Recommendations needed
Posted by winterlady17@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 18 comments
Hello. I am the partner of a pilot in training who is starting his ATP training in May.
First thank you all for what you do. You put up with a lot but keep people safe and I’m sure you don’t hear that enough.
I would like to ask you all for some suggestions. I would like to make my “pilot in training” a school care package. He already has his iPad and his headset. Do you have other suggestions of things to include? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
x4457@reddit
Starting training with ATP Flight School?
The best suggestion you can give him is to not go to ATP flight school. Do not do not do not.
winterlady17@reddit (OP)
Yes, he is training with ATP flight school. I guess I need to do some post reading now though
Orca36@reddit
As someone who went through ATP and it worked for me (0 failures and done quickly) I can’t recommend it, the loan is absolutely criminal and impossible to pay as a CFI, and I was paid on the higher end CFIs out there.
ltcterry@reddit
Expensive. Poor training. Shitty reputation. Managers admit "resumes go straight in the trash."
Your partner needs to have a job, work full time, and pursue Private locally. If/when he finishes Private (there's an 80% drop out rate) *then* it's time to consider what's next.
The two of you need to watch this excellent video together.
Work. Save. Don't borrow money. Pay cash for training. Train a couple times a week. There is zero rush. No need to end up broke, in debt, and unemployed!
x4457@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/flying/wiki/index#wiki_what_about_atp_flight_school.3F
Read here.
Mrs_Fagina@reddit
Listen to your friend Billy Zane. He's a cool dude. He's trying to help you out
Hog_Cranka@reddit
OP listen to this guy. ATP schools get a bad rap for a reason.
HateJobLoveManU@reddit
ATP is fuckin trash dawg get the fuck out of there
phxcobraz@reddit
Giving him some money would be nice
Low_Sky_49@reddit
Get them a big banner to hang in the living room that says “intervention” and convince them to run like hell from ATP flight school. Seriously.
If they’re going to ATP because they can get a big fat loan and can repay it when they’re a highly paid airline first officer in just a few years, they need to rethink that decision. The low time pilot job market is fully saturated with hopeful pilots that missed the post-Covid hiring wave. There’s a very good chance your partner will take on all that debt, be unable to find a flying job, be unable to afford flying to stay current, and get chewed up and spit out by the industry with nothing to show for it but flight ratings and debt.
There are smarter ways to do this, with less exposure to crippling, life-altering debt. If they’re considering ATP for the speed of the program, and can pay for it without ATP’s loan, there are still smarter ways to do this.
ltcterry@reddit
u/winterlady17 this ^^^ is spot on.
ltcterry@reddit
u/winterlady17 - how do these responses compare with what you were expecting?
SkyMentorPilot@reddit
One of the things that helped me immensely in learning all that is needed for the airline interview as well as ATP training was regularly testing myself with flash cards.
I’ve been putting together a simple flashcard-style system for this—basically quick reps like you’d do for checkrides. Happy to share if you want.
discgolfpilot@reddit
Don't consign any loans for him.
VileInventor@reddit
With the current climate Id say ATP is a very risky bet if he’s getting a high interest loan. There’s no guaranteed jobs at the moment even at the end of this road. On top of horror stories from ATP. Pay as you go is definitely the way to go currently unless you’re going to a university for a degree. Anecdotally, aviation degrees are piss useless but do what you will. I’m sure some people will disagree with that.
Ok_Truck_5092@reddit
Hi! Don’t go to ATP.
TK3K216@reddit
Just to clarify is he starting his flight training at ATP the school?
Or is he already a pilot getting his ATP certificate?
If the former, I’d have him read the infinite posts about ATP flight school on this subreddit before enrolling. Possibly the best gift you could give.
rFlyingTower@reddit
This is a copy of the original post body for posterity:
Hello. I am the partner of a pilot in training who is starting his ATP training in May.
First thank you all for what you do. You put up with a lot but keep people safe and I’m sure you don’t hear that enough.
I would like to ask you all for some suggestions. I would like to make my “pilot in training” a school care package. He already has his iPad and his headset. Do you have other suggestions of things to include? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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