(Update) NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5060 Ti and RTX 5060 rumored to get 9GB GDDR7 variants - VideoCardz.com
Posted by KARMAAACS@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 48 comments
Saneless@reddit
Consumers, reviewers, analysts, developers: 8GB is just not enough for today's games
Nvidia: pretty sure we just solved this issue! Behold.. 9GB
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
What does that mean? Which settings/games are considered enough for today's games?
ProZoid_10@reddit
1) Ultra-high for target resolution at least 60fps native latency and frames not reflex or anti lag measured
2) No obvious vram issues, muddy textures, stutters or severely downgraded textures in at least 25% of games tested
3) At least be able to run high-med optimized settings in 3 years
4) Be able to run RT low-med on top of high settings + dlss q
5) top 30 steam games excluding legacy (they run well by default) on year of card release
6) top 20 of previous 2 years games with standards above
bubblesort33@reddit
The base PS5 is like $599-$649 now.
6 year into the PS4 generation you could get a 4gb RX 5500 GPU for about 40% of the cost of a ps4. A little faster than a PS5. Now it's less than 6 years into the generation and you can get PS5 equivalent GPU for 40% of the PS5, in the RX 5050. Both of them have dedicated VRAM equal to half the consoles shared (with CPU and OS) memory.
So it doesn't look any worse to me now than it did 7 years ago
ProZoid_10@reddit
First of all ps4 was not equivalent to rx 5500 and 6 years after its release we had faster gpus with equivalent vram and 30% cheaper and 200%+ faster
bubblesort33@reddit
You didn't have the ability in 2019 to run ultra settings on 4gb GPUs either.
Yes, we had faster GPUs with vram equal to the total vram on a PS4. We now also have faster GPUs than a PS5 now. 5060ti 16gb or 5070ti.
The PS4 pro was equal to an Rx 5500, and had the same performance to price ratio vs an RX 5500. A very similar ratio the RTX 5050 had vs the PS5 now. Console gaming isn't in any better state than PC gaming is, especially at current pricing of consoles.
You could get an RTX 2060 with 3/4 the vram off a base PS4, for more money than a PS4 regular sold for. Almost 200% faster for more money. You can get a 5070 with also 3/4 the VRAM for less than a PS5 is now. Like 150% more money, but cheaper. Again, not that huge of a difference. Everything gone up proportionally, and I'm not seeing console gamers getting screwed any less.
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
If thats Reddit & teletubers expectations no wonder, no wonder 8gb continue doing well with games people are buying
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MrMPFR@reddit
Anyone wanna guess how much more expensive 4 x 24Gb (12GB) is vs 4 x 16Gb (8GB).
3 x 24Gb (9GB) is likely significantly more expensive than 2 x 16Gb already :(
psi-storm@reddit
Yes, why would they keep the 128bit bus and give people 12 GB cards in the mid range?
Saneless@reddit
I'm sure there's some report they have in there that shows the 3060 siphoned customers away from the 3060ti and 70s and they don't want to repeat that "mistake" again
MrMPFR@reddit
3060 was before the VRAM mess. They were just forced to ship it with 12GB because they didn't think 6GB was enough back then.
Funny thing is that 8GB now is worse than 6GB in 2021. shows just how big cheapskates NVIDIA have been
yimingwuzere@reddit
Also nobody makes 1.5GB GDDR6 chips, otherwise Nvidia would use that instead.
Saneless@reddit
But that was a reaction to the VRAM mess for the exact reason you said: people were really worried about 6GB not being enough
They just refused to react again
MrMPFR@reddit
There was no widespread coverage of VRAM situation back then.
But NVIDIA prob thought 6GB wouldn't be enough for nextgen games.
42LSx@reddit
The RTX2060 was severely criticized when it was released for offering only 6GB RAM in 2019.
MrMPFR@reddit
Wasn't that a common theme with 20 series though? I remember people criticizing 2080 for only having 8GB as well.
StarbeamII@reddit
Because it cost as much as a 1080 Ti 11GB that largely performed the same at the time.
MrMPFR@reddit
IIRC it was even worse. 799 with actual retail pricing. 20 series was horrible at launch xD. 1080 TI for a $100 premium and 3GB less but with DLSS 1.0 (joke) and NO impressive RT for years.
Only SUPER refresh was acceptable except for joke 2080S.
Saneless@reddit
And the 20 series was more small of a bump. Like the 1060 compared to the 980. But the 2060 wasn't even close to the 1080
StarbeamII@reddit
VRAM aside, 2060 matched the 1070 at launch and over time with driver updates and such approached the 1080.
kyp-d@reddit
It was enough for laptop 3060 tough... Which have more cuda cores.
MrMPFR@reddit
Mobile has always been horrible since 30 series. They're still shipping 5070s with 8GB
kikimaru024@reddit
5070 Mobile is below 5050 desktop in performance LMAO
LukeValenti@reddit
Mobile 5070 has around 5060 ti 16gb performance unless severly power limited.
FitCress7497@reddit
For people who don't want to click
ea_man@reddit
Wait: so the title is wrong? "RTX 5060 Ti and RTX 5060" won't change?
bubblesort33@reddit
It would make no sense at all to launch 9GB cards of those models.
The 9GB RTX 5050 has more memory bandwidth than the regular 5050, because the reduction of the memory bus from 128 bit to 96 bit is compensated by moving from GDDR6 to GDDR7. 75% the bus width, using 40% faster RAM is 0.75 x 1.40 = 1.05. So the 9GB RTX 5050 got 5% more bandwidth.
There is nothing you can do to a 5060ti to make a 96 bit bus work on that card. You'd need 38 Gbps memory for it to not suck, which I don't' think exists yet. If they released a 9GB RTX 5060ti it might be almost slower than a regular 5060.
MrMPFR@reddit
If they raise power limit by 5-10% and bump freq by \~5-10% shouldn't that be more than enough to offset mem BW at 36gbps?
But I'm not sure the mem IC can handle those speeds.
I know 4060 TI was starved but was 18gbps -> 28gbps really necessary? Maybe a small freq bump is enough to offset 32gbps GDDR7.
Still pointless since it seems like only 5050 will get 9GB offering.
tukatu0@reddit
Bandwitdh matters less than total vram. I learned that lesson with 4070ti (+ super) and 3090ti. These 5x cards would be fine. The l2 cache might make up for any loss in bandwidth. Ironically because it's more memory.
MrMPFR@reddit
The 9GB is prob enough to avoid any issues with 1080p medium.
I was comparing against 4060 TI. IIRC they have same L2.
THXFLS@reddit
They'll really use those 3Gb chips on everything but the Supers, huh.
bubblesort33@reddit
They could still call this the 5050 SUPER.
MrMPFR@reddit
SUPER was scrapped. This is Temu edition xD
whiskeytown79@reddit
Man... I had a hard enough time when they started using numbers for RAM that weren't powers of two, but at least those were still even.
ea_man@reddit
FYI: there's people who are building inference maschine with 5060 16GB, I guess that NVIDIA does not like this as they want to sell some $$$ pro GPU instead, so they may want to choke the VRAM bus.
The most over evaluated board on the market is the 5070ti, because people buy 1-4 of those for inference with LLM.
Glad_Courage_5063@reddit
this aged like milk fast
Kotschcus_Domesticus@reddit
so will this actually make them worse or better or actually same?
Z3r0sama2017@reddit
Depends. In games that were vram starved, it will make a big difference. In games that weren't and were bandwith starved? Ouch!
glizzygobbler247@reddit
Gotta love that 96 bit bus😂
Z3r0sama2017@reddit
I don't even think my first gpu, the geforce 6600 had a 96bit bus and that was over 20 years ago.
iDontSeedMyTorrents@reddit
Wish people would drop this mindset. Bus width is irrelevant if capacity and bandwidth is sufficient. The 5050 is a straight upgrade going from 128-bit to 96-bit.
SoulCrusher2018@reddit
Bandwidth= bus width x speed. Ignoring the speed means people are only thinking about half the variables. The original GTX Titan had a bus width of 384 bits. It's memory speed is listed as 1502MHz. Total Bandwidth is 288.4 GB/s.
Let's compare that to the (current) RTX 5050 with a 128 bit bus. The clock speed is listed as 20 GB/s (not sure why wiki changes the memory speed metric?) and the total Bandwidth is 320 GB/s. So, by using faster vram, they were able to deliver 11% higher bandwidth using a bus 1/3 the size. For the proposed 9GB version, the math continues that an even smaller bus with even higher speed results in more bandwidth.
Saneless@reddit
Waiting for them to say they've managed to quantum compress things and only need a 48 but bus
RearNutt@reddit
For the 5060 and 5060 Ti, this would make them less performant even with the faster memory since the effective bandwidth is lower compared to the 128-bit setup. Might help on VRAM constrained situations though, or at least allow a little bit of headroom for Frame Generation.
For the 5050, it would be a straight upgrade since the change from GDDR6 to GDDR7 would result in higher effective bandwidth despite the shorter bus width.
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
same
iBoMbY@reddit
April 1st was two weeks ago?
callmemerryss@reddit
feels like supply constraints are still the real story pricing matters more than specs right now.
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