For a walking encyclopedia data sure learns a lot from Picard.
Posted by happydude7422@reddit | TNG | View on Reddit | 29 comments
Posted by happydude7422@reddit | TNG | View on Reddit | 29 comments
Krssven@reddit
It’s the difference between encyclopaedic knowledge and wisdom. Data has a lot of the former as he’s essentially a computer, but he doesn’t have a lot of wisdom when it comes to certain matters.
Joalguke@reddit
Courage is doing something despite feeling fear, Data cannot feel fear, therefore cannot be courageous. (Until he gets the emotion chip)
InevitableSuitable21@reddit
I’d rather spend time in a Turkish prison than watch that movie.
Blep145@reddit
Data *knows* a lot, but doesn't *understand* humanity. That's why he learns it over time. I wish they had kept the "stages" approach instead of the "emotion chip"
TanningOnMars@reddit
I kinda wish they had done both. Give him the chip in season 5 or 6 (not in the movie), and he could spend the rest of the next seasons learning in stages how emotions work
Blep145@reddit
That would be better than what they did, for sure! He could be like Odo in DS9, who wrecked his room because he had a crush for the first time
MindlessNectarine374@reddit
Ehm, it was because he saw her getting close with someone else.
Blep145@reddit
Fair, still a juvenile response
EvernightStrangely@reddit
But when you've always kept everyone at arms length until now, it's overwhelming. He's never experienced that sort of situation before, so he handles it as well as a adolescent would.
Blep145@reddit
I'm not saying I don't understand - I do. This conversation originated by talking about how Data experienced things in stages, and someone mentioned how it would have been handled better if the emotion chip would have allowed him to receive emotions in stages as he learned to manage them healthily. He's likely to experience the same problems as Odo, who handled having a crush in a juvenile way. That's all!
SeaOfDeadFaces@reddit
That's what that was about? I thought it was because Miles ate his pizza bagels.
Blep145@reddit
I don't know if this is sarcasm or not, but I'm gonna lean on it being sarcasm
SeaOfDeadFaces@reddit
Just being playful :)
Blep145@reddit
Valid!
CharacterMaybe7950@reddit
How on earth is ‘courage’ an emotion?
Courage is entirely subjective and an assessment made by another person.
moaningsalmon@reddit
I wouldn't say that's entirely true. It takes courage to do something you're afraid of. Doesn't matter if somebody else would be perfectly comfortable trying to do that thing.
thegovernment0usa@reddit
It also takes breathing to do something you're afraid of. Would you say that makes breathing an emotion?
MolybdenumBlu@reddit
Data's "development" is done better with seven of nine. It is not close.
strawberrysale@reddit
i actually hate data, his character is all over the place
woodworkerdan@reddit
There's rote learning, and there's demonstration and application. In my youth, it was harder to see that Picard was in part talking to himself in this scene: trying to tell Data that there’s courage in remaining dignified in spite of deep internal struggles. As opposed to suppressing emotions, or compartmentalizing, the acknowledgement a struggle and keep going onwards is just as much an emotional experience as giving up and hiding with the struggle.
As much as Data could access the rote knowledge of every psychological text in the Federation to help handle emotions, he was left without much hands-on practice that wasn't guided by someone trying to manipulate him. Picard has been his role model in that sense.
qubedView@reddit
Data's encyclopedic corpus has been well refined to remove generic platitudes.
Pleasant-Tangelo1786@reddit
We all did, OP. We all did.
SeaOfDeadFaces@reddit
This is like when he doesn't know a simple word. He repeats it as a question, pauses for a moment, and then "Ah. An old English expression meaning--" and then he uses four examples before someone cuts him off for comedic effect. 😹
DakarZero@reddit
It's always been a conceit of the show. Data has been in Starfleet like 15 years but it's like he's barely been around humans in TNG
happydude7422@reddit (OP)
It's possible everyone else kept their distance from him
Deepmidwinter2025@reddit
To paraphrase Zero: it’s not just about translation, but also interpretation
Kulban@reddit
Difference between accessing RAM and long-term storage.
Significant_Pear_523@reddit
But courage isn't an emotion. In the scene, the way Picard says the line, it almost sounds to me like he doesn't believe what he is saying, but he needs Data to believe it so he'll calm down and do his work.
Again, just my interpretation of the line and probably not the majority opinion.
TurquoiseKnight@reddit
Thats their whole dynamic and its wonderful. Picard is father-like to Data