How many casualties has standard air conditioning caused in your country?
Posted by Janosh_Poha@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 129 comments
So, I'm not of Balkan heritage, but I have many Balkan friends. We live in the USA and every time I go to one of their homes the air conditioning is never working. I have been to homes where the internal temperature is in the 80s (26 Celsius and up) and they refuse to turn on the air conditioning. Many of them in the same home with their parents, and their parents seem to believe that air conditioning is artificial "promaja." What is this all about?
Scared-Show-4511@reddit
You can add the chinese too. I think theres where the trend started
HumonculusJaeger@reddit
I wish i had this for the extra hot summer days.
Am_aBoy@reddit
This reminded me how one time my dad set the AC to 28 ... On cold while outside it was 30 .... Make it make sense
SuedeJacketMonster@reddit
That's exactly how it is done. Otherwise you get the annoying cold wave that makes it unbearable inside (21-22 C) and you get the snivels mid summer. For some reason the same temperature on heat in the winter is perfect.
Am_aBoy@reddit
Dude me and my mother like to send it to 26 and he calls it to cold š
SuedeJacketMonster@reddit
I keep it at 26-27 tbh
drb1988@reddit
Same. Usually 27 is my default. Under 26 and I get too cold inside.
juryjczyzkow@reddit
i overheat above 5 so yeah
jaleach@reddit
My Dad had Alzheimer's, and eventually died from it, but he had a phase where he was fucking around with the thermostat. One morning, I woke up drenched in sweat, and discovered he'd turned it up to 90 degress Farhenheit. It took all day to cool the house down. It was crazy because I had no idea it could put out that much heat, but it did, and this was from a furnace that was over 20 years old.
Kvaezde@reddit
Nobody knows this fahrenheit nonsense, please convert to a measuring unite for normal, sane people (celsius).Ā
jaleach@reddit
LOL! When I was a kid in the 1970s, the school pushed the metric system pretty hard. It's the wave of the future, they said!
We never adopted it. There was this weird hostility about it, too, with people refusing to learn it.
Kvaezde@reddit
If I was the dictator of the USA everyone using imperial units would be shot. Problem solved.
SuedeJacketMonster@reddit
9000 freedom units
Ok-Buy5600@reddit
If it goes below 26 i'm getting cold... my AC is always on 26 in the summer. :D
Agron7000@reddit
It's making promaja everywhere.Ā
My wife wanted an A/C, I didn't know her goal was to send my parents.
LeggoSlackers@reddit
Aoleu te prinde curentul! š I dont even know how to translate that to English... It's something like "the cold air flow will catch you!", it's supposed to mean you will get sick. You shouldn't stay "in the air flow", be it just between a window and a door for example. š
Superstitions or not, being raised with these beliefs means I am sensitive to cold air and I will indeed catch a cold if the AC is too strong im sitting close to it (mulČumesc mamaieš¬)
HuckleberryUnhappy18@reddit
Ai? Really??
Dunkelhaft@reddit
My short story about this
Was 19 or so staying at my gf house at that time we had no ac (back in 2008 or so) but they had and i was not used to it. Anyway these 2-3 days ac is on overkill after that i go home and got so sick that need to get a shot. Did go to the health center where the old nurse told me to go inside the room and pull down the pants and lay on the table. As this was my first ass shot i did not know and pulled my pants and underwear full down. Suddenly the intern nurse comes inside and screams and calls the older one who then screams at me while i am naked with my dick outš¤£
SafelyOblivious@reddit
Huh
Early_Ad6717@reddit
26° C is a fine temperature. Why would I want to turn the AC? I use the AC at winter when it's too cold outside or the summer when we have 40° C outside. Turning the AC on when it's 26°C is pointlessly dumb. Also, to what ° would you make it if the room is 26°? It is not a flex to use something when you have no need of it.
Free-Celebration4562@reddit
If Heaven existed, it would be 26ĀŗC.
NoSync22@reddit
Honestly, I terribly struggle to fall asleep with 26 degrees in the bedroom, especially if humid. Conversely, I have no problems with sleeping in a room with 10 degrees during the winter.
P-l-Staker@reddit
People with more... excess fat in their body... get warm faster and easier. š
John-Dune-Awakening@reddit
20° C
Free-Celebration4562@reddit
Idk, we love our air conditioning over here so I can't say.
Accomplished-Ad-3597@reddit
Well, don't know if it applies, but saw a guy literally die in front of me on a summer noon. He was working one of those comercialist/delivery services (where they get a small van and just go from store to store every day).
I assume the car was chilled with AC, while outside was blazing hot. He was jumpin from cold to hot and back so many times in a small span of time that his cardiovascular system just couldn't handle it as it constantly contracts and expands due to temperature change. Poor guy stopped the car in the middle of the street, jumped out to look for help, stumbled couple of steps on the sidewalk and then just colapsed. Ambulance couldn't do anything as he was already gone. Made me rethink using the AC at the office unless it's extreme, while keeping the difference moderate.
mrtwister134@reddit
yes
theystolemyusername@reddit
My AC is set to 24-26 C. I think you're just used to freezer temperatures.
BogdanovOwO@reddit
I thinked to buy a A/C and the conclusion is the price, the maintenance and the electricity bill. So, I can live without any problem.
ColderPls@reddit
Eu abea astept sa ma mut si sa-mi iau AC. Nu inteleg cum aveti posibilitatea si tot nu va luati. Ma omoara psihic si fizic vara cand ajung temp si la 40 de grade...
BogdanovOwO@reddit
40°C? Este cam puČin. MenČionez cÄ am lucrat Ć®n HoReCa Či este groaznic. Presiune, transpiraČie, obosealÄ Či durere de cap.
Key_Information3273@reddit
nici nu te ātrage curentulā /s
BogdanovOwO@reddit
BunÄ asta, dar nu Ć®mi place sÄ arunc bani inutil.
lionman3937@reddit
Promaja.
skippy_smooth@reddit
Balkan Fan Death
Cool_Sympathy_9900@reddit
It is not just Balkan, in central europe AC and draft in general will lead to various health problems from flu to infertility.
NightZT@reddit
Yes, my mom tries to leave every room with an AC running as soon as possible because she will get a stiff neck, a cold, dry eyes or whatever from it apparently. She attributes every discomfort to the AC
Tramagust@reddit
Yo clean those filters. That sounds like your AC is moldy.
NightZT@reddit
She doesn't even have one because of that lol
Cool_Sympathy_9900@reddit
My colleagues are showing sings of repsiratory distress after 30 minutes in room with AC on. It just our culture I guess.
Low_Environment5807@reddit
It's called being an overdramatic baby
Substantial-One1934@reddit
Well nowadays with climate change and too hot summer it's a plus to have an AC . But the temperature difference must be not more than six or seven degrees. By the way I used to live in Egypt for three years a long time ago without an AC and still alive.
Interesting-Pipe0000@reddit
We have 2 AC/s running 24/7
In summer they are set to 18 degrees (cold air) and in winter they are set to 26 or 27 degrees (warm air)
I cannot live without AC, its either too hot or too cold whey they are not working
VVest_VVind@reddit
ACs are my mortal enemy. If I'm intentionally seeking out a temperature lower than 30 degrees Celsius, it means I'm in the middle of a migraine attack. Bus drivers don't feel the same and often turn their buses into freezers during summer.
PVanchurov@reddit
American obsession with AC isn't healthy, you shouldn't have a 15°+ difference between inside and outside, you don't need that kind of shock and unless you really need it, like in Arizona, Florida, etc... Just open a window. That being said, I have AC in every room and I don't think I've used it in years, not because I'm afraid of some draft but because it wasn't necessary where I live. Sleeping in an air conditioned room is bad for you and can lead to a number of respiratory issues due to the dry air and if it blows directly at you can make you stiff as a plank.
Remote-Wafer3321@reddit
You have a very naive view of the weather in the United States if you think most of the country simply doesn't need it. It was incorporated into our homes because the majority of us get the temperatures and humidity that require it.
PVanchurov@reddit
I've been to the following states. NY, Virginia, Florida, California, Colorado, Arizona, Washington, Illinois, Montana, Texas, Nevada, North Carolina, Massachusetts at different times of the year.
AC has its uses, it shouldn't be set to freezing as soon as the sun comes out and in most cases it's being used way to aggressively.
In Arizona I walked around the office in a hoodie because it was 22 degrees indoors with the outside being 43°, 22° is colder than my server room jfyi. I've been to hotels in the states that had no thermostats in the rooms and no windows you could open.
John-Dune-Awakening@reddit
I would put money on you never having met anyone that has their AC set to 0°C.
Janosh_Poha@reddit (OP)
You have been told myths. All modern AC units in the USA that are central driven will regulate the temperature to where there is no "shock" to the body. Opening a window when it is hot outside does not cool down a room. It makes the room the same temperature as outside. Also, you talk about how the human body is not meant to deal with shock in temperature change, but I have a better one for you. The human body is not meant to deal with heat either, thats why we sweat. It's our natural body temperature control to try and cool ourselves down, but might lead to dehydration
New_Accident_4909@reddit
Nah man you cool way too much. First thing i do when i visit US hotel is adjust the temperature up at least 3 Celsius.
Janosh_Poha@reddit (OP)
I think it depends on the hotel. I only stay at IHG brand hotels and from what I've seen is that the rooms aren't crazy cold. Funny enough, there has been a few times when I have traveled Europe (especially the Balkans) and the AC unit is turned off and the front desk doesn't want you using it, because of the cost of running it. The hotel I stayed at in Pula said they would put an extra charge on my final bill to use the AC.
PVanchurov@reddit
Easy there captain America. I wasn't born yesterday and I haven't been living under a rock, I've traveled the world and have seen how people use air conditioning, from se Asia, to Africa to America, and I'm speaking from experience.
Don't explain basic thermodynamics like it's an eureka moment.
The human body has evolved over millenia to deal with all kinds of things, including functioning in warm weather, as I said, air conditioning has its use, it's not strictly necessary everywhere all the time.
Janosh_Poha@reddit (OP)
I too have traveled a lot. From my experience Europeans are totally lost when they think of Americans and AC. We use it when it's very hot outside, not when it's cold.
Appropriate_Rich_909@reddit
well, but in winter in europe when its 0°C outsite people have it 15+°C inside...
No-Natural2002@reddit
You know AC comes with a remote and you can set it to whatever temp is comfortable?
15ā° difference isn't healthy.
Mysterious_Kick1659@reddit
So what happens in the winter when you heat your apartment?
New_Accident_4909@reddit
Then you put on layers before going outside.
Are you peeling skin and flesh going outside in the summer? Must be painful :)
No-Natural2002@reddit
Don't you?! I have a skin for work, one for outside, one for inside
Mysterious_Kick1659@reddit
I just survive like normal person. 15C difference doesnt scare me.
New_Accident_4909@reddit
Keep contracting and expanding thise blood vessels it will do you good
Mysterious_Kick1659@reddit
Stop promoting stereotypes
No-Natural2002@reddit
Idk about you but i put clothes one when i go outside.
Mysterious_Kick1659@reddit
You still get hit with 15ā°C or more difference.
No-Natural2002@reddit
Yeah man but it doesn't feel that hard of a difference.
Personally if there are 21ā° inside and 35ā° outside i don't feel good/confortable going outside or walking in.
Last_Greek@reddit
Studies show sleeping in a cold room improves sleep quality
PVanchurov@reddit
Colder yes, air-conditioned to arctic temperatures no.
Last_Greek@reddit
15.6ā19.4°C is ideal
Physical-Ad5343@reddit
Not for me. I have to bury myself under several blankets if the room temperature falls under 19°C at night.
kelfupanda@reddit
Fuck that.
DoraTheBerserker@reddit
It's not really an issue unless you're elderly/have a heart condition. A relatively healthy body can handle the vasoconstriction/vasodilation fine
This is also an old wives tale.
The real problem with AC being blasted at the lowest setting all day is the environment. Don't get the obsession with creating a layer wearing environment indoors when it's 30+ outside.
Dunkelhaft@reddit
The acs have the tech already that the air humidity stays
TwentinQuarantino@reddit
26 is not that hot at all.
Avithohol@reddit
26 is perfectly fine and definatelly pleasand room temperature!
NowWhereToRun@reddit
That AI image was important š„°
Statakaka@reddit
I've pretty much ac at home only during the winter. The artificial cold during the summer is awful
Hefty_Jaguar4305@reddit
we havent this in germany in the rooms.
drebengolem@reddit
I am 30 years old and I havent lived in an apartment with AC, nor do I really feel the need for it, except msybe in the midsummer when I would like it to be a bit chilly at home.
Burrito357@reddit
I couldn't live without my AC idk what that's abt. Ig the electricity bill? šš
jaleach@reddit
Is this related to the Balkan belief that opening a window is bad? I laughed when I first heard about it, but when I thought about it more later, I realized that I've never felt good after leaving a window open all night. I always wake up with a stuffy nose and achy joints.
I've seen a few videos where this is played for laughs, but I'm not kidding when I say I think it's actually a thing. Maybe it's pollen and allergies, I don't know. Even if the air conditioner is off and I'm sweating, I still don't feel as bad as when the window is open all night.
Substantial-One1934@reddit
It's not like being afraid of open windows But to not stay in airflow which happens when there are two opposing windows open. s
ReasonResitant@reddit
Kind of, if you are sitting in an Airstream someone will come scream at me that i am about to give myself a cold. It could be 36c inside 33c out, does not matter, cold.
God forbid if you do it after coming out of the shower.
AnarchoSocial@reddit
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BRZY667@reddit
In my opinion 25°C (77°F) inside is fine until the humidity is about a maximum of 55% RH. The problem with most ACs are that they dry out the air too much which causes dry throat which leads to a higher chance to get ill.
JimbosBalls@reddit
Its not funny, Promajo takes thousands of lives each year.
Jake24601@reddit
The AC is for like one week in August.
Worried-Owl-9198@reddit
Electricity bill
Janosh_Poha@reddit (OP)
I knew that electricity here in the USA was far cheaper than Europe and the rest of the world, but I never stopped to realize that high energy prices would stop people from using appliances
Whole_Obligation_776@reddit
In Turkey, if it is not a life or death situation (dont take it too literally of course), you would never have an AC unit to begin with. I live in Ankara, I have friends that are millionaires in USD, these motherfuckers dont have AC units in their flats. This city can hit 40 degrees celcius 5 to 10 days every year and above 30 is usual in summer peak.
But if you go to more sunny places in Turkey, such as the seaside regions, AC units start being the norm but this time these motherfuckers dont install home heating systems, such as radiators, because every year they only have 5 or 10 days where the temperatures fall down to 0 degree celcius.
So you basically make a choice in life and stick with it in here.
dallyan@reddit
Yeah. Everyone has an A/C in Antalya. Summers are brutal without it.
PinotRed@reddit
I mean you can also heat with AC, if you have it in the 1st place.
Whole_Obligation_776@reddit
Well thats generally what happens in the south.
Spacecruiser96@reddit
A very very crude analogy would be
In Greece I pay double the price in electricity compared to USA while I earn 1/3 of the US salary.
We bought some very expensive but very efficient ACs last year to cope with kwh prices and it worked so far. But yeah generally people avoid AC usage due electricity. Mom used to say "shut it off a bit so it can rest" cause she didnt want to say it otherwise.
dallyan@reddit
Honestly we should adopt ceiling fans more. They make SUCH a difference. My parents lived in the US a long time where they're typical. They found places who manufacture them in Turkey and had them installed.
Professional-Fee-488@reddit
While that might be true for Turkish people, I can assure that it's not the case for Serbs, we either keep the ac on 24/7 or you have older family members living with you in which case they often won't allow you to turn it on precisely for the reasons you initially mentioned, artifical promaja, and we all learn to fear the dreaded promaja from early age, it kills instantly, quicker than hemlock, or they simply might believe that cold air somehow magically will cause sore throat or make you catch a cold.
pk851667@reddit
Cold air wonāt. But overly dry air absolutely does.
power2go3@reddit
I don't know anyone who doesn't have AC. I never understood those jokes until I moved out of Bucharest.
Tramagust@reddit
Bucharest is in the sahara
Anticitizen_One_27@reddit
26C is perfectly fine home temperature during summertime, I would never turn on AC with 26C in my home. If it reaches 30C, I would turn on AC and lower to 24 maybe, not more. I mean itās summer and Iām walking around in shorts and barefoot, no need to be cold. AC dries air and itās not good to have big variance vs outside temperature.
Spiritual_Trouble_14@reddit
When I came across this question I didn't see the meme at first, and assumed I would find some evidence to back up my hatred of air conditioning.
For me it's not an issue of being tight with electricity usage, as I turn on heating as soon as it gets around 20 degrees Centigrade.
Wind, draught, and especially fans irk me and I swear I have actually fallen ill whenever I've experienced promaja. One thing I cannot comprehend is how people sleep with a fan on as it's not natural for any human being to enjoy a draught.
The reason man made houses or even lived in caves in prehistoric times is because it's not natural or healthy to be blown about by wind.
iSebastian1@reddit
Well normally it wasn't an issue up until a few years ago... My room wouldn't heat more tha than 28C but lately it's slowly going up, last year it got to 32+ for several weeks at a time. So might be time to invest in an A/C...
No-Championship-4632@reddit
I use it for like 2-3 months a year in the summer to maintain around 23-24C. I turn it off in the night cause I hate sleeping in air conditioned room.
My impression (from my stays in US and in hotels where a significant percentage of tourists are Americans) is they set the thermostat to annoyingly low temperatures, like below 20C. Wouldn't say it's unhealthy, it's just not comfortable. But they like it that way and would complain if temperatures are what I consider normal, as if they will melt or something. I find airports, malls and most restaurants in the US annoyingly cold.
Critical-Copy1455@reddit
26C? That is perfect. Draft kills. AC is even worse. Can cause meningitis if ypur hair is wet. Any kind of air moving is bad, cold air blowing from a machine is a pinnacle of terrible one can imagine (my granny, probably)
nemamkarmenisambot@reddit
Why would you waste your time to generate this AI slop pic?
HorrorsPersistSoDoI@reddit
I am not even kidding, many people are afraid of AC, think it will make them sick, so they generally avoid it altogether
Istar10n@reddit
I'm with the Americans on this one, I always use the AC in the the summer and set it to 25 C. I don't mind the hear that much when I'm outside, but I absolutely hate it indoors.
zpedroteixeira1@reddit
Da bill. It's about the electricity bill.
Simphorosa@reddit
AC is a life saver.
Dimi7rozavar@reddit
The air conditioning at home is almost never off. In the winter we keep it at 22 C and in the summer at around 25-26C. Spring and fall it varies deepening on the temperature outside.
IndependentWrap8853@reddit
This is not only Balkans, this is most of Europe. There is a severe ideological resistance to AC here that I cannot understand at all. Itās not like ālive and let liveā type of situation, where you have a right to have/turn on AC if you feel like it, you will get proactively attacked and prevented from doing so. Whatever the reason given (āpromajaā and getting sic, electricity cost, environment, etc) itās all bullshit. Itās a collective psychosis that affects at least 80% of population.
ahmet-chromedgeic@reddit
19C is just objectively cold. I keep my temperature around 23-24 throughout the entire year with heating/AC.
Green_Money_7688@reddit
19C is fucking cold
StatusChannel5056@reddit
I use an air conditioner when the heat is up to 36C° and upper. Cuz when I use an air conditioner i get sick
Janosh_Poha@reddit (OP)
No filter system? Vast majority of USA central air air conditioning units have micro filters to help prevent getting sick.
Green_Money_7688@reddit
we havw the same filters it doesn't matter, and I do the same for the AC. if it's a heatwave above 35C I use it if not I don't. And if I can I turn it off as soon as possible because I always start feeling sick from the cold air
StatusChannel5056@reddit
No i get cold
humanistazazagrliti@reddit
Propuh or promaja is a collective psychosis in Bosnia that will make everyone go paranoid at the slightest chance of a breeze.
FixingOpinions@reddit
To this day I don't understand what the hell the word "promaja" means, the only time I've experienced it it was discomforting but nothing special, certainly not something that kills
crimilde@reddit
Did you really need an AI image for this? Gross.
wolfgan146@reddit
That AI slop of a picture though...
This_Music682@reddit
P R O M A J A
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alasw0eisme@reddit
In my case it's because I care about the environment and try to reduce electricity usage. If I'm cold, I put on warm clothes - then, if I'm still cold, I'll turn on the heater or AC. Of I'm hot, I take off everything except a T-shirt and shirts, I drink a glass of cold water and then, if I'm still hot, I'll turn on the AC. But that basically never happens because I live in a house and it's always cool inside.
kelfupanda@reddit
How many Americans have meltdowns over this?
Janosh_Poha@reddit (OP)
About half the population. The other half of the population hasn't advanced to arguing about AC units, because they are still trying to understand if every animal in Australia is trying to kill you.
FidelKosta@reddit
My mother uses it to support the heater in Greece. Because her type of heater is electric. And it works. The combination is cheaper than to heat with heater in winter. In summer she only uses it in one or two rooms.
crnigruja3@reddit
Ubi promaja gasi toĀ
Pigeonofthesea8@reddit
Superstition. Itās embarrassing.
And dangerous because old people with heart problems should not be hanging out in 30C indoors
ultimatejourney@reddit
Iām also a non-Balkan American but I think AC is not common in Europe. Only person in Slovenian BFās family who probably has it lives in Dubai.
adyrip1@reddit
It depends on the country. In Romania everyone who can afford one has one.
Aggressive-Main9930@reddit
Maybe poorly maintained air conditioners spread bacteria and other stuff and that actually makes people sick?