Is 300hp enough to have fun?

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DrTurb0@reddit

I say it depends on the weight. My personal feeling is like

300HP for a Miata

400 HP for a hatchback

500HP for a sports car.

I own a 350HP hatchback and 400 HP sports car and I feel it needs just a little bit more to be special fun.

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I think 300hp is kinda the sweet spot. I've had a few around the 200 mark. Got bored after awhile and sold them. Miata, GTI, 944, couple A4s. Cars Ive owned that always put a smile on my face when driving 911, S5. Both of these cars gave me severe owner anxiety though. Waiting for some catastrophic failure to Bankrupt me. Enjoyed some mustang GT's too.

I also think everything is dependent on where and how you drive. You live in prairies roads are straight boring? You live in the mountains/ canyons lots of curves and switch backs.? Or you live in a city with lots of stop and go traffic? In a perfect world, I would want a different car for each scenario.

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UnderTheFrozenSky@reddit

Depends on how much it weighs and if it is manual.

300 HP in a 3 ton auto truck? Not really.

300 HP in a 3000 lb manual sports car? Yeah.

I have a 5 speed convertible Geo Metro that makes all of 55 HP and its a hoot.

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wsxdfcvgbnjmlkjafals@reddit

wow, a Metro? we had a used one when I was a teen... I just remember it couldn't even maintain 100 km/h lol

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UnderTheFrozenSky@reddit

It can definitely go 100 km/h. Source: Ive touched 100 mph in it!

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wsxdfcvgbnjmlkjafals@reddit

I didn't think about it so I just looked, there were 2 models so you must have the 4-cyl

Now I have the slowest Rivian made, it's 553hp, but weighs 7,200lbs. Still entertaining at around that same 13.0 pm/hp.

Also have a Ducati Monster (also the slowest one they make), and it's absurdly fast at 4.9 lbm/hp. Completely, and utterly different experience, but you get the idea.

Had an RX8 that only made 232hp, but only weighed 2,900lbs. About 12.5lbm/hp, and supremely entertaining to drive!

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AggravatingLow77@reddit

It’s all about weight:ratio and G forces applied on launch.

I have a motorcycle with like 50hp and that's a ton of fun.

r/corvairius has everything you'll want to see, it's a '10 Toyota HSD mid mounted, battery is in the frunk now. I transferred all of the computers and the harness over.

Giving people rides is always fun because they're not expecting 140 to throw them back, but just like an EV, the acceleration is instant and it's weight reduced so much.

My 38hp mini cooper was more fun than my 400hp Audi or my outlaw 911.

:/

I’m sure it did.

… once

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Gonna_do_this_again@reddit

I had an 83 Mazda 323 hatch that was a hella fun 68hp until I broke it

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Canelosaurio@reddit

As an owner of an 8th gen Civic Si, I concur.

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ParticularGrouchy736@reddit

200 to 300 in a 1 ton car is perfect Just look at first gen impreza while beeing a bit heavier its still super fun but you also get the awd though yeah thats the weight above 1 ton. I dont want to imagine how unreliable or expensiv maintenace get byeond these numbers. Everything needs to be stronger for more hp and so will be more expansiv. If its a smaller car like 800 to 900kg 150 to 250hp will do with ease. Its all just power to weight to cost. I prefer the lightweight option because handling is more important than power unless you live here in germany than I can understand why you want more power to go 300+ on the autobahn. Obviusly track cars are a different breed.

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WideOpenAutoHub@reddit

300 is perfect tbh. Enough to feel fast, but not too much to enjoy on the street.

I had an S3 (300hp) and it was perfect for the street.

My car now is an M340 (380hp ish) and it’s much better than the S3 but it’s right at the ceiling of being too much for backroads.

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SigAndTired@reddit

HP alone does not equal fun. Nor does lb/ft torque.

What matters is the power and torque ratios with mass.

Second to that is quality of tire. If you have shit tires you can't safely use all your power.

Third thing is where on the rev band the peak torque and peak HP reside.

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mikeysd123@reddit

Christ how many of these posts are we gonna see.

Power. To. Weight.

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Guilty-Log6739@reddit

It’s exhausting isn’t it? At some point it feels like the logical thing to do is conclude many folks can’t keep two variables in their minds at the same time

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SirPisserOfGreatness@reddit

Maybe you should go outside more

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midri@reddit

For quarter miles sure, but weight factors in a lot more when cornering. My Miata can hit a 90 degree then at 60mph reliably because it simply has less mass to compensate for when redirecting.

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WillieMakeit77@reddit

It’d still have a hard time beating a 350 horsepower car that weighed 1k lbs more around a race track though.

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Insertsociallife@reddit

A 42-horsepower Yamaha R3 will do it in 14.3 seconds according to Google, as fast as a 260hp mustang.

You can't think of "it takes 3,500lb to make up for 250hp". It doesn't scale like that. It's power to weight ratios. The Miata makes 35.9% of the power of the Titan and weighs 39.7% of the Titan and that's why they're so close.

If you are racing someone with twice the power, you need to be half the weight. Being lighter is everything.

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WillieMakeit77@reddit

The 3,500 lb figure that I threw out was just an arbitrary way of saying that it takes a bunch of weight reduced to make up for a sizeable power gap. Look at the R3 vs the 260 hp mustang. There’s a 218 hp and a 3k lb weight difference between the two vehicles that run the same 1/4 mile.

Yakb0@reddit

Hehehe. I have both of these vehicles atm, changing between the two is wild.

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Madeitup75@reddit

I had one for years. YES it is fun! It’s fun in a straight line but even more fun on big sweeping curves when you can accelerate and turn at the same time. Good handling, good brakes, good acceleration, good all around performance.

If it’s a stick shift, 2nd gear is where the acceleration is most impressive.

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bigcee42@reddit

That is a moderate amount of power, certainly enough to have fun.

400+ HP and you're in really fast car territory for this weight class.

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Mizar97@reddit

Yes, 300 is plenty. My WRX has 268 and I'm never bored or even tempted to mod it.

Anything over 300 is pointless anyway if you aren't going to the track. "Well my car has 700-" yeah ok, you get up to the speed limit 1 second faster. Then we're both stuck at the same red light.

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TetrisPlayer3223@reddit

I assure you, we don't go high power to drive speed limit, especially when there is none :).

No offense but saying "we will be stuck at the same red light" is showing ignorance on your side. Let's say you do drive the amazing american speed limit of 75 mph, the it's always fun to chose where to merge, not have to submit to the traffic.

And we don't care about being at the same traffic light, overtaking people, taking corners hard, sllwokg down and then stepping full gas is the fun, driving is the fun, it's not about time saving.

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Mizar97@reddit

Oh yeah i get that, I just find it funny when muscle cars will go flying past me and then refuse to make eye contact when we're stopped at the same light lol

SirLoremIpsum@reddit

Is 300hp enough to have fun?

Fun is a very relative term.

The NA MX-5 had 85 kW (114 hp), the newest ND has 135 kW (181 hp).

A Suzuki Jimny has 78 kW/105 hp.

Both are known as very fun cars and millions enjoy driving them

You need to come up with a better metric than a specific HP figure. Whether your 350z has 300 or 350 hp is probably not going to change your level of "Fun" at all.

Sure if it had 50 hp it might. But focus on what you find fun and the activities that do it rather than specific hp figures.

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Namikis@reddit

It is about the design of the car and how light it is the horsepower is secondary

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AdministrativeFly157@reddit

Generally yes, it’s more than enough for fun, assuming it doesn’t weigh too much (>3600 lbs or so). It’s probably not gonna throw you hard back in your seat, you’ll need serious power to do that.

I’m currently putting together a project that will have around 250 hp, more or less.

On the plus side, it’ll probably weigh around 1,400-1,500 pounds.

A very good power to weight ratio.

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runawaydrill@reddit

300 HP Golf R & GR Corolla are both extremely fun.

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theLogic1@reddit

Of course it is. You can have loads of fun with a lot less

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SnooChipmunks2079@reddit

I don't think I've had a car with more than about 200 hp, and every car I've owned has been more fun than whatever V6 mom-car (Galant, Camry, Camry) my wife had at the same time with similar (Galant) or considerably more (Camry 3.5L) rated hp.

Just in terms of "enough to get out of its own way and still run the AC" anything under around 150 probably kind of sucks - my first new car had about 110 iirc and it was just terribly slow with the AC running.

I had a 205hp 4 speed corvette and yes it was loads of fun.

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Dex_Maddock@reddit

cause I know 300 is prefect for a drift

I think you have a lot to learn about cars still....

If looking at nothing but HP numbers on a dyno is your only metric for "fun" you'll never have a fun car. There's always someone making more power.

It's all about power to weight ratio. Small car + moderate horsepower = BIG fun.

Lower horsepower cars that actually handle well, offer different kinds of fun also. Such as driving with the throttle WFO, and "power" shifting to your hearts content, and still not really speeding.

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SufficientWall_@reddit

I have fun with less than 200

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CaseyAnthonysMouth@reddit

A bit of an arbitrary number but 300 is fun in our rav but we not drifting that thing 😂

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PhysicsAndFinance85@reddit

More than enough if you know what you're doing. Realistically there's few things in this world more fun than driving a slow car as fast as you can without a care in the world lol

Honestly, though, most people claiming their car makes whatever horsepower are either using highly inaccurate disneyjet numbers or just pulling it out of their ass. Don't compare to idiots.

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Efficient_Roll22@reddit

I had a 2006 350z. Over the years I made it super clean but had to get rid of it due to my financial situation changing and didn’t know if I’d make enough money for gas and maintenance. Turns out I made even more money and I regret selling it. I had the most fun in it. It had enough power and was light enough to spin the wheels and I drifted it a bunch even with an open differential.

I eventually bought a Miata and I’ve been having a lot of fun with that. 2001 6spd. It’s harder to drift but obviously better in auto cross and the track. It’s almost ready for a turbo too. I have plenty of fun with it. I do miss my 350z just going sideways. I also had fun poking at R/T Chargers thinking they’re fast.

Depends on the weight of the vehicle.

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I drive a 66 horsepower car and thats fun as hell, and my friend's 45hp car is even more fun.

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Leading_Leader9712@reddit

The Mustang was back in the 80’s:

Stock Horsepower Highlights (1979–1993) 5.0L HO V8 (1987–1993): 225 hp @ 4200 RPM / 300 lb-ft torque @ 3200 RPM (GT/LX). 5.0L V8 (1986): 200 hp (Auto) or 225 hp (Manual). 5.0L V8 (1982–1985): Ranged from 157 hp to 210 hp. 1993 Cobra 5.0L: 235 hp. 2.3L Turbo (SVO/Turbo GT): 131–205 hp. 4.2L V8 (1980–1981): 118–120 hp.

A dump truck has 300 hp. Not sure most would call 0-60 in 20 seconds fun.

Depends on how heavy the car is.

For a compact sedan, 300 is more than plenty for fun factor.

For a mid-sized or what we call larger sedan these days, in the area of 350-400 hp / 400 torque is generally where you want to be.

BearvsShad@reddit

I have a blast on the twisty back roads in my WRX without needing to push it to the limits. It's nice having the power if I need it, but I think it would be just as fun with 50 less hp.

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OofNation739@reddit

Depending on vehicle weight and all that really I find 200-250hp a magical number of fast.

Like at 3000lbs-3500lbs 250-300hp is the number.

The lighter you are the less hp you need. Ive really wanted to get a 2000lbs 200hp monster. Where its light enough its closer to a 400hp traditional vehicle.

My dream lately has been to find a nice compact car from 80s like a escort or civic. Then go full on weight reduction and just suspension and light engine work. That would turn it into a street legal race car.

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_ask_me_about_trees_@reddit

My miata makes 120 and is a whole lot of fun

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dattosan240@reddit

Some of the most fun cars I've owned had less than 300hp and were all a total riot to drive.

95 Infiniti P10 5sp, 03 Maxima 6sp, 97 240SX 5sp, 78 280Z, 89 Lotus Esprit

All a blast to drive, all under 200hp. More fun to drive than my cars that have had over 300 or even 500hp.

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lenny446@reddit

I went from 170 in a legacy to 270 in a wrx and it’s so much fun

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JustAGuyTrynaSurvive@reddit

As others have posted here already, it's mostly horsepower to weight ratio. I would add to that gearing plays a significant role as does overall structure of the vehicle. In 2007 I had a job doing enclosed auto transport delivering Lamborghinis, Ferraris, and other high performance vehicles. I delivered a 1997 McLaren F1 to a guy in Oregon who must have had 30 or 40 Ferraris in the building I parked the car in for him along with six Lotuses. Lotuses look cool but they're extremely inexpensive compared to a Ferrari or a Lamborghini, and among people who are supercar owners or enthusiasts they are considered toys. So I asked this guy what was the deal with all the lotuses when he had so many Ferraris to choose from, and his reply was that they by far were the most fun to drive vehicle out of all of the cars that he owned, and this guy gave me a ride back to my truck in a Ferrari Enzo.

Below is a short blurb about 2008 lotus exiges, and then some of the specs and performance numbers. I am certain you can pick them up for less than $30,000 today as they were only 60 to 70,000 brand new if I remember correctly.

The 2008 Lotus Exige is a lightweight, track-focused sports car featuring a supercharged 1.8L 4-cylinder engine (Toyota 2ZZ-GE). It produces 220–240 hp, accelerating 0–60 mph in 4.0–4.1 seconds with a top speed of roughly 148–153 mph. Its ~2,077 lb curb weight, sharp handling, and 6-speed manual transmission offer extreme, go-kart-like performance.

Key Performance Metrics Engine: 1.8L Supercharged Inline-4 (2ZZ-GE). Power: 220 hp (standard S) to 240 hp (S 240/Club Racer). Torque: 165 lb-ft to 170 lb-ft. 0–60 mph: 4.0 – 4.1 seconds. 0–100 mph: ~11 seconds. Top Speed: 148–153 mph. Curb Weight: ~2,077 lbs. Transmission: 6-speed manual only.

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Leody@reddit

300 is plenty more than enough to have fun.

600 is more than enough to kill you in the blink of an eye.

Granted, most modern cars have enough safety features to keep you from going over the edge, but 300 is more than enough.

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WatchStoredInAss@reddit

No, you need 18,000hp.

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JustAGuyTrynaSurvive@reddit

In a motorcycle? Sure!

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No_South_9912@reddit

Mustang Ecoboost is over 300HP

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No_Base4946@reddit

30bhp is enough to have fun, in the right car.

You'll have more fun driving a piece of shit flat out everywhere than occasionally getting to use a fraction of a more capable vehicle.

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6StarBowtie@reddit

Definitely and its a responsible number to start at. Its why so many people wreck cars now a day, they're way faster out of the box than they used to be and people aren't prepared.

The 350 is gonna feel like a racecar and its a pretty solid platform performance wise so if get used to it and want to go faster theres a ton of options.

Our 140 HP Miata is more fun than our 300 HP STI.

Any manual sports car such as a Z is fun for so many reasons, especially compared to your current appliance / couch on wheels.

Go find an Autocross, your cheaks will hurt from all the smiles. It's the most fun you can have in a car with your pants on.

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MaximumDerpification@reddit

I've owned cars with way over 300hp and my current car is more fun than most of them.

It has 160hp.

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GunMaxxer@reddit

What car?

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MaximumDerpification@reddit

Abarth 500

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Informal_Ad4399@reddit

Owned a Barretta as my second car. Those got I think around 120 hp. Wasn't breaking any records, but man could she go when I wanted her to.

My buddy had a BRZ for about a year. That thing was really fun as well. Had well under 300 hp.

300 hp in a lighter car can be incredibly fun.

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jolsiphur@reddit

My buddy had a BRZ for about a year. That thing was really fun as well. Had well under 300 hp.

Well under. 1st gen BRZ is rated for about 200HP, second gen gets about 238. Both are incredibly fun.

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Timsmomshardsalami@reddit

So slow though it’s irritating

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MaximumDerpification@reddit

Back when I was a teen, a white-on-white Quad-4 Beretta GTZ was my dream car!

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Informal_Ad4399@reddit

Mine was graphite with a dark red interior.

I miss the car sometimes, but then I remember the interior in those sucked.

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PapiSpanky@reddit

Brother if you can't have fun in a manual 350Z with traction control turned off, then you're incapable of fun.

Forget horsepower and spec sheets, drive the car and see if it makes you grin from ear to ear. No other measure matters.

Hell I've had more fun a Miata than most other cars with a lot more power and better straight line speed.

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stomper4x4@reddit

Some of the most fun cars I've ever driven were low HP.

300 HP is plenty to get you in trouble lol. Think about it, 300HP is a good number from the legendary muscle car days.

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TacitRonin20@reddit

I drive a station wagon that probably makes close to 300 at the crank by now. It's plenty of fun even in a boat like that. The 350Z will be a blast. Just be careful and get used to the car before trying anything too wild.

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ZaphodG@reddit

A 1967 MGB has 95 horsepower.

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sangfoudre@reddit

Try 120 on a 900 kg car, it's gonna be more fun than 300 on a 3 tons suv

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shadire@reddit

Fun is subjective. Horsepower is subjective. What really matters is what you enjoy out of a car.

As someone who owns a 300hp WRX and a 515hp Scat, I can tell you in my own experience 300hp is a lot more enjoyable. I barely get to enjoy the Scat outside of the track for worry of possibly getting slapped with reckless driving or worse.

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bigtony8978@reddit

Yes

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Embarrassed_Ad1722@reddit

Had a 70bhp Peugeot 205 with faulty brakes long time ago and no car to this day beats it on fun...and terror.

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Hopeful-Mirror1664@reddit

It all comes down to the power to weight ratio. 300hp in 2300 pound car is a very different experience than 300hp in 4200 pound car.

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55bhp and 1200lbs and you've got a giant-killing legend that is still ranked as the most fun you can have in a car:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini#Mark_I:_1959%E2%80%931967

Power means nothing, power-to-weight and handling are where it's at. Colin Chapman was right.

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Intrepid-Focus8198@reddit

First fun car I had was a rover 114 gti about 100hp.

So much fun to drive.

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Zheiko@reddit

Its all relative... 60hp rental is a LOT of fun if you pay for full insurance.

800hp $300k supercar will be less fun than that, I can almost guarantee it.

200hp miata will be perfect

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Beer_Snacks@reddit

I track a car with ~225 and that’s enough to have fun. You’ll have plenty of fun with the Z

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JP147@reddit

If you have to ask, it is probably too much.
300hp in a 350z is more than enough to kill you if you are inexperienced or get too confident.

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PercentageNo3293@reddit

Like others said, depends.

My buddy's newer Miata was more fun than his older G35. Nearly half the power, but nearly half the weight.

eeveep@reddit

A 300bhp 350z should be heaps. Chuck some Goodrides and a decent wheel alignment on it and you'll be able get her sliding.

The worst thing about those Zs is the engine bay is a knucklekiller to work in.

My MX-5 was fun at stock power. Was arguably perfection at 200 and is downright foolish at about 260.

Hot-History8911@reddit

I have fun on a mountainbike

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gpowerf@reddit

One of the most fun cars I've driven only had 210bhp and dry weight of just 525kg. And yes it was road legal... barely! This was before EVs came along and it was one of the fastest things on the road then.

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Alternative_Dust1245@reddit

Have you ever ridden a bicycle? 1/3 of a hrsprs is enough if it's properly applied

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ThirdSunRising@reddit

What kind of stupid question is this. A 5hp Honda lawnmower engine is enough to make a go kart fun. There are tons of super fun to drive cars with two digit horsepower ratings. And there are tons of boring shitboxes with 200+hp.

Straight line speed really isn’t that much fun. It’s nice to have for normal driving, but recently driving 400, 520 and even 674hp cars is meh. “Yes, it’s quite lively” was my reaction to the Zeekr 7x. But it wasn’t much of a car to drive because it fell apart trying to corner hard. Conversely, the 440i at the bottom of that power range put down amazing cornering.

300hp is plenty of power to be a fun car but it takes way more than that.

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ArrozConChopsticks@reddit

330hp in my stock M37x is fun for me.

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DingBat99999@reddit

I owned a gen 1 MR2 and those only had about 120 hp. Most fun Ive ever had w a car.

My Mazdaspeed3 had 263 hp and that felt downright dangerous at times.

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Commercial-Bluejay59@reddit

Yes! My 245 HP Z3 is tons of fun. It's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow.

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axiomata@reddit

Ask AI to make you a table for Top Cars (<$60k) — HP per Ton per $1000 (Sorted)

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axiomata@reddit

Here's top 30:

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ButchDeanCA@reddit

Yes, 300hp is awesome. It is said that that isn’t enough to kill you but enough to get you in trouble. Note that any car can kill you so don’t be reckless but it gets the point across.

It really depends on what kinds of roads you have access to. If you live in Florida or Texas where every road is straight and flat, you need big power to have fun driving. If you live near windy new England roads or have a California canyon in your back yard, you can have a blast with a lot less power.

I had a shitload of fun in a 56 hp CRX.

I also had a ton of fun in a G35 coupe, likely the same engine as that 350Z but a couple hundred ponds heavier car.

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bandit1206@reddit

Yes, unless you’re driving a barge.

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Wigberht_Eadweard@reddit

Honestly if it’s got torque to match, a barge can be extremely fun at 300hp or even less—see the Buick roadmaster and impala ss of the 90s

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bandit1206@reddit

Not what I had in mind when I said a barge.

Gotcha, I don’t fit in Miatas so I’ve never really followed them.

As I've gotten older I've learned that there's more to having fun in a vehicle than HP. What matters to me is torque and handling.

I've had more fun at 30-40 mph on a mountain road than I ever had on a wide open interstate.

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NuclearHateLizard@reddit

Absolutely. Weight of the car makes a big difference too. Some of those cars mentioned are chonkers, literally in excess of double the weight of some sports cars

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Just-Evidence-5349@reddit

300 is about double what your average econo box is. Social media has made anything less than 700 seem “useless” or “slow” but try telling me that in a solid 450 N/A LS build in sub 2500 lb frame. So yes, 300 is fine man, don’t let the social media HP bloat convince you need to do a full VQ build because it won’t keep up with guys who have more money then brains, also please for the love of god don’t put an exhaust on that, we don’t need more trumpets.

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badhoopty@reddit

i got a 98 ls1 firebird ws6 with 340hp and its a goddamn hoot.

Pull, Dig, and Nissan in the same sentence.

I foresee a bumper less; curbed, how much to fix this? Reddit post after rearranging the drivetrain around unmovable objects.

The most fun I’ve ever had in a car was with a 60hp Ford Ka.

Power to weight ratio!

DELAZ1@reddit

Its all about weight. 15HP go-karts are a blast to drive

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Civil-Departure-512@reddit

A little over 300hp seems to be the sweet spot for most vehicles. I’ve got 333hp in my Q7 and it’s a lot of fun to drive

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Repulsive_Machine933@reddit (OP)

awesome thank you!

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ads1031@reddit

And I've got 335 hp in my i4, which weighs approximately 4,700 pounds. It's fun.

Slow car fast is a real thing

It is a real thing that also helps you not get written tickets all the time..

Lots of slow but fun as hell cars.

If you ever get the chance to drive a real vintage lotus do it. I have had an elan s2 and an elan +2.

The s2 weighed 1400 pounds and 105 hp. It was a hoot and a half. You just giggle the whole time driving that thing.

Horsepower is not the whole answer to fun sometimes. It is just easy now to have it.

It’s all relative.

WebNo81@reddit

give you a rush

My Audi S3 is 299hp, and it’s plenty of fun. Loads of speed too.

ber808@reddit

I started with a ka24de 240sx making 155 hp stock and that was fun af drifting but when i built the motor and boosted it i was making 350ish whp and that was fun on a different level. That 350ish whp was far more fun than the 400ish wheel im making with my 05 gto but thats also 600lbs or so weight difference. I drove a friends miata and hitting mountains was super fun and that had maybe 150 whp. Its all dependent on what you are doing.

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Repulsive_Machine933@reddit (OP)

I plan to do the occaisonal pull and and some simple sliding with transfers maybe. throw in the some roundabouts. maybe comepletely empty parking lots. im big into drifting if you havent picked up on that hah. and i know that 300 is perfect for drifting. great sweet spot

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ber808@reddit

I started drifting in 2006 lol im old now but still drift on occasion but my gto isnt that great for it haha for me the sweet spot is 500-600. You can have a ton of fun with less but you need more speed and thats harder and more dangerous. A few of my friends has 350z and they always ended up boosting them and its a far better experience.

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