House Passes ALERT Act
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The House passed the Airspace Location and Enhanced Risk Transparency (ALERT) act which includes updated ADS-B In requirements. The bill is in response to the midair collision between AA Flight 5342 and a UH-60 Army helicopter. What does this mean for general aviation? Will it require ADS-B In everywhere Out is currently required? And if so, will a portable Sentry paired with ForeFlight running on an iPad meet the requirement?
DanThePilot_Mann@reddit
Big fan of ADSB out for all. I do think that all 121 operations should have ADSB In.
AIRdomination@reddit
How would that help any extra than what TCAS II already allows for?
Flyward_Aerospace@reddit
The portable Sentry/ForeFlight question is what everyone's going to be debating. My gut says no — the spirit of this is integrated avionics, not a tablet potentially face-down in the bag. That said, FAA usually builds in transition windows, so portable might get a grace period. The real issue is you don't actually reduce midair risk until both sides have a complete traffic picture, which is why the airspace data infrastructure problem is way more interesting to me than just the hardware mandate.
poisonandtheremedy@reddit
Assuming the bill survives a House/Senate reconciliation committee process, it means aircraft operating under Part 91 will have to have ADS-B In wherever ADS-B Out is now required. Portable ADS-B In devices will be allowed to cover that new requirement. According to AOPA, the House version also includes language that will ban the use of ADS-B Out signal
https://avbrief.com/house-passes-alert-act/
poisonandtheremedy@reddit
Yet another reg written in blood.
XeroG@reddit
What part of the DC mid air would have been prevented by ADS-B in/out?
cincocerodos@reddit
Can you explain why it wouldn’t have?
XeroG@reddit
You can the full report but TL;DR:
cincocerodos@reddit
Thank you
1039198468@reddit
And, like ELTs, totally misses the lesson of the accident…….
VileInventor@reddit
I hope they make ADSB required for all AC, but the reality is they won’t. ADSB is 1. expensive 2. probably going to be given the same treatment as “planes that are certified before blah blah don’t need it”
atheros@reddit
Uncertified ADSB-in costs $20 plus an old tablet computer plus electricity.
PILOT9000@reddit
It’s the out that matters.
atheros@reddit
People says this sometimes but I wonder how many pilots will stop scanning for traffic once everyone has ADSB-out. I think the layer of Swiss cheese will disappear. And then we don't need pilots in GA anymore.
Skynet_lives@reddit
I think he means making ADSB out required.
Flimsy-Ad-858@reddit
A tail beacon is like $2k. Yeah it's not nothing but for what it provides I'd call that good. And thank God those guys toughed out Garmin trying to sue them out of existence because it would be $10k otherwise.
PILOT9000@reddit
Yes, because ADS-B is soooooo reliable. That will solve everything.
aeternus-eternis@reddit
I think most pilots would welcome this as long as portable ADS-B In satisfies the requirement.
Relying on "see and avoid" when this tech exists is incredibly unsafe.
Flimsy-Ad-858@reddit
Yeah I'm alright with this.
If it requires me panel-mounting an ADSB unit in my $30k taildragger then I'm out, but if Foreflight/GP/Avare qualifies then fine I guess.
Quirky_Celery_3681@reddit
Imbeciles like Garmin who ensured thy could monopolize the industry will lobby against portables as “unreliable” compared to panel mounted - take it from an avionics dealer who believes a kitten dies every time someone installs Garmin
skunimatrix@reddit
For us GA folks out there this is the TLDR from the transportation attorney in the house (my wife) not actual legal advice...yada...yada...yada: Most of this is to set the frame work to let the bureaucracy makes its rules under Administrative Procedure Act.
Good news is that in Section 104 H it lays out
So it looks like they are telling the FAA et. al. to at least consider portable devices that could be used for this however doesn't specifically state it must exist in the final rule at this point.
skunimatrix@reddit
This is why we went ahead and replaced the StratusESG with a GTX345 when we put in a new panel this winter.
Living_Guess_2845@reddit
Spam/engagement bait
rFlyingTower@reddit
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The House passed the Airspace Location and Enhanced Risk Transparency (ALERT) act which includes updated ADS-B In requirements. The bill is in response to the midair collision between AA Flight 5342 and a UH-60 Army helicopter. What does this mean for general aviation? Will it require ADS-B In everywhere Out is currently required? And if so, will a portable Sentry paired with ForeFlight running on an iPad meet the requirement?
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