Have you moved to Europe from the UK and how have you found it?
Posted by Desperate-Drawer-572@reddit | AskUK | View on Reddit | 94 comments
Where have you moved to in Europe and how you have found life there compared to UK.
Would be good to understand things like safety, cost of living, job market etc vs the UK. Also how many years you been there?
m1nkeh@reddit
I have and I’ve lived in Netherlands for seven almost 8 years, AMA
Sapphicorns@reddit
Me too, nearly 7 years for me
zombie_osama@reddit
I moved to Germany in 2016 for a temporary work assignment, just 6 months in total. I enjoyed it and actually wished I could have stayed out there longer. Not sure I would move there today, though.
Successful-Bar-8173@reddit
Why wouldn’t you move there today, if you don’t mind me asking?
zombie_osama@reddit
Their job market is pretty bad at the moment much like the UK. I'm also hearing that unless you have a very high standard of German speaking ability then you will not get hired anywhere (like C2 level).
Successful-Bar-8173@reddit
Thanks for replying.
noctenaut@reddit
Not Europe, but Colombia.
To this day, I feel like I’ve moved from a 3rd to a 1st world country. I think about it all day everyday, for so many reasons.
& many out there will throw statistics which claim to show otherwise, but ask anyone who’s been here recently - they’ll tell you it shocked them.
Biggest thing I’d say I’ve found, is that in Latin America, to an extent, you need to go looking for trouble, but in the UK? Trouble very much comes looking for you.
Far-Importance1234@reddit
This is ridiculous. My boyfriend is Colombian and it’s a shithole. London is super safe in comparison.
Longjumpin-2816262@reddit
Nice one, what made you move to Columbia?
Ok_Distance_6321@reddit
The UK is in Europe
Nickjc88@reddit
The UK is in Europe... That's like saying "did you move from Egypt to Africa".
higgledy-pickle@reddit
I moved to Belgium in 2024. Best decision I ever made. Better quality of living, healthcare, et al.
Cost of living is on par with London prices, except rent. Rent is a lot cheaper in comparison. Salaries are indexed which means by law they have to match inflation each year.
Employment market where I am is not great at the moment, but am not sure anywhere is?
Regardless, am happier, healthier and way less stressed than I ever was in the UK.
appletinicyclone@reddit
What's your area of work in? Sounds lovely :)
higgledy-pickle@reddit
I work for Médecins Sans Frontières, did before the move also. The choice to relocate to Belgium was a personal one and I’m very grateful I had that flexibility/possibility.
ouverture8@reddit
As someone who has lived in both of these countries as well...
Belgium overall has better quality of everyday life because of food and drink, weather (yes there absolutely is a difference), ability to cycle everywhere, free or cheap culture (events, education, ...), and a solid social security especially generous unemployment benefits. I cannot overstate how beneficial it is to your mental health to know that losing your job won't bring financial ruin. Employee and renter protections are better. Having children is a LOT cheaper; nursery about half the cost, big tax deductions for children and child benefit double the UK while not being means tested. State pensions are significantly higher compared to UK as well.
The UK on the other hand is more diverse and vibrant, Belgium suffers from monoculture with frankly a lot of boring comfortably middle class people. The UK economy is a lot more dynamic as well, Belgians still very much have the 'job for life' mentality. The UK's countryside and outdoors is much, much better. The UK feels more global in the sense that events and culture are noticed around the world, whereas what happens in Belgium tends to stay in Belgium; you may like that or you may not. UK is more open to foreigners, although British people and other North Western Europeans won't have an issue in Belgium.
Overall I'd say on the long term life is more comfortable in Belgium but more interesting in the UK.
eric-artman@reddit
Come back then 🤗🙂
rumnbacchnal87@reddit
At least in Belgium you aren’t paying ££££ for p1ss. British beer is awful.
Past_Hunt_8222@reddit
Who drinks beer anymore.
Complex_Box_7254@reddit
It's really not. You're choosing to drink crap beer.
Terrible-Group-9602@reddit
You can find great beer here. Lay off the Carling
R_bazungu@reddit
I moved the other way around. Massive reduction in life quality regarding housing, education, healthcare, food quality … but I don’t miss the congestion and lack of open space!
i-am-a-passenger@reddit
I spent a few years in Spain, loved the late night culture, the fact that you basically live outdoors, the food, the people. But over time, became tired of the crime, the more obvious levels of corruption, the poor wages/job market, the general politics and dissatisfaction, the insane bureaucracy, the poor infrastructure and public travel options. The grass isn’t always greener.
Existing-Rhubarb-972@reddit
Sounds just like Greece! Lived there for years. On paper sounds lovely: great food, great weather, great cafe culture etc. In reality is low paid, grinding jobs in a hugely nepotistic and misogynistic society, corruption at every level, mind-numbing bureaucracy, non-existent public infrastructure, ongoing destruction of the natural environment, and high taxes. Came back to the UK and have a LOT less daily stress 😅
Available-Spray2576@reddit
Damn, I thought nepotism couldn't get worse in the UK alone
EmuComprehensive8200@reddit
I'm surprised to hear you mention misogyny. I heard Spain was quite feminist. What areas of life there are more misogynistic in comparison to the UK?
i-am-a-passenger@reddit
I think a lot of the misogyny in multiple Mediterranean cultures gets overlooked because people treat it as a quirk of their culture, it’s just the way they flirt, they are “romantic” etc.
But a lot of their TV makes the carry on films look progressive (just old men perving on young women), the way that men “flirt” with women in public would be considered to be obvious harassment or stalking in the U.K., if a woman approached a policeman or paramedic they are going to make more effort trying to fuck you than provide any help etc.
They are certainly a more matriarchal culture, but honestly I found the way the culture views women as rather disgusting in general.
EmuComprehensive8200@reddit
Yeah that is a bit suspect not gonna lie. Thanks for clearing that up, I don't know much about Mediterranean culture or Spain at all so.
Bifanarama@reddit
Europe isn't a place. It's 27-ish countries, all of which are totally different. You'll need to be more precise.
gr4n0t4@reddit
I moved to the UK in 2015 from Spain and back to Spain in 2023.
Safety for me is similar, I had no problems in either place, cost of living is better in Spain but job market is horrible.
The best things in Spain are the worst things in the UK (food, wine, weather) and the best things in the UK are the worst in Spain (work culture, burocracy and rugby).
Maybe I should try France, being in the middle XD
Ok_Adhesiveness_8637@reddit
Espanol rugby is at the 2027 rwc!
Sure, they wont win much... but they are there! Hoping some of the bars will be showing the games here in Tenerife 🤞
gr4n0t4@reddit
I have tickets for the 3 games!
Ok_Adhesiveness_8637@reddit
Ahh no way, enjoy! We have family in Melbourne and Perth but theres no way my 9 year old could handle the flights haha.
Should beat Canada! Argentina and Fiji though im not too sure about.
slim_pickings14@reddit
I live in Lisbon. Great weather, great laid back culture, lovely people, I love how accessible beaches are, it feels very safe, there aren’t groups of kids hanging around causing trouble.
Bureaucracy is very bad, you will waste a lot of time doing life admin and it is very painful. Salaries are very low and rents are very expensive. Taxes are high and there’s no tax free savings vehicles similar to ISAs so it’s hard to actually get on in life.
Grass is not always greener.
Desperate-Drawer-572@reddit (OP)
How much are salaries
Ok_Adhesiveness_8637@reddit
Low.
Our daughters best mates family are from there, being a manager at Nandos pays her better than both of them working out there (him as a mechanic and her doing something with her degree).
Brazilian move to Portugal because of how low the wages are in Brazil, Portuguese move to England because of how low wages are there.
The dream is getting a remote job and living out there earning UK wages.
Wombletrap@reddit
I moved to France 15 years ago and it was a great decision - Paris is safe, lively, cultural & still exciting to discover. Living here is a bit cheaper than London, and for me a huge benefits is being in a foody culture where the quality & variety of food (ingredients shops and restaurants) is a lot better. But the job market is harded (less churn, harder to find long-term roles, especially without the language or connections), and the city & people are less friendly than London.
codechris@reddit
I like Paris but food in London is top tier, one of the best in the world (and Paris in up there too). If you don't thin K London is foody you are very much mistaken. International food in London is world beating
Ok_Adhesiveness_8637@reddit
Come on now. Im not saying London is bad for food but compared to Paris?! There's a reason most top chefs can speak french, and its mostly down to training/honing thier skills in a french kitchen.
codechris@reddit
Sure but you can't really compare them like that. They are both good but at very different things. London excels and things Paris couldn't dream about for example. Saying one is better is shortsighted
ambadawn@reddit
Moved to Germany. It's OK.
Desperate-Drawer-572@reddit (OP)
Why only ok?
ambadawn@reddit
It's very similar to the UK.
Shops are shut on Sunday though.
david9640@reddit
I moved to Copenhagen in September, from Scotland.
Overall, it feels much safer. The most notable difference, at least for me, is that the teenagers seem less likely to try to 'show off'. They aren't hanging around street corners, picking on folk. You see prams with babies sleeping in them left outside cafes, so there is definitely an air of safety in the city.
In terms of the cost of living, it is expensive here. It's not unusual for me to spend £10 on some chicken breast from a discount supermarket. There's no real competition over the 'staple' items, so I really notice that 'cheap' rice here is maybe £2.00 on a good day, for example, rather than 40 pence. If we go to a restaurant, even a cheap burger place, I expect to spend £50-60 for two of us easily.
It's common for apartments here to share one industrial sized boiler - so heating is cheaper. In our building there are 12 apartments. In the UK that would be 12 standing chargers. That isn't the case here. Our mortgage is roughly £1,200 for a one bedroom apartment in the suburbs. House prices are expensive compared to a lot of Scotland, but probably about the same as they would be in Edinburgh.
The job market seems alright. I started to look for work when I arrived - and had already found a new job by December (despite having recently graduated). Unemployment is rather low, according to the Danish way of recording the statistic (EU measurements suggest it's steadily rising). Many people are complaining that it's difficult to find work, so I may have been lucky. The population is very educated, so most professional jobs require a Masters.
Many jobs here have flexible working hours. I don't actually have an official start time. I'm expected to work 36 hours a week (on average). I can go plus or minus I think roughly 40 hours in my flexitime. I work from home two days a week. It's pretty normal for some people to clock in at 8, but equally common to start at 10. By 3 the office has started to empty, as people go to pick up kids, or just finish for the day. I often work shorter hours on office days, then longer hours on the days when I'm at home.
The salaries are really high compared to the UK. Interestingly, there isn't really a minimum wage. However, each industry has unions, who negotiate industry wide agreements on worker's rights and salary. As a result, it doesn't feel like the 'every job is £25,000-35,000' wage compression issue is an issue here. I earn a roughly average salary here, which is £65,000 in UK terms. My wife works as a civil servant and earns a little more.
We are heavily taxed, though. My take home is closer to £38,000 I'd say. That's after the state taxes and municipality taxes. On top of that, there is a property tax and a land value tax that we need to pay (I can't remember how much this is). But, there is a general feeling that things tend to work. I know someone who found a lump recently, and within 10 days she had had a GP appointment, been diagnosed by a specialist and operated on.
And finally, everything is very digital. There is a form of 'digital ID' here. It works really well. If I want a GP appointment, I log in with my ID and book an appointment with the app. I use the same to collect a prescription, file my taxes, or even to sign a document.
So far, there are many positives to being here. But there are also things that I miss about Scotland, but that's a different question.
No_Secret2322@reddit
My husband is from Denmark, he moved to the UK 5 years ago, he likes that things are cheaper in the UK and we are taxed less but he sees the lack of provisions here compared to DK due to that tax difference, you can definitely see the tax money is heavily invested back into the DK public services, we made sure our kid got his Danish passport when we visited last year and the process was so seamless and so quick. Might come in handy for him in the future should he wish to move.
im-just-confused--@reddit
Oh this was such a shock for me when I moved to the UK. What are the kids doing here?! Never in my life have I thought I'd be scared of a gang of teenagers. In the first month or so of me living in the UK, I was walking my dog in the park and some gang of 13 year olds started throwing glass bottles at us. My dog is terrified of bottles to this day and I just don't feel safe around these feral teenagers. It's so weird.. I have genuinely never seen this being so common anywhere else.
Gullible_fool_99@reddit
The UK is in Europe so you can't move 'from' the UK to 'Europe'.
EmuComprehensive8200@reddit
I moved from my hometown London to rural Ostfriesland NW Germany exactly 10 years ago in May after meeting my man on holiday. At the time, it was the best thing to ever happen me.. rural life, especially here, is a dream. Ot is still relatively high quality living here, don't need to lock your door or your bike at the supermarket, most immigration if at all are from other parts of Germany or Dutch (being that we are on the border) and its a high trust society over all. Renting or owning is definitely affordable here, we got ours for 105k (120qm, 3 bedroom, big garden w/garage and pretty roomy in a nice village). Renting you can easily get 60qm for between 500€-700€ bills all in, and mostly its closer to the 500€.
Thing is, we still have to play by the rules of the rest of the land.. so erm.. that's become a bit of a problem. Taxes and the social system are a big problem here, and a big problem for me. We basically fund the world, and if you are middle to low earning you are being disincentiveised at every turn to not do better, not earn more or start a family. Green and liberal politics have destroyed this country. Germany in 2015 when I first visited was like a completely different country. We Are actually planning on selling up and leaving before the rot reaches us. We are tired of paying into a system that provides for the whole world, but not its own people. Also, we are still young and have a long working life ahead of us and want to start a family. This country is far too hostile to families sadly.
my-comp-tips@reddit
I wouldn't come back here if you are thinking of getting out, because Germany sounds exactly the same as the UK.
EmuComprehensive8200@reddit
My mum and sister keep saying it's not THAT bad. I feel like they live in a completely different England to litterally everyone else, but at the same time, I'm happy if they are.
my-comp-tips@reddit
Like everything in life it could be worse, but the UK is certainly not the same place it was 15 - 20 years ago. The whole feeling and vibe of the country has changed, probably just like in Germany.
EmuComprehensive8200@reddit
I'm trying not to be so despondent but, it feels like you can see what's coming and it's hard not to be. I'm really worried my man will get conscripted into the military the next years too, that's another thing in itself. Then we're not going anywhere :/
I still hold out for some change before its too late both in the UK and here in mainland Europe, for us ordinary folk but especially the younger generations like your child. It's gonna take a lot of push back though.
SocietyPleasant7461@reddit
I did a secondment with work to France. Absolutely loved it! I highly recommend trying out living in mainland Europe for a while.
Accurate-Herring-638@reddit
Moved to Sweden a few years ago. Safety is great. There has been quite an increase in serious crime (mostly gang/drugs-related), but as a 'normal' person you're very unlikely to be caught up in it. In contrast, there's far less of the chavvy behaviour that does impact everyday life. Where I lived in the UK there were so many posts about stolen bicycles or motorbikes that would be found a day or so later, completely trashed. That kind of senseless small crime just seems way less common here.
Job market is pretty crap at the moment. Unemployment rate is now the 3rd highest in the EU I think, and quite a bit higher than in the UK. If you're a migrant and are not fluent in Swedish it's very hard to find a job, even if you're highly educated.
Housing in Stockholm is expensive but otherwise can be quite affordable. I live in a desirable town and pay £800/month for a 1-bed flat. The rent includes heating, electricity and water, so don't have to worry about heating bills in winter. There's no such thing as council tax either. Housing is generally much higher quality too. Outside of the big cities housing can be very cheap. 30 minutes drive outside Malmö you can get a detached house for £250k. Go a bit further (45-60 minutes outside Malmö) and you can get a detached house for £150k. In the far north of Sweden it's not uncommon to see detached houses in good condition for sale for under £50k, but then you do live in the arse end of nowhere.
The thing I possibly love most about Sweden is how much of the country shuts down in the summer. In many (most?) jobs you are entitled to take 4 consecutive weeks off in the summer. If you want less time off, you have to request permission. It means I can go away for 4 weeks and come back to almost no emails, because everyone else has been on holiday too.
SimpleManc88@reddit
The UK is in Europe
gregd303@reddit
Yep, moved to Poland 11 years ago. It wasn't even intentional at first..just came for an event and liked the city's (Krakow) relaxed vibe. Safe, clean, transport works ...the little things!
When I first came , it was much cheaper than the UK ..for most things - apart from electronics and maybe clothing ..which I would buy in UK anyway. Now it's a bit more expensive ..where isnt?! And rents and housing have increased a lot too. Still, all very much affordable.
The language is tough, so you have to be prepared to feel like you're not from here, or have crazy language learning skills, but many people speak English and it's possible to navigate your life with knowing only basics.
There's plenty of international companies here for work , and polish isn't really required for those jobs. Maybe for others. I can't comment much on the labour market as I work for myself, but I think most people are happy in their jobs and it seems possible to work and have a life here easily enough.
Poland seems to be something of a popular destination now (wasn't on most people's radar years ago), with influencers etc touting the safe and clean streets and even many poles moving back here since their economy has grown and grown. Nice place to live and bring up a family , better if you're polish and the language is on your side , but as an expat it's still a good life here.
Left-Indication-2165@reddit
I moved from the EU to the Uk.
Safety is vastly different, it’s lower in the Uk in my perception but that is only for major cities however I felt more safe in the country side.
Cost of moving is living is the same, if not more than the Uk however the piss poor thing in the Uk is the housing. Expensive and moldy. I also hate the bath tubs and lack of adequate insulation for the houses in the Uk.
Job market is better in the Uk, I know this might sound shocking but trust me it is. You have better shot here than in the EU.
People are surface level here in the Uk but at least they fake they care which you probably might not get in some part of the EU.
It is less green in major cities in the Uk and less of a walkable city too.
The transport system here is not as good as the EU too.
Healthcare in the EU is better than the Uk.
Food is better in the Uk.
I have not lived in all EU states, so I can’t speak for all.
dospc@reddit
Jesus, where are you from? I have one guess...
Left-Indication-2165@reddit
Haha I get how controversial this can be but when I meant food is better it is the availability of diversity to culinary mostly not English food.
curious-flaps-2020@reddit
British food is really good - as good as any other Northern European cuisine, better than most. Are you a victim of yanksplaining.
Left-Indication-2165@reddit
What is yanksplaining?
im-just-confused--@reddit
He thinks it's only Americans online who spread fake news about British food not being great. But like... I didn't go looking for a British cuisine restaurant when I lived in other countries. There's a reason why they are not really a thing. And it's not because of yank propaganda.
Left-Indication-2165@reddit
Ohh haha. I have had ‘English Breakfast’ couple of times abroad but I would not wake up really craving a food and think of English food specifically. The presentation and texture for me mostly is not my cup of tea.
im-just-confused--@reddit
I agree it's not my thing either but I had some amazing British food in UK restaurants. I just don't crave it, I'm not feeling nostalgic about something in a pasty with chips and covered in gravy the same way most Brits don't crave rice with warm stew for breakfast.
The culture around food is just not really there for Brits and I don't know why some people want to argue against that... Having great restaurants doesn't negate the reality that the average Brit eats cold soggy meal deal sarnies and microwave/oven ready meals, people want to eat in the quickest and most convenient way and sitting down for a big hot lunch just isn't a thing here. Most people will just throw some crap from the freezer into the oven even when they're hosting, there's little pride in home cooking here.
Anaptyso@reddit
While the UK is bad for some aspects of food e.g. the flavour in fresh fruit, bad habits when cooking at home etc, there are some ways that the UK is pretty good compared to many EU countries:
Terrible-Group-9602@reddit
We have great food here.
Ecstatic_Food1982@reddit
So why not name countries where xyz is better, rather than say, eg, Healthcare in the EU is better than the Uk.
Left-Indication-2165@reddit
Netherlands Belgium Germany Nordic
dospc@reddit
Europe is not one country, you know that right?
Do you speak another language? What do you do (or want to do) for work?
Ill_Ad_791@reddit
They’re obviously asking people for their own specific examples
im-just-confused--@reddit
We lived in multiple countries across Europe with my husband, there's slight differences between each country but if I was to compare some very basic things in mainland Europe to the UK in general - healthcare is better and more accessible (you don't feel guilty for using health services, you are able to be seen whenever you need to, specialist referrals are rarely longer wait than a month, doctors always plan follow up appointments for you and continue examining you until they find the problem, you always speak to a doctor not a nurse or locum, no 8am phone lottery), rent is a lot cheaper (you could get a massive modern 8 bedroom house with an indoor pool 40 minutes from Munich for the cost of a cheaply built cramped 3 bedroom copy pasted house on a new build estate outside of Chichester per month), fresh produce is better quality than in the UK (tomatoes have flavour and aren't mealy and pale, fruit isn't mouldy or rotten on the supermarket shelves, the fresh produce doesn't start going bad in your fridge 2 days after you did your shopping, fruit and veg actually smells nice instead of smelling like nothing or like bug spray).
We have been in 4 different parts of the UK, for 9 years altogether. We wasted a lot of money on rent and my health has gone to complete shit when I had to rely on the NHS. The only thing I feel is A LOT better in the UK compared to other countries in Europe is convenience. Everything is so easy to get done, you can buy sliced buttered bread, you can get same day delivery from so many places, you don't need to go to a million places when you move and need to register because almost everything can be done online. You can be lazy on steroids in the UK and still get things done. Everywhere else I had to take a day off to go to the bank, town hall, doctor, get my TV and internet sorted etc. Convenience is next level in the UK. But it's not worth all the downsides.
RecentTwo544@reddit
I realise this is probably VASTLY biased as it's one of the most expensive places in the world, but I spend quite a lot of time in Ibiza, would love to move there but I internally laugh whenever I catch myself saying that.
Ibiza specifics aside (insanely expensive rent that makes London look like East Kilbride, overcrowded in summer, full of British cunts), I do know a lot of people there from mainland Spain and especially Italy (economically, Ibiza is basically an exclave of Italy in summer) say that even back in their home town jobs are hard to come by, rent is insane, the cost of living is mental.
Many who've spent time in the UK say they laugh at us moaning like we're the only ones suffering with costs.
Job market wise Ibiza is obviously highly competitive, but many people move there for the summer slaving away simply because jobs are impossible to come by back home like I say, and will then move to the UK if possible in winter because it's better here.
The B-word has made little/no difference in terms of getting a job in Europe for Brits, but in Ibiza (and I suspect it's the same for many places in Europe) they deliberately try to discourage it as it makes the market easier for them. Can't argue with that.
In terms of day to day living, when I'm out there, I normally shop in places like Mercadona or Lidl, and I'm told that even though it's Ibiza, the prices are representative of all of Spain. And while some stuff is better quality and some stuff is cheaper (mainly seafood products), it generally makes a UK shop look like a bargain.
Bitter_Tradition_938@reddit
You do know that Europe is a continent, not a country, right?!
WHERE in Europe are you thinking of moving?
ukbot-nicolabot@reddit
A top level comment (one that is not a reply) should be a good faith and genuine attempt to answer the question
Leonichol@reddit
!tlc
ZT0141@reddit
You know exactly what op means
Bitter_Tradition_938@reddit
No, I don’t. Which bloody country do they want to move to?
They are asking about how safe it is, for example. Now, I have not lived in ALL the countries of Europe, but I would guess that France, for example, if a bit safer than Ukraine (again, for example).
getoutmywayatonce@reddit
The first line of the actual post specifically asks people to name where in Europe they moved to…
Bitter_Tradition_938@reddit
Ok, I moved to Berbesti. It’s nice. Does that help?
getoutmywayatonce@reddit
Well I’m not the OP, but considering that’s exactly what they posted to ask about then it probably does help yeah.
deleted_by_reddit@reddit
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ukbot-nicolabot@reddit
A top level comment (one that is not a reply) should be a good faith and genuine attempt to answer the question
notouttolunch@reddit
This is possible. The UK is in Europe.
Why do people put no effort into things like this. And then they complained that their country is falling apart, they are the reason!
ukbot-nicolabot@reddit
A top level comment (one that is not a reply) should be a good faith and genuine attempt to answer the question
Rich-Peak-3902@reddit
The UK is in Europe.
ukbot-nicolabot@reddit
A top level comment (one that is not a reply) should be a good faith and genuine attempt to answer the question
sammyglumdrops@reddit
You know he meant mainland Europe you knob
Shot_Net3794@reddit
Who pissed in your weetabix this morning?
Puzzleheaded_Ad9110@reddit
No it is not!
thecraftybee1981@reddit
The word Europe has many meanings, some of which don’t include the UK.
Affectionate-Fish681@reddit
OP will be referring to continental Europe or the EU, but you knew that already
Fun-Brush5136@reddit
Moved to Vatican City, cos I got a new job. Keep getting attacked all the time by the US president. 0/10 don't recommend
xtreme3xo@reddit
Very good work
ZestyMonstera@reddit
Where in Europe? Responses vary wildly, especially since you are asking about safety, cost of living and job market. Do you speak any other languages?
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