That fact always makes Dallas sound way more transit-forward than it actually feels day to day. It is still a fun little piece of local trivia though, especially because most people here would never guess we technically have a subway stop at all. Dallas loves having exactly one of something and then acting like that settles the debate.
Wish you didn't have to subscribe to the website to read the article, its about Cityplace Dart stop, its across from the Thunderdome Target. If I remember correctly there was actually two other subways that were planned, one actually began construction, and then got abandoned about a quarter of the way in.
D2 was a bad idea - using capacity grants to expand DART lines where they already exist- better D2 plans would have created a real loop around DT & Uptown. So D2 is really no big loss. It would have been expensive and not increased ridership, nor added in locations where buildings can be added to increase density.
We absolutely need a downtown loop, but the street-running section with all 4 lines running through it severely limits capacity at the moment. The D2 would have been hella expensive, though, I do agree.
It does, but there are legit (IMO, not a railway engineer) ways to mitigate the existing bottleneck without building D2 or really much at all. The ways have been discussed quite a few times, but I can't find a copy online at the moment to show.
It’s shady down there. Lots of people looking for “marks” down there. If you get off at Cityplace don’t look at people in the eye and don’t look like an easy target
if dallas is really going to compete with New York, they need more subways... I love the "Y'all Street" pitch:
"Johnson and City Manager Kimberly Tolbert led a Dallas business delegation to New York for a two-day corporate recruitment push built around the city’s “Y’all Street” brand, the campaign positioning Dallas as the friendlier, cheaper, tax-friendlier alternative to Manhattan for financial firms looking to cut costs without cutting talent. The trip signals how aggressively Dallas is moving to convert pandemic-era migration momentum into permanent institutional anchors." (from Preston Hollow paper)
Let me tell you as someone who takes that station everyday of the year it is in fact not an escape from the heat, it’s always hot as hell down there on the platform 😂
The pumping needed is really expensive to keep the tunnels from filling with water because of how high the water table is here. That’s on top of the expense of tunneling. It makes it impractical for all but the densest areas.
There is a giant drainage tunnel underneath US75 that goes to Cole Park adjacent to here. DT Dallas is covered in underground pedestrian tunnels - how high the water table is is variable.
Also tunneling is expensive but about 60% of that is the upfront costs (permits, engineering, etc) and only 40% is the actual work of building the tunnels. *SOME* of that 60% could be reduced through better regulations.
And the underground tunnels being almost entirely closed now too. Imagine being able to go do your shopping and traveling away from the Texas heat without having to drive or fear being hit by a car. Sure would be nice…
As much as I like to give Irving shit, going around in that little Jettson cart around the buildings there for food and just visiting peeps was the closest I think I’ll get to a futuristic walkable city with cool little shuttles.
For the longest time there was very little to use that thing for, and now there's tons of stuff over there around the Toyota music factory, and tons of apartments right by the tram stops, but the tram is shut down. Like what the fuck are we doing here?!
Passed through it on my way to work every day for years back when I lived in the area. When I first actually got out there to walk around and check it out I was impressed by the obvious amount of money spent on it to bury it under the highway but also lamented that so little was being one with the area.
I remember taking the DART train when it first opened in the late 90s. It was a really bad experience. The interior felt very claustrophobic (it seemed to have a very narrow walkway between the seats) smelled of urine and had a lot of homeless people.
I took DART for years in the late 90s/early aughts from NE Dallas to the VA hospital in South Dallas. Overwhelmingly positive experience with a few WTF trips in there for spice.
Powerballs@reddit
That fact always makes Dallas sound way more transit-forward than it actually feels day to day. It is still a fun little piece of local trivia though, especially because most people here would never guess we technically have a subway stop at all. Dallas loves having exactly one of something and then acting like that settles the debate.
NothingButTheTea@reddit
There are huge escalators down there it’s so cool!!
arlenroy@reddit
Wish you didn't have to subscribe to the website to read the article, its about Cityplace Dart stop, its across from the Thunderdome Target. If I remember correctly there was actually two other subways that were planned, one actually began construction, and then got abandoned about a quarter of the way in.
NothingButTheTea@reddit
There are huge escalators down there it’s so cool!!
Tchaik748@reddit
Knox/Henderson station. NIMBYism took it away.
There was also a D2 subway that was proposed, but sadly never built
Delicious_Hand527@reddit
D2 was a bad idea - using capacity grants to expand DART lines where they already exist- better D2 plans would have created a real loop around DT & Uptown. So D2 is really no big loss. It would have been expensive and not increased ridership, nor added in locations where buildings can be added to increase density.
Tchaik748@reddit
We absolutely need a downtown loop, but the street-running section with all 4 lines running through it severely limits capacity at the moment. The D2 would have been hella expensive, though, I do agree.
Delicious_Hand527@reddit
It does, but there are legit (IMO, not a railway engineer) ways to mitigate the existing bottleneck without building D2 or really much at all. The ways have been discussed quite a few times, but I can't find a copy online at the moment to show.
32RH@reddit
Thunder dome Target?
shaun3000@reddit
Murder Target. Ghetto Target. Hood Target.
dallascowboys93@reddit
Never been?
ScarHand69@reddit
Police are regularly called to that Target. There was a homicide there a year or a few years ago.
Snobolski@reddit
There was a homicide on the White Rock Creek trail years ago - is that the Thunderdome Trail?
dallascowboys93@reddit
No but that Target really is brutal to go to. You’ll never know what you’ll see there
Delicious_Hand527@reddit
It's not a great target, but I've never seen anything interesting there.
dallascowboys93@reddit
Really? Missing out then lol
Snobolski@reddit
I have a soft spot in my heart for that Target because we were able to snag a Wii console there for Christmas when every other Target was sold out.
KTX77@reddit
It definitely draws from a multitude of different social and economic groups.
Filipindian@reddit
It’s shady down there. Lots of people looking for “marks” down there. If you get off at Cityplace don’t look at people in the eye and don’t look like an easy target
AmyWilliamse@reddit
if dallas is really going to compete with New York, they need more subways... I love the "Y'all Street" pitch:
"Johnson and City Manager Kimberly Tolbert led a Dallas business delegation to New York for a two-day corporate recruitment push built around the city’s “Y’all Street” brand, the campaign positioning Dallas as the friendlier, cheaper, tax-friendlier alternative to Manhattan for financial firms looking to cut costs without cutting talent. The trip signals how aggressively Dallas is moving to convert pandemic-era migration momentum into permanent institutional anchors." (from Preston Hollow paper)
this state really needs better transit.
MagicianReady8350@reddit
Forth Worth used to have a nice one. I saw a YT video about it. Here is the wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tandy_Center_Subway
MetalAngelo7@reddit
It’s a shame how we don’t use subways more; it’s a good way to escape the intense heat we get when waiting for the train.
andiconi@reddit
Let me tell you as someone who takes that station everyday of the year it is in fact not an escape from the heat, it’s always hot as hell down there on the platform 😂
dallascowboys93@reddit
Mixed in with stale homeless piss
andiconi@reddit
lol and the last time you went down there was?
dallascowboys93@reddit
2 hours ago
waitstaph@reddit
The pumping needed is really expensive to keep the tunnels from filling with water because of how high the water table is here. That’s on top of the expense of tunneling. It makes it impractical for all but the densest areas.
Delicious_Hand527@reddit
There is a giant drainage tunnel underneath US75 that goes to Cole Park adjacent to here. DT Dallas is covered in underground pedestrian tunnels - how high the water table is is variable.
Also tunneling is expensive but about 60% of that is the upfront costs (permits, engineering, etc) and only 40% is the actual work of building the tunnels. *SOME* of that 60% could be reduced through better regulations.
Jamesx_@reddit
And the underground tunnels being almost entirely closed now too. Imagine being able to go do your shopping and traveling away from the Texas heat without having to drive or fear being hit by a car. Sure would be nice…
karma_time_machine@reddit
It seemed like decades ago Texas politicians were down for a futuristic urbanist vision but something changed. Did people just not take to it?
Solarbro@reddit
As much as I like to give Irving shit, going around in that little Jettson cart around the buildings there for food and just visiting peeps was the closest I think I’ll get to a futuristic walkable city with cool little shuttles.
And it’s one shuttle lmao, and like… 7 stores.
twinkiesown@reddit
For the longest time there was very little to use that thing for, and now there's tons of stuff over there around the Toyota music factory, and tons of apartments right by the tram stops, but the tram is shut down. Like what the fuck are we doing here?!
Solarbro@reddit
Is it really!?? Lmao come on yall. It was working when no one needed it though 🤣🤣
yeahright17@reddit
Oil money changed their minds.
mattaui@reddit
Passed through it on my way to work every day for years back when I lived in the area. When I first actually got out there to walk around and check it out I was impressed by the obvious amount of money spent on it to bury it under the highway but also lamented that so little was being one with the area.
Delicious_Hand527@reddit
There's a new complex under construction nearby (so close they should connect it via an underground tunnel).
dallasuptowner@reddit
Only active subway station, there however is one that predates it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tandy_Center_Subway
MrTacocaT12345@reddit
I remember taking the DART train when it first opened in the late 90s. It was a really bad experience. The interior felt very claustrophobic (it seemed to have a very narrow walkway between the seats) smelled of urine and had a lot of homeless people.
Hopefully it has changed since then.
Snobolski@reddit
I took DART for years in the late 90s/early aughts from NE Dallas to the VA hospital in South Dallas. Overwhelmingly positive experience with a few WTF trips in there for spice.
ForzaFenix@reddit
I've got bad news for you.....
BlazinAzn38@reddit
DART is very cool
cantfindmykeys@reddit
I always forget we have a subway. I live in Carrollton, and while I use dart alot it's always green or silver line or local buses
Vig_2@reddit
It’s a pretty cool station to visit, at least once. Like a Dallas Bucket List, thing.
pot8odragon@reddit
Longest subway in the south
Electricdragongaming@reddit
Paywall
ViolaFields@reddit
Never heard of this before
NintendogsWithGuns@reddit
You’ve never taken the train from Mockingbird Station?
lithdoc@reddit (OP)
Yeah. Me better. Therefore the flair "discussion."