Pentagon ramps up planning for possible military ops in Cuba
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Skittleavix@reddit
There is nothing so terrible that Americans will not tolerate from this government. I’m not so much shocked by this administration’s behaviour anymore as I am shocked by the American people’s behaviour in tolerating it.
Felome@reddit
Honest question, what do you expect me to do about it? I voted against this asshole too.
shades-of-defiance@reddit
France has written a book or two about it, but I guess the american intelligence apparatus has pervaded every sphere of the society that much as to have rendered any possibility of a people's insurrection near-impossible
Skittleavix@reddit
I don’t expect any one individual to be a solution to a collective problem. Collective action is required. History demonstrates that there is no way out of a despotic government without the people acting collectively to achieve change. That goes above and beyond just voting. This seems to be the one thing MAGA unfortunately understands (which is not an endorsement of their choice of actions whatsoever).
blankedblank@reddit
In an ideal world, yes. In reality, any collective response needs some form of coordination - one or more hubs. That means specific individuals have to step up and take on responsibility, along with all the risks that come with it. Inevitably, this creates "bottlenecks" in the process.
If a political regime already holds a massive advantage in information and coordination tools, and also controls the security apparatus and the courts, it can easily suppress and dismantle a movement by targeting these early, inherently fragile points.
That’s what we see in Russia, where any attempt to organize a protest is swiftly shut down. People who take the initiative may be called into the local draft office, while their families are summoned to the police for a so-called "preventive" talk.
For collective protest to succeed, those coordination hubs need backing from people with real power - people willing to challenge the current regime. A counterweight is essential, which is why resisting a dictatorship is so difficult. In systems like this, such counterbalances simply aren’t built in.
nachtengelsp@reddit
It seems the "almighty" second amendment only applies for propaganda purposes and showoff
hazusu@reddit
And shooting kids. Americans do love their favorite passtime of saying they can't do anything about the kid grinder that their country is.
blankedblank@reddit
Not so honest answer - the same shit you expect us to do. Honest answer - you can't do much.
Shane-8300@reddit
Don't take it personally, obviously you can't do much of anything as an individual
No_Listen5389@reddit
If they actually invade Cuba, it will be the missile crises again, but worse. China and Russia vs. USA proxy war. I hope the USA does not so something this stupid, but they did bomb Iran so.... we will see.
Gleneroo@reddit
Sorry, that doesn't make sense. Cuba is indefensible militarily. China and Russia would not get involved. Also because they don't have anything to win. It would have made more sense for them to support Iran, and they didn't.
No_Listen5389@reddit
Ok, thanks for the response. you are right, it does not make sense.
Cuba will be on it`s own if something happens militarily from the US.
I guess it`s just really heart-breaking to see what the US is doing and knowing no one can really do anything to stop it.
Wishful thinking on my part.
Gleneroo@reddit
I think, with Iran, a war could have been avoided if the JCPOA had been maintained or improved. Now, even if something replaces it, it likely won’t be better, and accompanied by far more destruction. In reality, the situation has become much worse.
for Cuba, it’s not even clear what the objective is. Cuba is not a threat to the United States. It sometimes feels like the issue is that, despite being a poor country under heavy sanctions, Cuba has a healthcare system that performs better than that of the U.S. If the U.S. had continued along the path set by Obama (lifting sanctions and normalizing relations) there’s a good chance U.S.–Cuba relations would be positive today, and the outcome would be better for everyone.
Honestly, part of the problem is that when Trump dismantled Obama-era policies, Biden did not restore them, whether on the JCPOA or on Cuba sanctions. That would have made Trump's move impossible or difficult. Trump is to blame first for sure, but Biden too.
BendicantMias@reddit (OP)
I wouldn't say no one. Everyone keeps pointing at China and Russia, but they're nowhere near that region. The ones who should be stepping in are Cuba's Latin American neighbours, and especially Brazil. And yet none of them do anything.
Hell if the countries of Latin America helped support a guerilla resistance in Cuba, then China and Russia may even be happy to support it by shipping them boats full of weapons to be smuggled into Cuba via these nations.
But they don't. Latin America keeps taking hits, and never hits back. 😑
BendicantMias@reddit (OP)
No one wants to fight the US in the air or water unless they have to, or are close to home. The war that China and Russia would prefer to fight, anywhere, and which they have pushed the US back with, is on the ground. Even Iran would rather fight on the ground. But Trump is too chicken to invade Iran (if it were another man, I'd call this wisdom, but we're talking about Trump here). Getting the US bogged down in a war it can't leave is in China's interests, but that still isn't what we've got in Iran. If Trump were to invade and get bogged down, I expect China will start sending lots of weapons at least to Iran.
Cuba ofc is too far away. Impossible to supply effectively. Unless...
The real failure wrt Cuba isn't China or Russia, it's their own neighbours in Latin America. All they need to do is to support and supply a guerilla resistance. The US doesn't have a good track record with those, as your own country well knows. China may even help support it too, indirectly of course.
jcooli09@reddit
I don't think so. China hasn't got much invested in Cuba and Putin has bigger fish to fry.
No_Listen5389@reddit
I hope that`s the case!
jcooli09@reddit
Maybe that one will make Americans forget about the Epstein files
I don't think so, but maybe.
It's really embarrassing that this clown got elected twice, and also that he still enjoys the approval rating that he does.
BendicantMias@reddit (OP)
Not if Melania has anything to say about it. Which apparently she does. 🫠
jcooli09@reddit
That may be the best thing she's ever done in her life.
Jealous_Acorn@reddit
I'm supposed to be "proud to be an American" ever since my parents moved me here and then they do stuff like talk about doing to Cuba what they did to my island over 100 years ago. American soldiers have shot and killed my people for wanting independence. Hell, just for waving our flag.
The USA has never changed. Terrorists.
variaati0@reddit
Hey they already did the same thing to Cuba already century ago. Just didn't officially annex it. Instead pretty much kept choosing who rules Cuba. If leader didn't stay in line, send the marines, military occupation, military governor until new willing puppet was found.
Lyricanna@reddit
Its aruguably worse than that. Imagine if the US Revolutionary War ended with Britian giving the 13 colonies to France rather than reconise the Declaration of Independence.
That is basically what Spain did, give the country to the Major Power who joined in late and was vital to the final battle.
Ironsam811@reddit
Are you Cuban or Puerto Rican or both? Just curious
In regardless to Cuban Americans: they voted for this stronger than anyone. Many can point to the Cuban vote as the defining moment he won’t Florida in 2016.
Jealous_Acorn@reddit
I am fully Puerto Rican. I like to think I'm pretty familiar with the history of Cuba and who the Cuban people are. However, it seems many of the Cubans who came to the USA have themselves forgotten who they are. It breaks my heart that any Latin American bows to white-led authoritarianism.
Acceptable-Device760@reddit
Lets not beat around the bush: Cuban Americans are in general the family of people that benefited from Batista dictatorship and fled the country when the benefits ended.
They in general either arent good people, or are the descendants of not good people that spoke about how good they have, omitting the part they were benefitting from a dictatorship. Or they didnt omit and these people dont care about how they were getting their benefits.
BendicantMias@reddit (OP)
Worth noting that a chunk of Cuban Americans are descended from the formerly landed elite of Cuba during the Batista dictatorship, which the US actively supported, who Castro drove out when Batista was toppled. That's very different from the majority Cubans in Cuba who supported and participated in Castro's revolution. Others are exiles from later, who of course joined in with their hatred of Castro. Their agenda is based on bitterness.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulgencio_Batista
Incidentally a similar dynamic is at play wrt the Iranian diaspora, which is why they support the return of the Shah so much. The Shah was good for their section of the populace, while the Revolution ended their lives of privilege.
WongFarmHand@reddit
It's an interesting thought experiment as to what you'd do if you were a higher up in the PCC these last few months
Obviously you want to limit the damage of the decapitation strikes the US will inevitably launch, probably under the guise of negotiations, but you also don't have the military heft of Iran or a strategic asset to leverage
Efforts to decentralize power will be vital, but beyond that I guess you should just make sure you do zoom meetings instead of face to face
Johannes_P@reddit
I wonder if local military officers might instead be handed large instructions to follow if La Habana can't give orders, in order to fight an asymetric war.
BendicantMias@reddit (OP)
They would need supplies, which means the rest of Latin America would need to stop constantly being passive victims and actually help them fight back.
GerryAdamsSon@reddit
When the whole world comes crashing down, and you are backed into a corner, what do you do? Flail and hope for the best
Trump and his team of uneducated goons are just flailing
Jumbo-box@reddit
Iran is too poweful for them so they default back to shitting on the defenceless.
digital-didgeridoo@reddit
Daddy needs one more quick victory to feel good about his most powerful military
BendicantMias@reddit (OP)
Well, also to guarantee he wins the Florida vote..
GovernmentBig2749@reddit
US ALREADY WON IN IRAN, 28 TIMES!
Jumbo-box@reddit
OBLITERATED.
The US just showing us they've mastered a 5 syllable word 😉
ThevaramAcolytus@reddit
Remember when the Iranian nuclear program was "totally obliterated" with no hope or chance of revival in the 12 Day war last summer, so then a new major war had to be launched months later in response to the threat of the Iranian nuclear program since they were now on the verge of nukes again like they've been since 1992?
The world must be sick to death of these lying scum.
Professional-Syrup-0@reddit
I remember how the whole Epstein troupe made liberal use of “obliterated”
On another note: The way many US government websites have changed over this last year is bonkers. WH website having pop ups declaring the “golden age” is like ad-spam meets fascism.
The US Institute of Peace used to be a surprisingly revealing/factual official source for US foreign policy, these days it’s the landing page for Trumps “Board of Peace” scam.
If people made this stuff up 5 years ago as dystopian fiction nobody would have believed it, yet here we are living right through it.
imunfair@reddit
I think everyone sane agreed at the time those strikes happened that it was at best a temporary delay and Trump's victory declaration was just saving face. They had excavators at the site less than a week later digging out the entrance.
GovernmentBig2749@reddit
Trump has the best words, he is a great non chess playing 7 d chess player
cookiengineer@reddit
Why stop at 7D? Trump is OBLITERATING the 1 MILLION D chess game!
Professional-Syrup-0@reddit
“We only keep farming Iran for prestige levels!”
splashbodge@reddit
Greenland is 100% going to be back on the menu very soon, I hope Europe aren't sitting idly by thinking Iran distracted him away from further Greenland threats.
If anything he'll use NATOs unwillingness to help with Iran as further reasons to his base as to why NATO cannot be relied upon and use as reason for taking Greenland.
This script is writing itself.. end goal, US leaving NATO, giving Putin exactly what he wanted
cookiengineer@reddit
Imagine WW3 actually starting and all the major powers except China are all out of ammo on day 1.
Sounds insane, but that's the way it's gonna happen due to their incompetence.
BufferUnderpants@reddit
WW3 gets punted until the next decade because all the fading empires are out of ammo, while China can just keep rising to the top by selling stuff.
GreeboBirb@reddit
I for one welcome our new Chinese overlords
GnomeWarfair@reddit
Wrong, they aren't uneducated, incopitany goons. Neo-nazi philosphy of accelerationism. Destroy and destabalise as much of the existing order, facilitate a collapse. Use violence and lies to take absolute control.
Flood the zone.
jenny_905@reddit
The child raping piece of shit wants to set the world on fire before he departs. America has every opportunity to put an end to this stupidity before he gets a chance to make things even worse.
I know everyone expected the world order to shift and this to be the Chinese century but it's remarkable how quickly things are shifting now. The USA only seems to want to cause chaos and bring itself down, there's no discernible benefit from a move like this.
BendicantMias@reddit (OP)
There is - Florida. This isn't just his idea, there's a sizable votebase to capture by doing it. Doesn't matter if it benefits the country or not, it benefits the party.
Kuhelikaa@reddit
Someone please throw trump another FIFA peace prize, or better yet,a Nobel peace prize.He has far exceeded Obama in terms of peacemaking and approaching Kissinger
BendicantMias@reddit (OP)
Tbf he doesn't really talk about the Peace Prize much anymore. I think after last years snubbing he's concluded the Nobel committee is trash and taken that as permission to go full war mode if he likes. He hasn't really talked about his peacemaking much since the Maduro capture, which showed him the political benefits of militarism. It was his 'success' with Venezuela that likely gave him the confidence to go after Iran, and now his difficulties in Iran may drive him to attack an easier target like Cuba to try to boost his polling again after this Iran fiasco tanked them. He needs to keep 'winning'.
biggiy05@reddit
He hasn't talked about the board of peace lately either. We see how well that group is working.
Careful-Trade-9666@reddit
Russia will conduct a “naval visit” to Cuba and there goes that.
imunfair@reddit
Eh, Russia can't stop the US in Cuba just like we can't stop them in Ukraine. Sending oil was nice but if we go in militarily Russia can't prevent it.
willjoke4food@reddit
But Putin is busy with Ukraine and is taking heavy losses there
BendicantMias@reddit (OP)
Russia has already sent oil tankers to Cuba fyi.
unabsolute@reddit
He'll never be finished with the Iran quagmire.
Level_Hour6480@reddit
Fascists love starting extra wars when they haven't finished their first.
Capable-Yam4557@reddit
This is very much like Hitler tried to invade Britain but failed, then just proceeded to invade Balkan, thinking that UK won't be much a problem for him down the line, only to bite him in the ass 4 years later.
Level_Hour6480@reddit
Or Netanyahu today.
EarlOfThrouaway@reddit
At least JD 'sofa-sucker' Vance can boast they stopped all aid to Ukraine so they wouldn't be 'wasting' munitions on pointless stuff.
Well, if this kicks off at least we might see a '54 Chevy technical.
Koalamanx@reddit
Can some foreign agency please stop him. Quickly. Silently. Jesus, I can't take it anymore, if you would have told me this 10 yrs ago, I would have chopped off my left nut to prove you wrong.