AMD 9070xt vs Nvidia 50xx series
Posted by premedthrowaway01234@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 42 comments
Hello!
I am a soon-to-be medical resident planning on splurging on myself for the first time ever lol and building a PC.
I’ve been reading a lot of posts about GPUs. The predominant sentiment I’ve seen is the 5090 is by far the most powerful, but really only worth it if you have a dedicated 4k monitor or are doing AI/ML work. I don’t particularly feel the need to do either of those things so at this point I’ve mostly ruled out getting a 5090 (plus they are ridiculously $3k+ right now).
In terms of 9070xt vs 5070TI vs 5080 though, from what I understand 9070xt is pretty comparable though quite a bit cheaper? Mainly trying to decide what to get from this comparison. I am ONLY interested in gaming, ideally at max settings. Won’t be gaming all day, really only days off.
I’m fairly flexible in budget but would probably prefer to stay within $3-5k.
I’ve read in other threads that a good move could be to get the 9070xt for now then upgrade whenever the next gen comes out some day? Appreciate any thoughts!
PixelPete27@reddit
You in a US? Near a microcenter?
premedthrowaway01234@reddit (OP)
Yes near a microcenter.
Have been looking at this prebuilt, what do you think?
https://www.microcenter.com/product/700439/powerspec-g913-gaming-pc
PixelPete27@reddit
Definitely a beast of a rig!
You'll easily hit 60fps on a 4K monitor with that thing.
The 9900X3D isn't as good as a 9800X3D for gaming, but it's still great.
If you're purely gaming with this thing, this model would be better for you, and it's a bit cheaper: https://www.microcenter.com/product/706050/powerspec-g762-gaming-pc
If you were to build that rig, it would probably cost you more due to the 64gb of ram.
But if you build one, with the same specs, except only 32gb RAM, you could build it for $2700.
Very nice PC though.
premedthrowaway01234@reddit (OP)
Great about to pull the trigger. I have mainly used a gaming Pc till now—would 32 vs 64 make a difference for games like Witcher 4, GTA?
PixelPete27@reddit
Not one bit. Unless you're doing an outrageous amount of multi tasking during gaming. 32GB will do you fine for years.
By the time you need to upgrade to more than 32gb of RAM for just purely gaming, RAM prices should have come down in price and you shouldn't be paying that much for an upgrade.
premedthrowaway01234@reddit (OP)
Thanks! I’ll go ahead and get the g757. If I ever do need to do AI stuff (I do some research), my institution has their own computer clusters anyway
PixelPete27@reddit
Ahhh gotcha! Well, if you even think you might want to do some AI work from home, or it might help you in the future, it's not a bad investment! But the $2500 is definitely better value, for sure!
premedthrowaway01234@reddit (OP)
Yea I agree, $2500 is better value and any research I do I’ve always tended to run in house on my institution’s systems
PixelPete27@reddit
Definitely. 64gb of that ram is about $700. So even if you had to upgrade to 64gb in the future, you could sell your used ram for at least $200 and it'd be a wash at the end of the day anyway.
blakelylol@reddit
This one is a much better value if your local store has it. https://www.microcenter.com/product/698877/powerspec-g757-gaming-pc
premedthrowaway01234@reddit (OP)
They do! What makes you prefer this one?
blakelylol@reddit
9800x3d is better for gaming and 32GB of ram is fine for gaming alone and it’s $700 cheaper hahaha
StunningPush8421@reddit
depends on prices really.
Although if you want max settings i can tell you the 9070 xt will 100% not be able to achieve that. The issue is that the path tracing performance is just really poor.
While i'm able to max out most games there are some that it is basically just impossible on my 9070 xt.
The 5070 ti can kind of do it with a good oc and a little frame gen but really the 5080 is where it is more comfertable although there are some vram limitations.
The real anwser is just get a 5090 build bc you can get a 5090 prebuilt for under 5k
premedthrowaway01234@reddit (OP)
https://www.microcenter.com/product/700439/powerspec-g913-gaming-pc
What do you think of this prebuilt? Probably not willing to spend as much as a 5090, this seems like a good middle ground.
StunningPush8421@reddit
imo it isn't really necessary to go for 64gb of ram and then 9900x3d is going to be worse than a 9800x3d for gaming since it is 6 + 6 = 12 instead of just 8 cores
https://www.microcenter.com/product/698877/powerspec-g757-gaming-pc they have this one open box for 2.25k near me
premedthrowaway01234@reddit (OP)
Oh cool thanks for the link! Do you think there’s a risk with refurbished ones like the ones listed? Or generally pretty safe?
StunningPush8421@reddit
yeah it is generally safe although I would make sure there is some warranty or return policy.
Microcenter is really good
reckless150681@reddit
r/buildapcforme will help
What you want to do is to be as specific as you can. So not just "max settings gaming", but:
What game(s)?
What resolution?
Ray tracing?
Do you want upscaling?
What target framerate?
Etc. etc. etc.
In general, for most gamers, you are correct in that the 9070 XT is comparable to the 5070 Ti, but cheaper. But both companies (AMD vs Nvidia; Intel to a lesser extent because they're not as competitive in this performance class) also have specific technologies, or will spec their cards differently, to make them more attractive for one reason or another. Again, the specific card(s) that work for you, depend on your specific requirements.
Well...that's all PC building :P
You just have to decide for yourself what your desired upgrade cadence is like
premedthrowaway01234@reddit (OP)
Thanks for the advice! I’ll make a post there following your template in a bit
Primus_is_OK_I_guess@reddit
The 9070xt has the best value, the 5080 has the best performance. If the extra ~$500 isn't a significant burden for your financial situation, I would get the 5080, personally. Having tried both quite a bit, I feel strongly that the overall Nvidia experience is superior.
oby100@reddit
Had the 1070 TI for 7 years and never had any issues aside from obviously slowly lowering graphics quality for newer games.
9070xt is giving me so many issues that I’m struggling to diagnose and address. For all I know, I’m doing something very wrong or windows 11 is more to blame as I made the switch at the same time, but there’s sooo much random bullshit making me regret the switch.
Perhaps the most infuriating problem that I eventually fixed (I think) is that when playing a video game on one monitor and playing a YouTube video on the second, the YT video would drop to 2 FPS. It was any game, even 16 bit ones.
I think I fucked around with the settings and fixed it, but I’m really annoyed that any setting is automatically flipped on that will interfere with basic usage.
reckless150681@reddit
Did you use DDU to completely remove your 1070Ti drivers?
Kentx51@reddit
Yeah, I don't think that's because of your graphics card per se. I've been using a 9070 for several months now and I've never had any kind of problems. So I think it's probably more about the fact that you changed your operating system at the exact same time is when you changed your graphics card. Yeah, that would be my guess.
That said to the original poster here. If your budget's $3 to $5,000, you definitely need to get a 5070 TI or better. So take your 3K get a 5080 and call it a day.
poofyhairguy@reddit
You didn’t tell us OS. If you don’t care about upscaling the 9070 kicks ass on Linux
Elitefuture@reddit
For the current price, I'd recommend the 9070 xt over the 5070 ti. The $250-$300 price difference is just too big for them being so close.
kawaii_Summoner@reddit
7800x3d and 9070xt with a b650 msi or gigabyte mobo, phantom spirit 120 se, grab a 2tb nvme, and pick a 850w psu and a case. Maybe an extra 3 pack of fans. Bada bing, bada boom.
damien24101982@reddit
go with nvidia gpu if you are new to this ballgame.
whatafuckinweirdo@reddit
ahhh another resident physician lfggg. i literally make like 10 an hour and spent it all on a new pc recently
Gutter_Flies@reddit
Any of these will be good. If you play a lot of pretty games, maybe go Nvidia for the ray tracing. If you’d just like to play and dont care about that so much any of these cards are great. I run a 9070xt and it does well at 4k according to some tests I did yesterday on my TV. Ray tracing would be nice, but it wasnt in the budget as I hadn’t been expecting to build TWO computers right then lol. I dont regret going 9070xt and have nothing against the 5070ti or 5080 either. I’d be happy regardless.
I concur with the idea of going 1440p. You can get a great oled and a great pc with that budget, and since all these cards are extremely good at that resolution, that’ll probably make more of a difference than which card you choose.
ObiWanJenobi1@reddit
Can you tell us what type of games you want to play and what specs your shooting for in a monitor?
premedthrowaway01234@reddit (OP)
Pasted in edit!
thefastslow@reddit
It just depends on if you want to dump over $1k on the GPU or not.
lamp7777@reddit
There are several new games and some old games that you cannot run at max settings with 9070 XT, and others that have worse visuals and performance even if it can max them out. 9070 XT also requires fiddling with 3rd party tools to get the bare minimum working for acceptable visuals, so if you want something that just works and saves you time and headaches, get the 5070 Ti or 5080.
Apinaheebo@reddit
Nvidia always because better drivers and compatibility.
premedthrowaway01234@reddit (OP)
So in my case would you say 5080?
Pumciusz@reddit
5080 is just bad value. It wasn't good when it was 1000 usd, it's even worse at almost 1300.
5080 is just \~15% faster than 5070ti, and has the same amount of vram.
9070xt stayed closer to MSRP so it's better value by default if you're not doing work that needs CUDA.
9070xt vs 5070ti depends on the games and settings. DLSS is better, but FSR4 is good enough that the quality isn't that big of an argument, you can check Hardware Unboxed comparisons. Game support is somewhat of a bigger issue but you can also use Optiscaler for games without anticheat.
Performance is similar, which is better depends on the games, which you should see in the benchmarks of the titles you're intrested in. Stuff like Black Myth Wukong, especialy in RT will perform better on Nvidia, COD will run better on AMD.
You can build a highend 9070xt/5070ti within 2,5k usd.
Gortosan@reddit
If you have the money get the 5080. The 9070 XT is great in builds with a set budget because it allows you to upgrade other parts with the money saved while being comparable in performance to the 5070 Ti. If money is not an issue there's no reason to not get the 5080
gokufire@reddit
This gen of Nvidia had really bad drivers interaction. In terms of compatibility I'm not sure if there are hardware compatibility challenges using AMD but Nvidia for sure has more games supported for some of the new tech. Although not by far, the last that I saw Nvidia was covered in 90%+ games and AMD on 70%+ games. If you are using Linux go with AMD. Unless you need CUDA which doesn't seem the case of the OP and many others. This question is rephrased and posted every hour. Not sure why people still has trouble to decide.
dustinthewindreddit@reddit
I think 10 years ago, yes, today not as much. I went to a 4090 and found adrenaline software to be better. But nvidia still takes the edge in adoption because of its sheer market size.
WillPill_@reddit
If your only purpose is gaming save money and go with the 9070xt. If plan to do any type of video editing, 3d modeling, AI workloads, streaming, etc. go with Nvidia for better compatibility.
dustinthewindreddit@reddit
4090 user, kinda of envious of 9070xt raster at their price point lol I wish they could compete top tier though.
If you use ray tracing or local llm you should probably go nvidia.
Sumeung-Gai@reddit
Nvidia had the featureset rn, and the gap is growing again since the ray regeneration disappointment of Redstone and dlss 4.5 release. UV/OC a 5080 to accomplish high frame rate 1440p MAX settings .. this includes path tracing and ray reconstruction where available.