In parliament, Polish MP calls Israel ‘new Third Reich,’ waves Israeli flag with swastika
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BabylonianWeeb@reddit
Note that it was done by a far right pro-Russian party who's their leader is known for denying holocaust and the MP did it on holocaust memorial day. I am very pro-Palestine but we shouldn't ally with fascist parties and movements, it only helps zionists since they could use "anti-semitic" card here.
handsoapdispenser@reddit
As much as anti-zionism and antisemitism are different things, they do frequently come from the same person.
TheUnicornRevolution@reddit
And also, even stranger and I think more frequent, pro-zionism and Antisemitism from the same person.
SwagDoctorSupreme@reddit
I would be much more supportive of the anti Israel movement if it was so polluted with and accepting of people I think have unacceptable and antisemitic views
cambeiu@reddit
Israel and Nazi Germany are not the same...but they do share a lot of common elements, including the practice of ethnic cleansing/genocide and and imperative to acquire more "living space" via force if necessary. I'd not be surprised if Israel eventually decides to adopt a "final solution to the Palestinian problem". They've already gone full "Warsaw Ghetto", on Gaza, so the precedent does exist. Talk about tragic historical ironies.
Ethno-states are a really bad idea.
BendicantMias@reddit
It's actually a common misunderstanding even on an individual level. For some reason there's this popular idea that if someone has suffered, that they'll come out of it more enlightened and compassionate.
Like NO. That isn't how psychology works. Trauma doesn't magically make you a better person, any more than comfort and privilege does. Hurt people hurt people, as the saying goes. Not always, but often enough.
Hell in Israels' case most of them haven't even suffered in any camps, their grandparents did. They just like to use it as a collective civilizational pass and excuse to be allowed to do whatever they want. Israel has even turned on the nations that support it whenever it suits them, such as when they stole nuclear secrets and material from the west for their (illegal) nuke program.
Also it's worth noting that a good chunk of Israels' support has nothing to do with what Nazi Germany did to the Jews. A lot of its official govt. support from the US is just cold geopolitics, using Israel as a forward base in the ME. But besides that, even on an individual level, say, the Rapture fanaticists among American evangelicals don't care what the Nazis did - they support Israel no matter what it does simply to fulfil their dumb End Times prophecy.
TheUnicornRevolution@reddit
A number of Israelis also won't have direct ancestors who died in WW2, as the settler colonial process started in the late 1800s.
Prominent Zionists in Palestine at the time weren't exactly excited about the refugees or survivors coming - called them "bad human material" and felt they were weak. They also called the West Asian and North African Jews the same. They did still want their "Jewish blood" enough to help them create the new, strong breed of Jew. (not my words, not my opinion, Zionism itself is actually informed by quite a few antisemitic tropes).
Oh, Zionists also broke the Jewish boycott of trade with Nazi Germany. There's so much to say that should be well known, but their Hasbara game is strong AF.
Anyway, super racist ideology on multiple fronts.
carbonatedjerks@reddit
Yes, your point reminds me of Art Spiegelman’s comic Maus that addresses this exact point. Great read.
TNT_GR@reddit
That is a true gem. Joe Sacco’s Palestine is also very good in that matter and related to the situation in ME.
Irr3sponsibl3@reddit
He continues to be good on this point. He’s collaborated recently on a Gaza comic
cambeiu@reddit
Link to the comic if anyone is interested,.
I-Here-555@reddit
You're correct, but two generations later, individual psychology is no longer relevant.
I have a grandparent who went through the camps, and it doesn't shape my thinking or psychology in any discernible way. Living in a place which normalizes or discourages certain behaviors/opinions is much more impactful.
BendicantMias@reddit
Yes, I said as much in my 3rd paragraph...
hussainhssn@reddit
Yeah so the only thing they are not doing is putting people in ovens and gas chambers, otherwise sounds pretty identical to Nazi Germany
Different-Bus8023@reddit
The reason for the gas chamber was just because it was getting too hard on the soldiers to kill them all.
(Part of the reason why neo nazis claim the holocaust didn't happen was that gas chambers would be inefficient and they could just shoot people).
Israel just bombs the whole thing flat just a button press and the remains are too mangled to even gather in a lot of cases. Easier than shooting,none of that gaining a conscious stuff genocidal armies worry about, though in most cases when it gets that far they don't worry as the indoctrination tends to have run deep enough.
ycnz@reddit
The Germans came up with the gas chambers in part because their soldiers were starting to struggle with the psychological impact of shooting so many people.
cambeiu@reddit
Yes, the death camps were the "humane" solution to spare the German soldiers.
ycnz@reddit
Thus far, the IDF have demonstrated remarkable resilience.
cambeiu@reddit
IDF Soldiers comprise over 80% of all suicide cases in Israel.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
This isn’t what you think it is. Israel has one of the lowest suicide rates in the world. There is no widespread suffering among soldiers ‘forced’ to murder babies.
BuzLightbeerOfBarCmd@reddit
So being part of a genocidal ethnostate is actually good for mental health?
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Terrifying, isn’t it?
BuzLightbeerOfBarCmd@reddit
Maybe the government from Starship Troopers had the right idea. Take it out on some aliens far away instead of each other.
AzracTheFirst@reddit
Genuine question. Is that percentage of active soldiers?
cambeiu@reddit
279 IDF soldiers attempted suicide since start of 2024, Knesset report finds
AzracTheFirst@reddit
Thank you!
WestcoastAlex@reddit
279 out of approximately 150,000 active soldiers is like 0.1%
1.5million americans attempt suicide a year which is like 0.3%
doesnt seem like IDF soldiers are 'struggling' much with their war crimes
processedwhaleoils@reddit
Good.
Occamsfacecloth@reddit
Good
ycnz@reddit
Israel has mandatory conscription.
Maybe_this_time_fr@reddit
Now that's a fun fact.
digital-didgeridoo@reddit
IDF soldiers take a break and go on vacation to South America
Banas_Hulk@reddit
They go to South Asia/South east Asia and start white only communities/ restaurants/ Cafes. I am not even joking. It happens in India, Sri Lanka, Philippines, Thailand. Everywhere these genocidal maniacs go en masse.
ycnz@reddit
They could hang out in Argentina with the German immigrants and exchange notes?
ThatHeckinFox@reddit
*That we know of.
WestcoastAlex@reddit
ovens are a trigger for israelis, they prefer incinerating Palestinians with 2000lb bombs and driving over them with tanks
Borealisss@reddit
Or *yet
If the brainwashing of their killers starts to fade or hits a wall that makes them start hesitating to murder people, then I can see Israel introducing gas chambers as the "humane" way to protect their own from the mental strain of murdering so many.
ThatHeckinFox@reddit
True enough. You can see a lot of Isrealis taking joy in the whole thing
zgeom@reddit
we don't know that yet. gas chambers were found mostly only after the war was over
neverfoundagirl@reddit
This time the bodies are buried in rubble and may never be found if redevelopment of Gaza moves forward
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Israel has been in control of those areas with large earthmoving equipment for months. The bodies are probably incinerated by how.
Virtual-Pension-991@reddit
Why bother wasting more money when you can just bury them straight.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
If they are found in mass graves it will look bad for Israel.
Virtual-Pension-991@reddit
Idk, I think mass graves would be the least of their concerns if they did lose their current foothold in Gaza or Southern Lebanon.
WestcoastAlex@reddit
lets hope
monkwrenv2@reddit
You think they care?
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
They care. Enough to keep sending bots to spout talks mg points, at least.
No_Introduction_3542@reddit
Don't forget the invasion of neighboring nations.
neatdude73@reddit
Well there's the fact that Israel is under constant threat of genocide. That's a much better reason than the nazis' justifications. Of course, both the nazis and idf are still basically looking for excuses to mass murder civilians.
cambeiu@reddit
Israel's overwhelming military superiority in the region has not been in doubt at least since 1973. The idea that they live under "constant threat of genocide" is a very hard sell to make.
SirStupidity@reddit
Hmmm what happened on the one day Israel failed militarily? Oh yeah 25-50% of a village's population was slaughtered by "freedom fighters". Does seem to reek of genocide to me buddy...
BendicantMias@reddit
I'd put Turkey well above Israel. It holds back for now while it's part of the western alliance. Which is held up by American hegemony, as they already have issues with Europe. If America falls back, Turkey won't be so tolerant.
And Turkey won't even be alone. The whole Arab world hates Israel, only held back by a bunch of sellout dictators and kings propped up, again, by America.
If American hegemony falls, probably after a war with China, Israel will soon find itself in a true 'forever war' that it cannot win. Not even with nukes.
Israel is already spending a tenth of its GDP on this war btw, and that's WITH extensive American support. That quite a bit more than Russia is, and only outpaced by Ukraine's spending. Their reservists are also valuable lost labor. And their shipping isn't blocked. They can't sustain a true forever war. They'll either bleed out to nothing, or choose to die spectacularly.
Far too many westerners love talking about WW2 imo, cos they've moralized the hell out of it. Far too few talk about WW1, which haven't managed to moralize successfully, but which imo is FAR more instructive.
neatdude73@reddit
Yeah so that's why I said the IDF just wants to murder people.
12bEngie@reddit
Your flair is one of the biggest unconditional allies of Israel. Check yourself and change that shit.
Occamsfacecloth@reddit
So is yours
WannaAskQuestions@reddit
Very well said!
Canadian_Border_Czar@reddit
They already have adopted a final solution. They adopted a law that lets them hang Palestinians, after a military trial (closed doors)
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2026/04/israels-death-penalty-law-constitutes-discriminatory-regime-capital
Punk_Pharaoh@reddit
They recently made a law to execute Palestinian prisoners
No_Introduction_3542@reddit
"Ethnostates are a really bad idea."
Yes, especially a theocratic ethnostate.
Dry-Season-522@reddit
Fairly sure if you're going to do an ethnic cleansing you start with those people INSIDE your country... funny how that's not what's happening.
But I get it, any violence against terrorists using human shields is 'ethnic cleansing' despite Israel doing everything reasonably possible to minimize civilian casualties.
waldleben@reddit
Why? Israel needs to keep up a pretense of reasonability for its western backers and the myth of the "domesticated arab" is a core aspect of that
Dry-Season-522@reddit
Oh gosh it's all a grand conspiracy and any instance that doesn't fit your narrative, well that's actually proof because they're eviling it up by not doing the thing you say they'd do cuz they're evil cuz then it would expose their evil so they're only being evil in ways that you can't prove evil evil evil jews evil.
Nah bruh, if 1% of what you say about Israel was true, you'd neither be bold enough to say it, nor would there be anybody in the region left to ethnically cleanse.
rattleandhum@reddit
Lmao, can we stop perpetuating this blatant lie?
Dry-Season-522@reddit
If 1% of what you say about Israel were true, there would be no muslims left in Gaza or the West Bank or... ya know... ISRAEL.
rattleandhum@reddit
It's not the 1940s now... we all have cameras on our phones and can record these crimes. You can't hide them.
But continue on, Hasbara. You both bore and sicken me.
Shane-8300@reddit
Thank you American for your loyal support!
Now please send me money
Dry-Season-522@reddit
Sure, here's 38% of an Elon Musk over 70 years.
Shane-8300@reddit
I only take cash from gentiles
cambeiu@reddit
From the Israeli B'Tselem.
From declaration to action: Israel is carrying out ethnic cleansing in Gaza
Dry-Season-522@reddit
Translation: If a region purges all ethnicities but one, then you're not allowed to fight them because lol that's ethnic cleansing!
Caliphate fanfiction.
Master_Flash@reddit
Gaza is the biggest concentration camp in human history. "Never again" my ass. People are saying the recent attacks in Lebanon have displaced *millions* of people, and that everything is destroyed. This is unimaginable to me.
Also, no terrorist group ever has killed as many reporters, UN employees, doctors, and human rights activists as Israel has killed.
ntnkrm@reddit
In the beginning stages of the final solution with the death penalty bill that just passed
YourFuture2000@reddit
You forgot nationalism and the idea that they are superior human beings.
Socraman@reddit
And the fact that Israel is still not a dictatorship. It's not a full democracy either, but there are elections and different parties, and a semi-free press.
Of course it's not like it's making a stop on the genocidal + occupation intent. Tells something about how good propaganda can work even in a country without a single party system.
No_Introduction_3542@reddit
"Israel slammed his actions as “antisemitic horror.” - from the article.
Anti-zionism is not antisemitism. Many Jews are anti-zionist. Israel has made a costly and monumental mistake with their reaction to October 7th. The coming blowback will be difficult to endure.
HKEY_LOVE_MACHINE@reddit
That's a polish far-right neonazis holding that flag.
They were the ones to actively exterminated more than 90% of polish jews, 3 millions of them.
You can criticize Israel without supporting neonazis calling to exterminate all jews. Actually, that's recommended.
Stop supporting neonazis.
No_Introduction_3542@reddit
Lame attempt at a strawman, I'm not supporting anyone. I'm criticizing the Fascist State of Israel and there are many like me.
And just as a history lesson, the Nazis killed the Jews in the 1940's. It wasn't the Neo-nazis. They aren't the same thing.
SwagDoctorSupreme@reddit
This is not antizionism. Yall will just keep saying that to justify literally anything
No_Introduction_3542@reddit
Found the zionist.
SwagDoctorSupreme@reddit
Yup.
redditeur404@reddit
Everyone here praising the far right is giving the real Third Reich vibes.
And now more words just to satisfy the autobotremover thing because it seems comments need padding to be validated. So there, that should be enough I think, I hope, I believe... I can fly.
Token993@reddit
I can't see anyone here praising Israel (yet) so I think we're safe on that front big fella
Security_Breach@reddit
Dude, Konrad Berkowicz is definitely far-right.
type_E@reddit
r/whatcouldgowrong
Virtual-Pension-991@reddit
Not much, Poland is already busy enough with their neighbors.
They might put some lip service or two, and possibly some contribution to humanitarian aid.
type_E@reddit
Another one for "nothing ever happens"
Fuckin hate that line ngl, but what was I expecting?
Virtual-Pension-991@reddit
It's fine, this time, Poland has a solid reason to not get involved with the tension and war with neighbors.
type_E@reddit
No I mean I have contempt for the saying "nothing ever happens" but I need to reflect more on why I feel that way, because what would count as a happening? History flipping on a dime at this very moment? An entire nation going poof?
Virtual-Pension-991@reddit
Any country could disappear anytime, honestly.
As mortals, we can only focus on what matters near us more than something happening far beyond our borders, especially when it demands attention.
I've said this before, but Israel-Iran isn't the only crisis happening around the world.
bellysavalis@reddit
Yeah, I'm as Pro-Palestine and anti-zionist as they come but mfs like Konrad are NOT our friends. I feel this is something people need to be much more aware of tbh, especially watching other pundits like Tucker and Candace jumping on the bandwagon.
Tangentkoala@reddit
You know if anyone truly knows what they talking about its most likely the boy who actually got mauled by the wolf.
They seeing whats happening in real time and they going all Michael J Fox in the "hey! Ive seen this show before its a classic!"
type_E@reddit
Why do i get a r/Whatcouldgowrong feeling from this
Maybe egg it on just for that purpose? Is that what "fedposting" means?
yo_soy_soja@reddit
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