Is there anything we can actually do about anti gun laws?
Posted by preparedbassfisher@reddit | Firearms | View on Reddit | 93 comments
watching what is happening in Virginia and I’m sure other states, has me wondering this lately. It seems gun politicians are successfully using the death by 1000 cuts method to ban firearms.
For example in Virginia, they proposed a semi auto rifle ban and a 15 round magazine capacity ban but grandfathered in preowned guns and magazines.
In this latest version of the bill as far as I’m understanding, they have decided that you can keep your grandfathered magazines, but can only use 15 round magazines outside of the home for concealed carry.
Then, as we see, in other states, the possibility would be OK now the mag limit is 10. Sorry about that.
Then oh, you actually cant have pre-banned things anymore (like Rhoad Island) Sorry about that.
Thus over the course of however many years you go from being able to own AR 15s with standard magazines to then being limited a little bit and then limited more till you get to laws like California, New York, etc.
not to be 100% doom and gloom, but I see no light at the end of the tunnel. Maybe I’m just lost in the sauce.
The federal government and the Supreme Court in my eyes seem to not care and are not willing to do anything about it and from a citizens perspective no one wants to do anything drastic.
I am in no way shape or form advocating for violence, but from a historical perspective, the second amendment is there so that we have the means to use arms against the government if they become tyrannical and or infringe on birth given or constitutional rights.
I myself am not willing to do that in this day and age one because it’s a suicide mission because we’re so divided on when the time is to do such a thing that I personally don’t think we have the organization to get it done.
so saying that I feel like they’ve won so other than voting against politicians so that I can have my Glock 17 magazine for 10 more years. What can I do other than keep up-to-date with state law and say OK cool I guess I’m limited to 15 rounds OK. I guess I’m not limited to 10 and just sitting there and dealing with it.
my personal opinion again, not willing to fight in the streets is that “noncompliance“ is bull. it’s just confirming your incarceration because if they ban a over 10 round magazines, and you say I’m not gonna comply all that means is you’re continue carrying your 17 round magazine and then get arrested when/if you have to use it in a previously lawful situation. in that situation I feel I would wish that I had complied and use the legal magazine instead of ““sticking it to the man“ and ending up in prison away from my family for 10 years.
again, this is a very doom and gloom post, but I am wondering what others think on the matter and if there’s anything you plan or think we can do outside of voting and donating to pro gun organizations, and after that just bending over to the next infringement until there’s nothing left.
Sorry for the downer of a question
Outside_Signature403@reddit
There are disadvantages to “democracy” when the population has been brainwashed.
2MGR@reddit
A direct democracy was never a fantastic idea. But federal government would never go for a more equitable system.
2MGR@reddit
Short answer: No. It's inevitable and unavoidable. Have fun while you can.
2MGR@reddit
I will get downvoted for this but these subs are always horribly optimistic when there is no reason to be.
JimMarch@reddit
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1V2qEWfff4CUgAdO9tK-NZgf905_YdR7J/view
Leptonshavenocolor@reddit
In VA myself. It’s all bullshit. What scares me is the stuff in RI where they are trying to make gun ownership illegal. Like how TF do you fight that? Just become a felon I guess.
preparedbassfisher@reddit (OP)
You think if I had a 17 round mag in New York and used it against a criminal…I wouldn’t get charged with a felony?
Leptonshavenocolor@reddit
I don’t know, you just laid out a very broad scenario. IANAL, but if you are in an otherwise lawful justified situation, I think a prosecutor would have a hard time brining charges against you, but I can’t speak to if the ATF or federal government would do otherwise. But I also had an associate of mine serve 3 years in prison for defending his family and property that resulted in deaths. He was in a small town that had a good ol’ boy system working against him.
Sensitive_Box_@reddit
Of course you'd go to jail in NY...
preparedbassfisher@reddit (OP)
Right so why would you risk it
Leptonshavenocolor@reddit
I’m not saying you should. It was meant as a general response to your query.
It’s meaningless in terms of how bullshit all gun laws are. And it’s not like thing aren’t just going to get worse like RI
juggarjew@reddit
Yes, if you are involved in a shooting they will put you under a microscope, and you'd better come up clean.
Ok_Muffin_925@reddit
No.
All we can do is vote Republican all the time every time regardless of the person, their character, or their track record.
Had most Virginia Republicans voted last November, Sears may very well have won and vetoed all these bills like Youngkin did.
But instead many thought "she isn't the perfect candidate," so some Republicans passed on voting, Enough to matter.
Then there is the Spanberger deception plan where she hoodwinked enough people to get them to not vote with her "moderate, focused of affordability, Second Amendment believer, former cop" bullcrap. A lot of gun owners on both sides of the aisle did not foresee this. They should have but they didnt because her campaign fooled them into not voting.
Other things you can do is join all the Second Amendment and Gun organizations like GoA and FPC.
But that's about it.
smokeyser@reddit
It's hard to justify voting republican, though. Sure, they're good on gun rights. But absolutely terrible for everything else.
GamecockInGeorgia@reddit
They're not even good on gun rights.
OutlandishnessMain56@reddit
They actually are I’m sure there are one offs but for the most part they don’t mess with guns. The 1 beautiful bill literally removed tax stamps for silencers. I would have never thought that would happen.
GamecockInGeorgia@reddit
They removed the tax to try and save face with their voters (which apparently worked, as you are an example).
Enjoy the $5000 tax that will be put in place as soon as the other side has power back.
A pro-2a party would have removed them from the NFA altogether, which they absolutely had the power to do. I'm done being happy with "compromise".
OutlandishnessMain56@reddit
That’s fine. I’ll take that over nothing. Every additional gun right I can get I will take and if that leads to the optics of one party then taking that away I will be right there to criticize them.
GamecockInGeorgia@reddit
What right did you get from this? The right to not have to spend $200 yet still have to register a metal tube?
Don't let them pee on you and tell you it's raining.
FlapperGasfire@reddit
They could be better. Compared to the alternative, they're absolutely amazing.
smokeyser@reddit
They're the only thing standing between us and an assault weapon and standard capacity magazine ban in MN right now.
OutlandishnessMain56@reddit
Well you have to way your options and how important gun rights are. No politician is going to be perfect.
Cxmxbamf@reddit
How are you going to react when they come knocking at your door? You and your family going peacefully? I know mine ain't.
TrainOfThot98@reddit
By that point it’s too late. The people doing this are aware they can’t handle a genuine uprising, so they toe the line just enough. But as conditions deteriorate, that may not be enough.
Anyways, always remember that the people who want you to be a slave have names and addresses, and that infrastructure in the US often poorly maintained and not well guarded.
preparedbassfisher@reddit (OP)
Now you’re dead and they go to the next door. You took out 3 people out of thousands. Good job
DBDude@reddit
Alexander Solzhenitsyn understood the concept:
joesyxpac@reddit
There’s a old saying, “all politics is local”. No one wants to get involved. No one wants to knock on doors, man the booth at the fair, contribute to candidates. Hell, most people skip the off year elections. But everyone wants to complain when it goes the other way. Be willing to stretch your comfort zone and campaign for what you believe in.
SightAtTheMoon@reddit
Hyper-criminalize violence. Enact universal healthcare. Abolish the AMA. Take care of the mentally ill. Seriously research and attempt to fund a universal basic income of some amount to reduce the necessity of some for crime for survival. Enshrine the 2nd Amendment in a way that ensures it can never be taken apart. Enshrine the civilian ownership of any weapon not designed to harm more than a single person per action (so, no explosives for the common person, but full auto is fine).
And, realistically, enact a National Gun Registry. There's nothing unconstitutional about it. And if they come to take your weapons, use them like you said you would.
We're where we are now because the Boomers and X'ers didn't do what they said they would do.
Strong_Dentist_7561@reddit
I’ma change the “vote” to a better use of “v-o-t-e”… REVOLT
KataifiKalamari@reddit
Move outside of city limits
hipsterasshipster@reddit
It’s a struggle when you aren’t going to vote for the Epstein Party, but also want your gun rights.
preparedbassfisher@reddit (OP)
Epstein party lets you defend yourself. Non Epstein party takes your guns away so you can’t defend yourself for the next Epstein party.
But also no one is doing shit now so, what’s the point
hipsterasshipster@reddit
To be fair, at this point the only people I feel like I need to defend myself from are the ones who shoot a citizen for legally carrying a firearm and then labels them a domestic terrorist/shuts down any investigation that would hold themselves accountable.
At that point who gives a fuck what the “laws” are anyway lol
Ernie_McCracken88@reddit
A) get stuff struck down by the SC
b) keep supporting companies who innovate like super safeties and get to show the hopelessness of trying to regulate engineering when you really want to regulate an outcome of the engineering. same thing kinda happened with switchblades, they banned a spring loaded mechanism actuated by a button that makes the knife spring out. so companies just made the hump stick through the spine of the knife and you swipe that and it comes out, youre actually pushing on the blade not a button. or heck, emerson wave is even faster its coming out before it's out of your pocket.
Low-Landscape-4609@reddit
The most important thing is to donate to a lobbying group like GOA.
Cuz even more important than voting. Why? Because when gun rights organizations throw big money at politicians, they tend to listen.
TrainOfThot98@reddit
A lot of doom and gloom here, which is understandable. RIP my home state, I really wanted to come back to VA at some point.
But, I think the fight is far from over. The overall gun culture has massively improved over the past few years and decades. CCW, NFA, tactical stuff in general has become normalized. Lots of constitutional carry states. Far more people support the 2A than probably any point in history. Pro gun groups have more support too.
Also, legally speaking, I think slowly the tides are turning. SCOTUS is ignoring AWBs, but they’ve been addressing lots of other stuff. Bruen made a difference, even if it should’ve done more. I can get a CA carry license, people in NYC can carry now. That was not possible before.
They’ll also very likely hear an AWB/Mag Ban case soonish, I would wager good money that after the Third Circuit finishes screwing around we’ll get our circuit split.
Yes, it’s bad we have to put up with this shit, but steppers are steppers, and they’re violating all our rights on a daily basis. Idk, I just think people are quick to doom about all this.
As to OPs question, people are right about public outreach, local elections, etc. Optics matter too, moving the Overton window with regards to 2A (and all the other As too tbh).
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Arconomach@reddit
I wish we’d go back to being a constitution based nation. Most, if not all of them, have been infringed by the people (government) they’re supposed to stop from infringing.
sickofredditfascists@reddit
Remind your lawmakers who they work for. You guys were capable of armed protest not too long ago, what happened?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_VCDL_Lobby_Day
Cdwollan@reddit
Unlike what the mouth breathers here are saying, politics is an influence game. The best thing you can do is outreach far and wide in to attract allies.
Tying gun rights to the GOP ticket is going to hurt us in the end because now you have to sell gun rights as a civil rights with a party actively opposed to the concept of a civil right.
Inquisitor_Machina@reddit
Run for office and be the change
DIRTBOY12@reddit
Nothing! But sides want us disarmed, period.
The hell with the constitution. But Liberals are the worse!
TheFatMouse@reddit
I don't know. I'm personally to the left of the democrats, but any chance of voting for a democrat ever again has been nuked by these insane gun laws. I'll literally never vote for a democrat again at any level of government. It aint much, but its honest work.
preparedbassfisher@reddit (OP)
I absolutely hate it but I agree. Call your reps and tell em why
volckerwasright@reddit
I personally don’t think so, the list of ban states grows every cycle. Every gun owner in America is on the clock.
fender_blues@reddit
A quick google says that \~31% of Americans already are under the effects of an AWB. A federal ban becomes increasingly irrelevant as that number increases.
juggarjew@reddit
The death by 1000 cuts shit is why we cant give an inch on anything, if the left stop coming after guns they'd honestly probably win the house, senate and presidency in short order. But they cant help themselves. Lots of people are single issue voters, and if they've stop the rabid anti gun shit they'd honestly be a lot more popular.
GoatUSA47@reddit
Vote in the Republican primaries for pro-gun candidates and then vote Republican down the ballot in the general election.
preparedbassfisher@reddit (OP)
Arguably maybe vote in the democratic primaries for pro gun candidates on that side? If there are any
fender_blues@reddit
I'm about to become a MN resident and every single member of the MN house is an F-rated gun rights voter. I've reached out to the three dem/DFL senators who have blocked gun control in the past; one has already flipped and said she will support an AWB. I suspect that MN will be in the same spot as VA a year from now, if they don't try to push through a special session this fall to expedite the process so Walz gets to be the one to sign the bill.
JohnJuanJones@reddit
Yes, let’s vote for a authoritarian regime. They definitely won’t come for our guns /s. You guys need to wake the fuck up
Ancient-Bat8274@reddit
Dems do it too man. I lived in CA they’re just as draconian
JohnJuanJones@reddit
They do but it’s not the same…
Amendments that the dems have gone after forever: The 2nd amendment.
Amendments that the GOP has gone after in the LAST YEAR: 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 10th, 14th, 15th, 19th, 22nd.
I fully disagree with all these new gun regulations and it affects me too but come on. I wish more people could critically think about this and not hyperfocus on one issue that is distracting from the absolute shit show that’s going on. I get this is a firearms sub but it’s not worth sinking the ship over the cannon having to have smaller cannon balls
Ancient-Bat8274@reddit
I think you are lost sir…
GoatUSA47@reddit
Democrats implementing unconstitutional assault weapon bans in every state they gain enough control is more authoritarian than anything the Republicans have done.
JohnJuanJones@reddit
lol if you believe that you are lost
ChevTecGroup@reddit
Vote. And educate.
Educating people who are ignorant to firearms, the importance of our rights, and the negative effects of gun laws will help get them to vote in our favor as well.
JohnJuanJones@reddit
Single issue voting is dumb and everyone should really think long and hard about that
ChevTecGroup@reddit
Of you really think about it. The 2A is the only right that guarantees the others. So voting for 2a is voting for all rights
preparedbassfisher@reddit (OP)
I agree but bluntly if you don’t single issue vote on firearms, you have accepted the right is going to go away. There isn’t a middle ground.
Leptonshavenocolor@reddit
That’s extremely sad and doesn’t bode well for the future.
cowboy3gunisfun@reddit
This right here, I've never met a shooter who was anti gun. I have met several "anti gun" people who've never once even touched a firearm.
WillBrink@reddit
Vote and educate. This is the way.
preparedbassfisher@reddit (OP)
100%
Strong-Ad-4490@reddit
In my opinion no one has really given you the right answer…
Sure you can educate, advocate, and vote. But let’s be real…what difference will one person doing this make? None.
Only option you have is to move. I moved out of NJ and the major reason was the laws.
FlapperGasfire@reddit
That's a temporary fix. It will come to your state and the federal level eventually
Strong-Ad-4490@reddit
So you just move again…
I don’t see how one person advocating, educating, and voting makes any realized difference. Don’t get me wrong, we should all do our part for our 2A rights in this regard. But the only option you have as an individual is to move somewhere that the laws match your ideals.
GamecockInGeorgia@reddit
Lot's of people saying "vote".
Bad news friends, no one ever voted their way out of tyranny.
preparedbassfisher@reddit (OP)
That’s exactly what I’m saying
DumbNTough@reddit
The same thing we do every night, Pinky: sue the government into oblivion.
(Also support FPC and GOA. So they can sue the government into oblivion.)
preparedbassfisher@reddit (OP)
Massachusetts has been without standard capacity magazines for 32 years. It’s like running into a wall and hoping the wall moves
GenericUsername817@reddit
Be prepared for "the shot heard around the world" 2
preparedbassfisher@reddit (OP)
Do you ACTUALLY think anyone in this country has the balls do do that? Last 10 years every state that has proposed this stuff has just…let it happen without anything other than holding signs
xhypurr@reddit
Vote for people that care about 2A. The pragmatic reality is that while most Republicans aren’t particularly 2A-supportive in specific terms, a vanishingly small amount actually support gun control in any meaningful shape or form.
Compare that to Democrats, who do, in fact, enact a laundry list of shitty policies the second they have the chance (see Virginia, as you said). I am a political libertarian by nature, but the amount of people I see in online political discourse equate D and R as equally bad for 2A is insane.
No. They’re not the same at all. Whatever bullshit thing of the week Trump says about Alex Pretti has no comparison on the Virginia governor pushing an AWB and a mag ban 4 months after getting elected. If you value the 2A above all else vote for a Republican.
OutlandishnessMain56@reddit
It literally blows my mind. Democrats have been going off non stop about banning guns for my entire life literally every chance they can, and people are like. How could this happen? How come all these people who voted don’t even know what semi automatic is? The amount of morons on this issue is astounding!!
FatnessEverdeen34@reddit
And remember: she was "a moderate."
Vote accordingly
Walkerlovr89@reddit
So much for that lmao
annonimity2@reddit
Take newbies shooting, when guns are demistified alot of the lies that gun control is predicated on fall apart.
The_white_devil22@reddit
Get a backhoe and stop worrying about it.
scorpionewmoon@reddit
Tbh we need to break the two party political duopoly, there’s a reason they don’t teach the two axis political spectrum in schools, they want to keep it left/right so they can slowly creep up towards authoritarianism, but it’s not left vs right, it’s top vs bottom. Get out in your local community and form bonds with people different than you, this is what they’re most afraid of. Others have said education, maybe your community or one close to you could benefit from free gun safety classes?
GoatUSA47@reddit
Terrible idea. We see how more parties has worked in Europe. They create factions with all the left wing parties and the center right to ice out the right wing (which would be all of our pro-2a politicians).
scorpionewmoon@reddit
1 - this isn’t Europe, if our politics were shaped like theirs, I don’t think the only party being pro gun would be the farthest right, but honestly:
2 - that’s not what I’m suggesting? I’m simply saying the two party system is a big part of what’s to blame here, it allows the worst of both parties to rise to the top.
3 - you didn’t address my actual suggestion, touch grass and make real world connections with the people around you.
Big_Z_Diddy@reddit
At this point? Probably not. SCOTUS doesn't seem to care, and there are apparently no consequences for defying their rulings, so the antis will still do whatever they want.
We can educate people who are ignorant of guns, but let's be honest, people are fucking stupid, and most don't want to be educated, or even care whether or not your AR-15 is legal or not.
We can vote for pro-gun (REAL pro gun, not just pro gun during election cycles) politicians, but those are rare, and outnumbered by the antis.
And no, violent insurrection isn't going to happen. It would have already if it were. People are too comfortable and lazy to leave their homes to go fight an insurgent war. The ones that are the actual hard chargers (no, I don't mean the Meal Team 6 "Militias" either) are too few in number to be any use.
So we buy what we can, when we can, preferably off-book private sales. Learn to build your own. Learn to machine. They can't stop the signal.
But that only gets us so far. Eventually the only firearms we will be allowed to own is a single shot .22 with a bent barrel and no sights, and that'll require a $5,000 tax stamp and a stool sample, and be required to be kept disassembled, locked, and at a gun club. That's the future of the 2nd Amendment if the antis get what they want. And they always get what they want eventually.
purdinpopo@reddit
Vote or vote with your feet. However if you leave then it's entirely likely it will get worse there.
Call your representatives and express your displeasure at anti gun laws. If your representatives voted for anti gun laws then actively support their replacement. Be an educated and polite gun owner.
Ruthless4u@reddit
Hope the Supreme Court rules correctly.
Educate people, offer to take a responsible person who is anti gun to a range to go shooting. 22lr pistols and rifles are great for this.
Don’t count on politicians to do the right thing no matter what they promise.
Sal-LeMandeur@reddit
Shit talking your politicians when they come around, but they've heard it all before - there's no gotchas and instead of reasoning their position they will dodge, and people will accept it. Nobody gives a shit about us. We're not marching in the streets going "We have rights, our guns aren't for fights: get used to it!" waving a multicam flag with a bunch of gun-bunnies up front. The moment they put you in the closet saying you can't take your guns out to protest was the time to do that.
Or, if it matters enough to you: fucking ignore the laws, be willing to be the test case, demand liberty or death. Live out there enjoying your rights and freedoms and know good from bad - that's about it.
sqlbullet@reddit
Write your elected officials.
Show up to public hearings about these bills. If committee meetings are public, show up there as well.
Become active in the political process upstream from elections. Attend debates, town halls, caucuses and definitely vote.
Find topics you align with the "other side" of the isle about. Attend rally's and protests for those topics. Build common ground and then use that common ground to influence incorrect beliefs about gun laws.
Get certified in some kind of firearms training and offer training. Ignorance is the foundation for lots of stupid laws.
consultantdetective@reddit
We need to take over small, local democratic party chapters and get us, as a bloc, off the republican plantation. Get involved, push for other D issues on affordability, Healthcare, consumer protection, racial & gender equality, etc etc, and put proper 2A advocacy in the mix. It's gonna take a lot of time & effort but it's the only way for us & the next generations to not have to fear what happens when the shoe's on the other foot.
As long as our votes as a bloc skew 4:1 for republicans, democrats will continue to treat the issue as a way to pander to the gun-ignorant within their base by dunking on the other tribe.
Theres4ofUs@reddit
They’ve been doing this since I was born in 1980. Bill Clinton banned all mags above 10 rounds federally. I made a killing off 30 round existing mags back then. And, as Americans, we let his ban expire.
The key is to PARTICIPATE IN LOCAL ELECTIONS. It’s way more important than voting for a president. If the people in charge of holding your president accountable are actually picked by YOU and not the 90 year old woman who actually is voting in your local elections, you can bypass this problem as a whole.
ddonquixote@reddit
Organize state advocacy groups that have voter drives, funding, and lobby at the state level. This is being attacked on a state by state basis currently, so we need individual state-level organizations who know their states and legislators and voters.
OX48035@reddit
yeah, you can vote those idiots out.
Ancient-Bat8274@reddit
Vote and educate. Thats really it tbh
Franticalmond2@reddit
Lol.
asoupo77@reddit
Mass noncompliance.