Are managers really scared/worried/wary of losing their high performers or is it just another bluff?
Posted by jM2me@reddit | sysadmin | View on Reddit | 69 comments
If you are a high performer on your team, do you get a sense that your manager really does not want to lose you and is upfront or honest for the most part?
Similar question for those have high performer direct reports, do you think you are wary about losing your high performers and are you really trying to be honest or just padding the truth?
Personal stuff after this point so feel free to skip. I was told that I am a high performer and my pay history with company shows that (in a way). Overall, I am happy in general, not as of lately, and even pissed with some things that have occurred in last few months.
My manager, I think he is doing great job, and I have nothing personal against him. However, if I saw through some padded truth in the past and let it be, now it is more obvious, less obscure, and very questionable. The promises carry less and less weight. The pep-talks are just there and nice to spend time on. The drive to do awesome work is gone. Attention to details don't really matter anymore either.
Part of this stems from having few key positions open and not filled it, and as past experience has shown the high performers are the ones usually covering those. Just for a point, two manager positions have been open and filled about 3 times each in last two years. Every time each started, there was the learning period and then the term/separation.
I know few other's on team are sick of doing over and over and not advancing themself, meanwhile being promised the advance. The pay increases have been good, but at this point they are not as important.
latchkeylessons@reddit
I've been a manager/director for almost 20 years now. I have always been concerned about losing those folks. But most middle management has nearly zero impact on keeping them. There's a few occasions where you can put people up for promotion or maybe a slightly higher percentage on a salary increase or something like that, but no executive team is going to leave that freedom up to people with all those IC direct reports.
What are you trying to figure out? Or what do you want rather? If you dislike your work situation your manager is going to have some limited levers to pull, but not many in reality.
greensparten@reddit
Director here, and the answer is Absolutely. I got fantastic guys on my team, that obviously perform well, but they also have incredible knowledge. So losing them would be terrible.
Harry_Bolsagna@reddit
I'm told that and believe it. But I don't rely on it. Always keep yourself relevant and marketable.
Your manager appreciating you only goes so far when your company is forced to make cuts and Brad the beancounter can't wrap his head around why you make three times as much as your offshore counterparts.
michivideos@reddit
My hours 57 The other 40
I mean Brad, numbers....
graywolfman@reddit
This is it. My last company had a roughly 8-year outsourcing cycle.
Check into outsourcing, see costs could go down, outsource, see all quality of work plummets, freak out, bring it back in house. Wait a few years, check into outsourcing...see costs could go down, outsource... Repeat until your company no longer exists
Sweet_Mother_Russia@reddit
Management needs to seem like they’re doing something. And doing something is making changes. Even if those changes are constantly fucking stupid.
PappySmear508@reddit
Brad the bean counter! 🤣
Wartz@reddit
Yes and no.
LookAtThatMonkey@reddit
I’m a high performer and got a decent pay bump this year with added responsibility. My boss says I’d be the first call he makes if he leaves. I don’t believe a word of it and I have a good working relationship with him.
OtherFeedback@reddit
It's more an annoyance of having to cover the work. They don't want to lose you but if upper management says someone's got to go. It's them or you. They won't care about letting you go because they risk losing their job if they push back.
Ark161@reddit
Everyone is replacable. That is just a fact of life. Shit, I have seen, and was told outright that I was invaluable and that when I had a medical emergency, it was a really bad time for everyone. I dont really believe it, because at the end of the day we are all numbers in a spreadsheet. I have been written up for being honest with people and I have seen the same people that wrote me up be terminated.
Sometimes, employer neeeds a reality check. If they think you do not add value, challenge that. If you want growth, tell them your goals for growth so that a discussion can be had. Itf they do not align with your goals (or wages), keep your feelers out. After all, you know the work you provide, and a lot of people take blind advantage of the services we provide.
DestinyForNone@reddit
IT is 40% Technical skills, and 60% people skills.
People skills include knowing how to play "the game," as my Senior Manager would put it.
Make yourself visible with your accomplishments, be friendly/make friends with people. Be seen.
You're a cog in the machine, for all most people care if they don't see you. Or worse, an annoyance.
You can teach a monkey to fix a printer. You can't teach them to not throw shit at the users.
Basically, the real irreplaceable people are those who are technically savvy enough to actually do their job, but are damn good at playing the game.
TheCanadianShield@reddit
I agree with most of this, but I would modify comments around "the game" as 'putting in the work to build necessary beneficial relationships'. To this day, I remember the advice a former manager gave to me: "thinking of it as a game implies you have a choice whether or not to play. The reality is that you’re already playing and if you're not actively building relationships, you're losing."
RoosterBrewster@reddit
I suppose they are multipliers for each other. Technical skills will be a positive multiplier for people skills and vice versa.
ntrlsur@reddit
I think it depends on the size of the company. I got a guy with very questionable people skills been at the company over 20 years. Knows the job gets it done not looking for advancement. I have no problem covering for him and dinging him on his yearly review about his people skills. He has no problem not giving a shit about it and continuing to do what I and the company needs him to do. Its a very good relationship in my eyes.
Valdaraak@reddit
Being visible and building relationships is a huge part of keeping your career stable.
I was working retail during the big 2008 collapse. I was one of the only people in my department that was kept at 40 hours during that. The other full-time people were dropped to 32 (bare minimum for full-time). When I went to college in 2010, they worked with me to both keep me 40 hours and work around my school schedule.
I credit that to a combination of being a high performer as well as building those relationships with the managers over my years there. Those relationships also made me privy to a bunch of behind the scenes info someone in my position probably shouldn't have had.
valar12@reddit
Everyone is replaceable. They’ll post a new job before the funeral.
waxwayne@reddit
Scared? No. It’s just annoying to have retrain people. You have to remember when we as managers go to our leadership and HR to get raises for you guys they look at retention stats. If your top performers never leave they will use that as evidence good raises aren’t necessary.
We had an analyst leave for a senior manager position at a competitor and boy did that help us get money for our program.
Personally I’m supportive when people leave because it helps me expand my network outside of my company.
jM2me@reddit (OP)
That is an interesting perspective, thank you for sharing, and it does relate to something my manager noted recently.
I have a feeling that he knows things are not going well and I am unhappy, maybe exploring opportunities, so in a quick chat he noted that if pay is not good or if I am looking for other opportunities then he wants to bring it up to CEO because "we might be losing our high performer". In another chat later he noted that I could probably get a position bump with pay increase mid-year (with some conditions).
I can't deny that having higher pay would be bad for me, but for me about six months ago my 1st priority for job requirement is team. Not having a full team and having to fill in or train/share knowledge with 3 different new hires for same position within 2 years is tiresome. This is a shared feeling with another coworker that is high performer.
waxwayne@reddit
As a manager we can rate performers but when it comes to pay we have little direct control. You basically have to spend reputation capital to get those things. And if they give you the promotion and you screw up it’s on your manager for having bad judgement.
oldbagoflettuce@reddit
Kind of interested in what is classified as a good raise?
I recently got a job offer for 22% more. I took the offer to my employer and they matched it. I was luke warm about the position but was willing to take it for that kind of jump. They basically told me without me it'd be a bad time so glad you decided to stay.
waxwayne@reddit
Nothing that high. But remember you put your employer in a lurch. If they can wait 6 months and get someone for cheaper they will.
oldbagoflettuce@reddit
They might, but I feel they were genuine for the most part. The recommited our discussion from my review and I knew I was being underpaid by just under that much compared to my counterparts, but I was "greener" when taking the position. Not the largest org so I have a lot of knowledge at this point that is internal and takes time to build
Double_Confection340@reddit
Maybe, maybe not.
I just had my review, and I’m honestly getting tired of the standard 3% raise. I asked for a compensation alignment and requested a $20k increase—I’ve been here almost 7 years. I’m currently the sole admin supporting roughly 600 users. We used to have a separate network admin, but he was let go shortly after COVID, and I’ve been handling both roles ever since.
My manager agrees that I should be earning more and recognizes my value, but he doesn’t have much influence. The people who do make those decisions don’t really see what I do since most of my work happens behind the scenes—deployments, upgrades, maintenance—on top of the usual break/fix work.
He forwarded my compensation request (including my concerns) to HR on Monday and CC’d me, but I haven’t heard anything since.
Ownership is extremely cost-conscious and tends to view IT as an expense rather than a value driver. There’s a general attitude of “what does IT even do all day?” because everything is stable—which, ironically, is the result of the work being done. The only real outages we’ve had are due to power or ISP issues.
Based on how things typically go here, I wouldn’t be surprised if they just ignore the request and hope it fades away.
On top of that, the job market isn’t great right now. I’m working on updating my skills and resume, but it’s tough showing up every day to a place I’ve grown to dislike.
Any advice would be appreciated.
macebooks@reddit
it makes sense to worry. The cost/amount of time it takes to find a good one and get up to speed is expensive and time consuming.
ninjaluvr@reddit
Everyone is replaceable. We're not scared.
zilch839@reddit
I manage a team of about 16. Mostly programmers but desktop, business analysts, and sys admins as well.
I absolutely value my top performers. I make sure my peers are aware of who my top performers are. I work towards increasing their compensation and when I have discretionary bonus money available, most goes to them.
Here's the problem: everyone seems to think they are a top performers.
andrewsmd87@reddit
As a manager when I tell someone that I 100% mean it, but that just really varies by person. What I can tell you is regardless of how much I mean it, there is nothing from stopping the higher ups coming in and telling me I have to lay any person off. I mean I would make hella uproar of asked to do so but at the end of the day they can still tell me what to do.
Now, being one makes it a lot less likely you'd get caught up in a RIF, but a final decision may but actually be up to your direct report, even if they were kicking and screaming to keep you (don't ask me how I know)
rybl@reddit
I'm a little confused by your post. Did you actually apply for those open positions and get passed up? Have you told your manager that you are interested in advancement or talked about what that path looks like? If you applied for promotions and didn't get them, have you asked what you would need to improve to get it next time?
As others have said, being a good performer is huge, but management roles need more than that. I have had employees who are fantastic sys admins, but who would not succeed in management roles. They are different skillsets.
CeC-P@reddit
At competent, experienced companies that are large and have a big budget, yes.
At mid-size to small, also yes BUT they don't hire them in the first place. Rule #1 is don't hire the best because you can't pay them enough to stay and they will eventually go work elsewhere once they get more experience and more certifications. So HR is instructed to purposely get sub-par applicants that can technically do the job.
DehydratedButTired@reddit
Anyone can be replaced or fired at any time. Anything else is a package they are selling you. Either they put their money where their mouth is or they lose people. If there’s no opportunity to grow then they are banking on your extra work for no benefit to you while lying to you.
poizone68@reddit
You guys get pay increases?
bot403@reddit
You guys get to manage high performers?
Ssakaa@reddit
It's twofold. One, it's highly dependent on whether they're the type to bullshit someone to squeeze out more work withtout actually giving anything meaningful in return. Two, it's highly dependent on whether they have both the political captal to win that fight and the desire to spend it on you instead of protecting themselves.
Every boss that I truly believed wanted to keep me around also readily promoted me doing things that made me more marketable everywhere else too. My last boss knew I was interviewing for the job I have now before my first interview here, and was genuinely happy for me. If he'd had the political captial to win the fight it would've taken to keep me, I would probably still be there.
usernamedottxt@reddit
Swings with the market. My last place gave me a retention bonus when the market was hot and two years later told everyone they were downsizing via attrition and backfills would have to individually approved at the VP level. I left during this later period and just got a pat on the back and told I was welcome back any time.
sgt_Berbatov@reddit
I'm cynical. I believe it to be true that they're afraid of losing high performers.
But that's not because you're good. You are. But a rising tide raises all ships so the fact you are a high performer you bring the rest of the team up with you, making the manager look good. As it's results they're scored on. When they lose a high performer then the general department performance goes down. And it makes the manager look bad.
As well as that, it's harder to manage a poor worker compared to a high performing one. So you're making their job easier.
I will say though that when it comes to loyalty, loyalty is very cheap for the company. It's incredibly expensive for the worker. Remember that.
Hotshot55@reddit
Yes, my manager told me directly that he thought I was underpaid. To make up for that, he gave me around $8k in stocks and a promotion which bumped my base salary by about $15k and added an extra 5% to my annual bonus target rate.
jM2me@reddit (OP)
Pay and bonuses aside, would you say you are happy with your job/role? If money/pay was not a factor, what would make you want to change job in your current position?
I understand that some high performers are underpaid and higher pay is their driver to move up or out to higher paying roles. But if you are already in a well paying role, what is your next driver?
Hotshot55@reddit
It's a little bit of a complex answer. On one hand, my role gives me just about endless opportunities to go deeper and deeper into the technical areas of things, which is something that I do enjoy quite a bit.
On the other hand though, I am constantly advocating for getting my team into a better situation and team members are shortcutting the work I put into play which keeps us in a poor position. This is a major frustration that has given me a bit more of a push to maybe look elsewhere. At the moment, I am unable to move around within the company due to a requirement to stay in a role for a full year.
If money were a complete non-factor, I would honestly probably still be chilling at the helpdesk or desktop support. I genuinely enjoyed my time fixing user issues and helping them get on to the things they need. In terms of current position though, the low effort from my team is still one of the drivers that would make me look elsewhere.
Boredom is generally my biggest driver for looking for something new. I've never stuck around in a single position for more than 3 years because I tend to run out of things to learn.
jM2me@reddit (OP)
Interesting as 80% of what you wrote coincides with me, in terms of being concerns with quality of team. It is almost as if once we reach our comfort pay level, the quality of work being done and the team are then driving factors whether we stay or look elsewhere.
I am happy with my pay and how it has been progressing, thus it is not a reason to look for another role for me. 3 years ago that would be the primary reason. Today the primary reason is unhappiness and uncertainty with the team.
hurkwurk@reddit
I work in mid sized government, before that i worked in private industry that was largely supply chain. I have also worked with owners of large retail restaurant chains in the area.
in government, managers typically do worry about losing "good" staff, because the rules of government and union work typically mean there is almost nothing they can do about it. pay/retention are almost always out of their control. im sorta in that spot right now where the best i can do for two good workers is try and budget for promotional spots for them on my team in the future. i cant even promote them in place very easily (we call that reclassification) as that means having to justify why they are "working out of classification" right now. and explaining how the job has changed to justify a different title that pays more. so on the government side... unless you are upper management that can create new roles, its really hard to retain specific people. instead what you do is make sure everyone is aware that you will help them promote to any place they can. government has zero loyalty. we ultimately cannot protect anyone, so promoting out is the best thing to do when you are worth your skills, so do it. you owe us nothing, we owe you nothing. its purely transactional.
in supply chain work, there was a lot more slack and give and take. I worked for a family owned, mid-sized company that had grown with the military industrial complex, then after some cuts, diversified into many other high precision engineering fields.. IE if you needed extremely precise, small metal worked parts, like precision screws/nuts/parts that had to be exactly correct, like microwave connectors, or things accurate to millionths or billions of an inch, etc, thats what they did. most of it was electrical connectors, but went into many industries, including food. in that job, yea, pay was what you were worth and what you argued for. you might be under market or over it, if you had the right attitude and wore the right hats. This was a job where you had machines that cost $10,000 an hour each to operate, so if you were the guy that pitched in and stayed late to get things working, even when it wasnt "your job" to do so, that kind of thing mattered, and if you werent being recognized for it, its the things you brought up on your own during your reviews because only a bitch doesnt speak up for themselves. yea rude, dont care. fight for you. no one else has to.
in retail restaurants, its far more constrained. there simply isnt enough profit being made for people to be rewarded properly for their contributions. you can have some truly stellar workers, but you still cant bankrupt a location to pay them what they are worth. you can try to reward them in other ways, more flexible scheduling, more trust, better choices on moving to busier stores where they can make more tips/live closer to home/move to a new location they want to live, etc. key people are hugely important as they are reliable. you dont give the keys to the store to the druggy that calls out 3 times a week. you have that person being watched so that they can get the help they need instead. staff rotates so fast in retail that any threats of leaving are mostly pointless. it hurts to lose great people, but churn is just part of the business. its better in this industry to learn about the business itself. cant tell you the number of times ive seen great people ruin themselves by making unrealistic demands.... no one is going to pay store staff more than their regional managers to retain them. at the end of the day, store staff are replicable, and yea, it sucks, but its just not as large a loss as you think in your head.
mind you, all this assumes well managed locations. if you have bad management, all bets are off. they may be totally dependant on you, or may not recognize your value at all. so you can end up being begged to stay at twice the price, or completely ignored and the whole place collapses after you leave.
pdp10@reddit
If key positions aren't filled, it's probably not the manager's fault but it is their problem. If high performers leave, then the situation is poised to go into a vicious spiral.
However, managers who feel that something isn't their fault, can also tend to feel like their reactionary measures and any untruths aren't their fault, either.
Smile, smile, smile, on your way out the door.
loupgarou21@reddit
As a consistently high performer, I definitely do believe when a manager tells me they're worried about losing me, but I've also run into so many times where management will make all kinds of promises in hopes of keeping me, and then never follow through with those promises. First and foremost, take care of yourself and make sure your needs are being met.
symbiont3000@reddit
Its happened to me before so I know it happens, but it will depend on your manager, their ethics and also company culture
BeatMastaD@reddit
You have to figure out what the incentives and constraints are for your boss and use that to judge things like this.
If your boss wants to move up and look good they may choose to lose a high performer if its between that or their performance metrics taking a hit. If leadership above your boss is primarily a budget driven group with top down requirements your boss will be really constrained by having to abide by budgetary requirements. That might mean losing a high earner, or it may mean no raises even if they like you and appreciate you and dont want to lose you.
Consider what company leadership actually values, their choices will often align to that and they arent usually maximizing for the absolute best outcomes, they are maximizing for the one that makes the stock go up, or the Financials look better, or revenue growth look larger, or higher win rates for proposals, etc.
HorseShedShingle@reddit
I’m a manager of about 10 people and terrified of losing my high performers and advocate for them getting additional pay/benefits/bonuses as much as I can reasonably do so while making a case for how much productivity they bring.
I would assume any decent manager would be the same.
Depending on the organization the managers opinions may or may not be taken into account so their hands may be tied. In those cases the managers should certainly not be giving any false promises to staff.
Gummyrabbit@reddit
My supervisor said she would have a nervous breakdown if I left.
discgman@reddit
"High Performer" lol. Bro nobody is exempt from being laid off or fired. They will make up any excuses to get what management wants and there is nothing you can do. Your job is a paycheck, they are not family, your goal is to retire comfortably and gtfo.
Master-IT-All@reddit
I think it's the other way, managers do not want to keep their high performers.
Managers don't give a shit about anything other than keeping those KPIs up and being able to generate reports that justify their salary. This has nothing to do with performance.
If your manager really likes you, then you're likely not the high performer you think you are.
ProfessionalEven296@reddit
A good manager should want their highest performers to be where they can make the most difference to the company. It’s the bad managers that want to keep other people down.
xzer@reddit
My experience EOY raise is going to be nothing if managers are afraid of losing their high performers.
Matazat@reddit
Just because it would hurt the company doesn't mean you can't be fired. Managers get emotional and make bad decisions all the time. The company could collapse after they fire you, but you'll be jobless either way and there's no consolation prize for "oops we shouldn't have fired you".
LustLiveXBL@reddit
Really depends how integral the work you do is to the business and the difficulty offloading or replacing those responsibilities.
Talk is talk, so if you think your skillset is undervalued and another company would pay more than go apply.
The best negotiation tactic is telling your manager you have an offer letter for greater pay somewhere else and how he wants to handle it.
Laearo@reddit
C suite where I am wanted to be given the offer letter before they took it into account - thankfully I did actually have one and it worked out in the end - have even been promoted since then, was about 3 years ago.
Valdaraak@reddit
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. I credit the generous raises I've gotten over the years without even having to ask for them as evidence.
Though I've also learned over the years that being the star player also creates a few layers of immunity for you. I've definitely gotten away with things at previous jobs that the lower performers got in trouble for.
UninvestedCuriosity@reddit
People have good intentions I think a lot of the time but talk is cheap. It's just as easy to not move on someone. I've been in places where I was promoted several times and then cut because of cost too much lol. Which like whatever but I've also been in places where it was borderline abusive and the carrot kept getting waved. It's hard to know. The higher you get, you realize most decisions are made on the emotion of the day and the opportunity more than anything else.
So high performing is just waiting for the stars to align but they may never align. This is why for most people, if opportunity outside exists it is often the better choice to jump but that's not every situation and only comes with hindsight.
Being somewhere because you enjoy it makes the high performance less of a task and more automatic so I usually assign a dollar amount to that in my head when comparing outside opportunities first if I'm at a place I like. Then it becomes more of a question where "what is the value of my comfort vs leaving". If promotion within happens, then great but building expectations for it is often more detrimental psychologically than helpful.
It's not a ladder. It's a vibe.
ImportantMud9749@reddit
Yes, but the best thing to me is seeing a high performer growing beyond a position and actively looking up. If there is a position somewhere else in the org that would be a good growth opportunity for them, I tell them about it and encourage them to apply. If they find somewhere else, I'm happy to give a good recommendation. Sometimes the high performer could easily move up in the org or outside, but is happy with the work/life balance and doesn't want to make a major change. I'll try to offer those other opportunities and/or extra responsibilities for extra compensation. Often times that extra responsibility is more on paper/in case of emergency than a daily task. Extension of trust, sharing a higher level responsibility, etc. shows that their efforts are seen and makes the fight with HR to get them a raise easier. Sometimes the high performer is concerned they've reached the limit of their abilities and would struggle in a higher role. Those are fun in way, nearly every time, those workers aren't even close to their potential. It's great seeing them realize that the big scary position they've been side eyeing is actually something they can do easily.
It sounds like you're understaffed more than anything. Push hard to get staffed. Offer to help interviewing, whatever. Even your manager sounds burnt out. "The drive to do awesome work is gone. Attention to details don't really happen anymore either." They know the situation sucks, so they attempt to protect you by easing the pressure. I'm guessing they're getting less and less support above them and are feeling very similar to yourself.
This is a downward spiral. Does your manager have a technical background or a management background? I prefer technical backgrounds for IT Managers, but this situation is their kryptonite. The issue isn't technical, nor does it involve technical staff. The issue is posting positions and hiring. If they come from a technical background, these HR roadblocks can be a deathblow without support from above.
Offer them support from below if you are comfortable. Propose a hiring committee if they're having trouble going through applicants. Maybe they just need someone to vent to about the hiring process. Have you ever gone to your manager to talk through a technical issue, then while talking it through, you figure out the solution? They need someone to talk to like that too.
retiredaccount@reddit
Always remember, “If you’re not replaceable, then you’re not promotable.”
TeaBagTroopers@reddit
I can guaranter you that if we lose myself and 5 others at our service desk, it's game over.
No one will know what to do from here.
anonymousITCoward@reddit
I was once told by the company owner that no one is indispensable, and that anyone can be replaced.
I have been a top performer at this company for ages... and was the lowest paid tech for all of that time... after all that time, I still get paid less that whats considered "low income" for my state... So not only are you replaceable, in most places you ain't worth shit to the business.
Note: I originally wrote this as a reply to u/Harry_Bolsagna, because of his comment about keeping yourself relevant and marketable... I wholeheartedly agree with this... pre covid this was me... post covid not so much... the job offers have dried up and are few and far between now.
AmiDeplorabilis@reddit
People don't leave bad jobs, they leave bad management/managers.
Some will flatter team members that they're doing fine, then at appraisals, will tell them they didn’t qualify for a promotion or raise and keep stringing them along.
Some will actively prevent team members from growing and advancing, through a variety of sad tactics, even subterfuge, designed to prevent people from gaining skills which might enable them to grow and move on.
Some few will actively help team members to grow and gain experience, knowing full well that some may leave, but some will stay.
But it requires team members activrly accepting challenges and trying to learn and grow.
In sports, there are coaches who, wherever they land, have the same cadre of assistants following them and only know how to play the game one way, and they remake the entire team in their image. The REAL coaches, wherever they land, evaluate the talent on hand and their style of play, and they work at being successful with that talent and style; they're flexible and adaptable, and it shows that their command of the game is far superior to the coach who knows and teaches one style.
circalight@reddit
They might not want to lose you, but that's not the same as making sure you're getting paid what you should. The last thing on your boss' mind is raising your salary.
evantom34@reddit
This is totally subjective. I’ve earned good-great marks at my past companies, but since it was lower level work, I don’t think it was ever viewed the same as a high performing engineer would be.
My managers were always shocked and sad to see me go, there was usually some “what would it take to get you to stay” talks, but I don’t tend to value a counter offer as highly as my new offer.
On the converse side, we had an engineer who manages the work order management system. He had planned to leave in search of remote work before Covid, the red carpet was rolled out for him to keep him. He’s the only permanent remote employee in the organization.
So for truly “irreplaceable” talent, I think company’s will bend over backwards to keep them. If you’re just a high performer that can be replaced, maybe not?
knightofargh@reddit
My manager sure? Do I still get paid the same as Karen over there who does nothing because it’s a big corporation and we have the same salary grading? Yes. And that’s why I do exactly enough to be the top performer and nothing more.
They can pay the CEO $37M to do whatever they do. They can cough up a little more incentive for knowledge workers to excel.
Materially_Average@reddit
Always be on the lookout for a new job.
If you get a solid offer, but are torn on leaving, use that as leverage to get a raise, employment contract, and/or retention bonus.
BrainWaveCC@reddit
Your manager is probably telling you the truth.
Just remember that they are not independently in control of filling open positions. I've had a number of occasions where senior management let me post an open position, but never would approve the final sign-off when a good candidate was interviewed.
And yes, sometimes a high performer gets pigeonholed, because no one in management wants to lose the performance at the location where it is happening.
PowerfulDiet7155@reddit
Brother I am. If I lose a top performer shit goes downhill fast. I get blamed for things going to shit and then replacing them takes forever with my company.
bristow84@reddit
It depends on the manager. My manager who I worked with for years before he was let go, yes I absolutely believe he was worried about any high performers leaving.
My current manager? No I don’t think he gives two shits if that happens or not and at this point neither does my employer.
sixblazingshotguns@reddit
"Performers" are for circuses.