O'Hare announcement from FAA: airlines will need to cut 10% of planned Summer 2026 flights
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DiverDownChunder@reddit
O'hare, the worst airport I have never made a connecting flight. Was a field engineer, I NEVER, not ONCE made a connecting flight in that airport.
I will day this the ground staff is lovely, I got my first upgarde to First Class to LA there. I was one of a group missing our connecting flight. People were acting like spoiled children to the staff. Mean bitching crying and everyone was given a voucher and a flight out the next day.
I walk up being a reasonable person and basically said "Ok I'll fly out tomorrow like everyone else". No vitriol, just clocked the situation and why act like an ass? I mean really they are just doing their job.
I got pulled aside by the agent and handed me a FC ticket to a flight in 90 minutes. Just because I was nice, take that in. Be nice people, I was a prick for years, it got me nowhere.
ABoutDeSouffle@reddit
And of course, you'd earn downvotes for that.
DiverDownChunder@reddit
Its reddit, I expect nothing less at this point. But thank you for your comment, I appreciate it. Take care my friend!
ABoutDeSouffle@reddit
o7
I find this sub extremely harsh and abrasive when it comes to downvotes, to the point that I comment less. I don't usually care a lot about that, but in here, completely harmless comments predictably get downvotes.
Ah well, enjoy the weekend :)
DiverDownChunder@reddit
And this is why I comment so much, its a cooling tactic and I won't play their game. No shade, it would be less taxing on my mental health/soul if I just ignored them. But Like the ArchAngel Michael I'm built for battle so here I am.
HelioFilter@reddit
I have a flight to ORD booked in June. Should I be worried it’ll get delayed/cancelled?
Valuable_Strike7462@reddit
Well obviously if they have have to cancel 10%
fresh_like_Oprah@reddit
Bring back the 747!
ABoutDeSouffle@reddit
It's called B777X
dawn_thesis@reddit
flying causes climate change, full stop.
think sounds like great news for the planet.
sucks for certain rich americans, I guess.
indianmcflyer@reddit
You're stupid
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gretafour@reddit
The gate layout at ORD just creates too many bottlenecks and jams. It’s simply not designed for that many operations
phantomfigure@reddit
I was at the ATL D gates today and it's no better. The gate agents had to tell us repeatedly to move onto the carpets to not block the passerbys. Problem is there was no room on the carpet. It was just very chaotic and overcrowded. I feel bad for gate agents. It's obviously not an easy job.
gretafour@reddit
I was referring to the airplane side of things, but I know what you mean. Atlanta has an ideal layout for aircraft movement. The terminals are too narrow inside though as you said
Ordinary_Kyle@reddit
Airport design in the US is absolutely awful, they seem to not understand that plenty of people have to spend time in the airports and not just getting into their planes and leaving.
overseas airports have spaces for people to exist to be out of the way while waiting for their plane, be that a 1 hour wait for a 10 hour wait.
azswcowboy@reddit
Well I guess that’s one take, but I really dislike European airports largely. Admittedly 1/2 my issue is the frequent ‘get off onto tarmac in weather onto a bus’, followed by a 15 minute diesel bus tour of the airport to finally arrive at a gate. Like really, who designed that? Oh and inevitably there’s a train ride after that to baggage etc.
The other half of my problem, to your point, is the mall or gathering area where they literally hold all the people in a terminal because the departure gate is only shared 30 minutes before boarding. So we have an overcrowded area in a half empty building instead of distributing people around.
Narrow_Affect2648@reddit
Glares at Heathrow. I’ve never once said to myself you know what, I’m in an airport, guess I’ll buy some new Gucci flip flops.
azswcowboy@reddit
Duty free flip flops, genius! /s
Ordinary_Kyle@reddit
I'm thinking asian airports, but yes, the bus thing is awful.
azswcowboy@reddit
Fair enough. I’ve only been to the two Tokyo airports but no complaints there.
phantomfigure@reddit
My apologies. I commented too quickly without grasping the context. I appreciate the response!
PowwowPuffer@reddit
Concourse D is in the process of being widened! You must have been in an old section
https://next.atl.com/projects/amazing-test-expansion/
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/concourse-d-expands-hartsfield-jackson-atlanta-international-airport/KTAK4OMW6RA2VBGDPWCNYFLPZA/
ForeverJFL@reddit
I was there for the first time last summer and noticed that! One section looked much nicer than the rest haha. Cool stuff!
Narrow_Affect2648@reddit
It’s in the early stages of a several billion dollar overhaul.
Chockfullofnutmeg@reddit
Given its passenger count has increased 30% over the last 30 years, I’d be curious what they originally intended for.
relaximadoctor@reddit
D will be awesome once it's finished with construction. There are already parts of it that are super wide and upscale
SanibelMan@reddit
Was that at the north end or the south end? They just added a bunch of modular bits to the north half of the D Gates last year to make it as wide as the rest of the concourses, and it's supposed to be really nice. https://next.atl.com/projects/amazing-test-expansion/
phantomfigure@reddit
It was D10 so I believe that would be the South end.
Any_Sale2030@reddit
Probably due to the fact that even the 747 had under 200’ wingspan while just about every wide body today is about the same or larger than the 747. Just not enough room for big wings on planes today. Bigger wings for better fuel efficiency.
greatlakesailors@reddit
So.... last summer they tried running 2,680 flights a day and that meant over 40% of the flights were delayed.
The airlines said "ok let's try 3,080 flights a day this year."
The FAA said "eff that, guys, the capacity just doesn't exist. 2,708 a day, tops."
Seems like a pretty sensible call by the FAA ....
malcontentII@reddit
And yet, they were allowing unlimited flights into Newark for years.
audio-nut@reddit
EWR is a level 2 schedule facilitated airport.
BigDiesel07@reddit
What does this mean?
audio-nut@reddit
It means that the FAA can limit flights, just like at ORD, and, in fact, they are limiting flights into EWR.
https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/faa-extends-order-limiting-operations-newark-liberty-international-airport
DietCherrySoda@reddit
Ah ok.
And what does level 3 mean?
Throwawayforapppp@reddit
Found this on https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ato/service_units/systemops/perf_analysis/slot_administration/slot_administration_schedule_facilitation
"Under the WSG, airports are classified into one of three categories based on the degree of congestion and potential for delays:
Level 1 is assigned where the capacity of airport infrastructure is generally adequate to meet demand and therefore there is no extensive pattern of delays;
Level 2 is assigned where there is potential for congestion during some periods of the day, which can be managed through mutual cooperation of the carriers with the schedule facilitator to ensure scheduling within the airport's capacity; and
Level 3 is assigned where infrastructure is inadequate to meet demand and there is significant potential for delays requiring mandatory slot controls."
DietCherrySoda@reddit
Thanks!
ForearmDeep@reddit
My understanding is that they facilitate at a level of 2 when they airport
jeremiahfelt@reddit
And the airport authority tried to continue that pace while rehabbing 4L/22R refusing to scale back slots commensurate with a major runway being out of service. Perhaps if the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey had done the sensible thing of planning operations to match capabilities, the FAA would not have needed to intercede.
Alas.
audio-nut@reddit
Does the PANYNJ have any authority to limit operations?
jeremiahfelt@reddit
They are the airport authority, so yes- infact, they not only have the authority, but the responsibility to do so.
Tornadic_Outlaw@reddit
They run/lease the airport, so yes.
cluttered-thoughts3@reddit
Port Authority only cares about 💰💰
AlphSaber@reddit
So they saw the 40% delay, and went 'Let's try shoving 400 more flights a day this year.' Were they going for a 100% delay rate?
Sasquatch-d@reddit
The real answer, ORD allots coveted gate space upon market share, so United and American are running far too many flights than allowable to not only win more gates, but also not lose gates to each other.
imaguitarhero24@reddit
Chicagoans win by having a shit ton of flight time options everywhere.
Chiss5618@reddit
As long as you're fine with your flight being an hour late
nauticalfiesta@reddit
being an hour late is mostly because of the taxi time. You land in Kenosha and then taxi the rest of the way in.
intern_steve@reddit
That's funny, but isn't true. The delays are waiting for gates to open, and at peak hours, getting into and out of the alleys. Landing 27R is about a 5 mile taxi, and that does take time, but not that much. The problem is that United and American are scheduling every gate they have with near-minimum turn times and almost no open gates kept in reserve. One flight delays getting out for maintenance and the inbound is delayed parking. Maybe that inbound has an excessive number of wheel chairs on board, so it takes longer to deplane than planned, so the next flights delay gets longer. No worries, the next one will board faster and make up time! No it won't. The planning is already assuming the plane boards as fast as possible, and when you're moving 200 people, averages kick in and it difficult to improve that number a great deal. Delays stack all morning long with a little break, and again all evening. Meanwhile, out on the taxiways, ground has more planes to control than there is radio time to talk to and the K alley just got blocked by a wide body aircraft push. Anyone parking in that alley now gets to wait ten minutes for a 787 to move off the gate at it's stately pace and start both of those great big engines, run a checklist or two, and for ground to find a home big enough to slide 250' of aluminum into. This airport sucks. Everybody is doing great, the pilots, the controllers, mx, the rampers, but the airport is just way over served for its 1960s terminal configuration.
Navydevildoc@reddit
This is the really nice thing about flying in on a minor player at ORD like Alaska. They only have a handful of gates and don't overbook them. You get in and out easy peasy.
nauticalfiesta@reddit
last time I flew Alaska into ORD we still had a ground tour, the upside no worries about missing a connection though.
nauticalfiesta@reddit
I had a flight from ATW-ORD and the taxi time was legitimately longer than the flight time. This was over the winter. With the construction if you land on 27R its gonna be a drive.
robertlp@reddit
You wrote a lot of text but I landed in O’Hare 2 weeks ago and it took 35 mins to get to my gate and the plane pretty much moved the entire time.
intern_steve@reddit
The time between 27R or 10R and the gate was built into your flight block at O'Hare, it didn't cause a delay. The physical length of the taxi has nothing to do with the chronic delays through Chicago. It's entirely possible that your extra time taxiing was just soaking up time for a gate to open or an alley to clear.
perfectviking@reddit
It’s my primary airport, have almost never had a delay getting out.
Sasquatch-d@reddit
Departing isn’t the issue, gate holds for arriving flights are the biggest issue
Easy_Money_@reddit
No problem, just take a 49 mile taxi around the airport and your gate will be free by the time you arrive
Kooky_Membership9497@reddit
I swear, last fall we taxied for about an hour and a half. I saw literally every corner of the airport.
CrotchalFungus@reddit
Ahh, the ATL method. I've done 2 laps around the ramp waiting on a gate before.
imaguitarhero24@reddit
You joke but you could probably realistically taxi 15+ miles if they have to zig zag
DietCherrySoda@reddit
How do you think departing aircraft are generated?
1z0z5@reddit
Which makes the turns ultimately late. The later in the day the departure is, the more chance it has to be delayed.
Mornings run like clockwork. Evenings are a cluster.
Sasquatch-d@reddit
Not if the turn time is padded, which they usually are.
perfectviking@reddit
That is for sure the truth. I’ve had my fair share of nightmares on arrivals. My favorite of late is United into T2 and having to walk to T1 for my bags.
imaguitarhero24@reddit
I mean better than waiting 6 hours until the evening flight lol
AGEdude@reddit
I would rather plan to spend another 6 hours at home resting or being productive than to sit in the plane for an extra hour unplanned.
SubarcticFarmer@reddit
Instead you can wait 6 hours for the mid day flight to leave in the evening.
DietCherrySoda@reddit
Is the median delay 360 minutes?
denzik@reddit
I'm sure it isn't but also more delayed flights overall would also mean more extremely delayed flights
groovemonkeyzero@reddit
It’s nice
well-that-was-fast@reddit
Exactly.
A couple years back AA asked for a reasonable number of gates and UA asked for a more than required and ORD just gave them what they asked for instead of questioning UA's request.
The end result is AA got screwed and now is suing and trying to buy more gates from Spirit, etc and UA has publicly said they will fly as many flights as required to block AA from getting more.
Not sure how ORD got so off the rails on award gates, but clearly it's causing weird airline behavior now.
perfectviking@reddit
Let’s speed up the completion of the additional gates first.
memostothefuture@reddit
private companies don't care about anything but the revenue they can generate just now. that's why you have 29% APR credit cards. whatever happens next is irrelevant to them.
Martinblade@reddit
Well considering that I missed my flight home yesterday because my first flight of the day was delayed twice by O'Hare. I'm very happy at the decision.
My inbound plane was delayed coming from O'Hare before landing at my starting airport, then delayed arriving into O'Hare for my connection.
They can run more flights once they figure out how to stop getting them delayed.
Mediocre-Catch9580@reddit
Don’t fly often but when I do I try to stay away from places like Chicago and Atlanta.
bobonabuffalo@reddit
South Suburban Airport, finally?
well-that-was-fast@reddit
ORD is in the middle of giant expansion / rationalization. Things will improve when finished, unlikely anyone would sign up for another airport while ORD is expanding.
nogood-usernamesleft@reddit
Why not GYY or PWK?
intern_steve@reddit
ARR, DPA, and RFD all make way more sense to expand access, IMO. Northwest Indiana already has SBN.
nogood-usernamesleft@reddit
GYY and PWK are closer to Chicago, so better for taking load off of ORD (and MDW)
ARR is a good call, it has room to expand, and could be linked with a simple extension of Metra's BNSF line
perfectviking@reddit
PWK is tiny.
MatthewMateo@reddit
RFD…
Green_Strawberry2330@reddit
LOT / Lewis university
aaronhayes26@reddit
It’s GYY’s time to shine, baby!!!
Patient_Series_8189@reddit
No way the state of Illinois would allow this with Indiana trying to steal the bears. They'll put the 3rd airport development into overdrive if they have to
intern_steve@reddit
The South suburban airport should not happen. Cmv.
IM_REFUELING@reddit
Honestly GYY is pretty goated. Really nice FBO that will summon rental cars for you so you can drive straight off and never set foot in the city of Gary.
Radiant-Month-1168@reddit
GYY needs to team up with purdue for a flight school and having a flight to ORD. Get your rental cars or parking at GYY and connect at ohare. I would do this instead of paying the high rental car taxes at ord.
GreatScottGatsby@reddit
More like rockford. UPS and other corporations already have a presence at rockford international and it has been rapidly being built up.
PanicSwtchd@reddit
Airlines don't care about delays as much as they are about # of butts in # of chairs. 40% of those asses being late is not nearly as relevant to them as having 2700 flights worth of butts vs 3000 flights.
Good on the FAA for not letting them offload the delays onto the system to deal with.
BitterMojo@reddit
The solution is simple. Chop regional frequency and upgauge.
eneka@reddit
Meanwhile at United : "United Expects Biggest Summer Yet at Chicago O'Hare, Growing to Record 750 Flights Per Day" lol
https://www.united.com/en/us/newsroom/announcements/cision-125436
nebke@reddit
I don’t think they ever planned to actually do that schedule
Fun-Cauliflower-1724@reddit
Start flying into Rockford
Chairboy@reddit
Ghost of Meigs: [dark chuckle]
viktor72@reddit
This is just a reminder to me that I really need to book my Summer flights like yesterday.
Worshipme988@reddit
U aren’t going. April events arent priced in yet. Two more weeks of god knows what ?
Fuel and energy will be scaled back from all directions. Diesel is ~$5.50/gal. If they dont have big swings toward successful talks, the energy shocks are going to dwarf 1973.
pinchevato57@reddit
I booked my labor day flights two months ago
FluxCrave@reddit
Maybe the airlines should learn to fly bigger planes instead of flying to Dallas all on the 737
MazeRed@reddit
Sounds like I’m flying into Milwaukee and taking the train in
sup3rjub3@reddit
but but but number must always go up!!!?!
antariusz@reddit
honestly, it's not even the "total" number of the flights, but the timeframes that they all want to be there at the same time. If they extended their timeframes out another 2 hours past the busy times the total number wouldn't be the issue... but then again, not many people want to fly at 1am
ChinaCatProphet@reddit
Fuel prices: I gotchu fam!
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