Israel and Lebanon agree to temporary ceasefire
Posted by debasing_the_coinage@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 140 comments
The way this was announced through my BBC notifications was funny: at 12:01 it was reported that the ministers were in Washington for talks and at 12:08 a ceasefire was announced.
Ok-Call-4805@reddit
I have no confidence whatsoever that Israel will keep the ceasefire. They don't know the meaning of the word. My guess, unfortunately, is that they'll be dropping bombs again within a day.
ElSunBloc@reddit
Lol ok buddy
Ok-Call-4805@reddit
You seriously trust Israel?
ElSunBloc@reddit
I trust that Israel is a rational actor and would much prefer the cheaper alternative to defeating hezbollah (ie diplomacy) than the more expensive (in both economic costs and political costs) alternative (ie war)
Ok-Call-4805@reddit
This is your mistake. Israel has never been a rational actor. They have always been the aggressor. The IDF are the biggest terrorists in the Middle East and they have shown time and time again that they are never to be trusted.
ElSunBloc@reddit
Name me one war israel started
IdiAmini@reddit
"Israel initiated the 1967 Six-Day War by launching a massive preemptive airstrike against Egypt on the morning of June 5, 1967"
Next question
I like playing games
ElSunBloc@reddit
Israel launched a preemptive strike against Egypt on June 5, 1967, to neutralize an imminent threat, believing war was inevitable following Egypt's closure of the Straits of Tiran, the expulsion of UN peacekeepers, and the buildup of Arab forces on its borders. Israel aimed to destroy the Egyptian air force on the ground to secure air superiority.
Key factors leading to the 1967 attack include: Closure of the Straits of Tiran: In May 1967, Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser closed this strategic waterway to Israeli shipping, an act Israel had previously declared a casus belli (justification for war).
Removal of UN Peacekeepers: Egypt demanded the withdrawal of the United Nations Emergency Force (UNEF) from the Sinai Peninsula, which had maintained a buffer along the border since 1956. Military Mobilization: Egypt mobilized substantial forces in the Sinai Peninsula, which Israel viewed as preparation for an imminent invasion.
Defense Pacts: Egypt signed defense pacts with Jordan and Syria, creating a united front that threatened Israel on multiple borders.
Regional Instability & Misinformation: Increased skirmishes and false intelligence reports (suggesting Israeli troop buildup against Syria) created intense diplomatic tension.
The strike began with Operation Focus, a surprise air assault that destroyed most of the Egyptian air force while still on the ground. The resulting Six-Day War concluded with Israel capturing the Sinai Peninsula, Gaza Strip, West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights.
IdiAmini@reddit
So, you agree Israel started the war
Thanks for playing
Have any other questions? Glad to answer
ElSunBloc@reddit
If you dont think a military blockade is an act of war (such as blocking the strait of tiran) then i guess you fully support israels blockade of gaza
And btw nice username, he was an honourable man that everyone should aspire to /s
IdiAmini@reddit
A little lesson:
Completely blockading a country from having sea acces in territorial waters that are not your own (which is what Israel has done to Gaza) is an act of war
Closing of a strait in your own territorial waters, which is what the Strait of Tiran was before the 1979 Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty guaranteed freedom of navigation through it for all nations, is NOT an act of war
Guess you are more informed now. Want to ask some more questions? Glad to answer
ElSunBloc@reddit
when the only way out of the gulf of Aqaba is through the straits of Tiran, the effect is the same. so your point is moot.
IdiAmini@reddit
Someone does not know a world map. You do understand Israel still had access to the Mediterranean Sea from which they could access all the oceans in the world? They just had to make a "little"detour
Summary:
Israel blockades Gaza: No more access to any waters
Egypt blockades the Strait of Tiran: Israel still has access to all the worlds oceans
My point seems to be not so moot. In fact, you point is moot and not how international law works
Again, next question?
ElSunBloc@reddit
"all the world oceans"
how would Israel trade with Asia or east Africa without passing through the straits of tiran?
they'd have to go through the strait of Gibraltar and around South Africa which makes it too expensive to even be worth it. that's not a little detour.
so, not only do you not understand how economics work, you don't know how international law works either.
Here's a question, when are military blockades legal?
Ok-Call-4805@reddit
Name any war Israel has been involved in and you've got your answer
ElSunBloc@reddit
Just name me one mate
CwazyCanuck@reddit
6 Day War was started when Israel launched Operation Focus against Egypt.
1956 Suez Crisis was started by Israel.
Ok-Call-4805@reddit
Every one
Airowird@reddit
Their founding war, for one.
Ropetrick6@reddit
What was rational about murdering Himd Rajab, lying about it, and engaging in a disinformation campaign in order to try and justify the murder of a CHILD?
Cocaine_Communist_@reddit
Netanyahu needs a war to stay out of prison. I hope they stick to the ceasefire but I'm not exactly optimistic.
Sloppykrab@reddit
More trust than the USA gets.
Ok-Call-4805@reddit
I trust neither
SpinningHead@reddit
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/article-879369
CricketJamSession@reddit
But you will whole heartly believe hezbollah want peace and wil abide by the ceasefire
Am i right?
Dragoncat_3_4@reddit
Of course they wouldn't want peace with the country that just took over 10% of their own country's land. Would you want peace with someone who did that in your country?
CricketJamSession@reddit
Strawman argument
NotGalenNorAnsel@reddit
Quit being so antisemitic!
Dragoncat_3_4@reddit
How so? I didn't misinterpret your argument, just answered your question. Would they want peace? No of course not. Not on Israel's terms. Israel is acting in a way that ensures a disgruntled population seeking vengeance and therefore sowing the seeds for their next land grab casus belli. A cornered dog lashes out and that's precisely what Israel wants.
Ok-Call-4805@reddit
I would trust them a hell of a lot more than I would trust Israel
CricketJamSession@reddit
Amazing how we got to the point that people are proud to present their dumb reasoning
IdiAmini@reddit
Tell me one reason to believe Israel. Just one good reason is all I ask....
CricketJamSession@reddit
Thats a strawman argument
Be suspicious about israel all you want but believing in the good will of Hezbollah is straight up unhinged
travistravis@reddit
This is the exact same as the argument you used initIally. That no one should believe Hezbollah due to previous actions. We haven't seen Israel honour a single agreement they've made in many years, so there's no reason we should trust them to do so now.
CricketJamSession@reddit
Peace agreement with egypt
Peace agreement with jordan
Ceasefire agreement with hamas and Hezbollah pre oct 7
Ceasefire agreements after first and second lebanon wars
Aabraham accords
And literally every agreement with evey other country in the world apart for the ones that vowed to destroy them
As for the latest ceasefire with hezbollah
It never came into effect as hezbollah didn't withdraw north of the litani and instead of disarming they only armed themselves even more
So no ceasefire to break
You clearly don't have any facts behind your claims
NotGalenNorAnsel@reddit
Israel had killed a record number of Palestinians in the West Bank in the year leading up to October 7th, and less than a week before shelled a refuge camp in Gaza. What, in the actual fuck, are you talking about? Who do you think you're convincing with this blatant bs?
GianfrancoZoey@reddit
It's really funny you guys think this act is still convincing anyone, maybe try it on worldnews? Might find some bots there who will agree with you
CricketJamSession@reddit
Its ok i have no need for a circlejerks like you folks in this sub
GianfrancoZoey@reddit
Ah yes, the real circlejerk is the people who don't unquestionably repeat the same old tired Hasbara talking points.
The thing is no one normal is left defending Israel, it's only the paid shills and those who just really really love white supremacist colonialism and apartheid. Instead of convincing anyone here of your pov all you're achieving is making it clear you're one of these two categories
IdiAmini@reddit
So, I guess you can't. Good to know. I will now give you a very good reason to believe Lebanon will abide by the ceasefire, namely the FACT that the during the last ceasefire between Lebanon and Israel, only Israel violated the ceasefire, and not just once but more than 10000 times
Your turn
CricketJamSession@reddit
As i said, a arguing a strawman as my argument was not if you should believe israel or not but how pathetic it is to believe hezbollah
Hezbollah* you meant to say
Lebanon has no power to enforce the ceasefire
Oh so you claim that hezbollah withdrawed north of the litani and disarmed like they agreed to do in the ceasefire?
How about when hezbollah launched rockets at israeli civilians in solidarity with iran?
You just throw random claims in the air
IdiAmini@reddit
Tell me when was the first ceasefire violation of Israel please, can you?
I will wait....
CricketJamSession@reddit
You can find it yourself if you have a point to make
Either way it will be longer than hezbollah first violation which is the very first minute and every second after that which makes the conclusion that they never abided to the terms of the ceasefire even for one second
IdiAmini@reddit
Did not think you would give up so easily
Nice playing with you. Next time bring better arguments
Have a day
NotGalenNorAnsel@reddit
Yeah, twenty years ago I was naive of the great many horrible actions the Israeli government had committed and I would have been surprised as well, however I have, you know, existed, and have been a full grown adult with literacy, so I now see nothing that Israel would hesitate to lie about, based on their past statements and actions.
IAMADon@reddit
Exhibit A:
10,000 violations in a year is, on average, once every 52 minutes.
CricketJamSession@reddit
Now do an exhibit about hezbollah so you can prove your point that hezbollah is credible
I mean if israel broke the ceasefire that means that the ceasefire came into effect by hezbollah withdrawing north of the litani right?
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
What an odd way of saying you have no proof that Hezbollah broke the ceasefire…
CricketJamSession@reddit
lol i presented two proofs that hezbollah broke the ceasefire but i guess you don't have the basic reading comprehension to pick it up
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Where did you present these two “proofs” that Hezbollah broke the ceasefire? Were these cases of “Hezbollah broke the ceasefire after Israel broke the ceasefire?” You realise that if Israel starts firing then the ceasefire is broken and there’s no requirement for Hezbollah to hold to it, right?
IAMADon@reddit
Exhibit B:
Now do another 9,998.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
And yet here you still are
TraditionalGap1@reddit
Considering they ceased firing when the Iran/US-Israel ceasefire came into force? Yeah, probably a safer bet than that Israel will abide by it
CricketJamSession@reddit
Are you sure about that?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c87ww2z0z3zo
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
I love that you posted a link showing Israel kept firing and Hezbollah kept retaliating and somehow consider that an example of Israel honoring the ceasefire and Hezbollah breaking it. Truly, Zionists cannot see their own violence.
CricketJamSession@reddit
Oh so now we are changing the argument from Hezbollah ceased to hezbollah retaliated?
"they didn't do anything and if they did it was justified!"
What a clown
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
The assertion was that Hezbollah stopped firing and honored the ceasefire and Israel didn’t, so Hezbollah started firing back. You are disputing that by pointing to a more recent situation of Israel firing and Hezbollah firing back. I know you are mindlessly devoted to Israel but can you at least inject a little logic and sense into what you write?
discographyA@reddit
Israel can’t go ten days without killing kids. It’s what they wake up in the morning for.
chrisjd@reddit
They'll continue killing kids in Gaza and the West Bank even if they are forced to stop in Lebanon
NotGalenNorAnsel@reddit
Forced? By a ceasefire? Israel doesn't let ceasefires or international law force anything on them. They'll be lobbing missiles into Lebanese suburbs before the weekend is out, mark my words
Ok-Call-4805@reddit
Ten days? They can't go ten minutes.
Level_Hour6480@reddit
There's a Russian term: "China's final warning". I imagine an Israeli ceasefire is similar.
wet_suit_one@reddit
I really wonder about this as well.
Israel and Lebanon aren't at war so far as I know. Israel is at war with Hezbollah, who aren't a signatory to this ceasefire. And if Hezbollah doesn't stop shooting (and they won't, I'm pretty sure) Israel is gonna shoot right back, whether or not Hezbollah is in Lebanon or not.
Isn't this ceasefire pointless since it doesn't even involve the main belligerents? Just Israel and one of the parties who isn't actually shooting?
I suppose this being completely stupid and unworkable on makes sense given who's involved, but still, this is all kinds of messed up.
Ok-Call-4805@reddit
Israel is going to break the ceasefire no matter what Hezbollah does. Even if Hezbollah were to never fire a single shot again, Israel would still be bombing. It's who they are.
protomenace@reddit
The real question is will Hezbollah keep it.
IdiAmini@reddit
The last ceasefire between Lebanon and Israel, Israel violated the ceasefire not once, not ten times, not 100 times, not a thousand times but more than 15000 times
protomenace@reddit
I'll assume you're talking about the ceasefire agreement between Hezbollah and Israel Israel from November 27, 2024. Is that right? This one?
That agreement contained this provision:
It's estimated that Hezbollah violated that provision just 5-6 hours after the agreement was signed. And they continued to violate that tens of thousands of times as they moved Hezbollah personal and equipment all around the Southern Litani area.
Spare me with your "15000 times" propaganda.
IdiAmini@reddit
Sorry, I meant more than 10000 times. I must be truthful and not exaggerate
Being untruthful is reserved for the likes of you
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/un-peacekeeping-mission-reports-over-10-000-israeli-violations-since-lebanon-ceasefire/3756235
protomenace@reddit
So no response to Hezbollah's violations? Where was I untruthful?
IdiAmini@reddit
Hahahaha, still not a single source corroborating your claim
Still wondering why....
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Where is the proof that Hezbollah violated the ceasefire? Is it just “Israel says?”
TraditionalGap1@reddit
Did you consider that Hezbollah actually did cease firing when the Iran ceasefire came into effect?
RisingDeadMan0@reddit
lol, Israel rigs whole villages for demolition, apple maps has wiped them from their maps, but Israel is the victim as always
protomenace@reddit
Who said anything about victims?
I'm just stating facts - Hezbollah is almost always the one that breaks ceasefires between Lebanon and Israel.
RisenPhantom@reddit
Don't be disingenuous. This isn't about the claim that "Hezbollah always breaks ceasefires" (which isn't even remotely true). It's about what you are implying by the claim if it is true. Let's be charitable and say it is, so in what way does Hezbollah breaking ceasefires justify Israel's bombing and wiping out of entire villages, spraying pesticides and other chemicals to make the land uninhabitable, pushing longtime citizens north and occupying the land for their own use? Are you so naive as to think repeatedly attacking and destroying another country's infrastructure isn't going to come back to you eventually? The neighbours have seen enough in Israel's incursions on Egypt, Syria, the West Bank and most recently Gaza. And you wonder why Hezbollah supposedly "always" breaks the ceasefires?
reebellious@reddit
Not to defend Apple but Apple never mapped southern lebanon
RisingDeadMan0@reddit
except tomtom uses apple maps and does have it, so apple has chosen not to.
but ok, interesting this then pre-dates this current systematic ethnic cleanisng
protomenace@reddit
Hezbo supporter try to stay on topic challenge: impossible.
Ok-Call-4805@reddit
Better chance of them keeping it than Israel. If Israel put out a statement saying today was Thursday I'd still check a calendar.
protomenace@reddit
Historically, no. Not even close.
Afferbeck_@reddit
Have Hezbollah taken out a major bridge and forced the evacuation of over a million people or dumped pesticide on large swaths of Israeli land so they can't grow anything there? Oh it's just the other way around?
"The media will blame Israel as usual" I don't know what planet you're living on, but it isn't Earth. Pretty much zero major media outlets or politicians worldwide ever call out Israel for any of the heinous shit they do on a daily basis. The closest they get is the most milquetoast passive voice reporting they can possibly manage, if it's something they can't just not bother to report at all.
protomenace@reddit
So... moving goalposts... changing the subject. Anything but discussion of the actual topic at hand - which is that Hezbollah always breaks the ceasefire first.
Ok-Call-4805@reddit
You really think Israel, the country that has broken every ceasefire so far, can be trusted?
protomenace@reddit
I think you just exposed your ignorance, so I'll take that as confirmation you have no idea what you're talking about.
Ok-Call-4805@reddit
I'm not going to waste any more time with you. Basic facts seem to be too much for you to grasp. Enjoy your fantasy world.
protomenace@reddit
What fantasy world? Show me your list of times Israel broke a ceasefire with Hezbollah vs the ones Hezbollah broke.
It's a really simple test. Let's see the numbers. No changing the subject. No deflecting to other topics. Let's just lay the facts out on the table and see who's right.
fifthflag@reddit
Between Hezbollah and a country breaking every international law and human rule possible... I put my trust Israel will not even abide to this ceasefire by tomorrow and will give some bs excuse and you hasbara plants will be on suicide watch once again.
TheFriendshipMachine@reddit
Literally my first thought when I saw this headline "oh somebody set the timer, let's see how long till Israel violates this one"
IsNotPolitburo@reddit
inb4 "Are the deaths of Lebanese children in school allegedly struck by missile a possible cause for strain in ceasefire?"
Dragoncat_3_4@reddit
Who knows. Maybe they'll really stop for a few months so they could move settlers to their newly acquired ~~annexed land~~ buffer zone, so they can claim they need a new buffer for the buffer zone.
BendicantMias@reddit
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
So they can honor the cease fire and break it at the same time!
Thormeaxozarliplon@reddit
No, YOU do not understand the meaning of the word.
Learn the difference between a ceasefire, a truce, and an armistice.
You are the one imagining a ceasefire is an all out declaration of peace or something.
wezl0@reddit
You know what they say about an Israeli ceasefire, you cease and they fire
HairyH0Od@reddit
What could possibly make you say that?
Opening_Pizza@reddit
No point in negotiating with Israel or the US
Ropetrick6@reddit
An Israeli ceasefire means you cease, and they keep firing.
2dudesinapod@reddit
Tbf Israel has no idea there is a ceasefire, Israeli media is losing their minds at Trump announcing a ceasefire before their security council could find a way out of it.
Kitchen_Letter8775@reddit
The Lebanese government has had not say in this. Nobody cares what they want. The war is between Israel and Hezbollah. The ceasefire happened because Iran demanded it.
imunfair@reddit
Israel: "I'm going to stop beating on you... until I choose to beat on you again."
Trying to make any sort of deal with them is a lost cause, they're excessively aggressive and if you so much as poke at them they'll try to murder you and your entire family, so good luck with even a handful of Hezbollah guys still running around Lebanon - you'll never have peace from Israeli bombing by showing contrition.
ChillAhriman@reddit
No point in signing a ceasefire when Israel intends to keep the territory. Even in the unlikely case that Hezbollah sees nothing wrong with this, there will be Lebanese people who take action upon seeing their homes stolen, and Israel will use the opportunity to claim that Lebanon itself has violated the ceasefire. The conflict in the Middle East will continue until Israel is taught that they can't just walk over their neighbours.
Exostrike@reddit
Given this news was broken by Trump and there are reports that Hezbollah received notice of it by Iran it seems likely this is some kind of diplomatic manoeuvre.
At a guess Iran said no further talks until a ceasefire in Lebanon and despite public statements the US wants to exit the conflict through diplomacy (TACO etc) and have declared the ceasefire. Of course this does require the Israeli to actually honour it.
Sloppykrab@reddit
Hezbollah are probably the greater hazard here.
IdiAmini@reddit
You forgot the /s
exegenes1s@reddit
After the last ceasefire Hezbollah didn't fire a single bullet, for over a year. Israel violated that ceasefire over 11000 times or an average of 34 times a day.
Sloppykrab@reddit
This is just false, on both claims.
exegenes1s@reddit
"The only international actor systematically documenting violations was UNIFIL, in line with UN Security Council Resolution 1701. According to UNIFIL records, between November 27, 2024 and the end of February 2026, more than 10,000 Israeli violations of Lebanese airspace and 1,400 military activities were recorded inside Lebanese territory. These incidents resulted in approximately 400 deaths and more than 1,100 injuries in Lebanon."
TraditionalGap1@reddit
We only have to look at the opening of the current ceasefire to see that you're totally disconnected from reality here. One side actually ceased firing and the other launched its biggest attack yet
Exostrike@reddit
Hardly. They get to claim they have halted Israeli attempts to annex southern Lebanon
RisingDeadMan0@reddit
loool, the netenyahu brown nosing is so funny
Apart_Emergency_191@reddit
Yay!! It will start 12:00 am tomorrow, it will last 10 days (hopefully to be extended) can’t believe i’m still alive, this is the third war in my lifetime
SpinningHead@reddit
And Israel will violate it 5 seconds after it starts.
Apart_Emergency_191@reddit
I mean the US announced it and i don’t think israel have the free will to go against the us’s wishes. Like idk but i feel everything they do is only because the US is allowing them to do it
SpinningHead@reddit
Trump was the only US president dumb enough to give in to Bibis desire for us to invade Iran for him.
Apart_Emergency_191@reddit
The US was gonna attack iran sooner or later trump just made it faster come on, kamala before the elections said iran is biggest threat to the USA
HorsemouthKailua@reddit
this war, or what ever they are calling it, was also gonna happen under Kamala, the details would have been different but it would have happened
which is my main beef with all the protests in the USA. they act like it's just Trump but he is the symptom and not the cause
SpinningHead@reddit
That was literally a maga talking point. Try again.
IdiAmini@reddit
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tEN8WnRNvRY
appolzmeh@reddit
Lmao the problem is that our gov has been beholden to the Israelis since Lyndon B Johnson and they have only infiltrated it more and more since then. The Epstein files were just scratching the surface.
SpinningHead@reddit
Thats patently false.
OsgrobioPrubeta@reddit
Satanyahu does whatever he wants, then calls Trump promissing some shiny golden item, maybe the 25th statue of him at GazaViera, and Trump agrees.
SpinningHead@reddit
Bibi has video, as does Putin.
OsgrobioPrubeta@reddit
Nonsense, that's giving excuses to what he does, like saying that he wouldn't do it if he wasn't forced to.
And BTW, I bet that those two have seen a lot of weird shit, but I doubt they would survive watching Trump making sweet love with Kim Jong Un.
SpinningHead@reddit
Hes an idiot, but hes also compromised. Has been since 1987.
Intelligent-Soup-836@reddit
I think you have their relationship backwards, Israel is the dom the US is the sub
Apart_Emergency_191@reddit
Yeah probably but i personally find it hard to believe a tiny country of 10 million can control a giant superpower
Intelligent-Soup-836@reddit
That's where AIPAC comes in, it is ridiculous how much power that lobby has. Israel tells Trump to jump and he jumps as high as his cankles will let him
gothlenin@reddit
Hope is good, and I hope you're right =) be safe! I'm definitely rooting for you and the end of this war.
Apart_Emergency_191@reddit
Thanks bud
EmptyRook@reddit
Violating ceasefires is the national pastime in Israel
2dudesinapod@reddit
You cease I fire - modern Israeli proverb
OsgrobioPrubeta@reddit
Fixed for you, you're welcome.
xland44@reddit
Hopefully the last between our two countries during our lifetime, too 🙏🕊
Dripdry42@reddit
Once again, starts after the market closes today… so we get the relief rally, then the shit all hits the fan on Sunday.
You would have to be a complete idiot to think that this isn’t a pause before the shooting starts again.
Apart_Emergency_191@reddit
Well idk about Iran but I think the one on lebanon is gonna last
HockeyHocki@reddit
Yeah there is very little detail over what has actually been agreed here, are Israel obliged to withdraw? IDF already said they are not leaving, meanwhile hezbollah are saying situation on the ground should same as it was before war kicked off. Hopefully this wont end up a repeat of the Iran/US ceasefire debacle
setebos_@reddit
No, forces are holding positions and still clearing/flattening the areas that were taken, but they will not advance. That's according to the latest reports, which means it could be incorrect by the time I click post
PartySr@reddit
Another ceasefire, Israeli style. Last time they signed a ceasefire, they started bombing Lebanon 5 hours after the ceasefire entered in effect. Same thing with Gaza.
Zionists will continue to target children.
Cuddlyaxe@reddit
Will it last? Likely not. Regardless this is a good development and we can hope it continues
Lebanon after all seems committed to removing Hezbollah for their own reasons, Israel should be the responsible party and must withdraw from the South
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