Need help choosing PC deals
Posted by Mufington@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 13 comments
There's bundle deals for some DIY builds that caught my attention as possibly saving quite a lot of money as opposed to buying all the components individually and would like some help on deciding which of these is best value.
There are 3 options right now although the 1st one to me seems like the worst given its a little bit worse and not really cheaper than the 2nd. Which of these would make the most sense given the relative prices?
1.
Price: 2400€
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D, 4.2/5.0 GHz
Motherboard: AMD B650
GPU: ASUS Radeon RX 9070 XT PRIME, 16GB GDDR6
RAM 32GB (2 x 16GB) RGB DDR5 5200MHz
Storage: 1TB M.2 PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III Pro 360 A-RGB, 360mm AIO-liquid cooling
PSU: 850W 80+ Gold
2.
Price: 2500€ (this comes bundled with a 27" 180hz 1440p monitor that I dont really need. Altho could switch out my other monitor it only being 1080p or just have 3 monitors ig)
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 9700X 3.8/5.5 GHz
Motherboard: ASUS AMD B850
GPU: ASUS NVIDIA Geforce 5070 Ti, 16GB GDDR7
RAM: 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5 5600MHz
Storage: 2TB M.2 PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD
CPU Cooling: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 EVO
PSU: 850W 80+ Gold PCIe 5.0 Ready
3.
Price: 2700€
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D, 4.7/5.2 GHz Motherboard: ASUS AMD X870 GPU: ASUS NVIDIA Geforce RTX 5070 Ti, 16GB GDDR7 RAM: 32GB (2 x 16GB) RGB DDR5 5600MHz Storage: 2TB M.2 PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD CPU Cooling: Corsair Nautilus 360 RS ARGB, 360mm AIO-liquid cooling PSU: Corsair 850W 80+ Gold PCIe 5.0 Ready
I would like a high end set up that would hopefully last me for quite a few years (been going strong with my ryzen 5 5600x and rtx3070 for 5 years having the occasional freezes needing reboots etc)
prank_mark@reddit
I just saw your comment about having found another build with a 9800X3D and a 9070 XT, but now it's gone... Was that a mistake?
Mufington@reddit (OP)
No, it's still there as a reply to your first post
prank_mark@reddit
Oh for me it's gone, so I'll post my reply here instead:
I'd say this (9800X3D + 9070XT for €2200) is the best deal out of the 4 in total. But there are a few things to consider:
I'll call this Build A, and option 2 from your post (9700x + 5070Ti) Build B.
Monitor
Games - CPU intensive games = points for build A because of the 9800X3D - No or very few CPU intensive games = neutral, you'll be limited by the GPU and CPU doesn't make a difference in that case
RT, PT, upscaling - Heavy use of RT, PT, and heavy upscaling = points for build B because 5070 Ti is better for that than the 9070 XT - Occasional or no use of RT and light upscaling = neutral because 9070 XT can still do RT and upscaling, but slightly worse than 5070 Ti, and is just as good at rasterisation (regular game rendering) as the 5070 Ti
Workloads besides gaming - Regular (heavy) video editing/rendering, 3D modelling, or other workstation workloads = build B, almost all professional software favours Nvidias CUDA architecture (because of historical dominance and it being the only producer of super high end workstation and server cards) - Only gaming or occasional/light editing/rendering = neutral, the 9070 XT is worse than even a regular 5070, but its still very usable for regular light or occasional heavy workloads. Most difference is in rendering speed, so it's annoying if it's your (fulltime) job but fine if it's an occasional hobby
And three final things to consider:
prank_mark@reddit
Number 2 all day every day. Yes, it has a slightly weaker CPU, but in reality that doesn't matter much at all. The larger SSD, the monitor, and the 5070 Ti (with better RT an PT) makes it worth the extra €100. Although I wonder if you could find a 9600x/9700x paired with a 9070 XT. That would maybe be an ever better deal.
How much does a CPU matter:
https://www.techspot.com/review/3017-ryzen-9800x3d-vs-7600x-cpu-scaling/
https://youtu.be/TXKyQYiLro8
Mufington@reddit (OP)
I did find the following for 2200€:
Would that be superior to getting either of the RTX 5070 ti bundles?
Mufington@reddit (OP)
What about the motherboard? The CPU's don't seem to be that much apart but how futureproof is the x870 models compared to the b850 ones?
I already asked in another comment but what about the 9700x vs the 9800x3d in tasks outside of gaming? The 3d obviously is slightly better in games but what about workstation performance?
prank_mark@reddit
In workstation performance there's almost no difference between the 9800X3D and the 9700X. The motherboard also doesn't make any real difference in future proofing. You can compare individual features (WiFi, high speed LAN etc.) but the chipset doesn't make a real difference. And the question is also whether you'll even upgrade to another AM5 CPU or just go straight to AM6, as there should only be 1 or 2 more new generations on AM5.
Mufington@reddit (OP)
Its starting to get brutal with some current day titles (hello borderlands 4) so I feel like I should be upgrading these days. With no guarantees of even older stuff becoming cheaper it might be just as expensive to upgrade 2 years from now for maybe a slight increase in performance. Or we might be on the edge of massive advancement and a 3k gaming pc in a few years will be like a doubling of performance from the current top components (I dont think this will happen)
prank_mark@reddit
Yeah I think it's unlikely we'll see any major leaps in performance in the next few years, so getting a "future proof" motherboard in the sense of being able to support upgrades shouldn't be much of a concern. I'd focus on just getting the one that supports the features you want right now and which will still fulfil your needs in the next few years. And a B850 board should be more than enough for that. And even that one should facilitate upgrades.
coolboy856@reddit
#3 > #2 > #1
prank_mark@reddit
I'd say 2 over 3. Yes, 3 is slightly better, but 2 has better value. If he sells the monitor for €200, there's a €400 difference, and the 9800X3D isn't worth €400 more than a 9700X, especially when paired with a 5070 Ti.
Mufington@reddit (OP)
My main monitor is 2K (I would never go for something this high before having something above 1080p)
That said what is the verdict on 9800x3d vs 9700x? From what I have seen people say the 3d is a little better for gaming but that the 9700x might actually be better outside of that? Is there any truth to such claims?
coolboy856@reddit
The 9800X3D is clearly faster in CPU-heavy scenarios, but the 9700X will already deliver more frames than you could comfortably need in these scenarios.
The 9800X3D is a much superior processor, but from a value perspective you could just sell the 9700X and spend less on the system than buying #3, and have a second 1440p monitor for free