777X Cabin mock up at AIX2026 in Hamburg
Posted by qooooo1337@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 166 comments
Was amazing to finally see in person.
Posted by qooooo1337@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 166 comments
Was amazing to finally see in person.
Civil_Valuable7735@reddit
Airlines already figuring out how to make it a 4-5-4 configuration
Hawtdawgz_4@reddit
Those aisles are WIDE for economy
dtdowntime@reddit
Crazy how much space there is above the central bins, explains how they can fit a crew rest in there I guess, never knew it was THIS much space
peazley@reddit
Yeah, seems like a bunch of empty space. There was an article about 4 hour bunk beds on Air New Zealand or something the other day, but they had them on the main cabin floor. Why not put them up above the cabin in that space?
Intelligent-Yam-3565@reddit
There's plenty of stuff up there - it's not just dead space. Electrical and pneumatic and communications system equipment, plus all of the space required for the structure of the stow bins.
wggn@reddit
they should fill it with helium to make the plane lighter
Dino_Spaceman@reddit
Everyone knows hot air rises. So just set the cabin temperature to 1,000 degrees and enjoy the fuel efficient flight.
PWForMO3@reddit
I mean just replace the cabin with 21% O2 and 79% helium and that sucker will be light as a joke.
wggn@reddit
brilliant
FreeOmari@reddit
Hello u/wggn,
This is Kelly Ortberg, with Boeing. We need you to come out to Seattle to have a discussion with you. Thanks
wggn@reddit
unfortunately i can't since i have been to iran in the past 15 years
tolucophoto@reddit
It’s not ICE. It’s GAS.
netz_pirat@reddit
Rest assured that space is not empty at all. Cables, AC lines, water tanks,... Plenty of stuff to hide that needs to go somewhere.
RhinoBall_2-1@reddit
Water tanks are on the cargo deck. Too heavy for overhead. Sauce: sitting at my work desk staring at one over my monitor right now.
netz_pirat@reddit
It's been a few years, but I am fairly sure the potable water tanks that I designed a test rig for and where I optimized production processes for went overhead.
RhinoBall_2-1@reddit
Ill walk down and check. Big if true. The only tanks i know of are around STA 1975. WL140ish. Could be legacy brain fucking me up tho.
netz_pirat@reddit
Might be a Boeing/airbus thing as well - the tanks were A350XLR iirc.
RhinoBall_2-1@reddit
Theres no tanks overhead. Imagine the scenes in a bad landing if there was. :)
HeReddItNotMe@reddit
He’s talking about the tanks you fill up by flipping up the cap next to the SATCOM antenna.
RhinoBall_2-1@reddit
Lol. Good one
bigfoot_done_hiding@reddit
Is your work desk in the cargo bay of a 777?
R0b0tMark@reddit
He works remotely, and is a hobbyist airplane stowaway.
RhinoBall_2-1@reddit
Im in the walls
RhinoBall_2-1@reddit
;) close enough.
netz_pirat@reddit
Depends on the plane. Source: designed the test for some, and optimized the production for others
donkeykink420@reddit
AFAIK there's also crew rest up in there, well just behind the cockpit anyway, not sure what's further back, but I'm sure it isn't empty
US-CabinCrew@reddit
Our crew bunks on 777/300 and 787 are overhead in the back of the airplane in MC.
DanioPL@reddit
Evacuation times
samuraijon@reddit
how so? A350 crew rest is above the cabin. last few rows of overhead bins are blanked out to allow more crew rest space.
furthermore the rest areas are only utilised during cruise and has no effect on evacuation times especially during t/o and landing.
Hiding_From_Ex_Wife@reddit
You are comparing trained and proficient crewmember evacuation times to the general public and they are not the same.
swift1883@reddit
They’re probably dealing with a very long list of concerns that they had to satisfy. Like, economics and safety sure. But also, you don’t want to give too much privacy to economy class pax. Yes it’ll be non-stop onlyfans production right above their heads.
Hanaizar@reddit
It does look like wasted volume from the cabin side. I’m guessing certification, access, weight, and evacuation rules make “just put bunks there” way less simple than it feels.
RhinoBall_2-1@reddit
Back in the early days the bunks were through a hatch on the floor in the cargo deck. Then there was a customer request for more cargo space that made boeing look elsewhere to put the crew rest. There is lots of systems equipment overhead so it was pushed out of the way and boom, crew rest installed.
Bottom line is there is lots of stuff above those ceiling panels. ;)
RhinoBall_2-1@reddit
I can promise you its not empty. All the electronics and air conditioning is up there.
2FAmademe@reddit
Have you seen how people get off a plane in an emergency nowadays?
iambackend@reddit
I don’t see a good way to fit stairs there.
unintelligble_speach@reddit
Begibd the walls where the galley is or smth
Unlucky-Constant3587@reddit
Yes this is great. Every time I get into an economy class seat I think to myself man I love how I can't move my arms and legs and it feels like I'm going to get a blood clot, but I really wish there was more room above me.
jumpy_finale@reddit
Need to leave space for Kurt Russell to move around undetected.
Unlucky-Constant3587@reddit
Yes this is great. Every time I get into an economy class seat I think to myself man I love how I can't move my arms and legs and it feels like I'm going to get a blood clot, but I really wish there was more room above me.
Pizzashillsmom@reddit
Well because it's circular if you want to build it wider, it also had to be taller.
imaguitarhero24@reddit
Is the fuselage actually a wider diameter than other 777s? Forgive my ignorance but I thought that was the main constant between types within a certain model, just the lengths generally change. But everyone is talking about how spacious.
latestagepersonhood@reddit
The outside diameter is the same as the old 777, but Boeing was able to move the interior panels out closer to the skin of the airframe. most of what i've read says the new cabin is about 4" (\~10cm) wider inside. an extra cm of elbow room per seat doesnt sound like much but on an LAX to LHR flight that is a huge upgrade.
imaguitarhero24@reddit
I find it hard to believe 4" would be visually obvious from these photos lol people are really overblowing "wow how spacious!" But I agree it will make a difference in person regardless.
latestagepersonhood@reddit
i mean if your used to flying narrowbody domestic flights all widebodies feel huge. but even some A350 are 10 abreast in economy despite being a whole 9-13" narrower than 777x.
imaguitarhero24@reddit
Yikes. Doesn't JAL have some 777s 9 abreast? That would be roomy
xsm17@reddit
JAL, Singapore, and a precious few of the top-tier Asian airlines are holding out, but others have been reconfiguring to 3-4-3, like Cathay sadly.
imaguitarhero24@reddit
Damn an entire seat gone is a crazy amount of extra room
Code_Operator@reddit
I worked on the “sculpted sidewalls” early in the program. They were trying to squeeze in 1 more economy seat per row, not add elbow room.
the_silent_redditor@reddit
Everything tends towards as shitty and as cheap as customers will tolerate.
Last ultra long haul Emirates trip I was on was a refurb 380. I fly them multiple times a year, and this was the first refit I’d been on.
The economy seats were thin as fuck and incredibly uncomfortable, with less than half the usual storage for your stuff. This resulted in the entire cabin getting up and down and up and down to get belongings from overhead bins throughout the flight.
Haven’t flown business for a while, not sure of the enshitification translates upstairs. I can tell you that within the past decade, I have paid what it would cost to fly business ten years ago.. to fly economy! So that’s fucking awesome.
But, yea, I have no doubt the space saving measures were made so as to cram in another fuckin cattle class seat per row.
Pricks.
xsm17@reddit
At this rate, the only good economy products left are Singapore, the big two for both Korea and Japan, and that feels about it. The Middle East three, Thai, Cathay, the Taiwanese carriers, they all have been refitting to pack more seats as well as reduce what were standard economy benefits. It's sad to see.
moofie74@reddit
The “pricks” you complain about are the people who buy the cheapest ticket they can find no matter what. The airlines are responding to the market. Airline margins are razor thin, and the value of an empty seat goes to zero two hours before that door closes. That is why the seats are placed how they are.
The OEM here has made a design change to make that a little more comfortable. That’s good.
Capitalism do be like that.
BluePrintSpec@reddit
This is why we need regulations for minimum seat width and pitch. Human beings aren't tolerant enough about being packed like sardines. It's a safety issue that the FAA needs to address.
moofie74@reddit
I’m not opposed. I would personally like that. Two things are true:
1) every aircraft seating arrangement in service has been shown to be safe for evacuation.
2) Prices will go up.
Adjutant_Reflex_@reddit
Interior dimension is larger, external remains the same.
Cruel2BEkind12@reddit
Could you make a 777X double decker? Maybe for really short people on the top.
flightwatcher45@reddit
Add a few mini doors for evac and yes haha
JaggedMetalOs@reddit
Now watch as absolutely no airlines take the "open galley" option.
andrewia@reddit
Yep, their own preliminary planning documents don't even show this. The only time this seems viable is on a 100% premium cabin, and/or a weight restricted route like Qantas Sunrise. https://www.boeing.com/content/dam/boeing/boeingdotcom/commercial/airports/acaps/777X_RevE.pdf
LamarJacksonIsMyHero@reddit
Shitty paper thin seats.
andrewia@reddit
I've had thin seats be terrible and be pretty decent, it all depends on the vendor and the ergonomics. As usual, the airlines and their vendors matter a lot more than the body.
suppreme@reddit
3-4-3 is nightmare sitting for long haul night flight (and even day).
Too bad the 767 era flopped. 2-3-2 economy was the ultimate setup.
andrewia@reddit
These seats will be notably wider, so hopefully that will make things a bit more comfortable.
xsm17@reddit
At least we have 2-4-2 on A330s (and the few A340s) for now... I wish A330neo adoption would increase so that we can maintain that.
dchap1@reddit
Absolutely no way there will be that much leg room once an airline adopts it.
andrewia@reddit
I'm not sure how tight they can pack the seats in the rear of the plane while maintaing evacuation speeds. There are 3 exits behind the wings on each side, and Boeing's planning documents expect a 32" seat pitch. https://www.boeing.com/content/dam/boeing/boeingdotcom/commercial/airports/acaps/777X_RevE.pdf
ywpark@reddit
If 3-4-3 is the manufacturer’s suggested spec, then I can see a scenario where certain airlines squeezing one more seat in the middle to make it 3-5-3.
SkyscraperNC@reddit
Easily 4-4-4. I mean, look how wide those aisles are. Muuuch too wide
christopher_mtrl@reddit
Regulations prohibits seats that are more than 2 seats away from the aisle. So in a twin aisle aircraft, window side cannot be more than 3 abreast, and center cannot be more than 5 abreast.
Some1-Somewhere@reddit
3-6-3 is still two from an aisle.
Airbus was looking at 3-5-3 on the A380 for a while.
christopher_mtrl@reddit
Ohhh that's right. But don't give them any ideas.
joeykins82@reddit
Nah. 3-5-3 is probably inevitable but even the most captured regulator won't sign off on 4 seats between the windows and an aisle because of the impact on evacuation time.
mightymike24@reddit
Not just the regulator. It will never pass the evacuation test.
2FAmademe@reddit
That’s exactly what they just said lmao
Jarreddit15@reddit
r/yourcommentbutworse
jmlinden7@reddit
In theory you could compensate for the evacuation time by having more exits.
2FAmademe@reddit
In theory you could compensate by adding a second level to the plane…..
jmlinden7@reddit
The second level would have to have more exits, but yes
Adjutant_Reflex_@reddit
I don’t. 3-4-3 maximizes the available space while still maintaining usable aisles. Adding another 17” wide seat would cut your aisles down from ~17” each to ~9”. I also don’t think you’d be able to meet evacuation requirements.
Facu474@reddit
From what I have read, the standard config is 10 seats (3-4-3) with 18" width. But if you take 1.5"~2" off each seat (yes, giving you a terrible 16"~ like some airlines have on long haul flights), you can fit an extra seat. as I understand it, there are
Adjutant_Reflex_@reddit
So here’s another reason I don’t think we’ll see it: the vast majority of airlines operating 777s, now and in the future, also offer a wide range of premium products. That is where the real money is made, not steerage in the back.
I think it’s much more likely airlines will continue to invest in increasingly premium heavy configurations, like United’s upcoming “Elevated” 787 that’s allocated only 40% to traditional economy seating.
Facu474@reddit
I have to agree on that point, the money is definitely in premium services. Plus the airlines that are more likely to want such configurations will likely not have these aircraft for maaaaany years... so if we see it, it should be a while at least
CrotchalFungus@reddit
The 9" wide carts for meal service would at least make the miniature soda cans look normal size.
FlaviusDomitianus@reddit
And that's why you can pry my 2-3-2 Delta 767s out of my cold dead hands.
GrafZeppelin127@reddit
2-3-2 is a great configuration. 15-16 feet wide is great for cabins, because it cuts down on the amount of sardine-packing bullshit you could feasibly get away with, given current regulations. Call it “inefficient,” but it’s comfortable. A happy medium between 19-foot widebodies and 11-foot narrowbodies.
Even my namesake, the Graf Zeppelin, had a cabin just over 16 feet wide at the floor. It was a great improvement over older, smaller ships like the Nordstern, which had an 8-foot-wide cabin laid out exactly like an 8-foot-wide premium train compartment, with 2-1 seating. Upping that to 16 feet allowed for a very efficient row of double sleeper cabins on either side that shared a common hallway, in addition to more spacious public areas.
Obviously, that doesn’t hold a candle to later airships that colonized the actual hull space to get cabins over 70 feet wide, but it’s still very good for any aircraft constrained to the narrow cross-section of a fuselage or gondola.
christopher_mtrl@reddit
The cabin is only 10cm wider than the 777. Considering airlines are already pushing it in the regular version using 3-4-3 while it entered service with 3-3-3, i don't really think it's possible.
lellololes@reddit
Nobody runs 11 wide 747s or A380s, for what it's worth.
But there are a couple of airlines that run 9 wide A330s. Icky.
christopher_mtrl@reddit
I've flown the 3-3-3 A330 (TS), and it's every bit as bad as you think.
Pizzashillsmom@reddit
If that was a possibility someone would have done it on the A380 or 747 which have even wider cabins.
Pizzashillsmom@reddit
777 has been in service for 30 years and no one has done 3-5-3.
gooneryoda@reddit
Ryanair now doing transatlantic flights….?
OpenParr@reddit
That better be a buffet cart on the left
horrible_noob@reddit
We are the same person. I'll pay extra for a carving station.
donkeyrocket@reddit
You like hot fudge sundaes?
horrible_noob@reddit
Unfortunately for me, no sweet tooth. Fortunately for you, more for you!
FreeOmari@reddit
It is but your airline of choice has decided to replace it with drawers to store basic economy passengers in.
OpenParr@reddit
Is this the new ‘Relax Row’ that United is talking about?
stringochars@reddit
Which class is rear facing and why?
Hunting_Gnomes@reddit
Make the poor stare at the rich and realize how poor they really are.
donkeykink420@reddit
business class, much more comfortable sitting that way if you hit a building I've heard
Adjutant_Reflex_@reddit
Business class is a photo looking aft. The economy seats are set up so you’re facing fore.
gooneryoda@reddit
Business class.
Sweaty-Science4955@reddit
those are huge fucking windows goddamn
ScienceMechEng_Lover@reddit
I just noticed now that you mentioned it. I remember Boeing saying they could only fit larger windows on the 787 because of its composite fuselage, so I'm interested in seeing if this is actually realistic for the 777X and if so, how they managed to do it with an aluminium skin airframe.
samuraijon@reddit
I read ages ago they said the OG 777 was over engineered so they could enlarge the windows with a slight penalty to the lifespan of the aircraft due to cyclical pressurisations. can't find the source now.
Ok-Insurance-9456@reddit
Not only that, 777X has every cabin advantage once thought to be composite specific. Along with having huge windows, it also has low cabin altitude and high humidity that matches the 787 and A350. I feel like sometimes people don't appreciate just how much of a new airliner the 777X is, this is not some MAX or New engine option.
Mythrilfan@reddit
What advantages does that leave the 787 with?
w0nderbrad@reddit
engine chevrons... which are just plain cool
victorinseattle@reddit
FOLDING WING(tip)S!
RealPutin@reddit
Cooler looking nose
(Also a ton of other tech like bleedless systems)
Heliotropolii_@reddit
Bleedless system isn't an advantage for the mechanics 😂 it's always doing something wrong
SevenandForty@reddit
Technically the A220 also has all of those features and uses an Al-Li fuselage; I'd imagine better corrosion protection or different alloys might help.
pauliaK@reddit
My exact same thoughts. I hope we have someone knowledgeable here who can explain this.
CrotchalFungus@reddit
I can fit my whole face in there, that'd be awesome.
eneka@reddit
It’s ok it’ll just be locked the whole time
randomtask733@reddit
I wish airliners had DC8 size windows again
NervousDesign9811@reddit
Beautiful design, except I absolutely dislike the reverse oriented business seat pods...
BankHottas@reddit
It’s so cool to see how little of the space in a plane is actually taken up by passengers
boimilk@reddit
nice, so just like every other airplane interior
CouchPotatoFamine@reddit
I like the salad bars on the left, complete with sneeze guards!
mrbluetrain@reddit
I hope they test this fucker alot more before being certified. just to many horror stories... :/
vargsint@reddit
Looks alright but 2-5-2 is what people want. I hope Boeing doesn’t screw it up.
RogLatimer118@reddit
Anything but an actual certified airplane!
Arcal@reddit
It's beyond concerning that the 777 stretch project has taken longer than the complete ground-up design of the original airframe took. It's not like they've been killing it on other projects.
definitelyainoreally@reddit
would a ground up design look any different? maybe a drop nose instead of the 767 cockpit? but then you'd have to mess with the type cert some more
ABoutDeSouffle@reddit
They have little competition in that size class, so they aren't threatened by customers cancelling orders.
FalconX88@reddit
yep. wooooow a mock up...9 years after they should have been introduced and 13 years after they started working on it
meabbott@reddit
Who needs an aircraft cabin mocking them in an airport?
TheVoicesSpeakToMe@reddit
Coming in 2034…
IggyBG@reddit
I would put 11 seats there
ABoutDeSouffle@reddit
Chill, Satan!
RGV_Ikpyo@reddit
now if Boeing will just make planes that don't crash
hcornea@reddit
That economy seat-pitch looks on the generous side.
Boundish91@reddit
Sort of related situation, a couple of weeks back i flew economy to and from Japan on a China Airlines A350 + B777 and then flew back on a LOT B787 my main take away from this was that the planes were very similar, the A350 was the quietest by a slim margin (i was sat a few rows behind the wing on all the flights) But what they all lacked was enough padding in the seat cushion. You could feel the frame of the seat, not great. Everything else was fine for economy class. And i doubt the cushions were worn down, i mean the A350 was pretty much new.
ScienceMechEng_Lover@reddit
Where are the overhead bins for the centre seats?
Some1-Somewhere@reddit
They pivot down. You can see the handles in the first pic.
GuntherOfGunth@reddit
Too much space, needs to have smaller seats and less legroom. How is anyone supposed to profit from that.
masteroffdesaster@reddit
seems cramped
notavailable_name@reddit
That’s alot of middle seats I don’t want to sit in.
Facu474@reddit
Just you wait for airlines to put 5 in the middle too, that central seat in those configs was always the worst...
BB-68@reddit
Airlines furiously taking notes at all that space where the center bins are.
3 over 3-4-3 coming soon to a budget carrier near you
Big_Rhubarb_1882@reddit
New lie flat beds just hammocks.
DylansDeadlyTwo@reddit
You could add a level and make those all lay down beds above the center seats. Just add 300 sleepers to the middle.
REDDIT_JUDGE_REFEREE@reddit
Someone link the slave trade ship graphic with the RyanAir logo
jumpy_finale@reddit
https://www.offthebeatenpoints.com/the-surprising-brilliance-of-double-decker-airplane-seats/
gooneryoda@reddit
Would work well in Japan. They already use wide bodies for domestic flights.
FunctionalBoredom@reddit
Complete BS to get interest from banks, shareholders, etc… all vapor ware like Apple AI. That will be jammed pack front to back and left to right, they would add 14 abreast if they were allowed.
777F_lover2008@reddit
Wow cool! Can’t wait to see this in 2090!
Twitter_2006@reddit
Awesome.
Tmdngs@reddit
Nice
Cherry_Rat@reddit
What a beaut
pup5581@reddit
Now that's some space
Scrantonicity_02@reddit
So much room for activities
kaaskugg@reddit
Today I'll climb all the way up to row 5!
tuddrussell2@reddit
Get rid of windows on planes. Add's weight and pointless. I want to see the 'glass' wall / LED displays instead on the cabin interior.
DadKnightBegins@reddit
It looks like theater to watch rich people.
Shot-Ad-9088@reddit
Great they have a cabin, they just need a plane now.
-6310@reddit
This 10-abreast with LCC-style seats on a long-haul? Absolute nightmare. Classic bait-and-switch, gut the base product so people feel forced to shell out for 'premium economy,' which is just... regular economy from 15 years ago.
Einszwo12@reddit
Boeing presenting in Airbus’s backyard 😏
Ol_grans@reddit
I can't wait to walk through all that nice area and admire it from the very rear next to the lavatories!
Public_Fucking_Media@reddit
they didn't even let you into business on the mockup?!
jblow22@reddit
It’ll never get off the ground.
xXCrazyDaneXx@reddit
The specific mockup in the post? Probably not, no.
The 777X however, has flown many times at this point.
jblow22@reddit
Never knew how literal Danes were.
RamTank@reddit
This looks amazing but when are we actually going to be riding them for real?
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