The XB-70A successfully retracts its landing gear using a three-stage retraction cycle on 5 October 1965 during its second flight
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aleopardstail@reddit
it was an amazing aircraft, beautiful too which is rare. the amazing thing is the sodding size of it, its way larger than it looks
SirSourdough@reddit
penywisexx@reddit
The plane is truly massive…the Blackbird isn’t a small plane and it is dwarfed in size by the Valkyrie.
Notchersfireroad@reddit
Holy shit. I have got to get to Dayton. I've been underneath a SR71 many times and they are massive. Looks like a snack for the Valkyrie.
IndigoSeirra@reddit
What plane is that in the center bottom? It almost looks like the Dream Chaser spacecraft from Sierra Space.
bPChaos@reddit
I think Dream Chaser is in Denver? Or at least a copy of one when I was there.
percolater@reddit
It’s the SV-5J, a jet powered version of the Martin X-24A.
IndigoSeirra@reddit
Wow thanks for the information. This made me realize there are a lot of x-planes I've never heard of lol.
NGTTwo@reddit
And that was the smaller option, too - the original design concepts from both Boeing and NAA had massive jettisonable wingtip tanks and weighed about 340 tons fully fuelled. It was so ridiculous that Curtis LeMay remarked at the time, and this is a direct quote:
It took a boatload of additional research to come to the design that was eventually flown.
YalsonKSA@reddit
Oh yeah. Even with six engines they initially couldn't get it up to the desired speed. They tinkered with the design until they found a way of making it ride its own supersonic shockwave, an idea that may be the wildest thing I have ever heard in an aircraft.
Ornery_Year_9870@reddit
This is not correct. Compression lift using the shockwave was baked into the design by 1958 or so. XB-70 first flew in 1964. The first Mach 3 flight took place about a year later. It was a very cautious test program.
Syrdon@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_XB-70_Valkyrie#/media/File:WS-110_original_proposal.gif
Airplane or a Klingon ship in a new Star Trek? The fifties were a hell of a time to be an engineer.
YalsonKSA@reddit
If you read the development story for the SR-71, that thing was not so much developed as invented from the ground up. It was made out of titanium, pioneered stealth technology, radiated heat, had insane engines that almost acted like ramjets, used unique, specially developed fuel and was so fast that nobody really knew what its top speed was, because nobody had tried it. If somebody fired a missile at it, the countermeasure was to just go faster as by the time the missile reached where you had been, you'd be long gone. It remains one of the most remarkable things ever invented. It still boggles my mind thinking about it.
Jessica_T@reddit
I'm reminded of the pilot who described the B-36 as "Sitting on your front porch and flying your house around" while the B-47 handled almost like a fighter.
xerberos@reddit
That pilot must have had a big house!
geeseherder0@reddit
Bigger than the B-52
Sniperonzolo@reddit
What do you mean “beautiful too, which is rare”? Most airplanes are beautiful
aleopardstail@reddit
there are some fugly ones
Sniperonzolo@reddit
Agree, but I would say the ugly ones are rare, not the beautiful ones. The XB-70 is in the top 10 though!
aleopardstail@reddit
no arguments on this in the top 10
there are certainly some only a mother could love
Sniperonzolo@reddit
What’s the ugliest in your opinion (let’s stick to military jets that saw actual service). I’ll go with the Buccaneer and the two seat MiG-15
spectrumero@reddit
Buccaneer!? Ugly!?
Philistines.
aleopardstail@reddit
Fairey Gannet (turboprop) is probably there, the Boeing entry for the joint strike fighter too, that weird Soviet sub hunter than eventually got its wings clipped
that two seat MiG is an abomination unto Nuggen
Sniperonzolo@reddit
The X-32 woudl have looked pretty cool if it had entered production: https://www.twz.com/20971/this-is-what-a-boeing-f-32-wouldve-looked-like-if-lockheed-lost-the-jsf-competition
Not the definition of beautiful, but with plenty of character
aleopardstail@reddit
"plenty of character"...
yeeeaaasss...
Sniperonzolo@reddit
Lol
Cthell@reddit
Interwar france has entered the chat
Blasted-Banana@reddit
Seeing it in person at the Air Force museum just about took my breath away. Even in pictures it's hard to fully understand its size. It's the coolest plane in existence imo
Apexnanoman@reddit
It's absolutely unfathomable just how impressive it is until you see it in person.
If I was bezos or that level I'd have a replica built as my personal jet.
eagledog@reddit
Definitely one of those where getting it fully into a shot requires standing on the entire other side of the building
DESTRUCTI0NAT0R@reddit
It's a good damn thing that balcony/upper floor between building 3 and 4 is there.
aleopardstail@reddit
even if its not, its certainly a contender, looks like its waiting for the jump to hyperspace
Lord_Hardbody@reddit
I see that chase plane just off the XB-70 wingtip and I am fully clenched. Good god, hindsight truly is 20/20
TheKingofVTOL@reddit
For valid reason, the valkerie that was lost to the mid air collision with an f104 chase plane
workahol_@reddit
Yes that was parent commenter's point I think.
TheKingofVTOL@reddit
Correct, but other people coming into this thread might not know
StarConsumate@reddit
I am one of those people. What happened?
TheKingofVTOL@reddit
An f104 chasing the ball ended up colliding with it during a test flight
Here’s a video that breaks it down
https://youtu.be/7NYPWip7H2g?si=XrhuvW438Un3Vrj4
Radioactive_Tuber57@reddit
He got caught in a wake vortex, flipped to the left and collided with the Valkyrie. 😬😖
StarConsumate@reddit
Holy shit that is crazy and insanely sad.
Swan2Bee@reddit
more specifically, the aerodynamics of the XB70's unique wing geometry literally sucked the F104 into it.
StarConsumate@reddit
Yeah I looked up a visualization on it seems like the droop wing create a pretty powerful vortex at cruising speed
yoweigh@reddit
It's still helpful to anyone who doesn't know about it. Reddit communities tend to gatekeep random bits of information and look down on people who don't already have it.
Salt-Wish5140@reddit
F-104 that caused the incident. Not T-38
No_Indication9630@reddit
What about the low pressure contrail vortex you can see flickering above the leading edge of the XB-70.
Just rapidly spiraling away there.
Cthell@reddit
That's just normal delta-at-low-speed behaviour - there are a bunch of photos of Concorde on approach showing the same thing
shaymcquaid@reddit
Golden age of flight.🪄
BTP_Art@reddit
I love the xb70 but damn it seems like rotate, start retracting landing gear, open bay doors over target as landing gear finally retracts, drop bomb and start deploying landing gear again.
Xeelee1123@reddit (OP)
Source: https://youtu.be/MLp-WOqRy3Y
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_XB-70_Valkyrie
Sixshot_@reddit
Thank you for not destroying it with AI like others do.
kyflyboy@reddit
That chase pilot with his visor up is ridiculous. No wonder he's squinting like crazy. Put your damn visor down.
cbj2112@reddit
I’m all about making things more complicated- could be the German in me
WishDirect5243@reddit
A thing of beauty!
justhereforthecommz@reddit
Really talk about being complex or over engineered
Shaun_Jones@reddit
Complex? Sure. Over engineered? Hardly; every decision was made for a reason, and the swiveling landing gear takes up less vertical space inside the aircraft.
Professor-Subzero@reddit
It is breathtaking seeing this plane in person.
MrWoohoo@reddit
I would swear i saw one on display at Travel Town USA in Los Angeles in the early to mid seventies. It was big, had the delta plus canard configuration, and spaces for 6 engines (but none were installed). I know it wouldn’t have been a flyable one but maybe a mock up? They were built in Southern California. I haven’t able to track it down but does anyone else remember such a thing?
Federal_Cobbler6647@reddit
And now its time to fold wings!
Ok-Rough-2235@reddit
The main gear took 2 business days to retract. Valkyrie would be half way to it's mission by the time the bay doors fully closed. 😄
Federal_Cobbler6647@reddit
I think they did it on steps for the purpose of test.
fernchuck@reddit
half way, better start putting them back down to prepare for landing
Ok-Rough-2235@reddit
Exactly 🤣🤣
unperturbium@reddit
Which to me is weird. At first glance, there is that gigantic wedge that we could pack school buses in, but factor in those gigantic intakes that must have been exquisitely designed...
I am still wondering how much warload they could cram in that thing. I wouldn't be surprised if a B-52 or B-1 could take more volume, albeit while slow walking the strike package.
DingleBerrieIcecream@reddit
This seems like the result of designing the landing gear at the very end after all other airframe decisions were already made.
jared_number_two@reddit
I love the high altitude jet noise that runs in the back of old airplane documentaries.
fernchuck@reddit
holy smokes by the times its retracted they'll be ready to land and have to put it back down
NoDoze-@reddit
Three stage retraction? I only see two stages.
Double_Minimum@reddit
I imagine it’s rotate wheels-lift-close covers?
NoDoze-@reddit
I didn't think the covers counted as part of the wheel retraction.
unperturbium@reddit
The third stage is when the crew agrees they dont have to RTB.
NoDoze-@reddit
LOL funny.
YalsonKSA@reddit
The third stage is that once inside the landing gear doors the landing gear is ported to a pocket dimension specially created for it. Leaves more room for avionics and fuel.
NoDoze-@reddit
Ahhh I see. Thank you.
Dr_Adequate@reddit
Hammerspace!
Cooper-xl@reddit
It was a great looking plane
Misophonic4000@reddit
It still is
MoeSzyslakMonobrow@reddit
But it used to be too.
workahol_@reddit
Mitch??
unperturbium@reddit
Milder, go home. You're drunk.
the_spinetingler@reddit
what a time to be alive
RandoDude124@reddit
That looks like an engineering nightmare
jvttlus@reddit
there was a time when aviation engineering was about doing cool shit, not worrying about “maintenance” or “longevity”
justahdewd@reddit
I've always thought that's one of the most awesome looking planes ever built, I've seen an SR71 at a museum, it ranks up there too.
Accomplished_Sock293@reddit
The MIC collectively cried when this was canceled lol
xerberos@reddit
B-58: Hold my beer!
https://aviationhumor.net/the-fancy-convair-b-58-nose-gear-retraction/
72corvids@reddit
The Hustler's (still one of the best names in aviation history) landing gear was something that confounded me for years until the advent of YouTube. That trapeze system has a LOT of moving parts, but I'll be damned if it isn't an elegant solution!
mz_groups@reddit
Don't forget the nose gear.
"Listen to me - what if we put a nuclear weapon in the path of the nose gear's usual retraction cycle?"
qtpss@reddit
That plane was the stuff of dreams when I was a kid.
mz_groups@reddit
Good thing this thing has 6 engines, or an engine-out scenario have a bit of a pucker factor while waiting for the gear to retract.
AltDaddy@reddit
This is what we all thought the future was going to look like.
Even_Kiwi_1166@reddit
My beloved XB-70 😍 , this is making my day a little better