Spain approves plan to give around 500,000 undocumented migrants legal status
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Chipay@reddit
Half a million people that are already working anyway. But this way, the government gets taxes and the workers get a one-year visa and the protection of the law.
Upset-Basil4459@reddit
And the citizens get fucked
Chipay@reddit
Do they? These workers were already present, but now they will contribute to the federal budget while, due to the taxation of their labour, bringing the cost of their employment more in line with citizens.
Indeed, migrant workers push down overall wages due to increased supply, but these people were already present. The alternative would be deporting half a million workers in a time where Spain is one of the fastest growing economies in the EU.
Upset-Basil4459@reddit
I think it's very optimistic to think that the employers of these immigrants are going to say "ah you are now a citizen so we will put you on the books so you can start paying tax"
Chipay@reddit
They're not citizens and If they don't have an 'on the books' job they'll be deported.
Upset-Basil4459@reddit
Once you give migrants legal status in your country, they aren't going back home.
kyussorder@reddit
No, in fact, we need immigration.
Upset-Basil4459@reddit
Bro saw the state of London and was like 😍 we need more of this
simonbleu@reddit
*MORE taxes. Rememr VAT, at the very least
Filthy_Joey@reddit
How do you know that they are working though? And can they acquire a legal job while being undocumented? If its a semi-legal job it can be anything else. How do you know they do not give legal status to drug sellers, pickpockets and scammers along the way?
DasUbersoldat_@reddit
It rewards law breakers and will encourage further illegal migration. It's incredibly short sighted.
zyuiop_@reddit
Well most european countries do need more immigration to offset an aging population, so attracting more people does not seem short sighted at all.
Besides, illegal immigration does not have to be illegal. By legalizing 500k people, Spain is effectively making it not-illegal.
DasUbersoldat_@reddit
Guess why people aren't having kids anymore? Because we can't afford it.
zyuiop_@reddit
That is certainly part of the reason, yes. What does it have to do with immigration though?
DasUbersoldat_@reddit
Because illegal immigration is a proven financial net loss.
JRepo@reddit
No science to back up that claim. Spains high growth is partly thanx to the immigration.
captd3adpool@reddit
Its almost like this isnt the fault of migrants but those that hoard the vast majority of wealth and resources 🤔. Funny that.
LanaDelHeeey@reddit
Two things can be true at once.
VladimiroPudding@reddit
Proven by whom lmao
assasstits@reddit
Where did you get your econ degree? Ask for a refund
DasUbersoldat_@reddit
Man, I didn't know Hasan had any fans left. You're a treat.
assasstits@reddit
Hasan? Who's that
nicethingslover@reddit
The number of children per woman has gone down everywhere in the world, at least since WW2, regardless of GDP per capita. Both in Myanmar and the US, the fertility rate is far below replacement. You know where they have a shit ton of children though? Gaza, children are half their population.
RisingDeadMan0@reddit
and a shit ton of PhD's wont find a higher concentration of PhDs anywhere else.
No_Medium_8796@reddit
PhDs in what
trapezoidalfractal@reddit
Mostly hard sciences
West-Calligrapher-16@reddit
what does gaza have to do with anything?
seiryuu-abi@reddit
I checked this out a couple of years ago due to the number of people claiming that Palestine has one of the highest fertility rates in the entire world, placing them in the top 3 or something.
Palestine’s fertility rate is 3.something. It’s been declining. The country having “a shit ton of children” is Somalia, which consistently ranks in the countries with the highest fertility rates.
AmbrosiusAurelianusO@reddit
Cuz the same 10 richest dudes in Spain keep getting like 90% of the money being made in the country is not about the immigrants
ChillAhriman@reddit
And you think we'll be able to afford it when we're 40 working adults paying the pensions of 40 retirees, rather than 60 working adults paying the pensions of 20 retirees? I certainly prefer to have more working-age people here to help me pay those pensions.
DasUbersoldat_@reddit
You're conveniently forgetting that a large part of immigrants are immigrants on benefits. So instead of 40 paying for 40 you're creating a situation of 60 paying for 80. Not too fucking bright, folks.
assasstits@reddit
Benefits because they don't have permission to work.
DasUbersoldat_@reddit
Reread what you said and try to activate your brain cells for once. Benefits are for LEGAL migrants. That doesn't even factor in the cost of illegal migration.
Weird_Point_4262@reddit
In that case create legal routes for immigration that still allow for immigrants to be vetted instead of encouraging illegal migration
Worried-Fee-736@reddit
Breaking laws that simply shouldnt exist is a non issue. No one should be punished for crossing imaginary lines. The only thing that should be focused on when it comes to people moving around the planet we all share, is logistics and safety. Border enforcement is fundamentally violent and barbaric
VladimiroPudding@reddit
Spain has been for years trying to attract Latin Americans for their workforce. What they need to do is to reform their legal venues, but that is very complicated and might backfire (see what happened when Canada tried to reform their work visa situation). It seems it is way easier for the government to just give these short-term solutions for people that has no criminal record and were able to find steady jobs.
verticon1234@reddit
I’m not really sure this is true. Seems like a smart economic move to me.
SaneSociopathPolitic@reddit
Amnesty always just incentivizes the issue to quickly come back.
verticon1234@reddit
Any evidence behind that claim?
No_Medium_8796@reddit
When Regan did it
Jacinto2702@reddit
r/Europe is in the next block.
JuanchiB@reddit
sakezaf123@reddit
I really don't know what you think these immigrants were doing. Given that they were illegals, they certainly weren't getting any government assistance. And the state is fine with most people breaking the law, especially after the fact it just depends on societal attitudes to laws. But I'm pretty sure that everyone here that drives has broken the speed limit more than once.
18285066@reddit
As someone who went through the legal route this leaves me a big miffed tbh
struct_iovec@reddit
Well sucks to be you then
VladimiroPudding@reddit
Seems like they are putting a band aid in a system that is dysfunctional. Getting a proper work visa is insanely expensive and complicated for companies in most Schengen countries. Ideally countries would try to fix the legal work visa system, but it seems is less complicated to give a very temporary solution for people with the "right profile" that found work without having to go through the almost prohibitive hoops.
LanaDelHeeey@reddit
I work, I don’t think I should be able to break the law without consequences. The point is the principle. The rule of law.
Stippings@reddit
Pretty much, this isn't first time Spain has done this in the past 10 years and the unemployment rate has been decreasing hard in the same time period.
On a side note: How does Reddit commentsections always lose their braincells when the topic is about migration?
VladimiroPudding@reddit
Very low effort bait for Europeans, easy cash for rage bot farms.
eggplantpot@reddit
Far right lurkers waiting for posts like this to come out of the woodwork
SuperKiller94@reddit
Yep. So long as they haven’t committed a crime in Spain or their home country they get a workers visa that can be renewed after 1 year and can eventually lead to citizenship.
VladimiroPudding@reddit
I am feeling deja vu, I saw this exact same news months ago in this sub.
Inb4 avalanche of lost people saying Spain is going to islamize Europe yadda yadda when it is a 1 year work thing, that doesn't even allow people to move around Schengen, and for almost only Latin Americans, that Spain has been for years setting policies to attract anyway.