Correcting night time from 15 years ago?
Posted by inspiredpotatoe@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 7 comments
Military pilot. My first assignment I was terrible at logging anything but IP time. Can I update my civilian log book to capture night time? I know I was cross-country with a student if I logged IP time and had the same tail for 6 sorties Friday-Sunday. Syllabus always drove 1 night leg on Friday, 1 night leg on Saturday. My hard copy flight records don’t have it.
Thoughts from someone outside the mil or that maybe had a similar experience?
trollisme_iamtroll@reddit
I’m going to assume that you’re logging your hours because you want to work at a legacy some day.
If your logbook is amazing (tabbed-up, career summary, milestones, etc.) and you have a good interview, then the chances they’re gonna do a full scrub of your logbook against your entire “line-by-line” you get from SARM are probably low. It’s kind of understood there’s going to be some weirdness converting your hours from military to civilian.
What I’m worried about is the fact that - with night time - you can’t really hide behind same the ambiguity that you can with converting primary/secondary/instructor time into PIC time. Your civilian night time should equal your military flight time. And the interview team wouldn’t have to work very hard to compare the night time you put in your online application to the night time on your FHR.
The last thing you want to have happen in your interview is have to answer questions about your logbooks. You’re just introducing more chance into something that’s already going to be stressful, and you’re going to be knocked off your game.
American Airlines especially is anal about logbook stuff, and I’d heard stories of half an interview class having to do logbook reviews (many of whom were military), and in my interview class 2 people went to logbook reviews - both military. Delta seemed a lot more chill about logbooks, but I put the same amount of effort into my flight records.
If I were you, if the night hours you’d get from this aren’t very significant I wouldn’t bother. If they are significant - like you won’t meet a minimum requirement to get an interview - then maybe you need to talk to SARM. I don’t know of an official process to update flight hours, but maybe there’s some obscure way to do it.
If you still want to go with updating your logbooks with night time that’s not on your military record, just know there’s a chance it may be brought up at an interview.
EliteEthos@reddit
You want to correct your military logged time in your civilian logbook?
Assuming this is USAF flying, do you not use your SARM generated records for as your military logbook?
I think it looks shady to go back and try to change those. You not have conflicting info from your official flying record.
japanfrog@reddit
that’s just a logbook reconstruction with some mil to civ transcriptions no?
GeneratedUserHandle@reddit
You were a FAIP. Go get your TIMS 781A summaries printed out and it show times and then you can see night
Prof_Slappopotamus@reddit
Yup.
You have several options on how to do it. Either add a line with the total night time and a short explanation, or go back to those specific flights, add the time, initial and date it, then create the "add" line for your totals with the explanation.
Or any valid combination that gives you the time you flew.
ltcterry@reddit
You may make any valid corrections you like. It’s your logbook. Any you’re being honest, right?
Unless an instructor is signing your logbook it’s all on the honor system anyway.
rFlyingTower@reddit
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Military pilot. My first assignment I was terrible at logging anything but IP time. Can I update my civilian log book to capture night time? I know I was cross-country with a student if I logged IP time and had the same tail for 6 sorties Friday-Sunday. Syllabus always drove 1 night leg on Friday, 1 night leg on Saturday. My hard copy flight records don’t have it.
Thoughts from someone outside the mil or that maybe had a similar experience?
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