Two school shootings in Turkey in two days. What is happening? What are we going to do?

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vict789@reddit

"Blaming it on video games" I remember people accusing Marilyn Manson and "evil" rock music for one of the first school shootings in USA Michael Moore had produced a really good documentary back then called "Bowling for Columbine". It breaks my heart to say that it is still relevant to this day.

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Proper_Club_4802@reddit

There is a significant chance that the government orchestrated these incidents to further push video game bans

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vict789@reddit

Blaming video games instead of the police officer who didn't keep his gun safe and out of reach from his kid is easy. But what do you mean "orchestrated these incidents"? You mean blaming the games or the actual shootings? Here in Greece a lot of parents are not educated about parental controls and minors do play PG18 games and have access to apps and content that they shouldn't. Is it the case there as well? Because that would explain the attitude "we cannot teach the parents parental control so let's ban games for everyone".

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cnon159@reddit

Media blackout is the right call here. Potential shooters can be affected and try to do the same. Second shooter probably saw the first one and acted because of that.

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Mnd3333@reddit (OP)

That too but the government likes to suppress media here. Like on anything.

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TostBrot44@reddit

„Look, there were two school shootings in the span of two days, how can I make this about the government 🤔“

-Every Turk ever

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NigthSHadoew@reddit

Goverment blocking the media is about the goverment. It is something the goverment did. They just observed media blackout is not out of the norm for the goverment.

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TostBrot44@reddit

"They just observed media blackout is not out of the norm for the goverment."

Who cares about your government criticque when children died in a school shooting?

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NigthSHadoew@reddit

You think just because someone points out that goverment blackouts are normal that they don't care about childeren dying? Do you have that mindset for everything? Do you go "Who cares about X when Y happened?"

Not to mention goverment blocking the news about the school shooting is about the shooting. It's not like they brought up a random thing.

But okay, lets say we shouldn’t criticize the goverement right now because childeren died in a school shooting, what should we do? What are you doing right now? What possible thing we can do to help the people that suffered by dedicating 100% of our attention there?

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TostBrot44@reddit

You missed the whole point. You can criticise them even when people died, but do it when it’s appropriate and warranted. These people would blame the government when a piece of stone would land on their heads. I know Turks and I know how easily they like to blame entities that are out of their reach

Also I‘m not reading all of what you wrote

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NigthSHadoew@reddit

Also I‘m not reading all of what you wrote

It's three very short paragraphs, how is that too long for you?!

Also if you haven't read what I wrote you can not possibly know what I said so you can’t say "You missed the whole point."

You can criticise them even when people died, but do it when it’s appropriate and warranted.

They commented on something goverment did in relation to the shootings on a reddit post about the shootings. How is that not appropiate? It's not like they went to the families and started talking about the media blackout.

Especially since this post is more informative about the shooting than the normal news

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TostBrot44@reddit

Nah it's not that it's too long, I just feel tired after the 39 exchanges I had yesterday with this other guy. If you want to see my stance on the topic you can go read it all, I'm not here to discuss the same shit again with another user

"But okay, lets say we shouldn’t criticize the goverement right now because childeren died in a school shooting, what should we do? "

I skimmed through it, this sentence showed me how you missd the point

"They commented on something goverment did in relation to the shootings on a reddit post about the shootings. How is that not appropiate?"

""""""LIKE ANYTHING""""""

The school shooting was their gateway opportunity to criticise the government on a whole new scale that goes beyond the school shooting. Which, if you ask me, is a very disgusting and opportunistic way of approaching this whole tragedy

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NigthSHadoew@reddit

Again, let me repeat because clearly you are too tired to read but not too tired to reply; I think it is waranted because this post is more informative about the shooting than normal news because of the goverment media blackout. They didn’t critisize the tax policy but something the goverment regulary does that effect the publics knowledge of such tragedies. If I wasn't online I, and I am willing to bet you, wouldn't know abything about the shooting beyond "school shooting happened"

It is not oppurtunistic if the goverments action directly effects our knowledge of the tragedy.

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TostBrot44@reddit

Please just get off my dick. I don't care what you have to add to this, I sorted some time out of my afternoon to explain you the same shit I did yesterday, go read the whole novel if you care so much about my opinion.

It's clear that we have a different opinion, and, with all due respect, you're such an insignificant fly in my life that I don't want to waste my energy to try and get you on my side

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NigthSHadoew@reddit

I don't want to waste my energy to try and get you on my side

Shame about the energy you wasted on the 5 replies you made to me to try to get me on your side.

Make sure to take a bite from an apple to replenish those calories you wasted

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TostBrot44@reddit

That‘s the first time you made a meaningful comment, thank you

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NigthSHadoew@reddit

Wish I could say the same about you. Oh well

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TostBrot44@reddit

And I wish that I drove a Lamborghini, can‘t get everything in life 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Mnd3333@reddit (OP)

OKULLARINA GÜVENLİK KOYMAYAN HÜKÜMET, DAHA BİR SABUN KOYMAYAN HÜKÜMET. TABİ Kİ ONUNLA İLGİLİ YAPARIM.

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TostBrot44@reddit

I get that the government can be criticised, rightfully so. But in this case? No. It‘s the same circus when rape or murder cases arise. It‘s always the government’s fault.

Have you ever considered the family structures these people grew up in? Or what values they are getting teached? The fuck is the government supposed to do? Raise every single child in all of Türkiye?

And would soap have prevented these lunatics from killing and hurting children in the school? Turks really love to blame all their misery and all their problems towards an entity that is far out of their reach. Whenever I see people like you I feel ashamed of my heritage

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Mnd3333@reddit (OP)

You know that the government caused the family structures these people grew up in right? That's literally what the Ministry of Family and Social Services is supposed to do. But noooo they are busy banning video games and trying to stay proper to Islam while not solving the root of the problem. That 8TH GRADER was able to maintain a weapon AN 8TH GRADE STUDENT. Additional security would have helped also what kind of question is that? ITS SECURITY! PREVENTING FROM PEOPLE GETTING HARMED. The problem of Turks is that they do not blame things on the government THATS THE REASON WHY THE SAME DUDE IS THE PRESIDENT FOR 12 YEARS!

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TostBrot44@reddit

"You know that the government caused the family structures these people grew up in right?"

Then every government in the entire world is failing, what's your point? You know "Familie Ritter" in Germany? There are several hours of documentation about them, children growing up in a violent and racist environment. It's the sad state of life, of course you can criticise the government, I'm not arguing against that, but sometimes and in this case it seems like you're just doing it for the sake of it, it doesn't feel genuine or that you really care. You just love to criticise and being angry for no particular reason

"That's literally what the Ministry of Family and Social Services is supposed to do"

They are supposed to do what? People that hinge behind socially exists everywhere, what do you want them to do?

"ITS SECURITY! PREVENTING FROM PEOPLE GETTING HARMED."

The reason for my question was to show you how these things also happen in America, a country plagued by school shootings. Do you think they don't have securities? It still happens, additional security won't stop a lunatic with a mission. Otherwise there would be no crime or any robbery, because there is security anywhere.

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Mnd3333@reddit (OP)

Then every government in the entire world is failing

Using other governments as an excuse is weak. I don't care what is happening in other places. I want my government to be not corrupt and help those people. They can properly allocate the funding to serious things instead of giving most of it to the Ministry of Religion, which doesn't even require the high amount of funding most of it is going to waste.

They are supposed to do what? People that hinge behind socially exists everywhere, what do you want them to do?

ITS IN THE NAME! MINISTRY OF FAMILY AND SOCIAL SERVICES THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE HELP TO THESE PEOPLE. THEY ARE NOT DOING THEIR JOB PROPERLY! THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO GIVE SOCIAL CARE TO PEOPLE AND FAMILIES!

The reason for my question was to show you how these things also happen in America, a country plagued by school shootings.

The reason that America is plagued by school shootings is because people can have easy access to guns. THAT PROBLEM LITTERALLY EXISTS HERE. Plus, American schools have little security. ITS LITTERALLY THE REASON WHY THEY CAN WALK INTO THE CAMPUS WITH THEIR GUNS OUT IN THE OPEN!

WHATS ONE DUDE GONNA DO ABOUT 5 ARMED POLICEMEN OR GUARDS?!

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TostBrot44@reddit

"I don't care what is happening in other places"

I figured as much, that's why you can't make an impartial assestment, because you're trapped in your own imaginations. You don't know if your criticism is warranted or not, you don't know it any better, your lack of knowledge is showing

"THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO GIVE SOCIAL CARE TO PEOPLE AND FAMILIES!"

And that includes raising the children of said problematic families? What is your suggestion, what should the government do? What should Erdogan do? Again, I'm not defending anyone, but if you want to argue that it's the government's job to raise the children of socially hinged families then you're not very bright

"THAT PROBLEM LITTERALLY EXISTS HERE."

It doesn't, we already established that you view the world in your own bubble, gun control is enforced loosely in America, in Türkiye it's stricter. I am 26 years old, I can go to any American store and buy a gun, I literally can't do the same in Türkiye. If you think that gun accessibilty in Türkiye is as easy as in America then you must live in some Köy or something.

"WHATS ONE DUDE GONNA DO ABOUT 5 ARMED POLICEMEN OR GUARDS?!"

How old are you? Genuinely asking out of curiosity. Are you really asking the government to put at least 5 armed policemen plus guards to govern over every single educational facility in the whole country....

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Mnd3333@reddit (OP)

I figured as much, that's why you can't make an impartial assestment, because you're trapped in your own imaginations. You don't know if your criticism is warranted or not, you don't know it any better, your lack of knowledge is showing

I do not care that other countries having problems same as ours. If they can not properly solve that problem that can not be used as an excuse for our government. I want MY government to solve this issue, If they have that issue they should solve that too, but you should not use that to make an excuse. So what they can have that problem that doesn't mean it doesn't need solving in my country.

And that includes raising the children of said problematic families?

YES IT DOES ITS LITERALLY THEIR PURPOSE OF EXISTING!!! PROVIDE CARE TO THEM! HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF AN ORPHANAGE?! HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF PROVIDING CARE?!?!

gun control is enforced loosely in America, in Türkiye it's stricter

It is stricter but because the police is either busy with something (for example writing up tickets becuase of the stupid amounts of new regulations) or just don't have the proper funding like they are non existing. Which causes illegal firearm selling. IT IS SUPER EASY TO GET AN ILLEGAL FIRE ARM!

How old are you? Genuinely asking out of curiosity. Are you really asking the government to put at least 5 armed policemen plus guards to govern over every single educational facility in the whole country....

Hmm I don't maybe they could allocate the ridicilous amount of the funding for the Ministry of Religion to this? If a government can not protect THEIR OWN CHILDREN WHAT ARE THEY EVEN DOING?!?!

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TostBrot44@reddit

"If they can not properly solve that problem that can not be used as an excuse for our government"

Can you read? I said that I'm not excusing anybody here. If you're refusing to read my comments then why should I bother reading yours?

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Mnd3333@reddit (OP)

Then every government in the entire world is failing, what's your point? You know "Familie Ritter" in Germany? There are several hours of documentation about them, children growing up in a violent and racist environment. It's the sad state of life, of course you can criticise the government, I'm not arguing against that, but sometimes and in this case it seems like you're just doing it for the sake of it, it doesn't feel genuine or that you really care. You just love to criticise and being angry for no particular reason

This was literally your excuse.

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TostBrot44@reddit

But it wasn't used as an excuse, I was giving you a real life example that you can even look up on YouTube or anywhere in the internet

I even said in the same paragraph that you quoted that you can criticise the government and that I'm not arguing against the fact that you criticise them. It just feels like Turks are doing this whenever they feel insecure or whenever something is off in their lives. The fact that you're spending your precious hours here engaging in this meaningless discussion shows me that you live a fulfilling life

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Mnd3333@reddit (OP)

But it wasn't used as an excuse, I was giving you a real life example that you can even look up on YouTube or anywhere in the internet

Which was to prove that the government wasn't at 100% fault at this...

which counts as an excuse...

The fact that you're spending your precious hours here engaging in this meaningless discussion shows me that you live a fulfilling life

The human nature of trying to prove a point just doesn't exist then? It's called social media, which where you socialize. Which is a need of a person to keep their sanity.

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TostBrot44@reddit

"which counts as an excuse..."

I mean if you want to see the world as pure black and white, 100% support or 100% against then sure, I can live with that.

It just portrays you as a narrowminded individual uncapable of any critical thinking

"The human nature of trying to prove a point just doesn't exist then?"

It doesn't outweigh the human nature of surviving or trying to provide for their family tho. If you can allocate your time here, then you live a fulfilling live. But then, if you think that "Social Media" is you actually "socializing" then I take that statement back. You live a very sad life

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Mnd3333@reddit (OP)

I'm not saying that these problems doesn't exist anywhere they do, but using that as an excuse to not blame the government for not doing their job is weak. Whether the one doing this is from country A or B.

Tf am I supposed to do, go out to socialize and then get stabbed on the way? Socialize at a place where I can not even properly afford to get things?

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TostBrot44@reddit

"but using that as an excuse to not to blame the government for not doing their job is weak"

Here is a screenshot of my previous reply, it's literally the same thing. I'm not excusing shit, I'm giving you an example that some things in life is beyond anyone's reach. If you want to blame the government then you can do that, but keep in mind that sometimes it's not even warranted. It's easy to blame others for your miseries. Actually doing something about it is far harder, that's the assestment I have of Turks living in Türkiye.

"Socialize at a place where I can not even properly afford to get things?"

If you can't afford "things" then what are you doing here instead of actually doing something about your situation?

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Mnd3333@reddit (OP)

It's easy to blame others for your miseries. Actually doing something about it is far harder

WTF AM I GOING TO DO?!

WALK INTO THE GOVERNMENT PALACE AND HAVE A CHAT WITH THE PRESIDENT?

IM A USUAL CITIZEN!

If you can't afford "things" then what are you doing here instead of actually doing something about your situation?

Hmmm, maybe it's because the government has ruined all of my chances to do something about my situation?

Get in a job? oh no, someone with close ties to the current party was employed first.

Leave the country? oh no, the government is purposefully rejecting visas for travelling into other countries or have a job there.

Oh and I am at fault for the high prices and the devaluation of the lira, I should've been born in a rich family.

Work in the private sector? Oh yeah I should work in terrible conditions for a wage that doesn't even allow me to rent a place.

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TostBrot44@reddit

"WALK INTO THE GOVERNMENT PALACE AND HAVE A CHAT WITH THE PRESIDENT?"

Then do something that IS in your reach? How about that? Turks in Türkiye only know two states 1. Blame others and 2. Give up

And discussing with random people on Social Media isn't going to uplift your situation either. You just gave up. "Mimimi, the government did this, that's why I'm like this"

But you have enough time, courage and willpower to discuss completely useless things with someone whose name you don't even know. Stark

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kureysalp@reddit

We had security at our highschool and gues what studens were yapping about. "Are we living in a prison? What kind of country is that? Why we need security?".

Beileve it or not our people will always find something to complain.

Very similar with having security checks in malls. We are probably only, if not one of a couple countries that have security checks in malls. We constantly complain about it "it makes unneccessary waiting lines", "we are not free", "other countries doesn't have this" etc.

Now thing about we removed that regulation and someday a shooting happened in a mall. Who is the blame? Goverment? People who made the pressure about removing the security? Or the maniac who decided to do a shooting in the first place?

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TostBrot44@reddit

He suggest in an underlying tone that the government should put 5 armed (!) policemen PLUS guards into every school. Just think about it.

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Mnd3333@reddit (OP)

I did not say plus I said "OR" why are you trying to alter real information? what happened? you feel like you are about to lose?

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TostBrot44@reddit

Yes I feel like I'm losing this meaningless internet discussion. You won, feel better?

Or, or Plus doesn't make your statement any less ridiculous tho

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Mnd3333@reddit (OP)

since when was wanting my government to protect it's children is ridicilous.

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TostBrot44@reddit

Wanting them to protect them isn't ridiculous, it's natural even. But your suggested idea was.

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Mnd3333@reddit (OP)

what is your suggested idea then?

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TostBrot44@reddit

Nuke the whole country? I think that would solve everything.

We're talking about a country were road rages end up in deadly knife stabs. Or where lunatic boyfriends cut the body of their girlfriends in pieces. Hell I even saw a story of an 80 year old woman killing her 82 year old husband in the same manner or whatever. Or that time when a lunatic just got out and stabbed a schoolgirl with the explanation "I felt like doing it"

But in an ideal world I would allocate more money to education, just to boost the average IQ in the whole country for starters. Then? Idk, I'm not a politician

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Fiery_Flamingo@reddit

“Don’t blame the government for not governing”, peak Erdogan lover.

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TostBrot44@reddit

"Anyone who disagrees with me must love Erdogan"

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Mnd3333@reddit (OP)

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TostBrot44@reddit

Can't you see the correlation? He says I'm an Erdogan lover, my reply was based on his claims.

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Mnd3333@reddit (OP)

he didn't say that because you were simply saying something different than he believed. He said that because you are acting like you are pro-government.

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TostBrot44@reddit

It was used as an underlying insult, and it's clear that our opinions differ here.

So, as a result, he insults me and claims I support Erdogan just because I don't share his opinion

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Mnd3333@reddit (OP)

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TostBrot44@reddit

Should I paint the situation with crayons for you to understand that we don't share the same opinion, thus he calls me an Erdogan supporter? It's really not that hard, I swear.

If I could I would explain it in Turkish, but then you would understand even less

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Mnd3333@reddit (OP)

You can not understand causation can you?

The person has called you an Erdogan supporter because you were doing something most Erdogan supporters do.

You were talking like you are trying to protect the government that doesn't do it's job.

You are the one that needs explanation with crayons not me.

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ragingtemper@reddit

One way or another the government is also at fault here.

Even more, when the same people govern for so many years.

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TostBrot44@reddit

Yes I'm familiar with the doctrine that, baseline, the government is at fault for anything that is wrong with my life

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ragingtemper@reddit

Ok, I never said anything like that.

Someone voted for this or any government.

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freakofnature420@reddit

Yazık kafana

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TostBrot44@reddit

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ragingtemper@reddit

Maybe not a total blackout but the aim should be to avoid the publicity and notoriety those pervetedsouls want to achieve.

Extended publicity results in glorification, in their minds.

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casual_philosopher02@reddit

close the schools for at least a week and black out the media, this can tur into a serious social contagion

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Significant-Ad-7182@reddit

Suggesting a psychologist is suggesting there is something wrong with the victim rather then the bully. It's normalizing bullying. Whoever thought that was a solution is the one that needs to go get their pscyche checked up.

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Far-Cabinet3312@reddit

Nobody cannot make me believe those incidents are just because of mental problems of kids, or video games. This is the first time of the whole Turkish history. This is a planned and executed assault directed by something dark and twisted.2 days 2 school shooting can not be just a coincidence!

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DuePositive8957@reddit

Anything but actually trying to make the situation better. What a fucking bullshit country man people die and insted of doing something about it they silence the voice of those who tries to raise their own voice.

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More_Success9047@reddit

I am particularly interested in this topic because I conduct neurological research. There are two possibilities: peer bullying and exclusion lead criminals to become criminals, or terrorism. (Sorry for my English, i use some translate here.)

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Head_Pin5280@reddit

I blame the tcc

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Fit_Dinner6841@reddit

Also one student catched with gun in his backpack in Mersin

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Putrid_Insurance4868@reddit

I have the manifesto.

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BurgurluGenc031@reddit

there was already a walkout on teachers today or one day ago and this shits happens. I keep worrying for my friends at school and ı also know goverment just gonna blame and bans something they dont like using this things instead trying to find solutions like 'PUTTİN SECURİTY TO SCHOOL ENTRANCES'

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