Do Americans really take violence against teenagers and children very seriously?
Posted by Big_Country_4163@reddit | AskAnAmerican | View on Reddit | 298 comments
Hello Americans,
I’m an 18-year-old Brazilian woman, and I’ve noticed that in the U.S., violence against children and teenagers seems to be taken more seriously.
From videos online, I’ve seen people take this seriously. In Brazil, it’s often not like that. Some parents hit their children, sometimes even to hurt their partner after a separation.
Children and teenagers are often physically punished, and parents are usually seen as right, even in situations like this.
If it’s different in the U.S., I really admire that.
Technical-Prize-4840@reddit
Yeah, physical punishment is heavily frowned upon. Leaving Mark's on a child is considered abuse and can result in the patent losing custody.
PureMichiganMan@reddit
Worth noting it varies culturally in the U.S.
Some groups are the opposite and even more commonly frown upon not beating and berating your children. I’m not saying this as an attack toward either, but for example most black Americans would say you’re failing, too soft, etc and are more likely to do more than just simple spanking. This is backed by data as well, and as someone who grew up in an area where I had zero white friends until I was a teenager, definitely something I witnessed myself. It’s a common joke that white parents are weak and let their children walk over them, and for any videos of misbehavior even by very little kids will insist on needing to hit them. I’ve had countless arguments and attempts to educate on the fact it leads to worse outcomes. On the bright side among youth it is becoming a less common view, but is still certainly held. Some other groups like Latinos have higher rates as well.
This of course doesnt mean whites don’t do it or that all of those groups do though, but is a nuance that’s important to mention.
Older people of all races also generally are of this mindset, and those living in more impoverished communities like where I come from are also more likely to in general, which is definitely a factor in racial differences with rates with the history of racial injustice leading to disparities economically, and the culture that comes out of that reality.
You are definitely correct legally too, and overall as a nation we have become very different on this; albeit among the more conservative they seek to bring back even letting teachers use corporal punishment, something my dad was very harshly a victim of (and told things like they were beating the savage of him, as he’s Native American and darker skinned)
Remote_Ocelot9600@reddit
I am black. Whippings weren't common, but I was belted when I did serious wrong and not accident wrong.
I belted my kids when they earned it. Again, rare but it did happen. My kids belt my grandkids if they earn it.
It's not abuse. We are also, most of us, lawyers. There is nothing illegal about belting.
Gomic_Gamer@reddit
Belting is abuse, there is no "when they earned it", this isn't a liberal-invented idea either, child-psychology research shows that it does far more damage than good. Also, what in the actual fuck could a child do that would be "serious wrong"? Did they lied? They don't trust you. Do they cause trouble and are mischievous? They lack healthy attention and feel unloved. By beating, you teach them that these feelings are bad, and I absolutely hate it when this is dressed up in "Oh we love you!" language. It creates wrong expectations on the individual, and it seems like you have perpetuated a generational abuse. It makes one feel guilty of their own actions that were misguided because, surprise surprise, children are not adults. You have been victim of this too it seems, as you said:
which is justifying an unjustifiable act.
Also, it is illegal in USA.
Remote_Ocelot9600@reddit
It is not illegal. Corporal punishment is perfectly legal.
Gomic_Gamer@reddit
Yes seems like it is in Oklahoma, but that doesn't makes it okay, slavery was legal too.
Remote_Ocelot9600@reddit
It is legal in all fifty states. Many schools still legally use the paddle across the country. There is no difference between a belt and a paddle.
PureMichiganMan@reddit
It is abuse. What were your serious wrongs?
I’m curious though how far you consider too far, and what all makes them “earn it”?
What in your mind makes the distinction between being right to do it to children but not to spouses and others?
Also are you aware it’s pretty settled science and research that’s spanned several decades with massive amounts of participants indicate it most often leads to worse behaviors, mental issues, etc? Are you open to being wrong? I get it’s very ingrained and all, and culturally so, but it is just the reality. That being said though I would like to hear your answers to those questions
Remote_Ocelot9600@reddit
My serious wrongs? I remember getting the belt when I was young and fitting, I hit my older sister. I got the belt for striking a woman. I remember getting the belt as my Father said "act like a N, get beat like one". When I was slightly older I stole a comic I wanted but I had been grounded. I got the belt for that. The last time I got the belt, I was 12. My Father belted me for lying to him. Those were the three times I was belted.
Too far? Open wounds. Lasting damage beyond a welt. I don't suggest taking an extension cord to your child, obviously.
The distinction? Easy. Spare the rod, spoil the child. I believe in discipline, not abuse.
I believe that, in my case, I was only belted once out of anger. That came from striking my sister. My Father watched his mother be beaten by men she dated. He was very firm about not striking a woman. The times I belted my children, it was never done out of anger. It was done out of duty to raise responsible adults.
Those sciences also don't focus on children where it is done correctly. Doing it daily, for spilling milk, for slight back talk, etc is pointless.
FrenchFreedom888@reddit
Great comment! It explains everything very well!
I'm Gen Z from Oklahoma, and my parents definitely spanked me plenty as a child. However, I think that is child abuse and will not be hitting my children as punishment. However, my parents are definitely better than their parents, who were likely better about this than their parents. For instance, I have never been told when misbehaving to go outside and find a switch so that my parent can whip me with it.
OwnTurn1146@reddit
Im pretty sure the mark has to be visible for so many hours afterwards to be abuse.
Almost 40% of states still allow corporal punishment in school. Shoutout to Alabama where my mom once told a principal that she'd break his paddle over his ass if he hit her kids ever. That was her privilege alone 🙄
FrenchFreedom888@reddit
"Child abuse is bad unless I'm the one doing the abusing!"
Anyway, I'm from Oklahoma and corporal punishment is also still legal in schools here. It's up to each school district whether they do it or not, and I have never heard of a district that still allows it
Gomic_Gamer@reddit
Holy molly! It's up to school? It's literally banned in Turkey here, and teachers would get fired if a child told their parent that a teacher even yelled a kid. Can't believe USA is like that.
FrenchFreedom888@reddit
A teacher might get fired for the same offense, here. All I was saying is that it is up to the individual municipality weather corporal punishment is approved for their staff to use on kids or not.
The US is not a monolith. This is something that a lot of foreigners who live in unitary states struggle to understand. Local culture and the laws of each specific state matter a huge amount
Remote_Ocelot9600@reddit
The line for abuse is usually officers discretion. A belt that leaves a red mark will not meet the threshold of abuse. Open wounds from a whipping would.
Big_Country_4163@reddit (OP)
My father once broke my nose when he was angry at my mother, and the police did nothing. Most people say that parents are sacred and should not be confronted, and that is completely wrong. I was shocked to see that there are parents out there with common sense and a good heart. I used to leave the house early so my father wouldn’t do that again. I’m a woman, and a man stronger and taller than me hitting me just because he’s angry is inhumane. I don’t even consider him my father anymore. Thank you all for your kindness in responding.
paradisetossed7@reddit
I grew up in the 90s and from my mom the worst I ever got was a pop on the bum when I was little. My dad was more violent, but in ways that didn't leave marks. If anyone had known what he was doing, child protective services would've been there. My husband and I have never hit our kid, ever, not even a bum smack, and tbh the thought of hurting him makes me sick.
SkyPuppy561@reddit
That’s awful!! My mom was abusive so my dad got custody of me. He never laid a finger on me. At least with an abusive mother, as I got older, I had a chance to fight back lol
life_experienced@reddit
>My dad disciplined me just fine by telling me when he was disappointed in me
My kids have always said this is what they hated most!
HylianEngineer@reddit
Yeah I was a very well behaved kid (not in a good way, in an undiagnosed anxiety disorder way) and the times my parents were disappointed in me haunt me to this day. I still feel intense shame remembering them.
SkyPuppy561@reddit
Indeed! I’m a people pleaser and still at age 34, ensure I make that man proud! Haha
QuinceDaPence@reddit
In the US a man breaking his daughters nose out of anger would be lucky if the cops get to him first.
In much/most of the US, the mother could probably use lethal force against him in that situation and very likely not even get charged or even arrested if it's clear enough what happened at the time.
Broad_Tie9383@reddit
I know this is the perception, but it isn't very accurate. Women are constantly punished very harshly for using lethal force against abusive partners, including ones who hit their kids. When I lived with my abusive father, I thought if I had to hurt him to protect my mother, I'd be ok, but I have learned a lot more since then and I'm really glad I never had to find out the hard way.
J4m3s_gloomcore@reddit
This is smooth, I can’t lie
rott@reddit
You grew up in an abusive household, this isn’t normal or acceptable anywhere. Not in Brazil, either.
ProudLawfulness1826@reddit
I’m so sorry that happened to you. That is abuse, and you deserved so much better. Sending hugs.
SabresBills69@reddit
when I was a kid in the 70s/80s hitting kids for bad behavior ( corporal punishment) was socially allowed. things changed in the 90s as psychologists and child development specialists mentioned what this was causing. now it’s not socially acceptable and assault chargers on the parent can occur when 40+ yrs ago it woukdnt.
Travelsat150@reddit
In the late sixties when the Catholic school stopped providing transportation to their school 15 miles away all the kids came to our high school. The stories you’d hear about rulers and punishments were outrageous. None of that would fly now. Kids used to get hit pretty badly up by their dads if they were in trouble. My dad always made a point of saying “I’d never lay a hand on any of my kids” and he didn’t. But he told us to watch out for certain people. Ugh.
Laiko_Kairen@reddit
No amount of violence in a household is acceptable. I don't care what culture you are. You shouldn't have to live in fear, and you don't deserve that treatment
Littleboypurple@reddit
Yeah, your Dad would 100% be thrown in jail if you were in the US. That is some genuinely wild and sadistic stuff. Attacking the child just to make the other parent upset is a whole different level of fucked up. Physical punishment towards children in the United States has been on the decline and it should stay that way
dontforgettowriteme@reddit
I'm really sorry for your childhood experience. You didn't deserve that treatment and the man previously known as your father is a vile human being for not only doing that to you but for skewing your worldview.
But also, child abuse like that does happen in the US. I hope that's coming across. But it's also punished. Even in the prison hierarchy, child abusers are at the bottom.
ZHISHER@reddit
That would absolutely not fly here. That is loss of custody and jail time.
LinuxLinus@reddit
That would be felony assault with domestic violence, and my office would have prosecuted your father for it, so long as you were willing to participate in the prosecution.
chillannyc2@reddit
I'm very sorry that was your childhood. They were wrong. You didn't deserve it
ceanahope@reddit
This is from sitting on a jury around a child abuse case (I am usong a real example of a case that was closed a year ago now).
If a mandated reporter sees you toss something at the ground in frustration near a child and it bounces and hits the child you could possibly go to court for battery, at minimum be looked at by child protective services.
Remote_Ocelot9600@reddit
Leaving an open wound.
Leaving a red mark? That is not abuse.
IStoleYourTea@reddit
Physical punishment is definitely not frowned upon in America
Remote_Ocelot9600@reddit
Depends. I had cps called once for my wife belting our daughter.
BoysenberryUnhappy29@reddit
Yes, child abuse is continually more and more frowned upon as time goes on. Spanking is archaic, even.
LazHuffy@reddit
I get the sense that in a lot of places in the U.S. spanking is now seen as what the uneducated or those who lack emotional regulation do. I was spanked and got the belt a few times; now it seems insane - what was the point? It didn’t change anything except me choosing to not be close to my dad. Spanking as behavioral modification now seems like a crazy belief we should’ve put away long ago. But people still believe a lot of crazy shit so maybe it will always be around.
Remote_Ocelot9600@reddit
My parents are both highly successful lawyers. They belted. My children are, mostly, college graduates. The older ones with kids old enough belt. It is not uneducated.
SmallBeanKatherine@reddit
There's more than one way to be educated, to be fair. You could be a brilliant lawyer who reads plenty of books, yet not know how to discipline a kid without slapping them. Or you could know how to do things differently, yet lack the emotional intelligence to care.
Remote_Ocelot9600@reddit
Correct. It's realizing that we are raising black children. When white children misbehave in society, they are given community service and a stern talking to. When black children misbehave, they are shot.
The belt is far less severe.
SkiingAway@reddit
Every piece of available evidence is that physically assaulting your children to attempt to get them to behave, leads to significantly worse emotional regulation and behavior - both in childhood and later in life as adults.
You may be thinking you are accomplishing that. In reality you are only making it more likely that they act out in society as teens and young adults.
And in your language - making it more likely they wind up in jail or shot, not less.
You are certainly well aware of the racial disparity in perpetrators of crimes. That's not innate behavior either. There's nothing about being black that makes you inherently more likely to murder someone. That's a societal problem.
And the fact that black parents are much more likely to physically assault their children to try to get them to behave, is one of the many contributors to it.
Remote_Ocelot9600@reddit
All of my children are grown now. None of them have had issues with the law. They have all gone to college, the youngest hasn't graduated but some have with law degrees. But yes, by all means. Explain how they will behave poorly.
PureMichiganMan@reddit
There’s people who grew up extremely abused in ways nobody would deny, but they can still turn out as kind well to do people, it’s about the statistical probability. Genuinely recommend reading up on. And be mindful of your own bias while you do too; as since you grew up doing it, did it to your kids which taught them to do it to theirs, it’s going to be very difficult for you to accept as it would be 99% of people, it’s a normal human reaction.
PureMichiganMan@reddit
Evidently given the rates of victimization of violence, it isn’t exactly helping. And I have never met a single real criminal who was “gentle parented” it was always the opposite.
Remote_Ocelot9600@reddit
Most are raised without fathers in the house. It's an epidemic.
PureMichiganMan@reddit
With mothers who act extra with punishments tho
Physical_Floor_8006@reddit
Spanking is far from archaic. Maybe not the most common method these days, but it's still alive and well.
BoysenberryUnhappy29@reddit
It's less than a third of parents, now. And it's been on a downward trend for a very long time.
The average American parent doesn't spank anymore, let alone hit with a fist or slap.
Lizzy_In_Limelight@reddit
Genuine question: Do people consider slapping worse than spanking, like a closed fist? Or is it lesser? I got slapped all the time, but it was treated as a lesser, more immediate correction than when I was spanked, so I'm curious how others view this.
(Clarity for OP: I'm an American, born in 1991, but I was raised in a household that would be considered abusive. I believe hitting children in any form is wrong, I'm just curious what others think since my rearing wasn't the norm.)
Physical_Floor_8006@reddit
Slapping is much worse I would think (except in some extreme cases of super brutal spanking vs. soft slapping). They're both wrong tho.
HylianEngineer@reddit
I agree. I'm not sure why though - faces have less padding so maybe it'd hurt more but I've never been hit either way so I really don't know. I think part of it is likely a cultural difference in acceptability rather than solely how painful or violent the action is.
Lizzy_In_Limelight@reddit
Interesting, thank you!
Mr_Kittlesworth@reddit
Slapping (on the face) is worse than spanking but better than punching by far.
If spanking is a 2, I’d consider slapping on the face a 5 and punching a 9.
Lizzy_In_Limelight@reddit
Fascinating, thank you!
meadoweravine@reddit
Do you mean you were slapped on the face? No, they are both abusive to me. Pain is not an appropriate "correction" for anyone, but especially a small child.
Lizzy_In_Limelight@reddit
Yeah, usually on the cheek/face. And I wholeheartedly agree. It just occurred to me when I read the above comment that I'd never really examined the "hierarchy" of hitting in my family. Thankfully that's a long time ago now. ❤️
meadoweravine@reddit
I'm glad it's long past for you ❤️
Remote_Ocelot9600@reddit
That is a stat reliant on people being honest. Most will lie.
BoysenberryUnhappy29@reddit
So your theory is that people have been spanking at the same rate, but just progressively lying about it more and more over time?
Okay then.
Remote_Ocelot9600@reddit
Do you believe that a paper, that took a sample of 4000 children, which had a criteria of needing to have a landline, a criteria of caring to answer, a criteria of wanting to answer this specific question, and being completely truthful, is correct?
Do you believe that the people that would agree to answer this are not predisposed to say no, knowing the social stigma in many places?
Okay then.
Physical_Floor_8006@reddit
A third is a lot. That's like 120 million people in a family that spanks.
SylvarGrl@reddit
Cycles of generational trauma can be pretty hard to break. Some ideologies won’t be swayed by any amount of evidence. Some communities (especially rural ones) are more accepting of corporal punishment than others, some are convinced (by the teachings of their faith-notably archaic in its origin) that it is necessary to build “moral fiber”.
Master-Collection488@reddit
Past that even, there's the whole "My parents spanked us as kids when we deserved it, and there's nothing wrong with ME!"
Yeah, except that you hit your kids when they anger you, and you're passing on that shit to yet another generation.
n00bdragon@reddit
If you think spanking starts and ends with anger that's just not true. My parents spanked the shit out of me, but never once did they do it in anger. Proper spanking as a punishment rather than retribution is very effective. You can't lump the two together anymore than you can lump spanking with punching because they both involve physical contact. Intent and mindset matters.
shelwood46@reddit
Not to the person being hit.
BoysenberryUnhappy29@reddit
I agree, it's way higher than it should be. But there's no evidence the downward trend is stopping, especially as more and more data comes out demonstrating how much it affects children.
Classic-Push1323@reddit
I wouldn’t describe a practice as archaic if 1/3 of parents do it. That’s quite common.
MyUsername2459@reddit
No, it's barbaric and archaic.
Physically assaulting a child in the name of discipline is absolutely insane.
I wonder how they'd feel about spanking if police just beat them up during a traffic stop in lieu of issuing them a speeding ticket, since they're such fans of arbitrary corporal punishment.
Physical_Floor_8006@reddit
I'm not condoning spanking, it is just very much still practiced and not archaic. That said, comparing policing beating someone to a pat on the butt is the straw-man of the century.
MyUsername2459@reddit
No, it's not a strawman, it's a very apt comparison.
They're both arbitrary use of physical force and pain as punishments.
I honestly don't see no moral or ethical difference between spanking a child and a police officer punishing someone during a traffic stop by beating them with a nightstick and leaving them bleeding on the side of the road as they drive off, in lieu of giving them a speeding ticket.
As a child who was physically assaulted regularly in school as a child at a school that allowed spanking, I endure lifelong emotional trauma from the assaults I endured through state-sponsored and state-approved violence against children.
SkiingAway@reddit
On your last note, for the people who think it's necessary to get kids to behave: I like to point out that NJ has a complete ban on it in both public and private schools since 1867 and regularly ranks at or near the top for educational outcomes in this country.
Physical_Floor_8006@reddit
I mean I support you and that's sounds terrible, but you're only considering the worst case scenario. Also, the situations are not morally equivalent. The dynamic between a police officer and a citizen is different than that of a parent and child. A police officer can't send you to bed and a parent can't shoot you. They have some superficial overlap and are both enforcement mechanisms, for sure, but that is the extent of it. They are otherwise wildly different contexts.
BoysenberryUnhappy29@reddit
You've got some studies to read and some self reflection to do.
Physical_Floor_8006@reddit
Self reflection for what? I just said I don't condone spanking lmao. It's just not the same as police brutality in the slightest.
BoysenberryUnhappy29@reddit
I'm addressing calling spanking "a pat on the butt."
This is exactly the kind of justifying language people who don't take it seriously use. How curious.
Physical_Floor_8006@reddit
Sure, but I don't spank, so I don't see why that would be an issue on my part. Moreover, some parents are doing just that, patting their kid sternly on the butt. If you're comparing it to police brutality, you can ignore the softer cases. I agree that beating your kid if horrific, but not that all spanking is at the level of brutality.
MyUsername2459@reddit
It's state-sponsored physical violence used as punishment for noncompliance.
When I was a child, my parents didn't spank. . .but the schools did. I had a first grade teacher who would hit you with a paddle, three strikes for literally any misconduct, no matter how small.
Talking out of turn? Desk too dirty? Handwriting not legible? Being too loud?
All punished with spanking. All done over my parents objections. All approved by state law, and school policy.
It's physical violence, used by the state, rather arbitrarily.
Physical_Floor_8006@reddit
Yeah, I think most parents (even those who spank) would agree with you these days. It's unfortunate it used to be like that.
Remote_Ocelot9600@reddit
I belted my children. I had two choices. Raise respectable black children, or spare the rod and see them shot by a cop for acting poorly.
cwcam86@reddit
Theres nothing barbaric about spanking. I got spanked by my parents and principals growing up. I'll spank my kid if they fuck up too. It works. I quit fucking up once my dad and principal started lighting my ass up in middle school.
buffilosoljah42o@reddit
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but police violence is alive and well in America.
Impressive_Sun_1132@reddit
It may be happening. That doesnt make it not draconian
Many-Rub-6151@reddit
Depends. If it’s structured and not from rage, I think it’s acceptable. I personally wouldn’t do it but I’m not going to tell someone how to raise their kids as long as it doesn’t become abuse.
imnottheoneipromise@reddit
We teach our kids that hitting other people is wrong. So why the fuck would you, a grown ass whole adult, much bigger than your child, hit them as “punishment?” You see how silly that is, and how hitting your child even as punishment is abuse?
cwcam86@reddit
There's a difference between hitting and spanking. I was never hit by my parents or principals but I was spanked.
imnottheoneipromise@reddit
lol okay. You go ahead and keep justifying child abuse in your head with whatever copium you need to use. If you take your upper limb and swing it forcefully and make contact with another person with your body part or something your hand is holding, that is the very definition of hitting.
Many-Rub-6151@reddit
A structured spanking is not “abuse”. My main point is don’t tell folks how to raise their own children, I’m staying out of it
meadoweravine@reddit
There is no such thing as a *structured spanking" and I will freely tell people not to abuse children. The fact that you think child abuse shouldn't be spoken against is worrying, tbh. No child deserves that.
Many-Rub-6151@reddit
Absolutely is. All spankings are not the same, there are degrees. Theres controlled spankings and ass beatings, the latter is clearly unacceptable.
meadoweravine@reddit
An adult who is truly in control of themselves would never hurt a child on purpose. Inflicting pain is not a disciplinary method, it's a sign of being intensely out of control and a danger to those around you.
Many-Rub-6151@reddit
Yeah. They’ll just hurt them with words instead with passive aggressive games, which I would contend is more damaging. Spanking someone doesn’t necessarily mean its hurting the child, like I said theres varying degrees
Detonation@reddit
Some people really do pick the dumbest hills to die on.
Bob_Kark@reddit
Children understand things other than pain. I’ve never had a reason to spank my kids and I’m glad they’re neither afraid of me nor see violence as a means to resolve conflict.
Also, we do tell people how to raise their kids. There are laws against all types of abuse. There should be laws against this type.
BadPom@reddit
Hitting someone is abuse, no matter what cutesy name they call it. I can’t hit my boss. I can’t hit my husband. I can’t hit my mother. But for some goddamn reason I can hit my kid? The human I chose to create who depends on me for survival, love and safety? Vile.
All the studies say it’s detrimental to development, full stop. If a child isn’t old enough to reason, they don’t know why they’re being hit. If a child is old enough to reason, why would you hit them? Fear is not respect. Fear is not behaving.
Many-Rub-6151@reddit
You’re thinking it in binary terms. Telling a kid why they’re getting the spanking while the parent is showing that they don’t enjoy it, all while in a controlled manner, is fine in my books. Better than the mind games, neglect, or passive aggressive punishments many of these parents that oppose spankings do instead.
PsychoFaerie@reddit
What kind of fucked parents are you around? I never did any of that.. nor did I spank my child she got age appropriate punishments. (Time out... grounding.. no tv.. etc)
Many-Rub-6151@reddit
Glad that worked for you
n00bdragon@reddit
I agree with you completely. You're getting dogpiled on, but you're telling the truth. There is a proper place for spanking.
Many-Rub-6151@reddit
Yeah I just think it’s self-righteous to say all spanking is bad, even if there are different degrees of physical punishment. Again, it isn’t my style but I wouldn’t judge people that do it, of course as long as they aren’t raging on their kids and leaving serious damage.
Aprils-Fool@reddit
That’s a lot of rules for “how to hit kids”. Maybe just don’t hit kids.
Many-Rub-6151@reddit
And there aren’t a lot rules on how to reprimand kids verbally, got it.
Aprils-Fool@reddit
Hitting children is abuse.
Throwawaydontgoaway8@reddit
Your state allows it as long as it doesn’t leave a mark just fyi if you wanted to change that
Aprils-Fool@reddit
Change what?
Throwawaydontgoaway8@reddit
The laws on what constitutes child abuse. You seem to be against hitting kids. I taught there for 13 years. Can’t tell you how many DCF/CPS cases I had dismissed cause “it didn’t leave a mark” id recommend voting for people that want that changed
notonrexmanningday@reddit
1000%
SylvarGrl@reddit
If corporal punishment was an acceptable form of remediation we would still have public floggings. Violence begets violence.
Many-Rub-6151@reddit
I’d contend it’s a different issue, one is a public display of terror for an adult. One is just a private, physical reprimanding of a little kid that might need it. Some kids, words just aren’t enough. Again I won’t do it but I won’t judge someone that does, as long as the kid isn’t getting abused
Physical_Floor_8006@reddit
I mean there are degrees to it, but I would generally agree. Either way, it isn't really so much archaic as it is just a little old school.
Souledex@reddit
Among the generation of people actively creating new people it’s seen as archaic.
Self-Comprehensive@reddit
I raised my kids in the 90s and 2000s and never laid a hand on them. It seemed archaic to me 30 years ago
baalroo@reddit
The only folks I've known who hit their children are certainly "archaic" in many of their opinions and lifestyle choices.
Victor_Stein@reddit
I was only ever spanked once as a kid. threatened with it plenty but only ever happens for real when I destroyed the toilet and my parents had to buy a new one.
Figgler@reddit
I was spanked by my mom as a kid, she saw it as the way you punish bad behavior. My dad refused to ever lay a hand on us, because he was actually beaten as a child. I understand why my mom felt it was a way to punish us, but I lean towards my dad being the correct one. I refuse to hit my kids for any reason.
hiddentalent@reddit
I just can't even fathom raising a hand toward them unless they were literally attacking me with a weapon. It kind of makes me nauseous even thinking about it. Our job is to protect them.
FrenchFreedom888@reddit
Exactly. That's my thought now. I'm so glad my eyes were opened to this, instead of just me not thinking about it and doing it with my kids because that's how my parents raised me, as I am sure many in my generation will unfortunately do
FrenchFreedom888@reddit
Same here, except my dad still spanked us, just less than my mom.
I think it's very interesting that we have, as a culture, separated the meanings of "hit a child" and "spank a child". Where a spanking involves hitting them, but through word choice, we have indicated one to be bad and one to be good
Downtown_Ganache6727@reddit
My mom used to spank me and my sisters until the day they lied and told her I had pushed them into the mud and got their nice dresses dirty (I didn’t). She spanked me and didn’t let me go to the family party that afternoon. When the rest of the family got home, my sisters apparently felt bad and fessed up that I didn’t push them. My mom has told me as an adult that she felt so, so terrible in that moment bc she spanked me for no reason, and never spanked any of us again after that.
TrixieLurker@reddit
My father would only physically spank us (the worst offenses were with the board) when we did something really bad. My mother though would hit me for relatively small offenses, and she was the one severely abused as a child.
creamer143@reddit
No, it's still pretty common. It's just not the dominant form of punishment anymore.
CigaretteWaterX@reddit
Depends greatly on the subculture. The rates of corporal punishment are wildly different depending on what type of american you're looking at.
Plus_Duty479@reddit
In US prisons, the criminals who are incarcerated for harming children are despised and treated worse than the most notorious murderers in that same prison.
That should tell you everything you need to know.
Pennylanetheclown@reddit
Corporal punishment, yes. Other forms of violence, no. Gun violence is the number one killer of kids in the US and we continue to do not a damn thing about it
morgannatane@reddit
it is different here, and although it might be a part of the Brazilian culture, the facts are no one deserves to be hurt
WindSong001@reddit
All vulnerable people are supposed to be protective in the United States
SkyPuppy561@reddit
*protected
WindSong001@reddit
Thank you!
SkyPuppy561@reddit
No problem!
DriverFirm2655@reddit
“Some parents hit their children, sometimes even to hurt their partner”
That’s just evil
ComprehensivePeanut5@reddit
A lot of us acknowledge that children and teens are full human beings with their own personalities, rather than seeing them as property or assets or belongings. Full human beings deserve to be treated with basic respect and dignity, even when they’re under 18.
Sea-Astronomer-6600@reddit
Unfortunately violence whether it be against a spouse or child happens everywhere in the world but YES the penalties here in the US are no joke if you are charged and convicted of abuse! Even animal abuse is a felony in the US.
Enough-Secretary-996@reddit
However in some states animal abuse may not apply to all animals (cough cough WYOMING)
Cinisajoy2@reddit
Did you know that CPS was started after the Humane Society. Animal abuse was actually against the law before child abuse was.
____ozma@reddit
Animal abuse was illegal before child abuse even! They based our child protection laws on the animal laws.
Sea-Astronomer-6600@reddit
It wasn’t a felony though. At least not here
Illustrious_Code_347@reddit
It's not considered okay in the US at all anymore. This has been a very rapid change though. Even in the 1990s kids would get spanked and physically punished. SO this has been a very rapid societal change and there are still some people who think it's okay, but they still don't do it because they would maybe get in legal trouble and it is frowned upon by the rest of society.
SabrinaFaire@reddit
Very seriously. If you want to hurt children you need to do it properly, with an assault rifle and while they are at school.
HylianEngineer@reddit
Yeah, physical violence against kids is VERY publicly unpopular here. It still happens but people who do it have to hide it because if people find out about it, it will be reported and the parents may lose custody. Also it just makes people really, really angry.
There are still a lot of problems with how kids are treated in regard to less obvious forms of abuse, and physical violence against kids still happens, but it isn't culturally acceptable overall. Even spanking, which is considered relatively minor and perceived by some people as not truly violent or abusive, is often frowned upon. Anything more than that is seriously taboo.
Baroque_Hologram@reddit
That’s genuinely sadistic, evil behavior
SmokedPumpkin@reddit
Happens all the time. I’m a domestic violence victim advocate and in probably 50% of all cases where there are children, the abuser hurts them to upset the other person.
spandexcatsuit@reddit
Holy shit
notonrexmanningday@reddit
People are the worst
DontRunReds@reddit
By people, you mostly mean men. Men perpetrate the overwhelming majority of physical and sexual violence against others.
Gomic_Gamer@reddit
r/pointlesslygendered
Does it matter if it's majority men or not? Women still do it too, we don't solve social issues by swinging to the other side.
The attitude you putted in that comment warps people's perceptions.
I had a mother who beated me, my father never raised a finger on me even when mad.
notonrexmanningday@reddit
No, I actually meant people, because women can also be cruel.
It seems to me like your statement is one that tries to exclude yourself from the evils of humanity, as if your particular in group is without fault and it's the others that make everything bad.
Competitive_Ad_7415@reddit
It happens even more extreme where a murder suicide is perpetrated. A guy killed himself and his child a few streets from my place 6 months ago for seemingly no reason but hurting the ex. But saying 50% of times abuse is carried out on a child to hurt an ex is not true. If you are an advocate as you say 😒
SmokedPumpkin@reddit
And you know that because?
SkiMonkey98@reddit
Yup not as rare as I'd like in the US, although I don't think it's socially acceptable in the way OP is describing
hiddentalent@reddit
Sincerely, thank you for being an advocate for these vulnerable people. I know it can't be easy. I'm sure there are cases you just can't fix and it must be heartbreaking. But the work you do makes our communities better.
People like you have helped people in my circle that would otherwise be stuck in terrible circumstances, and in many cases have moved on to happy lives. So please know that despite all the frustrations and heartbreak, you are making a positive difference. Thanks <3
SmokedPumpkin@reddit
Thank you. You’re right about it being heartbreaking sometimes, and it’s some of the cases that involve kids that are the heartbreaking ones. It feels like it’s very rare that the courts do what’s best for the kids.
Travelsat150@reddit
My friend was a judge in children’s court and he said it was the worst job because of the horrible things parents did to their children. After two years he moved on to a different court which he really likes. This country needs to do better.
Sans_Seriphim@reddit
Anything and everything you do makes the world just a little bit better place to be in. That's all we can do, but it matters.
awfulmcnofilter@reddit
My ex husband hurt my dog to punish me. Its evil behavior.
loveshercoffee@reddit
During the court proceedings to have my grandkids mom's rights terminated, it came out that she had threatened to kill all of them if my son didn't come home with her.
Psychotic bitch.
Cinisajoy2@reddit
Just a small thank you.
Subvet98@reddit
That’s just evil.
Repulsive-Debt5492@reddit
Wow, I was unaware of that. That's awful :(
Hopeful_Pizza_2762@reddit
I have seen that too.
Diesel-the-merciful@reddit
Domestic violence is common in the US. The difference is that it is prosecuted.
Baroque_Hologram@reddit
I never said it wasn’t?
SmokedPumpkin@reddit
Rarely.
the-magician-misphet@reddit
In America we even have “mandatory reporters” as in people in children’s lives who upon discovering abuse or neglect have to report it to authorities. The only ones I know of off the top of my head is teachers. So if your kid goes to school in dirty clothes, hungry, or bruised then the child’s guardian is going to have to answer questions. Often times this is not enough to save children from abuse but it sure helps.
Lobada@reddit
Yes, in general, abuse and physical violence against children is not received well here. It can vary dependent on the context and degree-
Something like a spanking (an actual spanking- a smack on the ass, not across the face and not some wind up like they are trying to make a baseball home-run) to discipline a child for active bad behavior can be divisive among parents who differ in viewing it as appropriate or excessive.
Kicking, punching, slapping, etc.- is not viewed positively at all and absolutely will piss people off here. That is a crime and charges will often be pressed.
Anything in the realm of sexual assault is condemned, with prison inmates viewing those that commit such crimes against children as the lowest rung in prison society. It is not uncommon that these individuals are bullied, killed, and abused by other inmates if they are not separated from general population.
On the extreme side, murder of these individuals by other citizens, especially the child's parents or people who have the misfortune of coming across such an act as it happens, have had several instances of being found not guilty in courts. It is not guaranteed someone would not be punished in these instances, but many people here can sympathize with such a reaction as we generally consider such acts against children to be nothing but deplorable and monstrous.
lfxlPassionz@reddit
Try to stop normalizing it. America is made up of many different cultures and in a lot of them abuse is normalized but in others, it's not.
I have noticed that when you speak up against it confidently, other people will start noticing how bad it is too.
For instance, in the 90s abuse was very normalized where I live and in my extended family but my mom, my sisters, and I started speaking out against it as we got older. If someone joked around about hitting their kids it would be met with one or all of us saying something like "hitting your kids not funny. It is abuse. We don't do that here". Then if they continue to try to defend it, well they will be kicked out and we would refuse to talk to them again.
It's better to have a small social circle of good people then a big one of abusers. Those people who are no longer on my life should never have been there to begin with.
So I guess what I mean is, there is a lot of support for it but if you stop allowing it in your life, the abusers slowly drop out of your life and you will find a few people who know better that you can actually associate with and you will have a much better life than if you let it happen
Dave5802@reddit
Hitting kids to hurt an ex is not punishment. That is just evil. I am sorry that happens there.
ohfuckthebeesescaped@reddit
Yes, with the exception of Dear Leader and his buddies.
rudkap@reddit
Im willong to hurt or killanyone who hurts my kids.
Infernal216@reddit
Yeah it's not much different here for a lot of people sadly. Some parents don't do that but we do see a lot of that here
Neither-Wonder-3696@reddit
I wholeheartedly disagree about Americans taking violence against children seriously. We have so many school shootings every year and nothing changes legislatively on a federal level. Also the Epstein files are just another example of how much Americans don’t care about protecting children.
DontRunReds@reddit
A lot of the men in positions of power are also sexual abusers. Look at who the current President is. Look at some of the Supreme Court Justices. The list goes on.
Look at how long it is taking to raise age of consent in various US States and what groups are wanting it to be so that your 16 year has no recourse for being preyed upon by an adult of any age.
Look at cuts to domestic violence programs under the current regime.
Look at how rape is endorsed as a valid reproductive strategy given the anti-choice government policy post the Dobbs decision.
Look at the pro white, Christian, male supremacy actions that come from anti-DEI actions by the regime. That is absolute economic warfare against women and minorities.
Chimney-Imp@reddit
You're 3x more likely to get struck by lightning than to die in a school shooting
Neither-Wonder-3696@reddit
Lightning is a natural phenomenon. Being shot at school is not.
mickeyanonymousse@reddit
I’m shocked people are saying yes. the only time I think it’s taken seriously is if you severely beat the child or adults hitting children that is not their own. apart from that, absolutely no it’s not taken seriously. you can legally hit your kids no problem.
creamer143@reddit
Relative to other countries? Yes, in the sense that it's become less common among parents. But, in general, no, physical abuse of children, when it does happen, usually doesn't get addressed by schools or authorities, and people still have a general attitude of "out of sight, out of mind" in practice.
OwlRepair@reddit
But it’s still legal in the US? Here in Sweden smacking your child became illegal in the 70s
yellowdaisycoffee@reddit
Generally, yes, and anyone who doesn't take it seriously is considered a horrible person.
tinfoilskimask@reddit
Its window dressing. People abuse their kids as much as ever, they just advertise it less.
_beardedbandit@reddit
From my experience being born and raised American I can say that our culture takes children and teenage abuse very seriously. Those who find themselves convicted of child abuse charges, especially those found sexual in nature, are usually “dealt with” in jail. Most have to go into some form of protective custody, which typically results in solitary stays. As a member of the public when I see a pedo put in jail I rest easy knowing what’s going to happen to that person when he or she gets there.
The current state of our government and it’s involvement in the Epstein files does not represent how the citizens of this country feels I can assure you on that.
CaptainAwesome06@reddit
Generally, we'll all agree that violence against kids is extra terrible.
However, the current state of American politics would suggest that not everybody is serious about it.
ElPadero@reddit
School shootings are a regular occurrence in the United States and there is about zero being done to stop it from happening further.
The Epstein files.
So maybe per household on average there might be less domestic violence but institutionally there seems to be a bit of a blind spot.
iamunableto@reddit
i have a brazilian dad and an american mom. one day when i was about 12, my dad told me to clean the dog bowl, i didn’t do it as soon as he asked me to, he called me downstairs, yelled at me, grabbed me by my hair, and shoved my face in the dirty dog bowl and asked if id like to eat out of that. my mom came in, saw he was doing that, and got pissed as hell. she started screaming to “let go of her baby” and “you’re a monster” and so many things, he let go of my hair and i ran off to the other room and eventually she calmed down, found me, and asked if i was ok.
this is just one instance that, if brought up now, my dad would defend his abuse to be “discipline”, even then that’s what he said it was. he’s gotten better now and i haven’t gone through anything like that since i was about 15 but that’s only because i started threatening to call cps
Golightly314@reddit
Child abuse and corporal punishment are frowned upon, but the leading cause of death for kids in the US is gun violence, and we seem to be just fine with that.
Fine_Entertainer_255@reddit
Violence, I think perhaps but not SA in any capacity. There's not much recourse these days. Predators get a slap on the write. I could post 100s of examples but the one that comes to mind this moment is a Texas man along with 7 other men, brutally hurt 2 young toddlers and filmed 4 videos of it. They only bothered to arrest one of the 7 men.
https://abc13.com/post/arthur-fernandez-charged-toddlers-sexually-abused-at-the-galleria-mall-kiosk-employee-in-federal-custody/14302727/
SmallBeanKatherine@reddit
The general public tends to take it seriously, however: There's a reason why videos of predators getting caught and arrested are so insanely popular, and why those who hurt or SA children tend to get ostracized if free and targeted by other inmates if imprisoned. Even that article you linked urges people to take action immediately if someone they know is assaulted.
marksman81991@reddit
Adults are meant to protect children, not hurt them.
Okuri-Inu@reddit
Hitting your child to hurt your partner would be considered child abuse here. The U.S. isn’t perfect. Corporal punishment is still legal in a lot of the country as long as you don’t leave a mark. It is less common nowadays than it was in the past, because studies have shown that it is not good for children. More often you will see American parents revoke screen time privileges or ground their kids from hanging out with friends.
rachelmig2@reddit
Tide is turning against corporal punishment, though a lot of people will still defend it unfortunately.
Mr_Kittlesworth@reddit
I don’t know that it’s indefensible.
I agree that the public health benefits of a universal condemnation of corporal punishment are worth it. So I don’t think the general social position should change.
But, if you look at scholarship regarding application of specific corporal punishments by calm parents as a specific response to escalatory defiance, it seems that there’s at least some argument that it can be used beneficially. Here’s one study to that effect:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11225737/
ResIpsaBroquitur@reddit
Reddit hates any nuance on this subject.
rachelmig2@reddit
There is never a good reason to hit a child.
Few-Big-8481@reddit
Some years ago The Satanic Temple had a sign near me that just said "TST doesn't believe in hitting children".
Lots of people popped up trying to justify hitting kids. It was pretty funny.
whatintheactualfeth@reddit
Tenet III One's body is inviolable, subject to one's will alone.
And for those that spanked their child once and felt horrible for it. There's Tenet VI People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
I doubt that they even remember it but I've tried to be a better parent every day.
BananaJelloXlii@reddit
Americans, yes. American politicians on the other hand, only when politically convenient.
SmallBeanKatherine@reddit
Yes. Abusing your children is majorly frowned upon. Child Protective Services can be called on those who beat their kids. People can be arrested for it.
Physical abuse is proven to be a poor way of disciplining, anyways, so it is just seen as needlessly cruel.
Sharkhottub@reddit
Hitting your kis is child abuse, fullstop. Everybody I know IRL whos disagreed with me has been a massive loser so I think its fair to say it didnt work out for them.
ProudLawfulness1826@reddit
There are studies backing this up too. Using violence (even if it’s “mild” like spanking) has been shown to decrease normal emotional development in children, normalizing violence over all.
Duque_de_Osuna@reddit
Hello 18-year old Brazilian.
It depends, I mean, it is a big country with regional differences and enforcement, unless it crosses state lines, is up to the local police. So I think it will vary from place to place.
Domestic violence is a problem, but it sounds like it might be worse in Brazil. Hitting kids for misbehavior used to be more common in the past. I do not think it is so common now, at least not in my limited experience (I am a dad and never hit my child). But there are some old school parents out there.
FatHighKnee@reddit
Yeah. Hurting people who cant defend themselves is a special kind of cowardly evil. We have zero tolerance for that. Even prison convicts will fuck an inmate up that has crimes against kids or women. No one should tolerate crime period. But that goes double for crimes against children especially, or women
JessicaGriffin@reddit
I work in education and we have something called being a mandatory reporter. That means if you suspect any child abuse you are legally required to report it. You don’t have to be able to prove it, you just have to report it if you have a reasonable suspicion that something is happening. This includes any type of child abuse: physical injury, mental injury, sexual abuse, neglect, or threatened harm.
Everyone in my state who works in education, healthcare and several other industries that have regular contact with the public is a mandatory reporter by law. The intent is to have more people who are keeping an eye out for child abuse.
So that should give you an idea how seriously it is taken. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t still happen, and it doesn’t mean we’re able to prevent it all. But we do take it very seriously, and intervene when possible.
Donohoed@reddit
Even morally dubious people already in prison shun child abusers and sometimes just outright kill them if the abuse was serious.
raeraemcrae@reddit
This is confirming to read, strange timing; a Brazilian friend of mine was just telling me that when she was a kid and her mom didn't like something she did, she would make her strip all of her clothes off and stand in the corner, while her mom beat her with a belt. But she told the story like it was just normal and average. Her dad didn't intervene or do anything. She still speaks with her parents and has a fair relationship with them. Visits them. Her mom calls her, misses her, etc. My friend has set up good boundaries now with her parents and stated to them clearly the things that they did wrong (although they seemed slightly ashamed, they never verbally apologized). Once she was grown, she caught the belt and told her mother that was the last time she would ever be hit by her. Generational habits can be very difficult to break. I view my friend as very strong to have educated herself, stood up to her parents, but still found a way to have some sort of decent relationship with them. She is quick to take no crap now. In the U.S., people would label this mom as psycho, narcissistic, etc. She might be. But it could also just have been normalized for her, and believed as the only effective way to raise and discipline your children.
Efficient-Panic3506@reddit
it’s kind of both tbh. culturally, most americans will say hitting kids is wrong and react strongly to obvious abuse. but in practice, there’s still a big gray area where “discipline” gets a pass depending on the family, region, etc
Crusoe15@reddit
Opinions on corporal punishment and what qualifies as abuse varies through the country. There are those who see one mild swat to a clothed bottom as abuse and people who will wear the kid out with a belt to their bare bottom and call it discipline and most stand somewhere in the enormous gap in between the two. Teenagers ans caring if they’ve been hurt (or even killed) is unfortunately often varies upon who it was. A good kid with a bright future from a good family? That’ll make national news. A drug dealing drop out? Not many people care. But most Americans view harming, killing, or god forbid SAing a child to be a horrific thing to do. You don’t hurt kids, childhood should be protected. Even in prison, if the other inmates find out you’re baby-killer or baby-raper, prison will suck for you and you might not survive it. Even most criminals agree, children are off-limits and should be protected. You don’t hurt kids.
burlingk@reddit
I wish the image were more real. If anything, US politicians campaign on protecting children while pushing laws to make abusing them easier. :(
Antioch666@reddit
Wait are you saying "my partner left me so I will physically beat up their/our kids to punish the partner" or do you mean use "kids as weapons" in terms of custody battles and badmouthing the other to the kids?
The second one unfortunately happens here as well but the first one is just pure evil and makes no sense.
DannyDanumba@reddit
A child abusers can get killed in American prisons off that fact alone
LetterheadClassic306@reddit
i feel you on this. yes, the us takes it very seriously. hitting a child can get cps called, and schools are mandatory reporters. it's not that no one ever does it, but there's a strong social and legal line. teachers, doctors, even neighbors will report bruises. the view is that kids deserve bodily autonomy too. my friend's mom once yelled at a stranger in a grocery store for grabbing a kid's arm too hard. so your admiration is earned - it's not perfect but we try. what you described in brazil sounds hard, and i'm glad you're asking about better ways.
PvtDipwad@reddit
I see a lot of answers for general public, but I'll say that incarcerated people also hate child abusers and will actively seek out to make their lives miserable for the time they are serving. In extreme cases child abusers will get killed by other inmates. Childs abuse is taken very seriously in the states.
the-coolest-bob@reddit
No. They regularly and eagerly vote for candidates that bomb children. This country is deeply sick
1337b337@reddit
Yes, and I find it distressing how violence against children is normalized in some places.
I remember it took a great deal of exposure for a woman in (I believe) India, who was filmed beating and slamming her child to the ground repeatedly to finally be brought up on criminal charges.
onlyreason4u@reddit
When I was a young kid (80's):
None of that is ok now. I've never spanked my kids or done anything to hurt them intentionally. I've definitely felt like it sometimes, but you have to find other means. It's considered abuse and if it gets out that you did you can be in some trouble. Teachers get fired for doing anything to a kid. School fights are rare.
VioletJackalope@reddit
Oh yes, it’s taken very seriously here. Many professional positions in the US that involve working with children such as teachers, social workers, counselors, medical staff and etc are what are called “mandated reporters” and they are trained to recognize the signs of neglect and abuse and are legally required to report it to authorities. For example, if a child shows up to school with a bruise on their face, the teacher is required to report it and social services may get involved. My stepfather was investigated by child protective services because of such a situation, even though the injury I had wasn’t actually due to abuse.
EdwardPotatoHand@reddit
The Trump people are fine with violence against children
probridgedweller@reddit
It happens here. idk what you’re watching.
ObjectiveElefant@reddit
It’s called assault and it’s illegal to do to anyone, at any age. If it’s done to a child, the consequences are greater. All around abhorrent.
superjohnson99@reddit
Not in schools, the so called "bully" did not came from nowhere
Dull_Complaint1407@reddit
There is a difference between reasonable discipline and outright abuse. At least of the conservative side children are physically punished but if you commit a crime against a child you won’t make it out of prison
LastOfTheAsparagus@reddit
Depends on who’s teenagers or children. In prison, those who are convicted with harming children typically get dealt with seriously by their fellow inmates.
prowl_great_cain@reddit
People take it more seriously but there’s also a lot of school shooters, so, yknow, win some lose some.
PlusPresentation680@reddit
Yes, but, to be clear, many parents still hit their kids. I was physically abused by my mom before she died. It is also common for parents to hit kids as punishment.
As a parent myself now (I’m 30), I cannot imagine myself laying a hand on my son. Maybe it’s because I’ve been abused, but I get anxiety thinking about him being in any pain.
CommonwealthCommando@reddit
This is absolutely insane, hitting a teenager is completely unacceptable. Even hitting a child is dicey – a spanking for talking back is one thing, but hitting a child when they did nothing wrong is thoroughly repulsive.
nickzillo@reddit
Kids and dogs are generally considered off limits here.
SweetMamaJean@reddit
We say we do and make a big deal of it but it’s all virtue signaling. Hurting kids gets you way less punishment than non violent property or drug crimes and most people still think it’s fine to hit your kids for “discipline”, even with wooden spoons and stuff. Also, gun violence is the #1 killer of children but the people who scream the loudest about protecting children will flat out say their deaths are worth keeping their guns. Americans like to talk a big game about how moral we are, it’s all bull.
bryku@reddit
This would fall under assault or domestic abuse, which is a crime.
SkyPuppy561@reddit
Yes it’s highly frowned upon. Children are weaker than adults and dependent on them.
santar0s80@reddit
Vulnerable people should be protected and the punishment for harming them should be severe
GandalfTheGrey46@reddit
That's a horrible idea in the USA. You will lose custody doing that.
Ancient_Highway2223@reddit
It really depends on how you define violence against children, your question seems to be about domestic abuse and mostly local law enforcement, however on a national scale Americans do almost nothing about the pervading epidemic of gun violence that disproportionately affects women and children, whether in the context of domestic violence or the more publicized incidents of mass shootings.
Classic-Push1323@reddit
I’m going to push back against some of these comments a little bit. There are a lot of things that are illegal in the United States and that doesn’t mean anyone is actually held accountable.
Even if the police want to prosecute, they can’t do that effectively unless the victim is willing to cooperate. That’s really difficult in situations of domestic violence, especially if the victim is afraid that cooperating with the police will make future violence worse, they are economically dependent on the abuser, or they leave and return several times. I would not say that the majority of victims of domestic violence and child abuse get any kind of justice here. Even kidnapping is not always prosecuted when it involves a family member.
The majority of prosecutions in the United States also result in plea deals, which means that the person who is accused plead guilty to a lesser crime to reduce their prison time or avoid prison altogether.
I know a lot of people who should be in prison for felony domestic violence or child abuse charges and aren’t. I am speaking specifically about people who I know personally where I have very high confidence that the abuse actually happened as described and was reported to law enforcement, not rumors or “friend of a friend” situations. If you can get away from them and be safe, that is a win.
star6uster@reddit
This is the content i was looking for. Our president is a child modester. No gun bans or increased regulation after school shootings. You have to already be hurt before the law intervenes. A lot of stuff is reactionary not proactive based on signs that abuse will occur.
Laiko_Kairen@reddit
It's really fucked up... My mom was dependent on my dad, so she stayed with him for years longer than she should have. The cops were called a few times when he got too drunk or violent, but they always just gave him a talking to and left him with us to sleep it off.except one time when he was so drunk he hit my sister, we fled to a hotel, and it took the cops 2 days to arrest him. We had to go to school and pretend everything was normal.
Sorry, this topic is just bringing up a lot of emotions
mel98023@reddit
In regards to domestic violence, yes. People really see abusing children and teenagers as heinous, which it should be. Gun violence though...
WonderfulVariation93@reddit
I cannot believe that a South American country allows abuse of children. Typically-at least Spanish speaking countries-children are cherished.
Big_Country_4163@reddit (OP)
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https://g1.globo.com/ms/mato-grosso-do-sul/noticia/2026/03/08/pai-e-preso-apos-espancar-bebe-de-4-meses-em-campo-grande.ghtml
https://g1.globo.com/sp/bauru-marilia/noticia/2026/03/12/pai-e-preso-suspeito-de-agredir-filha-de-12-anos-apos-ela-se-recusar-a-furtar-casa-de-vizinho-em-itapui.ghtml
Brazilian news about the situation: in practice, few people report it. A large part of Brazil is Christian and believes that educating is hitting. I’m not generalizing all Christians, but it’s something that happens frequently.
WonderfulVariation93@reddit
Not meaning that I don’t believe YOU. I cannot believe that Brazilians would not have an issue with this and it have been addressed.
Big_Country_4163@reddit (OP)
Now I understand. My English isn’t very good, so I can’t interpret everything very well. I apologize and thank you for the comment. :)🫂
JasperStrat@reddit
Your English is better than many in the US with high school diplomas. Don't sell yourself short. There may be a slight misunderstanding of the exact definition or connotation to how English is used in the United States, but I guarantee if you can pronounce half as well as you spell and use grammar, you can communicate with any English speaker on the planet. (Scotland excluded because even native English speakers can't understand half the words a Scotsman uses anyway.)
Sad_Highlight_9059@reddit
I won't say that stuff like that doesn't happen in the US, but it is definitely against the cultural norms of the US. Meaning that people who do that in the US keep it under wraps and in private.
petitecrivain@reddit
Physical discipline isn't unheard of but it seems to be less common and less severe than it was in the past. I know people who got a light slap on the shoulder or torso but not many who were spanked on the bare ass.
And yes, courts generally can take physical child abuse very seriously if it's something that resulted in actual injury and if the evidence results in a conviction.
Equivalent-Willow179@reddit
No, Americans really don't take gun violence against children very seriously. Otherwise they would hold their government accountable. Unfortunately, most of them are very simple minded and easily manipulated into believing daily school shootings are normal and unavoidable. Then one day it's their own child who gets shot and they're shocked and upset.
Lo-Marionberry295@reddit
It is serious from a legal perspective of course, but I think there's a nuanced cultural aspect here too. While most Americans (not all) are pretty proud of our cultural "melting pot" identity/the distinctive cultural elements that co-exist here, there are some things that are like, indicators that someone is not willing or able to assimilate in the ways we collectively deem necessary to partake in our society. Violence directed at children is one of those things (and yes, I'm aware that there is an argument to made here re: gun violence but that elicits a whole other discourse.). It is not amidst the things Americans tolerate as either religious, old-fashioned, or cultural relics
JasminJaded@reddit
Hurting a child (not just physically) is the lowest of the low. This is a common sentiment.
Weightmonster@reddit
Varies.
Ok_Listen1510@reddit
that’s horrifying please tell me this is ragebait
Courwes@reddit
Corporal Punishment is still extremely common in the US. Not as much as 30+ years ago but if someone said they spanked their child when they act up few people would bat an eye. They may silently judge if they are against it but they aren’t going to call the police or anything.
CODMAN627@reddit
For the most part yes even corporal punishment is considered archaic today.
Wink527@reddit
That depends. If it’s physical violence then yes. But if a child is killed or shot by a firearm then the majority don’t care.
In the US, firearms are the leading cause of death for children and teens. Just look up all the school shooting and you’ll see we did next to nothing to prevent future shootings.
DrBlankslate@reddit
It’s called child abuse, and it’s absolutely taken seriously. People go to jail for beating up their kids.
five5andtwo2@reddit
This varies by state. I once asked a man to stop hitting his kid in public and he screamed, “Welcome to Florida, B1TCH” in my face.
But, I mean, we allow our children to be slaughtered by guns in their schools and change nothing… so...
mickeyanonymousse@reddit
in what states can’t you hit your kids?
RickySlayer9@reddit
Teenagers it depends.
Children absolutely
IconoclastExplosive@reddit
Universally? No. Country is too big and diverse for anything to be universal
Generally? Yes. Most of us are repulsed and incensed by someone hitting or harming a child.
anneofgraygardens@reddit
No. If they did, we wouldn't have people shooting up schools every day.
Dapper-Presence4975@reddit
Yes, hitting your kids (even as punishment) is essentially child abuse at this point here.
It has solved some problems and created others, but on balance I think our society is better off for it.
Great_Chipmunk4357@reddit
Yes. It’s illegal here and usually prosecuted.
riarws@reddit
Yes and no. There are strict laws against child abuse, but they are enforced very unevenly. I would say the most universal standard is that it is never socially acceptable for an adult to leave visible marks on a child. In some regions spanking is completely socially unacceptable, but in some regions it is common.
So as far as comparing the US to Brazil, you can judge for yourself which is better on average. Also, Brazil has ratified the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, while the US has not.
cannonman1863@reddit
Yes, unless it's in a school, then they're shit out of luck.
DuelJ@reddit
Yeah it's rather frowned upon. Some folk still like the idea and do it though.
Signal-View4754@reddit
True violence against Children and Teenagers is very serious.
BananaMapleIceCream@reddit
If we know a child is being harmed, we’re going to turn the adult in.
Otherwise-OhWell@reddit
Machismo is a hell of a drug.
I don't even spank my cats when they misbehave. Their peanut-sized brains aren't able to connect the punishment to the crime; they just learn to fear you.
This also applies to humans younger than ~35.
New-Process-52@reddit
Us parents dont like hitting their kids but they dont mind kids getting hit and hazed by other kids at school
New-Process-52@reddit
Explained?
boner4crosstabs@reddit
The questions here are so strange…
Lizzy_In_Limelight@reddit
How so?
Twink-in-progress@reddit
Child abuse as a means of punishment continues to be more and more out of the norm as the boomers die. They are the ones who predominantly still normalize it because that’s what was normal and even considered the correct thing to do for a very, very long time. Gen X seems to be one of the first generations at large to have understood that their abuse that they received wasn’t normal, and it’s been fading out more and more from social norms.
But that doesn’t mean it isn’t still prevalent, it’s just not socially acceptable. But there’s an incredible lack of a meaningful and effective system to address child abuse and get children out of abusive situations, and that’s something that desperately needs to change.
No-Resource-8125@reddit
Child abuse is frowned upon but not illegal. Severe child abuse is illegal. But no, unfortunately it’s not taken seriously by authorities and sometimes leads to death in severe cases.
Source: Worked in child welfare for six years.
Ask_starscream@reddit
Depends on the color of the kid, and the color of the person doing the violence.
A white guy can shoot a black kid in the stomach, let the kid lay there and bleed out, stop anyone from giving the kid aid, and not even get a slap on the wrist for it.
Competitive_Ad_7415@reddit
The partner hurting a kid to get at the ex is fucked up.
Spanking/corporal punishment is seen as abuse in Australia for parents of this generation. Beating your children is not okay I'll be clear on that. But Smacking your kids if it's necessary for them is without doubt perfectly appropriate.
Ok_Organization_7350@reddit
The United States is very child-centered and pet-centered. It is not the culture in the US to randomly hit or beat children. That is considered different than a mother calmly spanking a child for doing something legitimately wrong such as lying or stealing, which is ok to most people here.
Americans get very angry if they find out about a neighbor or acquaintance hurting a child. They will often report this to authorities who will send a social worker to do an investigation. And if the claim was found to be true, the authorities will forcefully remove that child from the home, and place them with a different family instead, who is called a foster family.
-ASkyWalker-@reddit
I’m not sure if a parent is even allowed to spank their kids on the butt without CPS being called.
Aprils-Fool@reddit
Technically, it’s allowed if it’s an open hand, not an object, not excessive, and doesn’t leave marks. (It’s not okay, though.)
ExplanationNo8603@reddit
You don't want to be a man in jail for beating a kid or a woman, the other prisoners will beat you and if your lucky that's all that will happen to you
baalroo@reddit
In my experience, the more "Christian conservative" a family is, the more likely they are to condone/endorse physically abusing children as punishment.
It's not a perfect 1:1 indicator, but it's a really useful rule of thumb in my part of the US. I can't speak to other regions though.
Ok-Energy-9785@reddit
Corporal punishment is a thing in america
Long-Kaleidoscope135@reddit
My 13 year old son is 6’2” and strong as an ox. I am also 6’3” and 200#. If I tried to physically abuse my son he would likely beat the crap out of me.
Hamster_S_Thompson@reddit
Yes . Especially gun violence in schools. We offer stern thoughts and prayers. You wouldn't believe it.
sageamericanidiot@reddit
Child abuse? Yes. Mass murder of children in school? That violence gets a pass.
Gunslinger_247@reddit
Um source?? Because thats factually untrue. And not an appropriate response.
sageamericanidiot@reddit
You're right. We don't gaf about everyday child abuse either, just provide a little lip service.
Herdnerfer@reddit
If by "seriously" you meant throwing heavy amounts of thoughts and prayers towards it, sure.
If you mean creating sensible laws to prevent violence against children, not so much.
Fine_Entertainer_255@reddit
This!!!!!!
LastCookie3448@reddit
Our pathetic “gun laws” and protection & promotion of pedos should tell you everything you need to know. We have the worst family leave, worst maternal/fetal outcomes of most nations, and zero universal healthcare & preschool. No, American doesn’t care about women & children, we are the shithole and too many people refuse to admit this hard truth.
Many-Rub-6151@reddit
Yeah except school shootings
TyraNotBanks5@reddit
Considering our school situation…I’m less inclined to believe we do.
Innuendo64_@reddit
It was more lax until the early 2000s but now is extremely off-limits. You could go to jail and lose custody of your children for it
Aquarius_K@reddit
Most places yes. In the south spanking still goes on. I suspect other places sometimes as well. You can he reported to CPS for hitting of any kind and they are a huge pain to deal with, but ironically don't seem to serve their purpose very well. If they do serve their purpose, foster care can be worse than the situation they were in to begin with. So yes it's taken more seriously but we've hardly solved the issue.
katie0873@reddit
It still happens, sadly. It just is a matter if there’s a witness or a partner/child who reports it. Sometimes the system that children go into isn’t stable too, it’s really a hit or miss if it’s better for the child (sometimes they do go into a good temporary home, but sometimes the temporary foster home is there only to get $$$ and not doing it because they have a heart to keep the child’s life stable and improved).
einsteinGO@reddit
In my social circles it is not appropriate to be physically violent with children. My parents never used physical contact to control or punish us. I know my grandparents spanked my mom’s generation, but by the time there were grandkids they never practiced that.
I think you’d find the answer varies widely, but I would say from a perspective on the liberal side most people do not think physical consequences are appropriate or useful.
I wouldn’t discipline my own child with spanking or hitting.
shelwood46@reddit
Yes, it still happens here, but we culturally are mostly past the idea that you are allowed to physically harm someone just because they are related to you and you are stronger. That is very frowned on, and in many places illegal.
wormbreath@reddit
Yes. Hurting children is bad.
WellWellWellthennow@reddit
Our grandparent's generation used physical punishment, but it is not considered acceptable by anyone here any longer.
Unusual_Entrance7354@reddit
Yes they do. They just don’t take school violence seriously.
sics2014@reddit
Abusing your child after separating from a partner as a punishment is genuinely sick, like next level.
salmonstreetciderco@reddit
where i live, exceptionally so. any amount of physical violence would trigger a call to child protective services if not the police. less so in some other communities