Updated Minimax m2.7 still doesn't allow coding a product. But before the next riot starts, Ryan Lee has already confirmed that they are still working on the license, and sale of products built by m2.7 is permitted.

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someone383726@reddit

Good! I was just about to publish my iOS task tracker app to the App Store that I used 2.7 running locally to build!

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One-Replacement-37@reddit

What do you expect of a FREE MODEL?

Stop complaining on Reddit
Buy tokens from commercial models - they transfer all rights of the output to you.
Spend a few millions to make your own model.

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Velocita84@reddit

Buy tokens from commercial models

This is LOCAL llama

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colin_colout@reddit

local doesn't always mean a free and open license unfortunately.

/r/selfhosted is filled with posts about software with limited licenses. Sometimes the source isn't even available... Plex is one of the top self hosted softwares

I commend your passion about FOSS, but gatekeeping doesn't really help.

Maybe it's time for an /r/openlicensellms sub. ... tho I'd argue "is it FOSS if you can't build from source yourself?" (like training/eval data plus automation scripts), or is it just shareware?

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I don't have anything against buying tokens from providers in and of itself, it's just that i think, in a local focused sub, it's pretty stupid to tell someone "oh you don't like the license? Just spend money on cloud providers!" When instead you can simply recommend using a different open weights model with a more permissive licence.

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Recoil42@reddit

Yes, and if the LOCAL options don't meet your needs, you have the option of buying tokens from commercial models. If that doesn't please you, tough titties. The universe doesn't owe you free models, you need to make the choices that are right for you with the options on the table.

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emprahsFury@reddit

honestly, a free model should be free. If it's not free, shouldn't call it free.

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One-Replacement-37@reddit

Did you have to pay? No? So it is free.

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JockY@reddit

Sounds fair enough to me: I build internally using the offline weights and I can recommend the API to some customers and local weights to others, as fit for purpose.

Can’t blame MiniMaxAI for wanting to protect against pure race-to-the-bottom hosting services that can run on cheaper margins! I guess MiniMax and other Chinese OG model-dropping companies are getting disrupted by their costs of training plus hosting vs their competition who can “just” focus on hosting the latest free model from MiniMaxAI et al. and avoid that burden entirely.

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suicidaleggroll@reddit

Legalese is tricky, I probably wouldn't be able to draft a license that properly controlled this kind of thing either. Looks like all they care about is stopping 3rd party inference providers from providing API access to MiniMax for cheaper than MiniMax themselves can serve it, cutting into their customer base. That shouldn't affect 99.9% of the people here.

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BriguePalhaco@reddit

There's an MIT version in the commit history 👀

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LienniTa@reddit

hey i have to say that their api service is not good at all. It says stuff about heavy load isntead of working.

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Finanzamt_Endgegner@reddit

The license is irrelevant in that case since ai content doesnt have copyright, they literally have nothing against you if you use it to build something with the output of it.

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eli_pizza@reddit

That is incorrect. The restriction is on the license for the model, which most people agree is copyrightable.

It could say you promise not to stand on one foot and that would be legally enforceable (though maybe not practically)

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teleprint-me@reddit

I've posted this before.

Generally speaking, the outputs of the model are non-copyrightable. They've already set precedence for in multiple cases.

For a work created using AI, like those created without it, a determination of copyrightability requires fact-specific consideration of the work and the circumstances of its creation. Where AI merely assists an author in the creative process, its use does not change the copyrightability of the output. At the other extreme, if content is entirely generated by AI, it cannot be protected by copyright.[9] Between these boundaries, various forms and combinations of human contributions can be involved in producing AI outputs.

See Part 2 for Copyrightability
https://www.copyright.gov/ai/

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eli_pizza@reddit

Once again: that doesn’t matter!

These are the terms you agree to in order to legally have a copy of the model. If you violate the terms, the model output still is copyrighted - but you have infringed the license of the model.

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Stop complaining on Reddit
Use another local model
Buy tokens from commercial models - they transfer all rights of the output to you.
Spend a few millions to make your own free model.

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ilintar@reddit

I'm not surprised at companies not wanting competition at their core service (offering the LLM via API). I'll take it if it stays open weights thanks to that.

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ambient_temp_xeno@reddit

Oh well if we can use it for writing actual code without restrictions, happy days.

People wanting to use it as some grifty 'online product' are SOL.