Should Grand National attendees eat last years horses that were “humanely destroyed” as a result of their injuries ?
Posted by Temporary_Ebb9486@reddit | AskUK | View on Reddit | 521 comments
Every year there is a debate on the ethics of horse racing because the horses are injured and shot. Also every year we kill and butcher millions of animals for food. The Grand National punters tend to downplay the horse death. Would it be an honest confrontation with our ethics if we ate the injured horses ?
Current_Mongoose_844@reddit
I don't have an issue with eating horse in general. I've eaten it in Canada, it's good.
Medical-Meat-7065@reddit
I've eaten horse meat overseas. It's really nice..
BroodLord1962@reddit
I would have no issue with that. They eat horse in France and I've tried when I was there
hairlikebrianmay@reddit
I remember the horsemeat scandal in the UK. I used to buy burgers from Asda which we used to enjoy and they stopped stocking them because they contained horse meat. Why not just treat me like an adult, put horse on the ingredients and I can choose if I want to eat them.
PutTheKettleOff@reddit
The scandal was as much that they didn't know what meat was in it.
Yes, it was also that the UK has arbitrarily decided that horses aren't food - but having it labelled Cow and actually being Horse is a problem anyway.
blamordeganis@reddit
Yeah, less “oh no, horse” and more “where the fuck did this come from, and what condition was it in when (and after) it died”.
And at least horsemeat in beef burgers can be detected by DNA testing. God knows how many cow carcasses deemed unfit for human consumption snuck through.
personalunderclock@reddit
Honestly the fact that supply chain transparency isn't mandatory is kind of wild to me. People are buying from people who bought from totally unknown parties, in a system that incentivises profit maximisation. Of course we're randomly going to end up with mystery meat.
blamordeganis@reddit
But but commercial confidentiality!
nrsys@reddit
Bingo.
If we can't even be sure what animal we are eating, how can we be sure that meat is appropriately sourced and safe for consumption? What else had been included alongside the horse?
The fact that it was noted as being an animal that isn't traditionally eaten in the UK just helped grab the headlines.
Meat2480@reddit
Side order, could be your daughter,how would you ever know?
Motorhead,eat the rich,
TrackNinetyOne@reddit
There was also a fear (funnily enough considering this post) that race horses could have been included along with the multitude of drugs used on them, either not tested for human consumption or outright banned
PrunusSpin0sa@reddit
Yeah, there was quite a bit of investigation into this aspect.
A big meaty horse with bad medication paperwork is basically worthless, so there was a lot of cloning of animal health passports going on.
Therefore a lot of ex racers (ketted up) and chubby feral fly grazed cobs (no health checks) were ending up "going to France*" on fake paperwork.
*Tesco etc
bill_end@reddit
What's a feral fly grazed cob?
PrunusSpin0sa@reddit
Ah yeah, sorry Bill, I got a bit carried away.
Cobs are lovely, tough, hairy working large ponies. Often with two colour coats and hairy hoofage, and usually equipped with a bit of fire and attitude, like a big equine Jack Russell terrier.
They are the favoured breed for high speed pony and trap driving. The council estate hot hatch of the horsey world?
They're often found in groups on random bits of grass and in random fields that may or may not belong to the owners of said Cobs. This practice is known as fly grazing.
Alive_Ice7937@reddit
This is why it was officially a food mislabeling scandal rather than a food contamination scandal.
Occamsfacecloth@reddit
Where was this officially regarded as a mislabeling scandal? You're being upvoted but you're wrong. Or wasn't horse meat intended for France that was otherwise mixed up, it was horse meat that wasn't supposed to be in the supply chain at all. It absolutely was a contamination scandal. A big point at the time being talked about was questions of the unknown hormones and medications that these mysterious horses may have been full of, because they were not in fact horses farmed for human consumption with all the regulation that comes with that.
HugAllYourFriends@reddit
yeah, at the time there was a lot of uncertainty over where the meat came from and who was responsible - In the end, none tested positive for banned drugs/hormones. It was determined that much of the meat came from either Poland or Romania and in both cases it left a slaughterhouse labelled as horsemeat, but was fraudulently changed to beef before it reached the last processor. a couple of dutch guys went to prison for less than 5 years and otherwise most of the consequences were to the supermarkets and the suppliers who didn't actually do the fraud
Occamsfacecloth@reddit
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22087123
Sburns85@reddit
Not as much as you think. Slaughter houses are ruthless at making sure no sick animals get through
blamordeganis@reddit
I would have thought they were equally ruthless at ensuring none of the wrong species get through. And yet …
Sburns85@reddit
It wasn’t the slaughter houses making the mince.
blubbery-blumpkin@reddit
But it was a white horse with black splotches. And I was tired at work that day.
Occamsfacecloth@reddit
They must have been shooting a film. Everyone knows that cows don't look like cows on TV. You have to paint horses.
SilverLordLaz@reddit
Yeah agree, I think it was the "we don't know what's in here" that was the scandal, not that Shergar might be in your lasagne
imtheorangeycenter@reddit
Every horse you can name in video games (red dead redemption etc) has been called Findus or Lasagne for me since then
20127010603170562316@reddit
That's a deep cut.
thebottomofawhale@reddit
Iirc, it was an issue of if the horses included had been raised in a way that was up to food standards, specifically regarding what medications that had been given.
hairlikebrianmay@reddit
My point was it could have been relabeled with the true ingredients.
PutTheKettleOff@reddit
Absolutely - but that's not really to do with the scandal itself and more our national culture.
We could equally argue to serve up dog with the same morals that we serve up pig. But one of them is fine, and the other is horrific.
Sburns85@reddit
It’s because horses and dogs were used as work animals. Pigs, cows and sheep weren’t
PutTheKettleOff@reddit
That's the origin, yes. But it's not a satisfactory moral rationale as to why one is food and the other isn't.
Demonthief27@reddit
It’s empathy isn’t it. People empathise with sheep and dogs naturally, when we see them we want to go so hello and give them a cuddle. Most folk don’t look at pigs or cows with the same empathy so it’s easy to eat them.
I can’t eat lamb personally I absolutely adore sheep and would just feel wrong.
Sburns85@reddit
I am the same. I see horses as useful. Dogs as companions. But sheep, pigs and cattle as food they are also more efficient at turning grass into meat than horses
EhDinnaeEvenKen@reddit
Horse was actually routinely eaten back when they were working animals. It's only in the 1920's-1930's after the mechanisation of agriculture, when horses became pets rather than working animals, that horse meat disappeared from british plates.
no-user-names-@reddit
Look at the pig meat industry. They’re both horrific.
Moppo_@reddit
That wasn't the whole issue, though. Since the horses weren't raised for their meat, even if they did know they were in the food, they might not have met food safety guidelines.
SarkyMs@reddit
I am sure it was food grade horse meat.
_indi@reddit
Strange thing to be sure of, if they didn’t even know there was horse in there.
SarkyMs@reddit
Fair point.
Prasiatko@reddit
Yeah thay got swept under the rug by the ew/haha you ate a horse. I remember in one of the cases a journalist tracked some beef used to a source that was marked not fir for human consumption due to disease
smg78472@reddit
Yeah exactly. IIRC it was as much a "supermarkets are all trying to pull the wool over our eyes" scandal as it was a "British people are eating horse?!" scandal.
Fluffygong@reddit
Because in the UK our Government has a culture of banning things rather than educating on them and providing information and letting people decide for themselves. But then again we also feel the need to have "Not for human consumption" or "Do not drink" on products you'd clean your bathroom with so there we go
throwaway928816@reddit
Tesco the horse was my favourite Top Gear character.
Powerful_Balance591@reddit
Horse is quite common in France I believe, I don’t see the big deal aside from labelling it one thing and it being another
scouse_git@reddit
If cheval is on the menu in a French restaurant I'll order it because you don't get it everywhere. Ditto lapin.
bill_end@reddit
You can get rabbit here from some rural butchers. Is nice slow cooked. I like to mix with other game meats, bacon lardons and juniper berries.
angrymurderhornet@reddit
I’m an omnivore and have never knowingly eaten horsemeat, but I don’t think it’s ethically different from eating beef or pork. That said, that horseburger scandal noted the unknown provenance of the horsemeat. IIRC there was no record of its ever having been inspected and deemed safe for human consumption.
Aggressive_Cream_188@reddit
As an ex horse owner and abbatpir worker I think I'm in a good place to say that the trade in horses for meat has always been pretty fucking brutal. Leaving animals to suffer overnight with no water or food, getting them out of the country quick to avoid rest breaks(saying they'll be taken upon offloading from ships) then driving them for 24 hours or so I the same vehicle without breaks. Then add all the dick and over medicated animals in and it's no surprise there was a fuss made.
But then dickheads are hugging ivermectin these days, so they might as well eat shit.
But horse meat raised a meat is great, but don't eat the expets as they're often as full of shitty drugs as any elderly person
55percent_Unicorn@reddit
I'd said for years that Lidl's lasagne was the best one. Turns out it was mostly horse meat. I miss that lasagne...
jovial_rebel@reddit
Burger King has never tasted the same since that scandal.
In Europe, horse meat is eaten all the time. In the UK we use it for pet food, which is fine really, but why can't we have it on the menu, it's absolutely delicious.
CyndersParadigm@reddit
You won't find any horses down there. Most rabbit holes are too small for horses
BINGGBONGGBINGGBONGG@reddit
would you rather fight 10 rabbit sized horses or a horse sized rabbit?
mereway1@reddit
A few years ago , the Princess Anne publicly said that we in the UK should eat horses!
vae0o@reddit
my old secondary school made the best burgers i’ve ever eaten and i still really miss them, but they tasted a bit different than just beef. i’m still somewhat convinced it was mixed with horse meat
tessathemurdervilles@reddit
I’m living in Germany right now and horse meat/parts is used in a lot of dog food and treats. I was wondering where all these dead horses were coming from…
Greatgrowler@reddit
I believe part of the issue is that the horses in question would not have been eligible to enter the food system because of medication they had received.
theevildjinn@reddit
Should've used that as a selling point.
"Tesco Value burgers - now with added ketamine!"
idris_elbows@reddit
Ooh, added Vitamin K
SelectTrash@reddit
A burger that takes you into a K hole
Professional-Bed-173@reddit
Eat two and you are chewing your face off!
MattyFTM@reddit
That wasn't the main issue. A drug called "Bute" is often given to horses not intended for consumption. It is not permitted in horsemeat. But the vast majority of horsemeat found during the scandal did not contain bute. It was quite a while into the scandal that they found some Asda Smart Price Corned Beef that contained bute. That's the only product I remember being highlighted on the news for that issue.
The main issue was the lack of traceability of meat in the foodchain. No one knew horsemeat was in these products.
Ok-Smoke-8391@reddit
Yes, they are often signed out of the food chain on their passports, my wife’s pony included due to meds prescribed that are not suitable for humans.
AdhesivenessLost151@reddit
IKEA meatballs have never been as good either. Turns out the French are on to something. Horses are tasty.
RepresentativeWay734@reddit
That was Tesco not Asda.
hairlikebrianmay@reddit
It was Asda
Tyruto@reddit
I thought it was Tesco? I remember my dad taking me to Tesco to buy some because I wanted to try horse meat 😂
decidedlyindecisive@reddit
It was a supply chain rather than just one supermarket or brand. IIRC, a few supermarkets and a couple of non-supermarket brands were caught out by it
StatisticianUsual471@reddit
I worked at morrisons at the time the amount of people who didn't have a clue about it making snarky little comments about it got annoying very quickly
Master-Narwhal-9101@reddit
There were also traces of hedgehog dna...
hairlikebrianmay@reddit
Don't they make Hedge bacon from hedgehogs?
Green_Guava9087@reddit
It's actually from Hedge Fund Managers that don't meet their quarterly goals!
Profession-Unable@reddit
Have you got a source for that one?
smalbluething@reddit
There was a remark that they didn't test for hedgehog either as a justification of why the scandal happened. They didn't find hedgehog in British meat.
MrPogoUK@reddit
I’d always vaguely assumed the cheap burgers contained contained a hefty percentage of rat, spider and pigeon, so horse was a pleasant surprise.
Sergeant_Fred_Colon@reddit
The scandal wasn't that they had horse meat in them, it was because horse meat wasn't on the label.
callisstaa@reddit
I lived in Kazakhstan for a few years and horse is fucking good, although it’s pretty expensive there.
Todays-Idiot-Award@reddit
Horses for courses
ChewpapaNeebrae@reddit
The IKEA meatballs actually tasted worse when they came back on the menu 😞
samworthy85@reddit
One of the truest facts in the history of the works.
Additional_Beyond378@reddit
Fully agree, just label them as horse meat burgers and I’ll gladly munch away
bluejackmovedagain@reddit
The issue was that there was a risk the horse meat was not safe for human consumption. Working horses are treated with all sorts of medication that is not approved for use on animals intended to be eaten by humans, including phenylbutazone which can make humans fatally ill.
It's entirely legal to raise horses for meat in the UK as long as proper livestock procedures are followed. The issue with availability is just that there isn't really a market for horse meat here so shops don't sell it.
SoggyWotsits@reddit
Horse meat isn’t a problem. Horses that have slipped through the system and might have died from disease, or been treated with medicines unsuitable for humans are.
Mglfll@reddit
I still stand by Ikea hot dogs went down in quality when they changed to not horse meat!
TachiH@reddit
Finders Crispy Pancakes have been shit ever since they took the horse out 🤣. They talk about French cuisine being the best, if horse is good enough for them then why not here. (Yes I know it is because it was mislabeled)
eggs_and_ham_i_am@reddit
I get that. You wanted to decide for yourself and say yay or neigh on horse meet..
Unsoftened_Reality@reddit
Man In missed those minute steaks...
Veenkoira00@reddit
Yep, that's what they do on the Continent.
Livewire____@reddit
I've eaten Horsemeat, knowingly. So I honestly wouldn't be bothered.
AdministrativeLaugh2@reddit
I doubt many would have a problem eating horse. It’s a common dish in many countries including in lots of Europe
Uvanimor@reddit
They farm and eat a lot of horse in Iceland instead of cows because it’s local. You will see a lot of these horses driving around the island.
Ordering it on a menu felt weird, but it was honestly one of the best steaks I have ever eaten - if nobody told me it was horse I would have just assumed it was a really good, grass-fed beef steak.
Affectionate_Crow327@reddit
Whales the same. A little tough, but a decent enough steak.
Puffin was great.
Rough_Diver941@reddit
Where next for your travels, Mr. Darwin?
Affectionate_Crow327@reddit
Germany on Monday.
bill_end@reddit
They are indeed genetically very similar.
So much so that I accidentally put an each way bet on Daisy from the local dairy to win the Grand National. She didn't even place, most disappointing.
smollpinkbear@reddit
I also had it in Iceland and I agree with you about it being almost like really nice beef. I don’t eat beef much, find it generally a bit meh, but I’d happily eat horse given the chance.
Likewise I had the best burger I’ve ever had in Iceland and it was goose meat! 100% better than a beef burger
EpicEpicnessTheEpic@reddit
I've had a few ostrich steaks from Sainsbury's now and they are excellent. They go really well with warm, fresh cranberries.
smollpinkbear@reddit
Oh thanks for the recommendation! I’ll have to look out for those!
Uvanimor@reddit
I never tried their goose but lamb in Iceland was incredible - has to be something about the animals being treated with respect as they always had so much area to roam and graze.
Educational_Way3900@reddit
If the horses are driving around the island, are they not too special to be eaten? Just a thought
fartingbeagle@reddit
Exactly, I was wondering how they got their licenses!
Faithful_jewel@reddit
They ponied up to bribe the examiner
pensivebunny@reddit
Yeah, I went with a work group to Italy and every male in the group ordered the pizza with horse meat on it. Only exception was the vegan.
Ok-Humor-5672@reddit
I had horse sashimi in Japan. Was fine.
decidedlyindecisive@reddit
I've had it in France. It was nice.
i_like_dannys_hair@reddit
If you have it with cheese it’s great. Ideally marscarpone.
doob7602@reddit
Yep, it hides the taste
__Severus__Snape__@reddit
I mean, we were unknowingly eating it in the uk for a while, so... 🤷♀️
Beginning_Ant8580@reddit
Wrong.
tannercolin@reddit
I've had horse burgers in France more than once
thermal650@reddit
Horse is a delicacy in Italy
Gundarium_Alchemist@reddit
No, you.
NebCrushrr@reddit
I've had it a French restaurant in London. The poor man's beef, bit gamier, I'd eat it regularly.
AthleteIntelligent72@reddit
We should be eating horse meat anyway. Horses are large herbivores (similar in size to a cow) and horsemeat is quite nice. I'd have no problem buying horsemeat from shops/butchers as long as it's labelled as such.
darktourist92@reddit
I’d have no issue eating horse tbh, it isn’t some sort of gotcha.
glp1992@reddit
horse is delicious, had it on the bbq in france on holiday.
NoisyGog@reddit
Eating year-old meat is probably problematic, I’d think?
Moppo_@reddit
Depends. Some meat is aged for years, like those Spanish pork legs.
eggs_and_ham_i_am@reddit
And rotten, 2 yeared buried, pissed on shark 🤢🤮
bill_end@reddit
They bury a shark then piss on it? Not disputing, just genuinely interested
eggs_and_ham_i_am@reddit
Look up Hákarl
bill_end@reddit
Sounds rather unpleasant, but it's not been pissed on. Are you perhaps thinking of the inherent urea in the shark that it's fermented in?
eggs_and_ham_i_am@reddit
They don't really do the piss on part so much anymore. Although apparently they still do in the more remote villages. It used to be done that way to sterilise it before burying it.
We were in Iceland last year and were told all about it. I tried some of the non urinated fermented shark. It was absolutely disgusting and I swear I can still taste it to this day.
Affectionate-Day8307@reddit
And the horses are older than animals used for meat production. Mmm prions.
No_Group5174@reddit
Sure. I mean I hope they freeze it in the meantime, but horse meat is fine eating.
Not that long ago I went to a restaurant in Switzerland and horsemeat was on the menu. So if course I had some.
Dando_Calrisian@reddit
They should move each injured horse right to the grandstand and destroy it in public view with live TV coverage.
NarrowOwl4151@reddit
This. I can't believe that allegedly huge numbers of young people are now going because of some stupid Tik Tok thing.
optio_____espacio___@reddit
Sounds delicious
BigR3dng2@reddit
Just go to Tesco..
irish_horse_thief@reddit
Maybe you're over thinking this. Do you imagine everyone who goes to the Horse Races have no empathy with those magnificent animals ?
Should people who attend the Olympics communally dine on the athletes that have died in the previous twelve months ?
No. Not at all.
boycott_all_rats@reddit
I'm from Aus the Melbourne cup is bad enough and it has no jumps learning that the UK's national has jumps and that 2 die each year is fucking tragic. To go and watch a death sport is putrid.
Frequent-Contact-645@reddit
2 dying isn't some sort of quota, its not like the first 34 finish and the last two get a trap door opened
boycott_all_rats@reddit
It's the average each year.
Essentially making it a death race.
If humans ran a race where two died each year do you think you'd still enjoy it as much? Maybe more hey mate?
spectator_mail_boy@reddit
You never heard of the TT then.
boycott_all_rats@reddit
Last time I checked the bikes weren't sentient my guy
spectator_mail_boy@reddit
... it's people that die... not bikes... well they might be scrapped.
boycott_all_rats@reddit
You see how you explain your analogy shows everyone that it doesn't fit here.......
Ok_Shirt983@reddit
"If humans ran a race where two died each year do you think you'd still enjoy it as much? Maybe more hey mate?" How does the Manx TT not fit this?
boycott_all_rats@reddit
The bikes don't feel pain.......
Ok_Shirt983@reddit
You asked for a race where two humans die each year, two humans die racing the TT each year.
boycott_all_rats@reddit
Fair I'll play.
I asked that aspect to gauge if you like watching people die?
Do you?
I won't be watching.
Sorry I got stuck on the bikes vs horses. As I'm pretty annoyed that everyone here would rather talk about literally anything other than these dead animals.
Ok_Shirt983@reddit
People enjoy watching the Manx TT the same way people enjoy watching the grand national, i.e. they not to watching to see people or horses die, but it does happen. There is an argument to say some people enjoy watching violence and death though, yes. Look at the popularity of Boxing, UFC, MMA etc.
boycott_all_rats@reddit
All of you love pointing at an error in my argument but not one answered my question.
Do YOU enjoy watching it?
Ok_Shirt983@reddit
The national? Yep. Regarding the original question posted, I also enjoy eating horse meat.
boycott_all_rats@reddit
So fuck other life other than your own?
Cool.
Ok_Shirt983@reddit
I am meat eater, I'd imagine that the very small proportion of horses that die in the national have a better and more enjoyable life than the millions of animals killed every day to be eaten in the UK, so if I was going to start worrying about things I do having an impact on animal welfare I'd probably start with my diet.
boycott_all_rats@reddit
We don't race cows for sport.
Ok_Shirt983@reddit
Speak for yourself!
Frequent-Contact-645@reddit
How long did last in r/bullfighting before you got banned
boycott_all_rats@reddit
Bro why would I go argue with people that find that shit acceptable?
Would you go argue with people rolling in shit
Frequent-Contact-645@reddit
Im arguing with someone who spent 2 hours saying motorbike riders were less important than horses so you can do your own maths there
boycott_all_rats@reddit
Mate nobody said that.
Grow up. The rider can consent. Absolutely tragic that they die but they chose to ride.
The horse..... I'm not even going to type it bro. Figure it the fuck out.
Opposite_Ice_1398@reddit
Pretty sure the people riding them are my guy
boycott_all_rats@reddit
And I'm glad you can tell the difference mate...
The human being chose to get on the bike the bike didn't care if the driver kills the bike nobody cares because the bike was never alive........
You need pictures or something
Opposite_Ice_1398@reddit
Change the goal posts if you want the commentators point above in response was still valid to what you said...
boycott_all_rats@reddit
The goal posts haven't changed.
I asked to see if you care if it was humans apparently some of you don't...
Am I shocked? No. Ashamed? Yes.
Frequent-Contact-645@reddit
The grand national has had 89 horse deaths in 177, what are you talking about
boycott_all_rats@reddit
The average comes from the entire three day event.
michaelisnotginger@reddit
what an idea.
PopeLeo14th@reddit
2 deaths a year is TINY.
boycott_all_rats@reddit
From one day of racing.....
Come on mate. Be better.
PopeLeo14th@reddit
PER YEAR.
Active_Hawk_9897@reddit
Sacrifice yourself as one of the two then mate. Do your bit for the entertainment of the people
PopeLeo14th@reddit
You believe human life is equal to that of a horses?
boycott_all_rats@reddit
You believe animal life should be sacrificed for entertainment?
PopeLeo14th@reddit
If its just two per year, and it adds a decent amount to our economy, hell yeah 👍
Active_Hawk_9897@reddit
You can justify just about any cruelty with that argument.
At what point does economic value or entertainment value stop justifying a death?
PopeLeo14th@reddit
Any Human life for one. a Animal wise depends on the animal and the amount dying.
Active_Hawk_9897@reddit
Which animals shouldn't be killed for entertainment?
boycott_all_rats@reddit
Pretty much
Active_Hawk_9897@reddit
I believe that the optimal ethical position is to reduce unnecessary suffering.
My point was that it can be too easy to overlook the suffering others; only two sentient beings wiped from existence per year!
If the commenter was that sentient being, removed from existence, it would be harder to be so flippant about the loss of a life.
spectator_mail_boy@reddit
Don't think he's a horse. Might be wrong.
Active_Hawk_9897@reddit
My point remains whether the poster is horse or boy.
boycott_all_rats@reddit
On one single day.....
Go on say it again
PsychologicalDrone@reddit
The most ethical thing to do would be to not race them to the point of irreparable injury. Or better yet, just don’t race them at all
First-Lengthiness-16@reddit
Less fun though.
Can’t have a gamble on horses that aren’t racing.
bill_end@reddit
Could invent a new sport that's more ethical. Like get a load of boy horses and put them in a field. Then release a really sexy girl horse into the far corner, then place bets in whichever of boy horses ambles over and porks her first.
Wait for me, dragons den, I've got a great business idea
Alone_Consideration6@reddit
They wouldn’t be born otherwise.
Alarming_Doughnut365@reddit
There's nothing logical about a society's views on meat eating. Our ethical stance as a country is cognitive dissonance, an animal loving nation with our head in the sand.
Why do we not eat horse? Why do we eat pigs? They are more intelligent than dogs, as if intelligence matters, don't need intelligence to suffer greatly. Some animals are thrown into huge grinders at birth before they even have a chance: male chicks. Nothing about animal agriculture at the price Brits demand is ethical, logical, environmentally friendly or appetising.
The only logical and compassionate choice is to not eat (or exploit: horse racing, fox hunting, dog racing etc.) animals at all. If we can get all the nutrition we need without them (which we can in this country) then we should.
randomentity12@reddit
Last years? Hell no,, fresh meat that was galloping mere hours ago and was probably fed with high class feed worthy of a race horse? Yeah that sounds quite tasty actually.
Morazma@reddit
So many people get angry about these horses dying unnecessarily but then continue to eat animals and animal products every day without a second thought.
It's easy and healthy to live on a plant-based diet nowadays but people choose not to because they enjoy eating meat, dairy, eggs etc.
Fine, that's your choice, right?
But it also shows that we're prioritising our enjoyment over the lives of these animals, which is exactly what we're complaining about in the Grand National.
LloydCole@reddit
90% of people are against fox hunting, but 90% of people eat meat. Make it make sense.
Bufobufolover24@reddit
To be fair, there is a difference between farming an animal for the purpose of meat, and chasing a wild animal for sometimes hours, until it becomes exhausted and can’t run so is shredded alive by a pack of dogs, all just for human entertainment.
(I am anti fox hunting and I don’t eat animal products as I strongly disagree with the conditions in which they live and die)
LloydCole@reddit
Meh, one is recreational pleasure, one is culinary pleasure, both involve the torture of animals, I don't see why we should make a distinction tbh.
AussieManc@reddit
Pretty wild to place the torture of a hunted fox on the same level as the torture of a farmed and slaughtered animal
Bufobufolover24@reddit
I agree. I was simply pointing out that one at least has a nutritional benefit (though most of us don’t need it at all), the other is purely for entertainment.
PlasterCactus@reddit
Fox hunters would argue they get a social benefit and it's good exercise. It's cognitive dissonance.
Bufobufolover24@reddit
I’m not agreeing with it. Just stating that it is slightly different. I don’t have enough words to state how much I hate fox hunters, I have witnessed fox hunts myself.
LloydCole@reddit
Nobody is eating KFC for the nutrition.
JeffSergeant@reddit
Fox tastes terrible
boredsittingonthebus@reddit
Unless you're the Gruffalo
JeffSergeant@reddit
Exactly, you either support killing animals for our enjoyment, or you don't.
acky1@reddit
I think people have to have a rationale as to where they draw the line that makes sense and isn't arbitrary. For example, if it's due to intelligence then it wouldn't make sense to eat pork products but not dog products.
I don't think it's coincidence that people's "line" ends exactly where it is acceptable in their society. Indians don't eat cows. French people eat horse. Chinese people will eat octopus. Etc. etc.
I think people are using post hoc rationalisation as to where their line is and it isn't actually based on any thought or reasoning. They've already arrived at where they wanted to.
Ok_Schedule8095@reddit
I think there is more than the binary. But for me the amount of outrage a couple of horses getting shot gets while people happily eat meat shows a big disconnect.
Numerous-Abrocoma-50@reddit
A lot of these animals are bred to be food though. If they werent then they never would have a life. This assumes they have a life worth living of course, I would always try and buy free range where possible.
Not sure where I stand on the national. I dont watch it. But again pretty sure the horses are bred to be racers and to my understanding have a very good life and are treated like royalty.
Morazma@reddit
Following this same logic, parents should be able to do whatever they want to their children, because their child wouldn't have life without them.
It's not. Studies have shown that these animals are better off never having existed in the first place, because their life is suffering.
Buying "free range" doesn't solve this.
Active_Hawk_9897@reddit
We need to teach ethics in school.
Illustrious-Air-7777@reddit
And thuthics.
Slonshal@reddit
What about wethics ?
Omeragic99@reddit
What you eat isn't purely about pleasure in the same way a spectator sport is, and it isn't easy for people to go vegan. There's nuances you're not considering.
Morazma@reddit
There are nuances to horseracing too.
SatisfactionLoud2683@reddit
You can apply this to anything. What I'm doing is fine, but what everyone else is doing is bad. See covid restrictions for a good example.
Safe-Professional556@reddit
I eat meat and am not complaining about horse racing.
incrediblepepsi@reddit
There are a lot of comments arguing that the horse meat scandal was about the chemicals/supplements the horse meat contained and the worries about the supply chain, and that's very much valid, but it would be remiss to say the entire british public were fine with eating an animal they'd class as a pet. We're just told some animals are pets and some are food, apply outrage accordingly.
Asher-D@reddit
Why is it a scandal to eat horse? I don't think there's any issue with anyone eating horse, unless they're being tricked into eating horse when they don't want to?
Mjukplister@reddit
Agree . We kill (painfully ) and eat pigs and cows . Dogs and cats are for some reason sacred . I find the British attitudes very confusing.
DaysyFields@reddit
No reason why not.
BenathonWrigley@reddit
We should also eat the bottom place Premier League team every season
weierstrab2pi@reddit
Why does Maguire, the largest player, not simply eat the other players?
hairlikebrianmay@reddit
He does and stores the fat in his head.
BenathonWrigley@reddit
Honestly, I’ve been asking myself the same thing.
Unsoftened_Reality@reddit
I'm not a big fan of foreign food.
False-Strawberry-319@reddit
He said bottom placed.
BenathonWrigley@reddit
Do you not think a Portuguese person would taste alright? A British person probably tastes like gruel and cabbage.
dmhrpr@reddit
Harry Maguire looks like he'd taste of pickled onion
Distant_Planet@reddit
Specifically, like pickled onion Monster Munch.
GourangaPlusPlus@reddit
Na, Portugal is eastern Europe is the West.
The Spanish, French and Italians though, absolutely.
hairlikebrianmay@reddit
Ate a bit of Gazza once. Tasted funny.
BenathonWrigley@reddit
The French would nice but too rich to be consumed in large quantities. All that pate.
Spanish and Italians though. Beautiful
asterallt@reddit
Maybe we could force feed them first to fatten up the livers.
bucket-chic@reddit
r/PortugalIsEastEurope
callmeeeow@reddit
"... all we ever get is gruuuel!"
GourangaPlusPlus@reddit
Wolves are a native species you're fine
nsfwthrowaway5969@reddit
Right now that's wolves, so at least somewhat doable if a bit unpleasant.
But the way it's going, by the end of the season it's going to be Burnley... Who the hell wants to eat Burnley!!!!?
I think the ethical thing to do is pick the team in 18th, they have a chicken on their badge so tbat will do.
Faithful_jewel@reddit
Problem is with Wolves is that they come battered and orange
... Wait, isn't that Wolves anyway?
jonsey_j@reddit
Well if Burnley black pudding is anything to go by then me. Double portions. Burnley players stuffed with black pudding and slown roasted. Mmmmmmmm
exile_10@reddit
Billy Connolly was way ahead of you...
https://youtu.be/8SB3-YR76TU
Alive_Ice7937@reddit
Relagurgitation?
zwifter11@reddit
You like eating wolves meat?
BenathonWrigley@reddit
I’m talking about the players
Evening-Web-3038@reddit
Bottom 3. I do fancy a spud this year...
SirJedKingsdown@reddit
Found Huitzilopochtli's Reddit account.
AmarilloMike@reddit
At least this year it's wolves, could be classed as edible.... Imagine some years we would have had to eat blades or hammers!
Insideout_Ink_Demon@reddit
I'd try horse meat, if I haven't already
asymmetricears@reddit
I think around the time of the Tesco horsemeat scandal it was mentioned that whilst horses can be eaten, there was one medicine that if the horse ever had it then they couldn't be food. I can't remember what the medicine was, or if it's something that's more likely to be given to thoroughbred racehorses.
ayeayefitlike@reddit
Yes, most racehorses will have been prescribed bute at some point - they’d be totally unsuitable to eat.
beppebz@reddit
Not just racehorses, probably a high majority of all (domestic) horses / ponies in the uk will have been given it at some point if they’ve been lame etc - it’s just a standard painkiller.
ayeayefitlike@reddit
Yes I know, but racehorses were the topic at hand :)
DefStillAlive@reddit
Ketamine?
dannyscun@reddit
Just say Neigh
Unsoftened_Reality@reddit
Bute is the big one...
monstera-attack@reddit
Bute (phenylbutazone), though risks are low to human health from this in meat, it’s banned from the UK food chain
asymmetricears@reddit
Yeah that was the one.
Martipar@reddit
Why would anyone want meat that's a year old?
Normal_Red_Sky@reddit
Exactly. I'd happily eat it fresh though.
flippertyflip@reddit
We have freezers
Experiment328095@reddit
You realise most meat you eat wasn’t slaughtered that day ya?
Martipar@reddit
I'm very aware but usually meat isn't a year old, at most it's a month old when fresh (depending on the animal) and a few months old when frozen. Animals like lamb are slaughtered and on shelves within two weeks. I can't find specific information on horse meat but venison is hung for a week or two and that's a similarly lean meat.
Experiment328095@reddit
A couple of months for horse meat - then you can deep freeze it
Martipar@reddit
I can't imagine anything worse than year old frozen meat. Frozen meat is bad enough but having it stored for that long, especially in a freezer that's regularly accessed, would be unpalatable.
Even with their blood replaced and flash frozen cryogenically frozen animals end up with cell damage from ice crystals. Meat is frozen nuts slowly than that and the ice crystals are larger. This is what gives frozen meat that distinctive "this is clearly not fresh" texture. In a regularly accessed freezer it will partially dehydrate due to "freezer burn" (which is actually just partial freeze drying) making it dry too.
Experiment328095@reddit
I mean, if meat is cured and sealed properly it will be edible when defrosted. Yes it’s not as good a fresh but the question was “who would want to eat year old meat?” it’s very possible to do so 🤷🏻♀️
Temporary_Ebb9486@reddit (OP)
Meat has to be hung for a period. We couldn’t butcher and dry the horses fast enough to serve to that years guests. And I think serving Goodwood Horse to Epsom guests and Epsom horse to Grand National guests would break the psychological connection to attending, betting, injuring, shooting and eating.
Martipar@reddit
Meat is indeed hung but a year is excessive and while multi year old beef exists horse is very lean. It might do well as a jerky bit even then a year is pushing it. It would be basically inedible.
shakey4321@reddit
Not sure if you’ve seen a horse before but they are certainly hung. There’s even a saying about it!
clrthrn@reddit
*lamb enters the chat*
Affectionate-Day8307@reddit
Horse jerky all round!
Fucking hell, sounds miserable.
OneDragonfly5613@reddit
Why didn't they not phrase it as this year's grand national
RetroRegretso@reddit
Prosciutto is usually old by time it gets to your gob. Loads of people love that.
Independent_Key_2142@reddit
That’s the real issue
Enough-Fee-For-Me@reddit
I've stopped watching it as too many horses die, but this is fucked up
melmboundanddown@reddit
I think anyone that owns a car should eat ragu made with the ground up cadavers of pedestrians that have been killed by cars. And don't get me started about people who own 5g phones and what they should be forced to do with children that die from cancer WWG1WGA
Ricky_Martins_Vagina@reddit
Why wait a year? If a horse dies during the event, get it straight on the BBQ there and then 👌🏻
ToshLyons68@reddit
Nay
Signal-Ad2674@reddit
A well reared horse is a delicacy in many countries. This is not a bad thing.
blissnabob@reddit
This is absolutely mental and I love it.
Zak_Ras@reddit
sconebore@reddit
Curious to know if there are a similar proportion of injuries in other equestrian sports like show jumping and dressage?
FiendyFiend@reddit
Very unusual in show jumping and dressage, it does happen occasionally in cross country but that’s extremely rare. Only about 0.1% of all horse races in the UK end in a horse’s death each year though, statistically it’s more dangerous to put a horse in the field than to race it or compete it.
TyrannosauraRegina@reddit
Fewer on-course deaths, but the majority certainly don't live to anywhere close to a horse lifespan of 30+. I saw one study which said the average horse bred as a high level competition horse lived to 7 years, but can't find the reference now.
FiendyFiend@reddit
That doesn’t sound correct, horses who compete at a high level are generally considered to be in their prime competition age at about 12.
CrimpsShootsandRuns@reddit
That seems insanely low. Are you sure that wasn't the average retirement age? Not saying you're wrong, just curious because if that is right, it's a tragedy.
Timely_Egg_6827@reddit
Cross-country and polo are rough on horses. Show jumps are designed to go down if horse hits though bad falls still possible. Cross-country jumps stay up.
Alive-Yak9875@reddit
Don't get greedy
IdioticMutterings@reddit
You say that as if eating horse meat is revolting.
Its not, its tastier than beef. Less fatty too. Its just that the UK sees horses as pets, so its taboo.
random-londoner@reddit
Just stick em into crispy pancakes
UKdudeLols@reddit
I just checked the best before date on mine
And they're off
imtheorangeycenter@reddit
Sod.the others, I proper laughed at that!
Dogstile@reddit
I haven't sighed this hard at a reddit comment in a while. Goddammit, i shouldn't have smiled
O_C_Demon@reddit
Nice
ScreamingDizzBuster@reddit
: the kind of desultory clap you only hear when the batsman walks miserably back to the pavilion after getting a duck :
UKdudeLols@reddit
🤣
Safe-Professional556@reddit
The crucial question is: must be then eat the duck?
shebasmum49@reddit
😆 you should put this in the dad jokes sub
Dazzling_Variety_883@reddit
I used to eat the Findus crispy pancakes so I've probably more than likely eaten horse!
eggs_and_ham_i_am@reddit
Was it lasagna that had it? For some reason it's Marks and Spencer's lasagna that I remember.
random-londoner@reddit
I imagine a lot of us have, did it harm us? Naaayyyyy
Professional_Golf393@reddit
Racing horse would be very tough meat though…
gofancyninjaworld@reddit
In principle, why not? However, the horses are frequenly unfit for human consumption owing to their drug treatment regimens (such as steroids frequently given to control bleeding from the lungs) that would normally require a wash out period before the animal could enter to food chain.
So, alas, no eating the losers. Poetic as it would have been.
ClimoCustomGuitars@reddit
For everyone saying "what about eating meat" and "fox hunting opposers eat meat - make it make sense!"
One, is a long standing nutritional thing that the world food supply and economy functions in and around. If you think you can overnight replace protein with supplements and soy beans without decimating entire societies, then you haven't even scratched the surface of how the supply chain works and how many people it employs. You also can't overnight change farmland for a Quorn factory.
The other(s), is the death of animals for entertainment and pleasure.
Removing horse racing and fox racing affects such a substantially small number of people economically, that I reckon you'd find more Right Wing Trans folks in Dorset than would be affected nationwide. The spectators would then just have to find one of a thousand other activities to fill their time.
Or bet on dogs instead.
r99c@reddit
Wouldn't want to. Had horse meat in Malta. Tasted similar to beef but very chewy.
WanderWomble@reddit
No.
Racehorses and horses in general are routinely given medications that make them unsafe for human consumption.
Eastern-Move549@reddit
The problem with horse meat is the antibiotics that are used on them. Something called 'bute' which is normal for horse but wildly carcinogenic to people.
dreadwitch@reddit
Attendees? What about the people that place bets? They fuel it just as much as anyone else.
FilmFanatic1066@reddit
Horse meat is surprisingly tasty if cooked right, had slow cooked marinated horse meat in Malta and it was banginf
tamshubbie@reddit
i think they might be a bit tough.... horse is tasty though. often served on the continent
jickiechin@reddit
i think a lot of people would be willing to eat horse tbh.
dommiichan@reddit
I've had horsemeat in Europe... tasty, just like any other meat
FecklessFarmer@reddit
I love animals but horse sushi is on another level.
NonagonJimfinity@reddit
Yes, in tears and at pike point.
Caddy666@reddit
like a tesco lasagne?
Old_Opportunity9494@reddit
hands up everyone who has ever eaten a Tesco Lasagne ?
llb_robith@reddit
You dramatically overestimate how many horses die in the Grand National
McCaff01@reddit
I had a horse steak while in Iceland and it was brilliant. Give me the horse meat
funkmachine7@reddit
Can they not eat this year's.
Limulus_Preservation@reddit
Are you aware of the substances those horses have injected into them? I wouldn't recommend eating any horse as they are not purpose bred for food, but rather for various jobs. The relevant point here is that since they aren't raised for food, many horses will have been given medicines, or performance enhancers, that make the meat unsafe for human consumption.
fastestman4704@reddit
There are race meets all year why are we waiting a year?
UmlautsAndRedPandas@reddit
I mean it would be less wasteful (as horrible as that might sound to some).
However I've tried horse burgers (Italy) and horse sashimi (Japan) before, and horse meat is just squishy, tasteless matter. So I reckon a lot of people purposefully trying it would be disappointed.
Also, no bloody wonder we couldn't taste it in our frozen food pre-news of scandal.
I_will_never_reply@reddit
IKEA meatballs haven't been the same since the took the horse out
Exemplar1968@reddit
Yes. Sorry but I don't agree with the racing & apologies to those that do.
SkeletorOnLSD@reddit
The issue with racehorses as meat is the medicines they are treated with. Because they aren't raised for food, some of the medicines used to treat them, mainly Bute, make the animal unsafe for human consumption.
UsedTinyPrincess@reddit
that’s a tough question honestly
360Saturn@reddit
Not sure why those things would be related. Or that people fine with using animals for sport would draw the line at eating animal meat.
Critical-Lettuce-503@reddit
I have no issue with eating horse but I'm not really into horse racing. If I attend, do I have to watch the racing or can I just eat my complimentary posho horsedog and dip out once I'm done?
GourangaPlusPlus@reddit
Volunteer to eat them for the poshos
Tao626@reddit
They're not all poshos.
Ar' Kev rented a suit and he's there with his bird.
danabrey@reddit
Very few of them are poshos. They're coked up weekend drinkers.
GourangaPlusPlus@reddit
Yea but the point is Kev would smash his hot dog.
He's not the target market for this esteemed service
IRedditOnMyPhone@reddit
That's no way to talk about his missus!
8lue8arry@reddit
If the meat were fit for consumption, I think it's quite likely the poshos would happily eat it as a status symbol.
Considering we're only talking a small handful of horses, supply would be limited and expensive. They would not want the commoners getting their hands on it.
GlitteringBryony@reddit
Thinking of how the meat from the bulls killed in the corrida is treated (ie, a festive treat, desirable both because of the novelty and the association with a grand tradition) I could see the racing horsedog becoming a feature on Atlas Obscura or Epicurious...
FredB123@reddit
Or just eat the poshest?
Distant_Planet@reddit
"Hey, Steve, what rhymes with poshos?"
deny_evaade@reddit
Betting on horses and free horse meat? I'm a sucker for a bargain.
Affectionate_Crow327@reddit
No.
If they were killed a year ago, even in the freezer, the meats surely gone a little iffy right?
It needs to be fresher. Give the meat to the next major event
AdPrestigious2387@reddit
Im in.
Slonshal@reddit
My answer would be neigh.
Rude-Possibility4682@reddit
Neigh!
endo55@reddit
Sounds similar conceptually to the Fisher Protocol to reduce the chance of spurious nuclear bomb launch. If punters knew they had to eat the dead horses would they attend?
"Fisher, who was a pilot during the Second World War, makes what he describes as a “quite simple” suggestion to reduce the chances of launching a nuclear attack: “Put that needed code number in a little capsule and then implant that capsule right next to the heart of a volunteer.” Like the rotation of military personnel who today trade off carrying the “nuclear football”—the briefcase that contains the nuclear launch codes—the person with the implanted capsule would be near the President constantly. In Fisher’s scenario, a Navy officer named George does the job. “The volunteer would carry with him a big, heavy butcher knife,” Fisher writes. “If ever the President wanted to fire nuclear weapons, the only way he could do so would be for him first, with his own hands, to kill one human being. The President says, ‘George, I’m sorry, but tens of millions must die.’ ” That there would be blood on the White House carpet is essential. “He has to look at someone and realize what death is—what an innocent death is.” The Fisher Protocol, as it was termed, makes vivid the reality that nuclear war, so often spoken of in the bloodless language of tactics and strategy, is unimaginably horrific" https://www.newyorker.com/science/elements/why-dont-we-take-nuclear-weapons-seriously#:~:text=Fisher%2C%20who%20was,is%20unimaginably%20horrific
txteva@reddit
And yet, I don't think that would remotely bother the current Tango president.
JinxThePetRock@reddit
He would never dirty his own hands.
txteva@reddit
Honestly, I think he'd enjoy it. Although it's likely more work than normal for him.
JinxThePetRock@reddit
You're not considering that many people would wish harm upon the horses just so they could Instagram their Becher's Brook Burger before tucking in.
microwavedpeep1@reddit
I would, horse is tasty.
purrfectly-cromulent@reddit
Aside from practicalities, ethics, and consumer preference, (ex)racers are highly likely to have been treated with any number of medications, most of which have a six month withdrawal period. Essentially, the animal cannot be slaughtered for meat within six months of the treatment.
A notable exception is phenylbutazone; horses who have been given bute can currently never enter the food chain.
Temporary_Ebb9486@reddit (OP)
So in a Zombie apocalypse, what person should I avoid (don’t respond with anything bigoted) - I imagine chemotherapy would be poisonous ? So no one with cancer
purrfectly-cromulent@reddit
An interesting consideration!
Generally, prion disease might be the biggest concern about eating human flesh (see in particular: kuru.
I don't know much about drug metabolism (I'm learning!), and I can't devote the time for a deep dive (sadly) but I can't imagine that phenylbutazone remains in tissue for a lifetime. I would guess that safety in humans after eating treated animals hasn't particularly been studied and doesn't form part of the drug licence?
I think that legislation related to animals in the human food-chain would be a better start in identifying what the zombies should refrain from eating if they wish to unlive for many more zombie days.
Adventurous_Ad3451@reddit
‘I don’t mind a bit of horse….’ Don’t come at me. It’s a quote from a film that starred Michael Palin and a pig.
5ubredhit@reddit
Yes, horse is lovely. Very popular in Italy and other parts of Europe as well.
Frosty_Customer_9243@reddit
Most of those horses will have had some sort of medication that takes them out of contention for the human food chain.
Miserable-Rub-4053@reddit
I don’t know that last year’s horse meat would last that long…?
S_mawds@reddit
Them Tesco horse meat burger where the best
OddPerspective9833@reddit
Sounds delicious, but the meat wouldn't keep for a full year
Temporary_Ebb9486@reddit (OP)
Freeze and/or preserve (salt etc) like a leg of Serrano ham
Spirited_Ordinary_24@reddit
I mean if you’re talking ethics - forcing someone to eat year old horse meat, is not the one, but maybe a culling station and a barbecue after party could work.
NecroVelcro@reddit
A lot of the scum who support horseracing would find that hugely entertaining. The reaction would be very different were the slaughter halal.
Springyardzon@reddit
There is no correlation between whether a animal is used for sport and whether anyone should ever want to eat it.
SmurfBiscuits@reddit
Six foot drumstick? Yes please.
Odd-Swing-2025@reddit
Yes, they should not waste meat.
secretlondon@reddit
Grand National horses are probably given things (medicine etc) that shouldn’t be in the food chain
Psycho_Splodge@reddit
Will it keep that long? Doesn't Tesco have dibs?
Key_Produce2617@reddit
I watched it at home, can they post it out? I’d happily eat it.
Hulbg1@reddit
Horse meat is delicious wouldn’t care less about eating it.
monstera-attack@reddit
Lmao, no, partly because the horses may often be destroyed by lethal injection nowadays, which isn’t exactly what you want to be eating in meat. Additionally there are other various medications and substances fed safely to horses that may be of harm to human health if consumed.
Veenkoira00@reddit
Of course all carcasses (be they bovine, porcine or other) must be checked and inspected and not accepted to the human food chain if they are not fit for consumption by us – that does not depend on the species.
AhoyWilliam@reddit
You say I "of course", but I argue that the punters must content themselves with eating whatever chemical soup the horses are given to make them run better for their entertainment. High steaks gambling.
mattay22@reddit
Speak for yourself
nopeitsadog@reddit
Yes, I do love horse.
Omniwastrel@reddit
horse is just cow with a long neck and people love to show off their ribeyes and whatnot as soon as theres a barbie out
Robocop-1987@reddit
Had a horse meat topped pizza in Italy, and it was bloody lovely, so I’d very much be up for this!
pruaga@reddit
All the entry tickets should go into a raffle and the 'winners' have to go out on the course with a bolt gun and do it themselves. Sure some weirdos would jump at the chance, but I bet it would put a lot of people off.
Occamsfacecloth@reddit
Great idea
KnewKnuke@reddit
Yeh, id have no issue eating horse? Why would others?
Active_Doubt_2393@reddit
I think they should put it the horses being put down on big screens for everyone to see, not hide it behind a curtain. They should also put down the jockeys and owners.
Dazzling_Variety_883@reddit
Probably the grand national should be banned. Its cruel. I wouldn't want a horse of mine doing it. Not that I've got a horse.
eveniwontremember@reddit
Since the field has been reduced, the fences made smaller and softer in construction, I think you can argue that the grand national is not more cruel than other horseraces. 4 Horses died at Cheltenham this year and the 2 that were put down at Aintree were going over the normal fences.
Timely_Egg_6827@reddit
Problem with that is the race has got faster as the fences got smaller. The distance is a big ask esp when you consider how thoroughbreeds have changed over the years. Less bone, abnormally large hearts, less staying power.
eveniwontremember@reddit
Because the race has got safer the quality of the horses entered has improved and the ability to get your point to point horses in and ride it as a amateur is much less. I admit it is hazardous to horses all horse racing is, I don't think it stands out anymore.
There is an argument to ban all horse racing, or all jump racing, but not a good argument to single out the Grand National and leave the other races alone.
Timely_Egg_6827@reddit
Totally agree on that and also jump racers tend to be older when they start. Grand National just gets the attention as media concentrate on it.
Dazzling_Variety_883@reddit
It depends what you call normal fences!
TopicalStormCloud@reddit
Is it a free meal? What condiments are available?
Darkgreenbirdofprey@reddit
I might start cheering them as they fall if I'm peckish enough.
Lessarocks@reddit
I’d be happy to. I’ve eaten horse before, many decades ago in France, and enjoyed it. But I grew up in the Scottish countryside surrounded by farms and spent a lot of time in them growing up so I’ve always been fully aware of where my food comes from.
bsnimunf@reddit
Id give it a try. How much would it cost though because there's a limit I'm willing to pay. Also I dont like horse racing so would I have to pay for tickets for that side of things .
No_Effective_4481@reddit
how does eating the horse help prove anything?
Turbulent-Physics-77@reddit
The state of some of the burgers there I expect we probably did
WolfColaCo2020@reddit
I would 100% support the broadcast having to show the horse being put down. None of this putting a screen up and cutting cameras away with commentary focusing on only the jockey being ok. You paid for and/ or chose to watch this sport, own the realities of it.
Longjumping_Bat_5178@reddit
You just made me interested in horse racing
Trodinho@reddit
You're making me hungry 😋
Heathy94@reddit
I'm torn between this debate because unlike some people, who are extremely one way or the other, I can see it objectively from both sides.
Yes, I feel bad for the horses and hate them being killed or injured, it puts me off gambling on them and supporting it.
But these horses likely wouldn't exist to begin with if it wasn't for racing, they are bred to be raced and they are mostly well looked after and treated to the best care because they are worth so much to their rich owners.
I think the best solution would be to lower the jumps and/or the number of jumps and horses in the race. A lot of the injuries are result of the jumps and because theres so many horses jumping so close together at once.
To be honest it's not so much dissimilar to people having their cats and dogs put down due to injuries. How many cats and dogs have been critically injured by cars and have to be put down, do we then say we must ban cars? There has to be a balanced middle ground like everything in life, too much of anything is never good.
Old-Law-7395@reddit
Maybe in some kind of lasagna?
AnonymousTimewaster@reddit
Can we please stop saying "destroyed" when we're talking about killing animals?
EntirelyRandom1590@reddit
I would like anyone that supports horse racing or owns a horse to be banned from using the phrase "prime agricultural land" in any discussion about solar farms.
Roughly 1,000,000 acres go to horse grazing and feed in the UK. They are pets.
PopeLeo14th@reddit
Pets that support a 5 billion industry
EntirelyRandom1590@reddit
Is that more important than food security and energy security?
PopeLeo14th@reddit
Thst 5 billiob is taxed - So do you?
EntirelyRandom1590@reddit
Is it? Horse feed isn't taxed...
Food and energy is also taxed. So yes, I consider them more important.
PopeLeo14th@reddit
But every other aspect IS taxed.
EntirelyRandom1590@reddit
As is agriculture and energy.
EntirelyRandom1590@reddit
And Golf is worth a similar amount, but uses 30-50% of the land...
PopeLeo14th@reddit
Isn't animal welfare important?
EntirelyRandom1590@reddit
I'm not suggesting we reduce the land used per head of horse population.
I'm suggesting we reduce the horse population.
PutTheKettleOff@reddit
For anyone else who hasn't got a clue if 1,000,000 acres is a a lot - it's a square with 40 mile long sides.
hairlikebrianmay@reddit
How many sizes of Waleses or football pitches is that?
PutTheKettleOff@reddit
It's about 8,000,000 Whales.
Assuming you skinned them and stretched them out flat.
I trust that this answers your question.
G-reeper66@reddit
Frikadella in Germany and Holland are regularly made with horsemeat, bloody lovely too, nice frites sauce and a few frites.
budgiebirdman@reddit
Horse is tastier than cow. Having to go to France for it is a pain, so yeah, I'm up for it.
solobaggins@reddit
We should just ban everything until no human on earth has hurt feelings
Fantastic-Dingo-5806@reddit
We'll all just do what we were born to do. Wake up, shit, piss, eat, go to work, have all our taxes taken away and given to some useless scroungers, then go home, eat, bed.
Everything is banned, as ultimately someone somewhere was offended by it.
ambadawn@reddit
Go to the Netherlands and you can eat horsemeat year round.
It's pretty good.
Fantastic-Dingo-5806@reddit
Sad lot on Reddit. Constant posts about this, get a job
Altruistic_Coat9591@reddit
Such an inhuman quotation, no one can physically destroy a living being before disposal
MattHatter1337@reddit
After a year it might be a bit.....gamey.
Mas-Vri@reddit
I don’t imagine most people would have an issue eating horse meat, why would they?
Formal_Evidence_4094@reddit
Horse meat is pretty tough and stringy on account of the higher muscle mass , would not recommend it
AJMurphy_1986@reddit
Ahhh
Horse racing, gambling, drinking, smoking and meat eating.
Where "working class" reddit outs themselves as completely out of touch with the actual working class
FUCKFASCISTSCUM@reddit
'the working class' isn't a monolith of drunken smelly gamblers, that's way more out of touch lol.
AJMurphy_1986@reddit
There you are
michaelisnotginger@reddit
This would become an influencer event so quickly. You'd probably incentivise demand for more shocking horse deaths
KeremyJyles@reddit
If you think this would shock the nation, I think you'd be the one shocked. There'd be more people falling over each other to do it than the meat could reasonably feed.
Sad_Restaurant_5276@reddit
Simple solution if the horse has to be shot do the same to the jockey. They woukldn't be so reckless if their lives were on the line.
Quarkly95@reddit
Eat any jockey and the team of a horse that gets injured.
Also cancel the Grand National.
spaceshipcommander@reddit
I do believe that wasting food is unaccountable and killing something and not eating it is a huge shame.
Whether it gets turned into dog food or burgers, I don't really care.
Forcing people to eat something they don't want to eat is not going to happen, but give them the choice.
I don't have a moral issue with eating horse, I just wouldn't eat race horse meat because it will be incredibly lean and tough. I'd feed it to my dog though.
AvatarIII@reddit
I think there should be massive fines for horses getting injured while racing.
CompetitionNo3466@reddit
I think those who go to the races aren’t there an ethics lesson.
They’re only their to dress smart, gamble and drink
n0p_sled@reddit
... and do lots of coke, while dressed as a Peaky Blinder
Experiment328095@reddit
That actually sounds like a decent day, if the horse racing was taken out of the equation I’d be there with bells on 😉
Public-Magician535@reddit
Don’t know, if your dog gets put down can we stick him in a curry?
Experiment328095@reddit
Tbh carnivores tend to taste awful, herbivores are delicious
OrganicPoet1823@reddit
In China the dog they eat is called chow chow 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
El_Zilcho@reddit
I would eat horse meat, however having it from a year ago would be different as it would have spoiled, if it was meat from the Cheltenham festival I would eat it.
Exact-Put-6961@reddit
Racehorses cannot be eaten according to UK rules, because of medications they may have beem given
Temporary_Ebb9486@reddit (OP)
Which political party is most likely to take this up ?
Same_Seaworthiness74@reddit
What does this question even mean? Take what up? And what do political parties have to do with it?
They're just pointing out that we can't eat race horses in the UK due to medications they're given.
Temporary_Ebb9486@reddit (OP)
Getting medications out of race horsing meat
Experiment328095@reddit
Well they can’t because they run them ragged from such a young age the horses would be too wrecked to run without the constant medications.
The whole thing just needs to be banned, it’s no better than dog fighting
Lenniel@reddit
Not here to argue the ethics of horse racing, however the issue would be that horses aren’t bred for meat so aren’t subject to rules around “what goes in” as it were. So they’re “not fit for human consumption”.
If we “farmed” horses for meat there would be tighter controls around drugs and supplements used, how they are slaughtered etc.
I would also assume that horses aren’t bred probably inefficient food sources as it were, they take a lot to feed and we haven’t bred them for meat like we have cows, so they take too long to mature to be cost effective.
Horses for meat would probably look a lot different to the horses you’re used to seeing now. You only have to look at the difference between dairy and beef cows, and how they looked in paintings (which I know aren’t accurate) to See how we have altered them to suit our needs.
Temporary_Ebb9486@reddit (OP)
Maybe, we should only race farmed horses?
Lenniel@reddit
Be a lot slower…
Jumpy-Jello-@reddit
Or we could just not abuse them at all?
Timoth_Hutchinson@reddit
Should murders be forced to eat the body of their victims?
No-Garage-7424@reddit
Year old meat? No thanks.
Temporary_Ebb9486@reddit (OP)
We could freeze it ? Or preserve it some way ?
No-Garage-7424@reddit
I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think freezing meat lasts a year. Maybe if it's cooked and canned. I've knowingly eaten horse meat sausages in Germany back in the 80's, it was very nice, I'd describe it as a gamey beef. I'd 100% buy it today if it was available in the UK supermarkets.
bowen7477@reddit
This sub is full of neighers.
OrganicPoet1823@reddit
Horse is really quite tasty, like a lean beef. Ate it on holiday and would happily eat again, only issue I have with this proposal is not sure it’s quite so good a year later!
A_Cat_Typingg@reddit
No, because horse tastes great. You'll just give people the appetite for more.
ConsciouslyIncomplet@reddit
Horse is a perfectly legitimate meat for human consumption and is eaten in many other countries. It’s only because the UK public have a perception that it is ‘not acceptable’ that it is not found in UK supermarkets.
8lue8arry@reddit
Honestly, if we did this I don't think it would play out like you're imagining.
Rather than the punters being unwilling to eat the horse meat, it's far more likely that the people who constantly cry about horse racing would be even more furious than usual and condemn it as horrific.
I've no idea if a horse bred for racing would even be any good for eating. What I do know is the supply would be limited and would probably sell for a hefty sum.
GeekHabits@reddit
Save the meat to serve as canapés the next year, inform attendees afterwards.
JalasKelm@reddit
It'll just become part of a new tradition, people will talk about how they're looking forward to seeing what the chefs done with horse this year.
terryjuicelawson@reddit
They are put down after a catastophic injury, so not suitable for consumption. May as well say that dogs that break their backs be eaten by their owners if they have them put to sleep tbh.
VelvetDreamers@reddit
I’ve eaten horse before in China. It’s quite palatable! It’s more ethical to consume the horse after it’s been slaughtered for barbaric entertainment.
If it’s fresh, the adrenaline of the race renders the meat quite pungent so it’d be an acquired taste.
LowarnFox@reddit
Many of the horses will have taken "Bute" in their lives (which is a painkiller for horses, a bit like us taking ibuprofen). Horses who've taken Bute are automatically signed out of the food chain.
So no, they shouldn't be eaten because it could be genuinely harmful to health.
There should be a levy on betting and ticket prices which goes towards the welfare costs of the 100s of thoroughbreds which fail out of the racing industry each year, and go on to uncertain futures outside of racing. In my opinion, that's the real welfare scandal in horse racing, not just the deaths at the racetrack.
yearsofpractice@reddit
That’s my secret - I already do this
Think I’m lying? Tell me this then, Shergar - when was the last time you saw the corpse of a racehorse?!
Checkmate REDRUM, checkmate
Timely_Egg_6827@reddit
No because to be edible, the horse can't have had bute which is one of the main equine drugs for pain relief. Performative virtue gestures shouldn't be at the expense of the animals it is pretending to care about.
IHazUZERNAME@reddit
I made a post about this on Facebook and got loads of abuse. Said we should run it concurrently with the burger championships and mince the horses into patties as they fall. Call it WHIP em and FLIP em
Blind_Warthog@reddit
I saw a really powerful anti horse racing ad this week. Just a pic of a horse with the words “you bet, they die”. Thought it really hit the mark. Most race punters seem very disconnected from the grim nature of the sport (and any animal sport for that matter). Every year there are deaths, cruelty and treatment scandals but people turn a blind eye because they like to “have a flutter” on the national. I think much more of noise needs to be made and people need to be more aware of the issues.
Antique_Client_5643@reddit
No, it'd be a silly publicity stunt and probably really unhealthy because of whatever crap they put in those horses to make them run faster.
chambo143@reddit
They should eat the losing jockeys as well
YoungGazz@reddit
Caution, may contain small bones.
bizzflay@reddit
You can’t eat when you’re on cocaine.
Obvious-Water569@reddit
What the fuck?
Dazz316@reddit
My main issue is why did we freeze and serve the meat a year later?
Can't we eat it when it's fresh?
Trace6x@reddit
What the fuck?
Sad_Cardiologist5388@reddit
I'd love a go at a horse burger or steak. Not sure if I'd trust a racehorse though, its have this idea they're full of drugs and nasties
h00dman@reddit
Kilukpuk@reddit
Horses don't actually taste all that nice tbh. In the UK it's only worth trying as a novelty. Not worth it as a regular thing.
Classic_Mammoth_9379@reddit
I don’t think you want year old / frozen horse meat, can we not turn this around a bit quicker, make it a post race event or something?
LittleSadRufus@reddit
The internet sensation would likely result in an inverted "horse meat scandal" in which the premier horse burgers are being padded out with farmed beef smuggled in through the back.
lalalaloo21@reddit
Just the owners for exploiting them, and all in one sitting
Rekyht@reddit
Good god Reddit is fucking boring on this.
eggard_stark@reddit
I mean horse meat is pretty good. Why limit it to the attendees only? If there is excess let it be sold.
Honest-Cover9513@reddit
Its an interesting idea!
Stralau@reddit
I think we should go further. There has not been a year since the war since British Servicemen have not died in the service of their country...
\s obviously
Cheap-Rate-8996@reddit
The idea that eating horse meat is something taboo is something that only really exists in English-speaking countries. In most of the rest of the world eating horse is fine.
whatdosnowmeneat@reddit
As a lifelong vegetarian, I'm always shocked at the outrage of meat eaters when they hear of other cultures eating horses and dogs.
spectator_mail_boy@reddit
Some animals are right to eat, others aren't. Simple as.
Cows - yes
Dogs - No
Monkeys - No
Sheep - Yes
Easy.
Lukaz0r@reddit
There was a debate about it on the radio a while ago and they were trying to argue the point that its also dangerous for the jockeys. Like obviously, but they have a choice, they know the dangers and they choose to do it. The horses, or any animals in sport, do not have a choice, they are forced to whether they want to or not.
But IMO the bigger picture is the problem this country has with gambling. Its everywhere, you watch a gameshow and its sponsored by gambling followed by more gambling ads. You can't listen to or watch sport without the focus being on betting, multiple adds, in play betting, on football shirts and hoardings etc. I enjoy listening to TalkSport but gambling is shoved down your throat at every opportunity.
ruffianrevolution@reddit
Ever enjoyed a pie?..
StruttyB@reddit
The fact is that in the UK if it wasn’t for horse racing and the gambling industry behind it you would scarcely see any horses at all apart from riding stables and such like on a local level and they would become a rarity, like the old shire horses used on farms and elsewhere.
Rumpunstiltskin@reddit
where do you see horses currently? I am willing to bet that the vast majority of horses in the UK are nothing to do with racing (local/by races aside)
firthy@reddit
u/Tesco has entered the chat
FluffyBunnyFlipFlops@reddit
It's not as easy as that. Animals have to be cleared for human consumption. Horses are treated with medicines that cannot be part of the human food chain. It's unlikely that a racehorse would be certified for human consumption.
Urgulon7@reddit
Yeah, there's definitely no natty horses at the grand national.
LovelyKestrel@reddit
No, they should just ride pantomime horses instead because humans are more resilient to injury. (Seriously, compared with more animals, humans are ridiculously good at recovering from serious injuries)
Plane-Physics2653@reddit
An untended human being?
Unsoftened_Reality@reddit
Ah you gone done and made me do it...
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pJXJ3mZ3hkA
Petcai@reddit
I do like horse, but it gives me the trots.
El_John_Nada@reddit
Well, that would be one way to get me into horseracing: horsemeat is absolutely delicious!
CosmicAlienFox@reddit
There would be issues with the quality of the meat, and whether it was safe for human consumption, after all of the potential various medications that may have been given to the horse.
ancapailldorcha@reddit
Maybe we should just ban this savagery instead.
JoneseyP98@reddit
No because that shows even less respect for the horses
Shadowmantha69@reddit
Wtf you are mental lol
nrsys@reddit
I would be happy eating horse - just never had an appropriate chance to try it.
At the same time, I am not sure I would want to eat racehorse - I would expect them to be a bit lean and tough given the lifestyle they led.
bluejackmovedagain@reddit
Race horses are treated with all sorts of medication that is not approved for use on animals intended to be eaten by humans, including phenylbutazone which can make humans fatally ill. In countries where horse meat is eaten by people or pets the veterinary standards for those horses are different to the standards for working horses.
That's the reason why the 2013 horse meat scandal was such a big public health concern. It was not just that people had unknowingly eaten horse meat, it was that there was a risk the horse meat was not safe for human consumption.
SatisfactionLoud2683@reddit
Lovely meat!
Tyruto@reddit
I'd eat horse
redunculuspanda@reddit
The house probably bute medication at some point, that means they can’t be used for human consumption.
Jonny_Entropy@reddit
I snuck in last year and got arrested for trying to eat one of the dead horses. You can't make it up!!!
Andries89@reddit
Horse meat is a delicatesse where I'm from so wouldn't mind chomping down on some
therealijc@reddit
Neigh!!
spannerintworks@reddit
For the same reason I am OK not being a vegetarian, I am OK with horseracing being a thing.
What I struggle with is the people that eat meat every single day, without a thought to it's impact or journey to the plate, but make objecting to the grand national a centerpiece of their personality for one weekend in April.
I absolutely get the reasons against horse-racing, I just happen to fall somewhat on the side of it being broadly no worse than many of the potentially problematic things the human race does for pleasure.
Prestigious_Emu6039@reddit
The blood and guts of the dead horses should be poured over the person that won the most money in the race.
clrthrn@reddit
Knowing how much tax free cash that potentially could be, I'll do a little dance in the blood and guts if needed.
Ecstatic-Low7929@reddit
Yes. Raw.
casusbelli16@reddit
Fuck no, there are hormones that are given to racehorses that should not be introduced into the human food chain. Cultures that eat horse meat do so without these in their food.
Master-Trick2850@reddit
You'd just complain about them eating horse if they started doing that
glasshomonculous@reddit
Nah they’ll have had Bute in their lifetime, almost guaranteed so no I would not eat racehorse meat.
irishcybercolab@reddit
Aren't there still horsemeat burgers served across different areas of Europe? It's not a first choice but if it's already in play, why not feed the hungry something which benefits them without wastage?
hairlikebrianmay@reddit
Put them on a baguette and you can eat it on the hoof.
Familiar-Woodpecker5@reddit
Depends how they are served, burgers?
oliviashrewtonbong@reddit
Yes we should eat horse and squirrel for that matter delicious
blamordeganis@reddit
Squirrel has a poor meat-to-bone ratio. Bit of a pain to eat.
GourangaPlusPlus@reddit
Lovely bit of horse
dingalinglans@reddit
Leave room for crimble crumble!
Aylez@reddit
God people like you are so miserable ffs haha
Temporary_Ebb9486@reddit (OP)
If we must race them, It seems a waste of good horse meat
Unsoftened_Reality@reddit
Racehorses are specifically excluded from entering the food chain now and in any case, unfortunately, it often no longer "good" horse meat due to the various medications/drugs that have been administered.
Temporary_Ebb9486@reddit (OP)
So this is the answer. The meat is spoiled from doping.
Bigallround@reddit
Miserable for not approving of animal cruelty for sport? Guess I am, too.
Kirky9R@reddit
Couldn't we eat some fresh horse meat rather than year old?
Unsoftened_Reality@reddit
Exactly. Just have a on-site butchers right there at the grandstand.
Joyride4Life@reddit
Sure, I have eaten horse. I’d bet it would be good in Rendang.
Alert_Cover_6148@reddit
Horse meat is gooooood 🤤
Infinite_Use_6214@reddit
I thought steroids and chems would be an issue, but assuming otherwise, they could be served as salami or other delicacies at next year’s cup.
There are quite a few good recipes for it.
Robsroom@reddit
Like a hog roast! Sounds like a fantastic idea. Could be high demand, might need higher jumps.
QuestNetworkFish@reddit
a modest proposal
Geezer-McGeezer@reddit
Horse burger, yum yum, why wait a year ? If they had an abbatoir and butcher on the racecourse you could have really fresh burgers.
MJLDat@reddit
Yay, horse BBQ!
MrDaveHedgehog@reddit
I’d happily tuck in. I’ve eaten horse before, it’s not the best meat in the world but perfectly edible.
Certain_Caregiver734@reddit
The fuck!?
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