To know why a man and a woman are in conflict is to know why world is in conflict
Posted by Big_Confusion6957@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 19 comments
This article by Acharya Prashant offers a radical Vedantic perspective on the root of conflict. He suggests that we mistakenly view "world peace" as a political goal, when in fact, the world is merely an aggregation of individual relationships. If a man and a woman—the most basic unit of human connection—cannot exist without conflict, it is because they are operating from a "center of ignorance" and biological conditioning. Prashant argues that we are "miniature representations" of the entire world; our inner tensions, unmet expectations, and ego-clashes are the very same forces that escalate into national wars. To solve the world's harshness, one must first address the "inner animal" and the conditioned past that dictates our behavior.
Shoddy-Childhood-511@reddit
We've aligned almost all humans into one massive global collaboration through trade. We've done this relatively peacefully too, albeit increasing inequality like economic growth always does.
Instead, we should expect that aligning humanity together should inherently align humanity against nature, and against future humans interests.
We've never figured out how to make thermocynamics explain evolution, but we've nice attempts like the maximum power principle : During self-organization, system designs develop and prevail that maximize power intake, energy transformation, and those uses that reinforce production and efficiency. (H.T. Odum 1995, p. 311)
At first, that sure sounds like growth until collapse, but in nature conflicts via predation & paricites plus starvation limit population and consumption.
As a species, we've simply broken the tribal conflict required to hold our consumption in check and give us sustianability.
We need conflicts that help give sustainability without destroying everything, like semi-cold wars where nations sabotage one anothers' refineries, poison one anothers' cattle, etc.
Related: - More and more and more by Jean Baptiste Fressoz - Elite overproduction ala Peter Turchin provides another fun example (see Jiang Xueqin's nice remarks too).
True-Vast-3731@reddit
We did?
OatSoyLaMilk@reddit
Yes, inevitably women and men order drones strikes on each other. That's why we can't have world peace.
Few_Fish8771@reddit
The problem boils down to goliaths curse. Goliaths curse always appears when the peasants the people who actually produce create invent or create value cannot flee to another frontier. If you make leaving to another frontier viable the leverage kleptocrats have collapses rather than improve. Once people have options they go to where they are treated best.
GardenScared8153@reddit
Not true at all, all wars on this planet are completely scripted/manufactured by the cabal ruling class playing god to kill the poor and consolidate wealth and control over warring societies. All the rulers on opposite sides of a war are not in conflict as much as they like to appear to be. They are just carrying out a purge of their useless slaves for their own masters.
Putin and Zelensky are not fighting a war because of their inner animal, they are just fighting a war because their common boss told them to kill a lot of ukrainian working class people and a lot of russian young working class people. Their boss also will make a ton of money from this war and gain even more power control over both Russia and Ukraine.
Ukraine is now in a lot of debt and destruction so the ruling class can sweep in and buy everything with pennies on the dollar.
There is no better way to kill someone than to give him a gun, fill his head with nonsense and send him off to kill the other person you also want to kill.
In a lot of wars on this planet, the same people are arming both sides of the conflict.
There will always be conflicts between humans in all relationships that does not mean they have to kill each other/beat each other up everytime there is one.
Big_Confusion6957@reddit (OP)
The ruling class is also made up of individuals. This article deals with inception of conflict at individual level escalating to relationships, community, country and everywhere.
GardenScared8153@reddit
They are a top down hierarchy like a corporation or mafia group. They are pretty much a planet scale organized crime group.
Own-Medium5232@reddit
You have such hierarchies everywhere. Schools, workplaces, families...
GardenScared8153@reddit
They pretty much assassinate anyone who disobeys the sick girl playing god queen at the top.
Own-Medium5232@reddit
Girl?
Strange-Patience5539@reddit
We put all those in power by electing them, they are our representatives. As long as masses remain ignorant, people like Trump, Netyanahu will be elected as presidents.
GardenScared8153@reddit
That's just an illusion of choice, elections are a scam. No such thing as democracy in most western countries. Whoever disobeys the cabal while in a position of leadership gets assassinated/destroyed.
Slow_Yogurtcloset106@reddit
Ignorance = conflict !
Big_Confusion6957@reddit (OP)
This article argues that civilizational collapse is not merely an external event (like climate change or economic failure) but a result of "fragmented consciousness" manifested in the smallest unit of society: the man-woman relationship.
He posits that if we cannot maintain peace in our most intimate spheres, global conflict and systemic breakdown are inevitable because the "inner animal" and biological conditioning that drive domestic friction are the same forces driving global wars.
Understanding why an individual couple is in conflict is key to understanding why our global structures are currently collapsing under the weight of ego and past conditioning.
gnostic_savage@reddit
The world is conflict because conflict is inherent to life on Earth. Nearly every single biological life form exists only because it eats something else that is alive, and it's possible that all life forms have some consciousness, even plants. Violence is inherent to our existence, and because of that conflict is inescapable.
We don't have an inner animal. We are animals. We are mammals, and more specifically we are hominins and very closely related to other apes. We are one hundred percent animals, unless you accept that we also are spirit, or that consciousness transcends materiality. I appreciate the idea that we are more than our material selves, but I think this individual frames the ideas poorly. The framing is in a very western, anthropocentric perspective that denigrates animal nature. All our biological nature is animal nature. There isn't any other kind of nature that exists, unless, again, you believe that consciousness is the foundational reality of existence and that consciousness creates the experience of materiality, rather than believing the materialistic perspective that Nature creates consciousness. It's one or the other. But if you believe the one, that materiality creates consciousness, then we are one hundred percent animals.
There is nothing wrong with animals. I like them a lot, especially many of the non-human kind. We make ourselves insane more than they do. I find them more peaceful than humans most of the time.
MavinMarv@reddit
“He posits that if we cannot maintain peace in our most intimate spheres, global conflict and systemic breakdown are inevitable because the "inner animal" and biological conditioning that drive domestic friction are the same forces driving global wars.”
But but… I’ve been told multiple times by religious people that humans are not animals we were created. lol /s obviously.
fastsaltywitch@reddit
I would argue that relationship with one self is the smallest unit...
Big_Confusion6957@reddit (OP)
Yes, absolutely right.
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This article argues that civilizational collapse is not merely an external event (like climate change or economic failure) but a result of "fragmented consciousness" manifested in the smallest unit of society: the man-woman relationship.
He posits that if we cannot maintain peace in our most intimate spheres, global conflict and systemic breakdown are inevitable because the "inner animal" and biological conditioning that drive domestic friction are the same forces driving global wars.
Understanding why an individual couple is in conflict is key to understanding why our global structures are currently collapsing under the weight of ego and past conditioning.
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