It's time to end the world's delusions over the Iran energy crisis
Posted by Naurgul@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 66 comments
The U.S. and Israeli war against Iran has been characterised by a series of miscalculations by most of the involved and peripheral parties, but the real danger is the delusion over the scale of the resulting energy crisis.
The reality is that even with a ceasefire and the resumption of vessel flows through the Strait of Hormuz in the next few weeks, an energy crisis for the world economy is locked in.
- The first delusion is thinking that the re-opening of the Strait of Hormuz will solve the current problems with the supply of crude oil, refined products and liquefied natural gas.
- The second delusion is thinking that U.S. President Donald Trump and his administration are acting rationally, taking considered decisions and are fully attuned to the economic damage being inflicted on erstwhile allies in the Gulf, Europe and Asia.
- The third delusion is thinking that this is a crisis of crude oil prices, where it is actually an emergency over the supply of refined products, especially to fuel-importing nations.
- The fourth delusion is thinking that short-term policies of self-interest will save your country from the worst of the fallout.
Trump has effectively three options left.
- Walk away from the mess he has created while trying to spin the conflict as a win.
- Escalate dramatically and run the risk of a long conflict with massive damage to the Gulf's energy infrastructure and the resulting severe global energy crisis and recession.
- Accept a ceasefire and a negotiated settlement that will likely be more favourable to Iran than what existed prior to the start of the conflict on February 28.
The third is probably the one that will be least harmful to the world economy, but it seems the least likely given the statements and actions of the parties involved.
The main impacts of the crisis are likely to be felt in May as refiners, especially in Asia, struggle to source crude.
The second-round effects such as higher inflation, lower global trade, job losses and social unrest are likely to emerge in the second half of the year.
reflexive-polytope@reddit
Fucking bastards. The real danger is that Iranian civilians will continue dying and being left homeless.
Ah, yes, very favorable situation in which many people will have to rebuild their lives from scratch.
RoostasTowel@reddit
It was going fine for them this January right?
Maybe_this_time_fr@reddit
Weak whataboutism
Highandfast@reddit
No it's connected. They are dying much, much more when the islamic regime is in place. Destroying civilian housing is not a strategic goal of this bombing campaign. So far, the math for saving civilians say continue.
Maybe_this_time_fr@reddit
Justifying murdering brown people. Peak zionist activity.
Highandfast@reddit
Peak islamic regime activity you mean, based on history. Who created the mess in Iraq, do you think? Who executes innocent "brown" people by the hundreds?
And just so you know, in Iran they can be blonde in the north.
reflexive-polytope@reddit
Of course not. I don't condone the repression of the Mullah's regime.
Maybe_this_time_fr@reddit
Brother, I hate what's happening to the Iranian people but I care more about the people around me.
Jurodan@reddit
I'm never going to claim that this war is justified. It's immoral and wrong. But Iran has a population of under one hundred million. Billions will be affected by what's coming. Including a famine that affects hundreds of millions on top of those suffering from US aid cuts.
imunfair@reddit
Trump can walk away at any time. He won't, but he could. Pretending Iran should be the one to end this for the good of the world is silly.
Naurgul@reddit (OP)
An economic crisis also causes a lot of deaths and homelessness.
He means strategically/geopolitically for the international power of the state. Not the welfare of the people.
mileslefttogo@reddit
I agree with your assessment. The full effects of the damage done so far hasn't yet been realized, and the full level of fallout will depend on whatever their next idiotic decision is.
It is very infuriating to watch this administration when all they had to do was absolutely nothing. Inflation was under control, unemployment was down, the economy was recovering. He could have just golfed his entire presidency and taken credit for the results from everything the last administration set in place.
Instead, he pissed all over everything to the point where our closest allies don't trust us, and our opponents laugh at how weak we look whenever he opens his mouth.
Coolenough-to@reddit
No, this article is incoherant. There is no explanation for why the author believes that supply will still be down 12 million bpd even after the strait is reopened. If believing supply will go back to normal is a dillusion, the author needs to state why. Otherwise, this is just a hit piece.
RisingDeadMan0@reddit
"where our closest allies don't trust us"
awh, but what about Israel and his donors, someone was ahppy/pushed for this to happen, and he's taken the fall for it.
Halbaras@reddit
Depressingly, the world's most powerful country has decided to do massive damage to the shared global economy largely thanks to Netanyahu, MBS, and possibly Linsday fucking Graham.
It may benefit the US military industrial complex, but they might also lose money in the long term thanks to the collapse of US credibility and the fact they're openly discussing stealing weapons Europe already paid for to send to their middle eastern folly.
The US oil industry isn't even that happy about it because they actually understand how bad things are likely to get with global supply chains (regardless of the ongoing speculation over oil futures that's disconnected with the price of physical oil). The oil companies are worried that prices will go so high it leads to permanent demand destruction - first through poverty, and then through an accelerated global energy transition.
OsgrobioPrubeta@reddit
MBS?
Halbaras@reddit
Muhammed Bin Salman, the de facto leader of Saudi Arabia. He was apparently pushing Trump to start the war (using the same 'window to strike' arguments the Israelis did), and since the war started has been demanding the US continue strikes and cripple Iran militarily.
RisingDeadMan0@reddit
not heard that, highly doubt it, oil is very flammable, and unlike Israel tey dont have the whole region shooting rockets for you before they get to you, and even then the UK defense pact of 2020 is probably why we also help shoot these rockets down...
what a joke, they start a war, it costs us money. fuck them, and the chief rabbi who called the genocidal losers "our soliders", and his son who went to join them a few months ago.
ProfessionalConfuser@reddit
Bonesawdi Prince
OsgrobioPrubeta@reddit
Ty, thought so but wanted to be sure.
Many parties are benefiting from this, but in mainstem media only Trump is mentioned.
RisingDeadMan0@reddit
Not sure about Graham or MBS?? One is a clown, the other not fans of Iran but i think has better things to do with his time....
Cant remember who, but they noted when Trump finally agreed to hit Iran he was in Florida not the WH whwere he has his usual team around him. And when so many are so deep in Israeli pockets that Trump could be persuaded to hit Iran, they surrender and he moves on to whatever else he fancies... incorrectly...
John Ratcliffe - CIA Director
Marco Rubio - Secretary of State
Susie Wiles - chief of staff
and others...
Ax_deimos@reddit
The Jack@ss could have said NO!!!
I get Bibi wanting to kick Iran in the teeth for years of proxy attacks and infesting the countries around Israel with Jihadi murder hoboes, and arming these creeps with all the munitions
Iran could flood to them... but as a world leader with access to competent advisors Trump and advisors should have just told Bibi "NO!!!", and should have just kept taking down the shadow fleet and keeping the sanctions in place.
jayesper@reddit
But all the capable staff were replaced...
JKallStar@reddit
You seem severely misinformed, and I urge you to reassess your statement. You are acting on emotion and doing thr thing you and your anglo bros do best: support terrorism (israel). Please change your ways
Maybe_this_time_fr@reddit
LMAO, as if Israel is ever the victim. What a clown
RisingDeadMan0@reddit
Lol. Israel occupies, and bombs Lebanon. Israel is the victime as always....
rbhmmx@reddit
Exactly same thing that happened last time
BendicantMias@reddit
Fun Fact: Apparently in China they call him 'Trump the Nation Builder'. They're not referring to his own nation lol - https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/how-trump-became-chinas-accidental-nation-builder-2856427-2026-01-22
polocinkyketaminky@reddit
everything for clout and grift
MelodiusRA@reddit
This is delusional Obama-era thinking, and he’s been on record as saying that his international complacency was his greatest failure.
The autocracies of the world have been gearing up for military conflict and striking when they feel the West was weakest. Iran placed proxy armies all over the Middle East with the long-term goal of exporting their religion. It’s exactly what happened in Lebanon and what they would have done in Yemen and Palestine.
Trump is a dumbfuck and absolutely wanted to golf while abusing the office to steal billions. But he was such a dumbfuck that the Epstein scandal forced him into a position of political weakness and he was forced to work with a faction of hawkish Americans who would otherwise withdraw their support unless he went forward with interventionist American policy.
Everyone laughs at Trump, but that Venezuela operation and the aftermath struck fear into America’s geopolitical adversaries. (Again, I don’t give credit to Trump for that. He basically had to be convinved to do it just to keep a small vestige of political power. He’s essentially a weakling).
zer1223@reddit
Been considering opening some short positions for the first time in my life. Can you short an index fund? Cause I don't see how VOO, VTI and VXUS can stay this high over the next six months. The recent dip we saw was actually a much more reasonable valuation. The current price is not
Gimme_The_Loot@reddit
Pretty sure I'd read somewhere that if Trump had just taken the money he'd gotten from his family, put in the s&p500 and relaxed he'd have made more than he did from all his business ventures (the presidential grifting omitted).
Affectionate_Cup9112@reddit
We do know there will be more idiotic decisions, but saying he could have done nothing ignores the interests of everyone who helped get him elected.
Just for starters, the Republican establishment would have made a bigger deal off the whole convicted felon thing if they didn’t see their chance for Project 2025. You can get real lost real fast applying this “great man” theory of history to Trump.
UbajaraMalok@reddit
This war might be the result of israel greed and trump's stupidity but there is a clear winner here (and this was probably planned by the people behind the curtains): USA oil companies. USA sabotaged nordstream 2, cutting Europe's supply from Russia, then USA kidnapped maduro and took over Venezuela's oil, the biggest reserve in the world, now they got the straight of Hormuz blocked, so the biggest suppliers of fossil fuels are screwed. Now what is the only country free to supply the whole world without hindrance? The USA. They screwed their own "allies" in Europe for this.
ThePromise110@reddit
This crisis will be the end of global capitalism, you mark my words. Governments will be forced to ration, massively increase spending, and send international debt spiraling into absolute chaos if they want a hope of not being overthrown.
People will die. Production will collapse across the board. And the kicker is there's no one to bail out but the people. Governments won't be able to quantitatively ease a few big corpos and save the day. There will be food riots in first world countries. Governments will fall. The system will collapse in on itself.
Hold on to your butts, but also remember that we are being a handed a chance to remake the world in ways that only happen every 500+ years.
Highandfast@reddit
Capitalism won't die because that how people earn a living, so they will adapt because the alternative is to die (from starvation or in the concentration camps involved in any utopian dictatorship).
zer1223@reddit
100 dollar or 120 per barrel is not going to cause global collapse wtf are you talking about?
ThePromise110@reddit
It's not about the oil so much as the famine from the lack of fertilizer and the collapse of tech production due to the lack of helium. But sure, go off.
Old_Wallaby_7461@reddit
What passes for hope among communists
keepthepace@reddit
Meanwhile, EU is trying to resist the massive influx of cheap EV that China wants to sell it.
Electrification of vehicles is the long term (and middle term) solution. Sucks it is China controlled, but seriously, we were warned since the 90s to prepare for it.
Nuclear power is there, nuclear fuel is abundant, and renewable power can work much better if we accept intermittence that rationing of oil would make much more acceptable.
The transition is not happening in a quiet, planned way? Make it happen in a hastily, messy way.
BendicantMias@reddit
Nuclear power has a terribly long ROI. Investors aren't gonna put money in that when they can instead speculate on putting everyone out of a job with AI.
And govts. don't want to spend on it either. It's expensive and they're already in debt. Even France isn't building them like it used to.
The most convincing argument against nuclear power is that its profitability turnaround is atrocious. And ultimately that's what matters most. 😤
keepthepace@reddit
What is the roi on not depending on gas?
BendicantMias@reddit
Nothing. That's a societal benefit, not money in investors pockets.
RoostasTowel@reddit
The UK is trying to build just one new nuclear power plant.
It was going to cost £20 billion.
But when it's done it will likely be closer to £40 billion.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Think how many wind turbines, solar panels and batteries £40 billion would buy you. But it won’t buy you a lot of long lunches from nuclear lobbyists…
RoostasTowel@reddit
The UK has spent about that many billions building their over 2000 offshore wind turbines at about 10-20 million each tower.
If you tried to sell the people of the UK solar they would rightly laugh in your face.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
That is 10-20 million USD, which translates to ~£90/MWh. Hinkley Point C will cost a little less than double that. So your figures are off by at least 66%.
It will surprise you to know that 6% of UK power generation is solar, average over a year, while on sunny days it’s 30% over that day.
Nuclear fission isn’t going to work. The more money we sink into the projects that will inevitably wind up costing twice as much and take twice as long the more time and money we waste when we could be decarbonising our economies.
BendicantMias@reddit
Tbf this is more of a Europe problem, not a nuclear problem. China and India are building nuclear too. They manage to do it cheaper and quicker, without running overbudget or delayed as much as Europe does.
RoostasTowel@reddit
But it has worked for many decades?
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
After decades nuclear fission is only 10% of world electricity generation. It’s more expensive and it has a lot of downsides.
I note you didn’t address any of my other points. That’s because you can’t dispute them.
the-bladed-one@reddit
Yeah for solar you need to have the sun.
The uk, a country FAMOUS for its long, sunny days and lack of clouds.
infinitemonkeytyping@reddit
He'll take option 2, because he needs to drive up prices further to make his previous distraction from the Epstein Files, his invasion of Venezuela, viable.
usefulidiotsavant@reddit
20% of the global supply of removed from the market means that someone needs to consume less, perhaps much less, so that the rest can continue consuming. This includes everything: refined products, fertilizers, helium etc.
The prices will rise until demand matches supply again. People in rich nations will bitch and moan they pay more at the pump and their food is getting more expensive. People in poor nations will eat less and some will die of starvation.
It's not an "energy crisis", it's the same good old international order at work, the rich bitch and moan and the poor die.
BendicantMias@reddit
Try over 30%, if Iran follows through with its threats to close the Bab Al-Mandeb Strait in response to Trumps' blockade. That also closes the Suez Canal and everything it ships..
Rindan@reddit
Yeah, that's a pretty solid take, especially on American options. I struggle to imagine a negotiated settlement with Trump and suspect the US will just leave, leaving Iran both in control of the Strait and with no formal peace. I expect Israel will keep bombing them trying to disrupt they nuclear program, which they will obviously pursue.
Trollimperator@reddit
The question is also, what options other countries have. If would write a thriller about this, I would Malaysia as5a5sinate Trump and frame China for it.
Or Russia pressuring a desperate China into joining the Ukraine war.
Maybe a tourist-kidnap crisis from poor people in Asia, which suffer the most of this energy blockade.
Ofc i am just talking out of my ass here, but i can come up with 50 really bad scenarios in an hour for this mess.
What if this blockade works and Trump now blockades every compeding trade nation? Thats not far off, what he did with Tariffs, Canada and Greenland anyhow.
ObjectiveObserver420@reddit
If you remember that in US foreign policy China is the main character some of Trump’s decisions are at least slightly coherent. China imports over 50% of it’s oil from the Middle East and 20% from Russia. If disrupting that flow of oil to China is the goal rather than winning a war then blockades in the Strait and drone strikes on Russian oil infrastructure make more sense.
BendicantMias@reddit
Fun Fact: Apparently in China they call him 'Trump the Nation Builder'. They're not referring to his own nation lol - https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/how-trump-became-chinas-accidental-nation-builder-2856427-2026-01-22
China isn't gonna fall from this. They're better positioned than most non-American nations to ride it out, and reap the benefits - https://www.reuters.com/graphics/IRAN-CRISIS/CHINA-OIL/egpbeormkvq/
They can also make things much worse if they want. For America. Both with its war in Iran, and elsewhere.
random_handle_123@reddit
His oligarch handlers have this as their stated goal. They are a bunch of accelerationists that want to burn it all down.
You don't buy all the land and build all the bunkers they did without ever intending to use them.
BendicantMias@reddit
Ah Trump! 😅 You're a better joker than Zelensky probably ever was (Zelensky used to be a comedian). Pity you're not even a tenth as good of a leader...
Ditnoka@reddit
There's also a massive looming crisis concerning fertilizer due to the halt in trade. The UN estimates a minimum 15-20% hit to global crop production.
cudanny@reddit
This is my worry, to the point I plan on stocking up tinned goods and long lasting foods over the next few months
zer1223@reddit
The wealthier nations will continue to have access to food, just at moderately higher prices
However famine seems possible for other nations
bimbosoupqueen@reddit
Even if Trump accepts a ceasefire with Iran, Israel has made it pretty clear that they don’t want a ceasefire in Lebanon. Israel might agree to a ceasefire agreement during this round of talks with Lebanon, but in all likelihood they will break it and claim it’s because of Hezbollah. And then, even if Israel managed to completely decimate Hezbollah, I doubt they will willingly leave Lebanon south of the Litani. They have flattened towns and expelled the residents. Settler outposts will be the next phase.
Everyone_dreams@reddit
I’m not sure anyone besides MAGA Americans are under the delusion that Trump is acting rationally.
Or that he is action beyond a manner that fits his and his inner circles interest.
This is a continued effort by Trump to destabilize and isolate America from the world, and when you frame his action in that context it makes perfect sense. The group Trump wants does not want a strong America, they want to establish them selves as Oligarchs in a weakened state, much like Russia is.
Look at Project 2025, look at how Trump is acting. His plans are rational in those contexts, but not in the contexts that we try to think of an American president working to secure American interests and world stability. That is not, and never was,Trumps goal in this term. He never planned for there to be another presidential election, he said it once. Or at least a real one.
Believe the man when he tells you these things.
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