ ruling, I blame but understand why they tried to block the merger, post-pandemic the US had the lowest inflation of almost any country, yet the mass populace got brainwashed into thinking that the president has a single “inflation button” & blamed him for the worldwide inflation, so I understand why he did everything to make it seem like he was lowering prices & stopping monopolies is one of them, of course in hindsight letting NK go away would bring up prices too, though there’s no telling if the merger would’ve simply brought down 2 airlines.
Of course the current administration didn’t help with tariffs (aviation eventually exempted but not for several months), though I don’t know if an Alabama made Airbus with PW engines would suffer any more tariffs than a MAX made with CFM engines & components from dozens of countries, which is why tariffs on aviation is the dumbest idea ever. But again despite all these issues that me and other posters are bringing up, they were well on track https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2026/03/10/spirit-airlines-pilots-bankruptcy.html
Then the Iran War…
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Blurple11@reddit
Spirit has pilots? I thought ticket prices were so low because every passenger on the flight took turns flying the plane
woodworkingguy1@reddit
$25 to print out a boarding pass and up to $55 for a carry on...fuck them
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
Well the company is folding so I guess enjoy your $55
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
Why are you acting like this?
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
10,000 people are about to lose their jobs
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
Sounds like the company should have had a better business plan.
$55 for a carry-on? Shit I can get a flight to San Diego for that much on Southwest on a good day
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
Is that really what you’re thinking about right now? $55?
People dedicated their lives to making a safe, affordable airline. It’s on life support and all you guys know is criticism.
ZZ9ZA@reddit
People devoting their lives to a soulless corporate entity that will fuck them over for the slightest reason is the definition of a them problem.
Apprehensive_Cost937@reddit
Unfortunately, with airlines, where everything is based on seniority (pretty much every airline in USA), you kind of don't have a choice, because you can't move laterally between employers.
A lot of very senior pilots at Spirit will be starting right down at the bottom with the new airline, if Spirit is liquidated.
eliminate1337@reddit
You shouldn’t be this attached to your employer. It’s a for-profit business not your family. In five years you’ll be flying for someone else and will have forgotten all about Spirit Airlines.
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
How many crashes has Southwest had?
It's on life support because the airline fucking sucks. It's a bad airline.
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
I don’t understand why this fucking community cannot wrap their heads around the fact that something bad in the industry is bad for the industry.
Why are we calling each other out like this? This dysfunction and it’s going to lead to something unsafe in the flight deck.
chairman-me0w@reddit
Spirit is dog shit and deserves everything coming to it. Done. Full stop. End of story
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
They’ve been around for 40 years. I know a lot of the senior captains. They’re some of the best people I’ve ever met
chairman-me0w@reddit
Seems like they got an early retirement. I’m sure Enron had some nice people too lol
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
You think that the guys who manipulated the world economy are on the same level as the guys who just want to fly an airplane?
chairman-me0w@reddit
No. Just two shitty companies that got what was coming.
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
What does delta and United deserve?
DaneAlaskaCruz@reddit
You're biased because you work for Spirit. So no one can fault you for being quite heated and dare I say, spirited, about this.
But you seem to not be listening to the crowd here.
Spirit Airlines sucks. Worst airline I've ever flown with in the US.
Many of us are not too sad that they're going under cause they provided the worst service ever.
The airline didn't even try to get better. They just seemed to take it as a badge to be proud of that they're one of the worst.
Sorry you're losing your job, but it isn't a very good company.
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
Appreciate the pun. You’re gonna hate it that we’re not around tho. Checks and balances. Big three wanted us to go out
DaneAlaskaCruz@reddit
Yes, that is the thing that is bad about this situation. Less competition and less options.
Hope you land on your feet and get another piloting job.
🤙
chairman-me0w@reddit
A better fate than spirit. They are well run in comparison. Frankly, people do not care about spirit. They see a shitty company that perpetuates shitty practices and nobody will lose sleep over not having them as a choice.
zuniac5@reddit
Spirit was bad for the industry. Sorry you seem to have an obsession with them, but they were Public Enemy #1 for driving down margins and service standards across the industry for all passengers. We all suffer now because Spirit existed.
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
It sounds like he flies for them
zuniac5@reddit
I'm sure that makes a difference to someone.
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
Given the choice do you think a pilot would rather fly for Delta or Spirit?
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
Spirit mismanaging themselves and putting themselves into bankruptcy and making 10,000 people lose their job isn't going to make something unsafe in the flight deck.
What happened is 1000% Spirit's fault. They are a bad airline.
asphaltaddict33@reddit
Shit happens man, that’s life. Nothing is guaranteed, these people know that or are about to
Few-Masterpiece3910@reddit
Why are you acting like this?
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
Like what? I'm telling him that Spirit is a shitty airline and he's losing his fucking mind
TheCryingGrizzlies@reddit
That's a failure of the business not their customers, numnuts
zuniac5@reddit
Are you getting this worked up about the 16K Amazon workers that lost their jobs earlier this year? What about the 30K Oracle workers that lost their jobs last month?
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
Are they ALPA?
zuniac5@reddit
So you're admitting that all you care about is the people you've chosen as worthy.
Dude, I think you've had enough internet for the day. Probably best to log off before you embarrass yourself even further.
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
He flies for Spirit in his losing his job because there are shitty fucking airline
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
So you don't care about people losing their jobs?
You're complaining because you're losing your job because you work for a poor mismanage company that brought the entire industry down?
littlePosh_@reddit
Why am I beholden to an airline and responsible for supporting their selfish, greedy practices? Maybe if they didn’t do that, they wouldn’t be in this situation. Enjoy your bankruptcy.
UziWitDaHighTops@reddit
I love this thread. If it’s such a great airline surely everyone is getting a severance and their stock options will be bought back at a fair price ahaha. God I bet OP is insufferable in person. Companies fold everyday, the only you care this time is because it’s yours. I have a small business running thin margins. Tariffs have completely fucked us so I had to take a massive pay cut and lay people off, where’s my sympathy? Right, in the pile nobody cares about along with yours OP.
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
They should give you your money back, and they will, but the hubris to ignore the fact that the entire organization is collapsing with the loss of thousands of jobs doesn’t phase you has my concern.
I hope you get your $55
What is this conversation about
zuniac5@reddit
Feel free to blame the [elderly confused person Justice department for nuking the jetBlue merger, which would have saved a lot of those jobs - but you probably won't, because you're hellbent on making the flying public responsible for propping up a failing carrier (which did significant damage to the industry by existing).
Fuck 'em.
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
Yea, fuck em. I’m glad we have each others backs in our time of need
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
What do you mean have each other's backs?
The airline put themselves into bankruptcy because of their bad management.
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
We’re ALPA pilots.
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
Okay and? What do you want these other pilots to do because your airline mismanaged himself into bankruptcy?
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
Uphold the contract that we signed. Support their coworkers. All we do is fly the plane. I flew an airbus A320. The same aircraft that delta, American, and United fly.
I joined the same union they’re apart of. Except American they have their own thing.
We were trained on checklists, emergency procedures, and crew resource management.
We’re pretty much all trained the same and are represented by the same union
Now all of a sudden we’ve become the enemy at spirit. Never lost a life. Nevertheless an event.
Tsao_Aubbes@reddit
You new to aviation? Union or not that's how it goes. You don't think your mechanics are in the exact same boat as you?
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
I know they are. Make the whole situation more tragic. Nobody deserves this
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
What part of the contract are these other pilots not holding up?
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
I have not seen a single pilot step up from delta or United in Spirits defense
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
Step up for what? What do you want them to do? Give them money so they don't go bankrupt? 😂
Spirit fucking sucks as an airline.
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
I’d like you to say that to everyone that made spirit a successful airline for 49 years.
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
What do you want these pilots to do? Your airline was mismanaged and is going bankrupt.
What do you want these pilots to do? Say spirit wasn't a bad airline? Because that would be asking them to lie
Look man I'm sorry you're losing your job. But the airline you worked for was not a good airline. I've worked for bad companies too. Just because I've lost my job doesn't mean I act like the company wasn't shitty.
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
What do you want them to do? Concede to the big three? You can only fly if you have the backing of the biggest airlines in the world?
I want you to acknowledge that you have won yet another I want you to understand that adversaries come in all shapes and sizes.
Your model isn’t the future. Signed, a random guy who worked for spirit.
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
Not be such a shitty fucking airline.
Southwest didn't have any of these problems.
Sounds like spirit had a really fucking shitty business model to me doesn't it? If they had a good business model would they be out of business right now?
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
Southwest has no problems yet they’re changing their entire business model. For the first time how many decades they’ve changed it.
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
Yeah because they hired a bunch of MBAs. And in a few years they're going to go the same way as your shitty airline is going.
You understand it's okay to acknowledge that you work for a shitty company right?
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
Nope, never thought that. They were market leaders in 2019. I never thought the airline wasn’t viable.
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
Well that's a great story but the fact of the matter is Spirit is a shitty airline
And the way that you're acting right now makes me wish I never am on a plane that you're flying. This fucking attitude is dangerous
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
Don’t blame you. For what it’s worth I’m never flying a plane again.
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
That's good. We don't need people like you flying
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
Agreed
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
You are dangerous
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
Thanks, man. I appreciate everything you’ve done for me and my mental health. It helps a lot
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
You are dangerous.
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
I’m dangerous? I’m the one on the cusp of losing everything. I’m the one staring the barrel of a career change because my company is out of business.
Youre the one that keeps saying im dangerous. What do you do?
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
Yes you are. The way that you're acting in your attitude tells a lot. You're unable to look at the actual facts at hand, the facts that Spirit is a shitty fucking airline. Planes crash because pilots don't look at the facts at hand. You are like "It shouldn't be this way", You're right It shouldn't be this way. But why is it this way? Because Spirit is a shitty fucking airline that was mismanaged. But you refuse to acknowledge that. You refuse to look up what is right in front of your eyes.
And that is why planes crash
WildHoboDealer@reddit
Preach... I guess this guy didn't know he could just go apply to fly for another airline so, whoops, time to flip burgers. Nothing to be done, says the guy with a marketable skill.
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
"It shouldn't be this way"
-Bonin
Yeah no fucking shit. Why is it this way?
ForkzUp@reddit
Bizarely, he's white knighting a company that didn't take him seriously: https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1snpkdo/i_feel_like_america_let_spirit_airlines_whither/ognrqt1/
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
Yeah I've already told him that he's dangerous and I never want to be on a plane with him
UpdateDesk1112@reddit
Tried to fly Spirit twice. Both flights were cancelled while I was at the airport and I was offered to travel 2 days later. For Friday to Sunday weekend trips. When I said no they refused to refund my money.
Do you have a group chat for everyone at the airline? It will be no problem telling them they suck as an airline.
That doesn’t mean anyone sucked at being a pilot, or Flight Attendant, or anything else, but they are a a shitty airline. Don’t try to pass the blame to “America” for their failings.
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
We’re about to lose everything. They’re worried about their bonus
zuniac5@reddit
Feel free to blame the [elderly confused person] Justice department for nuking the jetBlue merger, which would have saved a lot of those jobs - but you probably won't, because you're hellbent on making the flying public responsible for propping up a failing carrier (which did significant damage to the industry by existing).
Fuck 'em.
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TheGoodspeed15@reddit
No they're collapsing because of their stupid decisions
There's a reason why they are a joke and a meme in the industry
eastcounty98@reddit
Nobody got scammed for $55 so you can stop saying that lol. People can rightly criticize an airline without you getting all defensive
Current-Being-8238@reddit
Your arguments are futile. The people here will complain about every airline. Doesn’t matter which. They will also never really consider the complexity of this business and how low margin it is.
Meth_Useler@reddit
that's if they're even manning the desk. I once had a flight cancelled by them, and while waiting at the terminal desk with everyone, the airport announcer said over the loudspeaker they were getting fined for not manning their desks. Someone finally showed up - Turns out, they had to be woken up at home to come in.
YOURE_GONNA_HATE_ME@reddit
Completely ignoring the self inflicted financial mismanagement Spirit underwent. They used to be one of the lowest debt airlines in the entire world. Paid for all the deliveries in cash. They took on too much, too fast, and lacked the flexibility of a paid off fleet when times got tough.
Flew spirit a few times. Have no real complaints besides the customers. Even the model doesn’t bother me that much because they really didn’t hide the fees, you had to have ignored them. But man, they burned themselves bad. Feel terrible for the employees but put it out to pasture.
FEMA_Camp_Survivor@reddit
It might be time for Avelo, Sun Country, or Allegiant to rise.
I’m biased cause I’m in ATL but whoever replaces Spirit there will show they’re ready to compete with the big dogs. It’ll be good for consumers too.
Fluid-Expert-4363@reddit
Ten years back, many had Allegiant on the next one out due to the maintenance and operations issues. They have turned it around pretty well.
BeehiveDeepDive@reddit
Sun Country is merging with Allegiant.
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
No bro don't you understand? It was the memes and late night jokes that killed the airline.
TomVonServo@reddit
“America” didn’t owe that flying greyhound bus company anything.
KJ3040@reddit
OP - what’s happening to the company isn’t a reflection of your value as a pilot. Spirit pilots are very well regarded by hiring and training departments—I’ve personally heard recruiters say they want more Spirit folks.
On the macro side, the JetBlue–Spirit decision followed by Alaska–Hawaiian does raise legitimate questions about consistency in antitrust standards and how consumer harm is being evaluated.
That said, Spirit had been unprofitable for an extended period even before the merger outcome. Pratt issues and DOJ actions mattered, but the underlying margins were already thin. Frontier’s relative resilience points to structural cost differences, particularly labor as a percentage of unit revenue (way below industry standard), which shows how fragile the ULCC model can be when costs move out of alignment.
There’s a broader debate to be had about what that model means for wages and long-term sustainability, but none of that takes away from the quality and dignity of your work there. I’m sorry this happening, but no it’s not the American consumer’s fault.
LostPilot517@reddit
Phenomenal answer.
The only other thing I would add, is the over dependency on large A321 aircraft by ULCC. Airbus sales guys really paint a pretty picture of that aircraft, and fleet acquisition groups swallow it whole. Unfortunately, its economics are shaded by rose colored glasses. It requires the airline to fill it up, which inadvertently narrows the markets it can operate in, it becomes financially impossible to launch into new markets, or serve underserved markets with lower foot traffic because you can't fill the aircraft and generate the traffic to sustain A321 operations. Inevitable aircraft get pushed into larger markets, and now the ULCC is competing directly with the big airline, which own or control the market. The Legacy/Major leverage their size, rewards program, basic economy fairs and upsell, while the ULCC has nothing to offer, except razor thin margins or flights losing money. The ULCC market essentially flew itself into coffin corner, flying to many A321, offering too many seats in markets, and unable to compete and open new markets or underserved markets allowing startups like Breeze and Avelo to have niche space and market room.
Finally, they did not secure aircraft/engine lease terms with sufficient protection language to protect themselves or receive compensation due to supplier/OEM issues.
Paranoma@reddit
This is the answer OP. You’re a great pilot. Spirit is not a great airline. You only had to fly them a couple times to learn you could spend your money in a better way. The passenger experience is awful. But: you get what you paid for. People don’t understand that anymore ironically because Spirit made flights so cheap they think doing a transcon costs $100. It doesn’t. That’s why the financials have gone down the tube.
pipic_picnip@reddit
I am glad to hear your perspective as pilot, because often people assume safety is not big in cheap airlines and this is a very misleading statement.
But I also feel like social commentary, jokes etc aren’t capable of influencing aviation business to a point of folding business. When well operated airlines suddenly go bust, it’s almost always because they are over leveraged and finances are spread thin, with no real capacity to deal will all the big unknowns of the world. War, pandemic etc anything can happen, and a business model needs to have enough liquidity and contingency plan for those times. Unfortunately even big airlines aren’t maintaining this standard to the level expected and had to be bailed out during covid. But as I understand with spirit, it was a combination of things but mostly that it doesn’t have wiggle room to keep itself afloat in less ideal situations. So this is the predictable outcome sooner or later.
I hope you will get a good opportunity with another airline and wish you all the best.
Cascadeflyer61@reddit
My daughter has been nonreving her whole life. She bought a ticket on Spirit, it was a 10 hour epic cancellation meltdown!!
She said never again, not the first time I have heard horrendous stories about Spirit’s awful customer service.
I’m not very sympathetic about a third tier airline that does a poor job with the flying public.
fffluuu@reddit
Bro is Spirit Airlines strongest soldier
GreatMinds1234@reddit
I know exactly how you feel. I used to work for TWA. After the TWA800 crash you could feel the turbulence of the corporate and government plannings/shenanigans, the route sales and the destination cutting. Still, I've never believed the writing on the wall can be so true. Well, it is...
Easy_Money_@reddit
I never flew them but I am sorry to see Spirit go; more competition always serves the customer. Sadly, Spirit failed to adapt to the competitive landscape. The majors adopting basic economy fares meant that they had fairly comparable prices, robust frequent flyer programs, better networks, and more convenient frequencies. Spirit had to upgauge and acquire new aircraft to compete, and costs ballooned to where the ULCC model stopped being viable. Allegiant is able to make it work by not serving the same city pairs as major/legacy carriers.
This plus the massive growth in post-pandemic premium international demand meant that Spirit had no moat to defend. The JetBlue merger might have been a lifeline, but Spirit would still have disappeared as a ULCC. Spirit failed itself, and we’re all going to be worse off because of it. I hope this creates some opportunities for B6 to grow at FLL, but realistically, it probably won’t.
Rafikis_Ass@reddit
They were nice to commute on. One time the FAs got to the everyone look under their tray table for a yellow sticker bit. No one had it. They asked again and I checked mine. Of course me, an airline pilot, in uniform for another airline would get the free round trip. Cashed it in for a positive space commute thank you NK!
Starbuck320@reddit
All the comments about customer service third missed the second point. You have to take care of your employees if you want your employees to take care of the customers.
Hire people who like people, who exhibit active empathy and don’t think “not my job” in their first 10 considerations of any problem. Then treat them well. Customer service will follow.
Spirit pilot’s are well thought of in the industry. The training at NKS serves them very well at other airlines.
asmrhead@reddit
I feel like Spirit let its employees down. Good pilots don't guarantee a good business model and neither does "customer service third".
ATrainDerailReturns@reddit
I always flew Spirit
idgf about checked luggage or legroom just get me to Vegas/Florida/Texas as cheap as possible
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
I removed myself from flight operations because of mental health concerns. It was the only out.
You want to know the real reason? Nobody listens to me. I have never once had a captain or a chief pilot acknowledge a mistake. I’ve never once been given the authority to truly make command decisions because I was always trained to go to the chief pilot
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
Sounds like your shitty company needs to learn about crew resource management
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
I literally just said I removed myself from flight operations.
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
But you said that you were trying to go to the chief pilot
Shouldn't you guys have been trained with crew resource management?
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
Yea, I’m gonna delete that. It’s it’s not true
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
But you just said it was the case
ScaryFro@reddit
Irrationally defensive
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
Let it die with their thousands of jobs and the only check on legacy prices. Let it die
chairman-me0w@reddit
Maybe those more pilots in the market will drive down wages and make it cheaper to fly. Win win
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
Yeah it's too bad the company wasn't better because then thousands of jobs wouldn't happen lost. But the company was shitty so it's their fault thousands of people are losing their jobs
Imaginary_Amoeba3461@reddit
I used to work there.
IMO, ULCC’s have their place in the market. There’s a group of travelers who have the fees figured out, and only have a small backpack. Maybe visiting a relative and you already have some items there as an example. Those people will definitely miss it.
That being said the constant negative PR, while being free publicity isn’t sustainable. I still think Frontier treats their customers worse than Spirit does at least based on what I saw, but they’ve managed to not be as much of a punching bag.
I do hope it pulls though somehow.
IAmPandaKerman@reddit
That's exactly how I used it. I lived in south Florida and had some family in NYC. Round trip for less than 100. Unbeatable
sheebzus0@reddit
Frontier’s GoWild Pass and nicer looking planes is probably why people look at them as one notch higher than Spirit
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
No they just suck
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
You sure about that? How many accidents?
They took themselves seriously. You all made it a joke
Senior-Cantaloupe-69@reddit
Yes, I’m sure they truly suck
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
Naw they just suck
Senior-Cantaloupe-69@reddit
If customers come third, you deserve to fail. On time flights are what matter. Spirit was known to be terrible for that. So, they deserve to fail for that too
lightningzap66@reddit
spirit saved me multiple thousands of dollars over my time flying with them. Unfortunate that I get to see my family less now that they're gone
PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ@reddit
You're right. Having JetBlue blocked was the nail in the coffin and people will reflect on Spirit's low fares fondly in a few years.
Coconutrugby@reddit
no passenger fatalities in its history since 1983
they were doing something right.
UpdateDesk1112@reddit
Tried to fly Spirit twice. Both flights were cancelled while I was at the airport and I was offered to travel 2 days later. For Friday to Sunday weekend trips.
Spirit has no one to blame but themselves.
CagedDaddy702@reddit
Spirit is like that new city bus route that comes into your neighborhood which exists solely for the purpose of bringing in people who don't belong there. Good riddance.
el_infidel@reddit
Terribly uncomfortable nonreclining seats and getting nickeled and dimed at every bend…I gave up on Frontier and Spirit.
warped150@reddit
A real shame if it folds. People love to hate on them, but they fufilled a need and would be a good choice for certain routes. I've flown on Spirit about a dozen times over the years and they were safe and mostly reliable transportation for a good price, addon fees included. Never flew them enough to get screwed, but I have been burned by all the majors at some point. Hope they pull through!
aerostarlegacy@reddit
My parents booked a flight with Spirit to see the eclipse over a year in advance. When all the flight prices started to skyrocket closer to the the day of the eclipse, Spirit canceled their flight and offered them a flight for 3 days after the eclipse.
I cannot ever fly with an airline that would do that.
mduell@reddit
Bet they didn’t, certainly not with Spirit.
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
They're crazy part is is they should have known this in advance. I mean you can predict eclipses thousands of years in the future. Spirit should have known.
Hell they should have had software that detected surges in bookings and had someone figure out why.
Scriefers@reddit
They should have, but didn't. And thats just another reason why the market damned Spirit and rooted for them to fail.
TheGoodspeed15@reddit
It's just crazy to me they didn't have software set up. Like I work in IT and we have monitoring tools to detect if anything out of a normal expectation comes up. Even if nothing's broken alerts still go out
It's just crazy to me that an airline wouldn't have some tool in place to detect when 20 million people are trying to buy a ticket within the same couple day time span
Also I saw the eclipse and it was fantastic
US-CabinCrew@reddit
Things that didn’t happen. Airlines sell tickets 6 months in advance.
woofyc_89@reddit
Yea “over a year” doesn’t make sense. Not sure you can book that far
mduell@reddit
I’m torn Pratt put them in a real bad place, like several others, and the Biden DOJ pursuing the legally correct antitrust lawsuit really doomed them, or vice versa.
us1549@reddit
I will never forget how the crew treated my family during COVID. Pilots blindly backing their flight attendants when they were clearly lying about passengers'disruptive behavior.
I cannot wait for the lights to go out for the last time
Ludicrous_speed77@reddit
Customer service came third, at NK?
Morganrow@reddit (OP)
They legit made me laugh after I read that again. Might have a point
Spiritual_Ad5511@reddit
According to Wallethub, which isn't that reputable- but in 2025 it did come third in on-time performance and reliability on Cirium so, counts for something.
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