Which M4 you grabbing for home defense

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GrimmurThingz@reddit

the benelli loaded with birdshot, its less busy and i wouldnt wanna risk over penetration.

then again i am just a kid😭

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Useful-Ad-2274@reddit

Shotgun of course. I will never understand how firearms specifically designed for close quarters shootouts in confined spaces like shotguns and subguns have somehow been usurped by rifles.

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1) Body armor 2) capability (can do much more than CQB, speed in every facet, NVG compatible, accuracy, ammo you can carry on you). 3) capacity (4 perps and you miss once you’re stuck reloading a shitty mechanism, drawn out fight and “”)

If fight goes further than the room you’re in, you want the best tool in your hands

Hell, I’d take the right handgun over a shotgun.

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SiegfriedArmory@reddit

I'm not John Wick, nobody is sending a kill squad to my house

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mastrait48@reddit

My response is to the questions posed in the comment “how did guns designed for CQB get usurped by rifles”. I’m simply pointing out that I think these capabilities are the RCA.

I don’t mean to say “everyone should be training to fight John Wicks opponents”.

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Useful-Ad-2274@reddit

Body armor? Night vision? A whole squad of dudes?

Brother who are your ops? That ain’t home burglars that’s a SWAT team. Ain’t no burglars wearing battle rattle and they sure as shit ain’t gonna see two of their homies get their shit blown smooth off and say “nah I’m still coming for that TV”

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itsyaboyivan@reddit

got a good chuckle out of this

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mastrait48@reddit

Denying the Swiss Army knife aspect of an AR vs a shotgun is silly. That’s not what we’re talking about, right? Its capabilities on a general battlefield far exceed any shotgun. If you have one weapon to take to battle, the choice is obvious.

My point is that the Swiss Army knife has outweighed the sledge hammer, resulting in the diminishing use of the later. I can’t carry two, so I prepare one.

If you think the speed of an AR and shotgun are comparable, you’re either a USPSA champ or don’t know what you’re talking about.

As far as training with/for NVG use, with a suppressor, or with/against body armor - what is the issue here? Sounds like one group is training for defense against home intruders and the other is training for…something else entirely.

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bl0odredsandman@reddit

Dude, we aren't in a John Wick movie. You aren't going to have a group of NVG wearing, armored up guys storming your house unless it's the cops or the feds. Even if you do, most modern AR500 or ceramic body armor will stop 5.56 easy anyways so the armor debate is kinda useless. You're just going to have to do the same thing you'd do with a shotgun anyways and aim for the appendages or head.

Swiss Army knife aspect of an AR vs a shotgun

Shotguns ARE the Swiss army knives of firearms. I get that rifles and shotguns are two completely different categories, but at least right now rifles still aren't as versatile as a shotgun is. Rifles are more like a very nice Samurai sword.

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Useful-Ad-2274@reddit

The whole post is about home defense not fighting in a war. Idk why you’re talking about any of this.

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mastrait48@reddit

My response was to a comment about “why shotguns had been usurped by weapons not designed specifically for CQB” - all of these things details my thought process behind why that happened.

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wiscopunk@reddit

Capacity in a high stress situation is really the only benefit. Speed and compactness is still available in shotguns but you are admittedly further limiting capacity. Not hard to set a shotgun up with an IR laser for nvg and there's an abundance of options for keeping some quick reload rounds on you (like the what op has pictured). Also, anything that is gonna stop a 1oz slug is also gonna stop a 5.56 in which case I personally would rather shatter their whole sternum rather than knock the wind out of them. A rifle is amazing but I can't think of any reason a common home invasion would involve a crew rolling more than three deep with body armor, high capacity rifles, expert stacking, and special forces level maneuvering of an unfamiliar environment.

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First-Ad-7855@reddit

Largely because a rifle isn't bad in CQB, and is a lot better at range. It's versatile.

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PictureElegant3033@reddit

Shotgun.

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Additional-Tackle-76@reddit

You know as someone with 5 different shotgun builds, I’m grabbing my Stribog sp45a3. It’s suppressed and .45 HST loads should do the job just right. But second choice is a 12 gauge. Love me some gauge

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RegardedCaveman@reddit (OP)

You got a pic

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Additional-Tackle-76@reddit

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SiegfriedArmory@reddit

Hot

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sea_5455@reddit

That is very nice.

Presume it's hearing safe as well?

Just getting into cans, but pleasantly surprised at 147g out of a glock 47 with a huxwrx

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Additional-Tackle-76@reddit

Yes. It sounds like a nail gun being fired. Completely hearing safe, even indoors.

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sea_5455@reddit

Chef's kiss

Perfection. Excellent set up!

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TouchMyPlumbus@reddit

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Righteous_Mushroom@reddit

300 blk better trajectory/BC and range than 45 and same/better effectiveness depending on range

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Additional-Tackle-76@reddit

I mean depending on the loading but the pros of .45 could be that all ammo is subsonic, ammo is generally cheaper & available, and I already stockpile .45. I also only have a max range in my house of 20-25 yards.

So for me it makes more sense than 300 BO. Plus the Stribog is just so cool lol.

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Righteous_Mushroom@reddit

All valid points. I do think 45 is underrated for sub guns.

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Additional-Tackle-76@reddit

Tell me about it. It was tricky because 9mm is everywhere. I wanted a .45 scorpion cause I love CZ but that’s when I discovered Stribog. Basically a better UMP. My MW2 dream gun lol

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Righteous_Mushroom@reddit

They do look cool, but ya probably twice the price to shoot compared to 9mm. And now with FRTs... subguns just made a huge comeback for the civilian folk

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GenericUsername817@reddit

Dependa on how long my hallway is

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RegardedCaveman@reddit (OP)

Does your hallway change length

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GenericUsername817@reddit

It's haunted.

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RegardedCaveman@reddit (OP)

In that case you might want a SxS shotgun loaded with rock salt and garlic

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GenericUsername817@reddit

Should I go with Winchester or will any brand do?

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RegardedCaveman@reddit (OP)

Any will do but the Winchesters come factory blessed by an exorcist

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SpiderJerusalem747@reddit

Is that why my wife turned into sand after she held my Winchester?

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NiftyFiftyBMG@reddit

I would get that looked at... maybe see a priest.

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SpiderJerusalem747@reddit

Nah it happened before.

She's reforms elsewhere in the house with a new hair color.

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NiftyFiftyBMG@reddit

Neat trick. What are the colors on offer?

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SpiderJerusalem747@reddit

She alternates between shades of blonde and being a redhead.

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A_Queer_Owl@reddit

always thought it was funny their name was Winchester but the magic maguffin gun was a Colt. all they needed was a Remington and they got the big three.

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NiftyFiftyBMG@reddit

Ohh how the great have fallen

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cindysyrup@reddit

Mmm...I mean Dean carries a 1911 and Sam carries a Beretta 92FS so, Yes.

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mikemitch38@reddit

Is that a CZ hammer coach? Do you have any issues with your hammers peening ?

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RegardedCaveman@reddit (OP)

Yes mine look like that but no misfires after 1k+ rounds

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JBCTech7@reddit

load the shells with benedryl and send your attacker to meet the hat man.

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BantedHam@reddit

Don't forget the snub nose .38 with the silver bullets

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SpiderJerusalem747@reddit

You'd think we'd have some major hurdles with finding the ammunition to fight of paranormal threads.

Turns out, just yetting fire and hot lead at things works just as well! Just make sure the fireball is big enough.

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ZarekTheInsane@reddit

Don't forget the silver shavings.

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roostersnuffed@reddit

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Useful-Ad-2274@reddit

Bro if you’ve got a hallway longer than 25 yards you’re already paying someone else for your home defense.

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shmiddleedee@reddit

Shit, 25 yards is already long as fuck. I don't think I've been in many houses with a 15 yard hallway.

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NiftyFiftyBMG@reddit

D***, you guys have hallways.

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HairyContactbeware@reddit

If you got a hallway longer than 25 yards you got money to pay a agency for home defense

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Stellakinetic@reddit

I keep my yard outside, not in the hallway

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John_from_YoYoDine@reddit

this is the answer

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Redd_BrownellsGT@reddit

best answer.

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Late-Ad-5850@reddit

Shotgun, but imma use birdshots. Makes less mess so easier to clean upp

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RegardedCaveman@reddit (OP)

what number birdshot? I wouldn't go any smaller than #4

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Late-Ad-5850@reddit

I prefer number #5 its a good all around number, hare, birds, humans, cars.

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MBeebeCIII@reddit

The shotgun. But everything behind the pistol grip has to go.

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DashMcGee@reddit

Dude, I have two arms for a reason.

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IANvaderZIM@reddit

Meet Des and Troy

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Brick-Pickle@reddit

I respect this answer bigly

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Super_Raccoon_2890@reddit

The shorter one

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SurviveAdaptWin@reddit

so... niether of the ones pictured?

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Unhappy_Voter@reddit

🤣👌

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Lower-Ad-1300@reddit

Expecting the zombie invasion ? Your rounds are going in your neighbors house. Use a 15-17 rd 9mm. Or better still a 380. At least it won’t hit an innocent bystander

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CommunalJellyRoll@reddit

Dildo.

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Armand5005@reddit

12 ga. Brings the deal to a quick close….

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Boston__Massacre@reddit

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Ok_Complex4374@reddit

Only correct answer

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Ok_Complex4374@reddit

Home defense? Meaning inside my four walls? Gimme that nelli and some 00 😮‍💨

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BadAndNationwide@reddit

M4A1 Sherman. The one with the 76mm.

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fordag@reddit

12 gauge > 5.56mm

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ospfpacket@reddit

Inside the house the shorty outside the house the M4

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antherx2@reddit

I like my limited hearing

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Chief__04@reddit

“Shotguns with the right load at the right range will rip a chunk of your opponents flesh an throw that shit on the floor”

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Divenity@reddit

The one that wont blow out my eardrums.

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SentinelZero@reddit

100% the Benelli; shotguns in CQB just work better and the M4 is much more maneuverable and I dont have to worry about overpen with the AR.

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Bubbabeast91@reddit

The rifle, partly because I'm not familiar with that specific shotgun, but very familiar with an AR, partly because I'm barely proficient with shotguns in general, and partly because the AR is a good choice anyway, though I'm not a fan of the ACOG if I'm being honest.

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Real-Swimmer-579@reddit

Benelli. No questions asked. The Colt is just too long with that suppresor. The noise is gonna suck but so is not being alive. I can deal with a tenitus flair up

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IntenseSpirit@reddit

Colt for bandits, Benelli for robot dogs

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PandorasFlame1@reddit

Yes. One for threats both foreign and domestic, one for crackheads.

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doppleron@reddit

Why not both? Ok, the silenced M4.

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RegardedCaveman@reddit (OP)

How many hands you got homie

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ChainringCalf@reddit

I see slings

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MushroomHealthy3263@reddit

“Ze Benelli” - some French guy in a movie I saw.

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stonecutter5258@reddit

Definitely the shotgun. I live in a manufactured home. But commenting on Regarded Caveman's loads... He says rocksalt and garlic. I would change one ingredient... instead of garlic i would use strips of bacon rind. Rock salt will penetrate skin and hurt like hell but the bacon rind will start to cook, boiling the fat due to air friction. When it hits skin ... first and second degree burns. I KNOW... it's not legal ... but its still interesting to think about😁😁😁

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patty_OFurniture306@reddit

Shotgun low risk of over pen, more terrifying sound esp if you go with a pump over semi. It's your house so you can train to clear with the longer weapon easily and likely a low need for long range shots. Even then make sure you have a full chime and you'll reach out to any normal house distance

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The1EyedWulF@reddit

Which one is technically a M777 155mm towed howitzer but identifies as an M4?

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John_from_YoYoDine@reddit

caliber replacement therapy ?

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HWKII@reddit

Musket is the objectively correct choice.

Just as the founding fathers intended.

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John_from_YoYoDine@reddit

tally ho!

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Sure-Record-8093@reddit

I just use claymores like a normal person

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John_from_YoYoDine@reddit

a two-handed claymore is a long-ish sword to use indoors

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Theworker82@reddit

Average crackhead or gangbanger wannabe, I prefer the Colt. T rex, Benelli.

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N226@reddit

Colt, easy. Larger capacity, easier to shoot/reload.

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AlphaTangoFoxtrt@reddit

Easy, the suppressed one.

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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KyleGarrickSAS@reddit

Colt M4

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minecraftrubyblock@reddit

M4A3 (105)

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Traditional_Time6254@reddit

Of the two in the photo, I would choose the Colt M4

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RiverDragon64@reddit

I’m taking the rifle. I don’t do shotguns.

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RabicanShiver@reddit

Shotgun at home. I don't need a round that travels 800 yards if I miss my shot and it goes out the kitchen window.

Turkey load will kill someone within my house, and likely not kill someone outside my house if the shot misses its mark.

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RegardedCaveman@reddit (OP)

Turkey load in a pump or semi?

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RabicanShiver@reddit

Pump

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Putrid_Bison352@reddit

Benelli, because i like my neighbors

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Revenger-86@reddit

M4 because I DON'T like my neighbors but want to be quiet about it

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Dad_a_Monk@reddit

Shotguns indoors are only loud the first time...

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Revenger-86@reddit

Then it's just EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Diablo_Saint@reddit

Both

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Independent_Bid_26@reddit

How much property do I have, and do I need to defend just the house, or do I have stuff in outbuildings?

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RegardedCaveman@reddit (OP)

Small suburb house

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Independent_Bid_26@reddit

Honestly? Neither. PCC, or handgun. If I absolutely had to choose, probably the AR because im most comfortable with that platform. I would want to have some 77 grain otm ammo or some shit. Either way its punching through walls.

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Comfortable-Story-53@reddit

The B-Word! 😂

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Old_Prune_4300@reddit

Shotgun less likely to get you convicted, normies are still scared of rifles.

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LilMsPopKornMan234@reddit

People down voting really don't think about the after effects when it comes to home defense. The jury no matter how much you wanna think otherwise will judge you based upon the weapon you use. They may be your peers but your peers are stupid. Pistols and hunting shotguns (has wood of some sorts) will always look better to the everyday man then the "big scary rifle" mass shooters use.

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ILikeScrapple@reddit

Not grabbing a rifle for inside the house

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LilJonny2cookies@reddit

I will either use full auto m16 10.3 with huxwrx or transferable MP5SD. Benelli is perfectly fine but I want the potential for lots of trigger pulls if necessary. Probably not but overkill is not a thing when defending the home.

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TacosNGuns@reddit

Four rounds of buck equals an entire AR mag.

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RegardedCaveman@reddit (OP)

Mr moneybags over here

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RegardedCaveman@reddit (OP)

Yeah I feel like rifles don’t belong in the house but also the shotgun is pretty loud so I’m on the fence

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Procks85@reddit

Auditory exclusion occurs in high stress situations so just start blastin homie !!

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Cdwollan@reddit

This doesn't prevent hearing damage

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Procks85@reddit

But it is sexy

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BBQSauce61@reddit

Doesn't help the reee later though...

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Procks85@reddit

WHAT!?

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TacosNGuns@reddit

Benelli 1st choice. It covers my entire 1/4 acre suburban lot. I’m avid bird hunter and clays shooter. I can hit ducks and doves out to 40+ yards and they are faster than anything on two legs. And they move in three axis’s not two.

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morganational@reddit

Benelli

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fanggaming22@reddit

Shotgun

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IrrationalQuotient@reddit

I’m taking Benny…the Italian.

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Revenger-86@reddit

I call mine, Berta

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RiveredNuts@reddit

Both

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Judoka229@reddit

Always the rifle. Even if the round overpenetrates, it's still only one hole to fix.

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NEp8ntballer@reddit

shotgun with light magnum slugs or low recoil 00 buck. Most people shot in the right place with those shotgun loads go direct to the morgue. Granted the right 5.56 bullet to center mass is also incredibly lethal, but Clint Smith had this to say on the matter

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icey773@reddit

Put a rmr on that acog boi

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Cdwollan@reddit

You don't need a red dot on an ACOG.

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Snowbold@reddit

In the house? Benelli.

On the property? Colt.

The length of the arms along with magnified optic are what makes me lean to this decision. Although, the sound will suck for double ought buck and slug rounds indoors.

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PoundHerSweetly@reddit

From what? Am I inside and someone is inside my home? Shotty. Is there some sort that d chaos outside on my street or Russians parachuting in from the sky? The rifle. Zombies? Rifle at the ready, shotty on a sling on my back.

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AnubisAntics@reddit

Whichever one has it's bayonet fixed.

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Familiar_Fee_7891@reddit

My buddy was a paramedic in Texas. Any shooting he was responding to he learned that if a shotgun was involved they could take their time getting to the victim. Didn’t matter if they went fast or slow. That’s how he told it.

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RuprectGern@reddit

Against whom?

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coldafsteel@reddit

Rifle. Always a rifle for HD.

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Uncle_Chael@reddit

Why? Because the "Sheriff of Baghdad" said so?

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Edwardteech@reddit

60 vs 8 before a reload.

Reload in one smooth motion.

Faster follow up shots.

Less likely to over pen and kill the neighbors fridge.

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Nailcannon@reddit

Are you shooting slugs? Try something like #4 buck. 27 pellets per shot. Won't over penetrate like buckshot, or underpenetrate like birdshot. I use a vepr-12, so the reload is the same.

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Drunken_Hamster@reddit

#1 buck is better. There have been several tests on this.

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Uncle_Chael@reddit

My closest neighbor is way outside the effective range of a slug 😂

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Uncle_Chael@reddit

Gen12 brother

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Edwardteech@reddit

Elaborate please.

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Uncle_Chael@reddit

Same reload

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Edwardteech@reddit

Na man na

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According_Loss_1768@reddit

Lmao love the idea of a D60 on a bedside rifle. But why stop at 60 when I can get a 100rd drummy?

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coldafsteel@reddit

Mmm no. The 60 rounders actually work pretty well.

They aren’t good “combat” mags. They are sensitive to dirt jamming them up. But for home use, yeah they are a great option.

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Edwardteech@reddit

60 is more manageable than a hundo

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coldafsteel@reddit

I guess I’m glad I don’t know who that is 🤷‍♂️

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Antique_Bee8466@reddit

I'd probably take the M4.

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kennypowersrevenge@reddit

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RacerXrated@reddit

Rifle

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TheBullpupGuy@reddit

People in here keep thinking they are going up against the Russian Spec Forces for a half baked, cracked out home intruder trying to steal your jewlery.

No you wont ever be shooting an enemy force in body armor trying to enter your home. And IF you ever were in that situation youre already dead. You vs a team of well armed and trained and body armored men wont end well for you. You arent John Wick. Stop acting like you are.

With that said, shotguns are and will always be the superior choice for CQC or anything needed to be done inside the confines of a home.

If I hear someone outside fucking around on my property than a rifle is the obvious choice. But for inside the home the 12ga will always be superior.

"Pistols put holes in people. Rifles put holes through people. Shotguns at the right range with the right load will physically remove a chunk of shit off your opponent and throw that shit on the floor." - Clint Smith

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CFishing@reddit

That’s cool grandpa.

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BlueOrb07@reddit

Depends? Can I take the can off? If no, the Benelli. If yes, the AR

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dc0de@reddit

The one that's currently loaded

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moving0target@reddit

I have an aversion to deafness and blindness.

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marksman1023@reddit

I have both.

When I lived close to a shotgun range, the Benelli.

I no longer live close to a range that permits shotguns and also isn't a skeet and trap range so I used to use the Colt.

Then I got a SIG MPX when the Army moved me an hour from the nearest range you could shoot a rifle at. And it's so short and handy and cheap to train with I use that now.

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wiscopunk@reddit

Load the Benelli with 1oz hollow point slugs. If you can't kill whatever comes through your door you can at least make it sit the fuck down!

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Glum_Source_7411@reddit

The one I can get to first.

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King-Twonk@reddit

Benelli for sure. Don’t get me wrong; I do like me a AR, but putting rounds through the target and potentially through the wall behind? That feels like a WAY too much collateral damage risk.

I do subscribe to the argument that the best home defence is the weapon you have to hand, so will probably be my P99 or Custom II, but planned ahead? The shotty wins the argument.

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AdeptusKapekus2025@reddit

Assuming your are using the normie 55g NATO bullet, 5.56 surprisingly doesn't penetrate much.

9mm FMJ and buckshot will go through more layers of drywall/plywood than 55g 5.56.

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djzl05l@reddit

The one i can legally have in VA after jul 6 🤦🏻‍♂️

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trustypipboy@reddit

I don’t like how far your light is set back on your Benelli. I prefer mine near the tip of the barrel to prevent shadowing. I use a tape switch to accommodate this. But it seems like it’s a decent system. I prefer the Benelli for HD. Just make sure you house is set up safe to accommodate it and your gtg.

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RegardedCaveman@reddit (OP)

The thing about the benelli it’s not easy to find quality light mounts that fit and survive stress testing, so you kind of take what you can get.

On the bright side I find this config lights up the front post pretty good which helps with aiming

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