Lucid Motors Has A New CEO And A Bunch More Funding
Posted by KeyboardGunner@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 46 comments
Posted by KeyboardGunner@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 46 comments
Ok_Combination_4482@reddit
Was the last one bad? I thought they were doing okay. Saw some lucid cars in the police force.
costafilh0@reddit
They are doing great. Losing money on every unit sold, as expected, as ever other EV except Tesla.
Uniball38@reddit
There was some stat a couple years ago that they lost like $300k for every car sold, and about half of it was compensation to the CEO
fanboy190@reddit
That was the previous CEO before Winterhoff, and also, that statistic was EXTREMELY misleading. It was mostly stock bonuses (that were deferred), and the 300k was not based on only cars; it also included development costs and things like that. I believe there were some details on the Lucid Owners Forum about this!
BillyJohnsFinds@reddit
Yeah he was paid in stock, which is worth like less than a tenth of what it once was. I don’t get how people don’t understand how this works, not complicated.
bullet50000@reddit
You're expecting a nuanced conversation on CEO pay on Reddit?
Ok_Combination_4482@reddit
U shoulda just left it at nuanced conversation.
guy_incognito784@reddit
These are the same people who tell themselves that when someone donates a lot of money to a charity, it's because they make money when it comes to taxes but somehow this only applies to when billionaires do it.
StrangeSmellz@reddit
They just "WRITE IT OFF" or it's "MONEY LAUNDERING"
StrangeSmellz@reddit
Because it don't fit their narrative.
Ok_Combination_4482@reddit
Ye reddit is funny in that regard.
Uniball38@reddit
I dont think it’s misleading to amortize dev and other costs into the product you sell.
I agree that stock options complicate it, and really transfer the cost burden from the company to the shareholders who are being diluted
bjuandy@reddit
Lucid makes good to great cars, but they aren't doing well business wise. They're still in the expansion phase but EVs as a category have stopped growing and investor appetite has turned more risk-averse. Lucid was going to have to manage this transition no matter what, but they're doing it under unfavorable macroeconomic conditions.
The turnover looks okay on the surface. Rawlinson dual-hatted as CEO and CTO, and it makes sense his expertise in technology is less applicable when Lucid needs to worry about scaling. Moreover, he's still attached to the company's board of directors, so this wasn't a bad break. The new guy, Napoli, has the right-looking CV of successfully running businesses that work on economies of scale, though none of them were automotive or technology.
It's all the right signalling, but there are inevitable risks. They're moving away from tech and innovation in favor of revenue growth and scaling, meaning they're going to slow down in bringing exciting product and there are going to inevitably be corners shaved while being led by a non-automotive CEO. It is entirely possible it's done properly and most customers don't notice or care about what got cut, but it can also be done poorly and Lucid burns its quality reputation for no return on scale.
AwesomeBantha@reddit
Lucid has a quality reputation? My impression is that their cars have some great engineering in many places but their software still has to catch up. And there were some early manufacturing issues, I don’t know whether all of those have been resolved.
lee1026@reddit
Great packaging, terrible software. Pick what you are into.
I_dont_exist_yet@reddit
They have a new software lead as well. The CEO move is to help get the supply chain and the "business" side of the company moving in the right direction. Their current CEO is smart and a great leader, for where the company was, but now they need to move past that startup phase and into solid "we can make money going forward" territory.
costafilh0@reddit
Morena funding?
Good.
Because is not like they are making any money selling cars.
So they have to get money somewhere to keep the doors open.
Repulsive-Club7866@reddit
I hope an affordable EV sedan with 400 miles+ range is back on the table with the CEO change already.
MooselookManiac@reddit
Why on earth do you need 400+ miles of range in a sedan? Sedans are for commuting or running errands around town. Most people never put more than 50 miles on their car in a day.
SUVs, vans and pickup trucks are where it would actually be useful to have long range, for delivery/service vehicles and road trips.
N4n45h1@reddit
I happen to both commute and go on road trips in a sedan. Others might too lol
walnut100@reddit
Conversely, I would never want to sit in a compromised ride like an SUV or truck for 400+ miles. Sedans are so much more comfortable
AwesomeBantha@reddit
I’ve done multiple 700+ mile days in the last year or so and it’s been pretty good in my body on frame SUV. Active suspension (hydraulics in my case) works very well, sure, it doesn’t handle like a sedan, but I’m mostly going in a straight line anyway. The seating position also makes a huge difference to me.
Granted, I’ve never driven a really cushy modern vehicle, but I’ve been in both sedans and SUVs with good and bad NVH. I’m always surprised how terrible the ride is in something like a pre-Highland Model 3.
xlb250@reddit
I find midsize sedans to be more comfortable
lee1026@reddit
Woot, woot, give up most of my cargo space for 10% more range?
Doesn't sound like a good trade.
neegabrudda@reddit
These affordable ev sedans will definitely be coming, but most people will still sacrifice those 40 miles of range for more space in an SUV.
uwxa@reddit
Lucid is dead. Everyone needs to get over it.
StrangeSmellz@reddit
Saudi Arabia has unlimited money.
uwxa@reddit
So does NYC. The point is it’s a dead end car manufacturer. Loaded with bugs. Old man styling, few people actually interested enough to buy one, and when they do they hate dealing with it and are very vocal about it in the forums.
AndroidUser37@reddit
What's so dead end about the best packaging in the business? Lucid is better than even Tesla on interior and frunk space efficiency.
uwxa@reddit
Nobody cares about lucid.
AndroidUser37@reddit
Okay, so YOU don't care about Lucid. That doesn't mean nobody does. The fact that I care about Lucid already disproves your statement, and I doubt I'm the only person on planet Earth who finds Lucid's cars interesting.
uwxa@reddit
I invested in Lucid and it was my worst performing stock. Luckily I leaned harder into Tesla.
DetroitLionsEh@reddit
Yeah man, we know you’re have a Tesla guy who’s made the car company their personality and you feel threatened that Lucid makes a better product
uwxa@reddit
I’m not a Tesla guy. They’re soulless boring cars that have an interior that looks like a modern luxury building bathroom. I’d never buy in in their current form. But Lucid is a total dead end turd.
aponderingpanda@reddit
Hey I think we figured out why you don't like Lucid.
xlb250@reddit
The dead end is that they are unable to be profitable in market segment with many competitors.
StrangeSmellz@reddit
OK does NYC back Lucid? If not what does NYC have anything to do with this?
uwxa@reddit
They did, via investment funds and banks. It’s over for that company.
imightgetdownvoted@reddit
Supposedly a huge amount of the early bigs have been worked out and they’re much more solid now.
uwxa@reddit
But they’re not engineers.
Tonyn15665@reddit
Step 1: creating a large sedan, $80K+, when all other makers are getting rid of their sedans, especially the larger ones Step 2: creating an MPV, $90K+, call it an SUV and hope no one notices Step 3: continue to lose money on each car sold
Whats even a single sign of doing things right for this company?
They seem to want to be the everyday car for Porsche owners but dont take into account that Posche is struggling with the Panamera and Taycan themselves
lee1026@reddit
The gravity seems like a nice car, I don't see whats wrong with it, except maybe targeting the wrong segment.
The air was dumb dumb dumb through. Yes, car designers like designing sedans, but a car company isn't to make the designers happy.
gg06civicsi@reddit
Awesome review by a prominent YouTuber. Surprised they got a new CEO seemed they were heading towards the right direction.
https://youtu.be/1WiQAOmESH0
fanboy190@reddit
Their current CEO was only an interim one, this does make relatively good sense! Hopefully, with how Lucid is one of the few driver-focused brands today, they can continue to grow.
Seeker80@reddit
Good, I hope they can pick things up. Not a big EV fan, but they're one of the few I could see myself interested in.
CorrectCombination11@reddit
Good hardware, bad user experience. Which is good overall. Software is easy to change.