Why are Chinese firearms not very popular around the world?

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BadgerBadgerCat@reddit

Because they can't be imported into the US, which is by far and away the world's largest and most important firearms market.

Most other countries that allow civilian ownership of guns have stricter laws than the US, and the ones with "better" laws (the Switzerlands and Czech Republics etc) have plenty of awesome guns of their own and don't want or need Chinese-made guns.

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JefftheBaptist@reddit

Has Canada cracked down on Chinese imports? They kept their import system going longer than the US did.

Basically Chinese guns can be well made (although some aren't) but you're fundamentally buying from the Chinese military industrial complex and helping them build capacity at the expense of your own. This is not a good thing to do, especially when China is a strategic rival.

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BadgerBadgerCat@reddit

I can't speak for Canada, but I'm in Australia and while there's nothing import ban on Chinese firearms here, semi-auto rifles are banned for most shooters. Even though Norinco make bolt-operated rifles, as well as a range of pistols, the only "New" Chinese guns that get here for some reason are the JW-15 (clones of the Brno Model 2), and even those are in tiny numbers. There used to be quite a few Norinco 1911 clones in 9mm and .45 floating around about 20 years ago, but there haven't been any new ones imported in a long time.

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Correct-Sail-9642@reddit

I have one of the Norinco 1911s from the 80s. I'm in the US. Was my dads sidearm for years. It's, well it's a .45 and is reasonably reliable GI clone but probably wouldn't buy if I had other cheap .45 options like there are these days. He told me he paid like $80 USD for it back then. Needs some trigger polishing and some better sights imo.

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IWILLGUTYOU@reddit

No we haven't, up until 2020 we had tons of imports of Type 81 S/LMG and Type 54. Chinese SKS are regularly imported still. Norinco and Poly were/are very popular because they are cheap and widely available across Canada. Ammo too all variants of 7.62 are currently imported from there and x39 is like 3 cents a round.

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Umney@reddit

When I was a kid EVERYONE had a Chinese SKS. Multiple, in fact.

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Javad0g@reddit

I remember mine.

Big-Sporting Goods special on a Wednesday newspaper ad.

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NiceCream337@reddit

i wasn’t checking out country of manufacturer when i was 14 but i assume all those cheap guns in the dunhams paper ad were chinese. crazy dirt cheap

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RobertNeyland@reddit

Once upon a time, you could go into a K-Mart or a Sears and they'd have a drum full of SKS rifles covered in cosmoline. I think they were $25-35.

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stud_powercock@reddit

My dad's buddy, Vietnam vet, bought a case at a gun show back in the 80's and just stashed them all over his farm. I loved going to NYs house as a kid, (his name was Bob, but due to a surplus of Bobs he was "NY" Bob) He would hand me a couple of bandoliers and tell me you know where the berm is, grab a rifle and have a blast. I was like 7 or 8.

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HemHaw@reddit

x39 is like 15 cents cad a round.

Holy fuck I gotta take a trip

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superfuzzbros@reddit

That’s $.11 USD per round.

All the 7.62 here in the states is around $.50 per round. I don’t think I’ve shot my SKS in awhile just because if I’m spending that much on ammo I might as well just feed my ar instead.

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MarianCR@reddit

Has Canada cracked down on Chinese imports?

Canada cracked down on owning guns.

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Separate-Afternoon13@reddit

Pretty sure canada cracked down on everything

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singlemale4cats@reddit

This is not a good thing to do, especially when China is a strategic rival.

Such a thought crossing a regular person's mind is terminal political brain poisoning. The US already outspends the rest of the world combined on military bullshit but it's never enough

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Jumaai@reddit

Yeah. There's literally zero impact on the world politics and military balance from a bunch of guys in the US buying a bunch of chinese guns.

There's a bunch of silly thinking in the US gun space. Not only thinking that individual consumer choice/boycott has an impact on world politics, but also simple things like spending thousands on home defence guns instead of getting something reliable and then investing in a proper front door. It's one big circlejerk, from one trend to another.

And no, your holosun purchase doesn't "literally arm" the PLA.

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JefftheBaptist@reddit

The US military has something like a million rifles in total inventory and is the largest military in the world. The US civilian population buys millions of rifles per year, year after year. Outside a major war like WWII, it is the civilian population that establishes and pays for the manufacturing base in small arms, not military sales for rifles.

Seriously, Colt owned the US military small arms sector with the M16 and M4 for decades and almost went bankrupt multiple times during that time.

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Jumaai@reddit

I'm sure that's a point of pride for the US civilian population, but that's has no impact at all and it's not the chinese model at all.

Their firearms manufacturers are state owned and state run and do not care about money. They do not need money, they don't especially want money and they cannot fail. That's contrary to the US model of awarding contracts to competing private companies or to the Russian model of a cleptocratic oligarchy, with no central direction, except of forcing your industry to sell at cost to the government and recoup with export and treating contracts like a last minute IV to keep them barely afloat. Colt's mismanagement and snatching every defeat from the jaws of victory is legendary, so I'm not going to go into that.

China has tens of millions of rifles in stockpiles to arm their armed forces, reserves, their state run militia and doesn't care about selling a few tens of thousands to the US civilians each year. They will have zero issues ramping manufacturing up before a conflict, or even awarding manufacturing contracts to other companies, just like the US did when it needed to, if world war three devolves into a rifle shortage. They will literally use their Defence Procurement Act equivalent to make the fidget spinner corporation and the pen holder clock corporation start spinning up QBZ's.

So yeah, your purchasing decisions have literally zero impact on world politics and military balance, you can go out and get a Mavic or a Holosun without any (self imposed) guilt.

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wmtismykryptonite@reddit

Their firearms manufacturers are state owned and state run and do not care about money.

Did you say all that to say it's fine to buy guns from the Chinese government?

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Jumaai@reddit

I keep saying that it has no impact on world politics and military balance, it won't affect WW3 should it involve them.

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JefftheBaptist@reddit

The firearm industry is a drop in the bucket in comparison.

In total earnings? Sure.

But what is keeping China's small arms plants running at sufficient capacity? Because small arms plants require specific machine tools that you don't use making motor scooters or hacksaws (like anything involving barrel making). What keeps that industrial capacity in place, working, and the workers trained, etc? China's military does not order that many rifles because while their army is large, it is still only a couple million people. Perhaps they buy a hundred thousand rifles per year. That is a drop in the bucket compared to, say, US civilian rifle sales. The answer for how you maintain that manufacturing plant for China (and the US as well) is foreign military sales and civilian sales to markets like the US.

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EZPeeVee@reddit

What are you talking about? It's lathes, mills, brakes and casting and forging. Ancient (kinda) technology that has a lot of use. Maybe the process of honing and shaping the inside of a barrel is an industry specific task or tool, but everything else in firearm manufacture applies to hacksaws, lawnmowers and tattoo machines.

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MoneyElk@reddit

You're 100% correct, it's always funny to see sinophobes (usually right-leaning people) justify the import ban like it had/has any impact on China's defense industry.

The ban was because the US government didn't like the idea of dirt-cheap guns and ammo flowing into the US. They used the Norinco- gang shenanigans as a scapegoat.

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TacTurtle@reddit

Norinco specifically was banned for import because a factory Norinco representative was caught trying to smuggle in and sell 2,000 AKs to a 'gang member' that was actually undercover FBI as part of a sting

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wmtismykryptonite@reddit

An interesting side note, since Norinco is state-owned, this is the RPC government trying to sell the weapons. If a USPS sales rep was sent to sale "lost" packages, that's the government doing it. When people were talking "free market" during GWB admin after Dubai PW bought a U.S. port, forgot that the "company" is owned by the UAE government. A foreign government bought a U.S. port.

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Just2LetYouKnow@reddit

The US government has zero issue with there being dirt-cheap guns on the US market, or with importing them from other countries.

I mean look at the Turkish shotgun import market.

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JefftheBaptist@reddit

This is it. Turkey is a nominal US ally. But we don't import from nations we consider rivals like China or Russia.

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boostedb1mmer@reddit

At this moment in history China isnt the military industrial complex responsible for destabilizing the world economy and causing unpredictable, nonsensical political chaos.

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Stevko_1@reddit

We used to get a lot Chinese made guns. Until the federal government banned basically every semi auto center fire with a detachable mag.

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libertariancandidate@reddit

Our local gun range in Slovakia had a chance to import newer norinco pistols and CQ on those (2022 manufacture date) was somewhat quinky - usually jammed with regular new ammo, only the more high end hornadys were feeding good. Would not recommend for CC, far too unreliable for that role.

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AndreiHoo@reddit

Feeding hornady to norinco? Just use steel case should do

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libertariancandidate@reddit

We cannot use steel case ammunition because of risk of fire, only the military and some LE use them, and only outdoor.

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AndreiHoo@reddit

Hmmm that’s too bad, Chinese firearms are mostly designed with steel case/ core ammo.

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xqk13@reddit

Interesting, older norinco guns (AKs, Type 97, and various pistols) are pretty reliable

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Classical_Liberals@reddit

Makes a lot of sense, hell I wouldn’t even buy from most of the big gun manufacturers in the states cause of the quality, case and point Remington 🤮

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RedPandaActual@reddit

It’s hit or miss with some. Sig is a perfect example as this P320 may have some issues but their older P226s are still great.

Been hearing good things about their new P211 and some other stuff.

Remington was a staple in my house growing up but I wouldn’t buy anything from them today. I’ve seen people with remmy ARs having massive issues in classes.

Shame.

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ChggnNggts@reddit

Thats because the Sig P226 was made by a different company, in a different country :)

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BeenisHat@reddit

P22X's were made in multiple countries over the course of 30+ years. The West German ones used stamped slides. The US ones are milled.

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RedPandaActual@reddit

Not the newer ones and I’ve been hearing great things about their new P211. Until I see a sage dynamics video on their optics I don’t wanna go for them either.

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xxmadshark33xx@reddit

Modern Remington is so bad, it’s sad. My grandfather has a 1100 from the late 70s that still looks perfect, yet new ones come rusted from the factory.

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THKhazper@reddit

Ironically look who bought Remington and where they proceeded to heavily invest.

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Early-Series-2055@reddit

I think I’m going to try the Chinese version of the 870.

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Squeeech@reddit

Switzerland enters the room

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the_real_JFK_killer@reddit

I dont trust Chinese quality control with something I might need to save my life

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Beebjank@reddit

Chinese have consistently made some of the best AKs and SKSs and SVDs throughout the years. They’re good at making firearms.

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DemureCynosure@reddit

They're good at copying existing technology. They do not have a good track record with making their own stuff.

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HikkingOutpit@reddit

All the history books I've read seem to indicate Chinese innovation died after the Mongols conquered the country in the 1200s. They never regained that spirit of inventiveness and industrial creativity after the Yuan Dynasty.

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Roach-187@reddit

To be fair tho, those were military surplus rifles, I’m not sure about the quality of modern commercial Chinese firearms

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xqk13@reddit

Type 97s up in Canada seems to hold up well

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BestMillimeter18@reddit

Pretty much all Chinese firearms are made in state-run factories. The BL-18 870 clone is probably better quality than a Freedom-era 870.

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1Crusty_Old_Man@reddit

I bought two of those for $120 each with plans to SBS them. Still waiting for permission but damn, those are solid shotguns.

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smite1911@reddit

they manufacture good copies... designs the come up with on their own are questionable at best.

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BeenisHat@reddit

I feel like most new rifles these days are just a rehash of existing things anyway. The Robinson Arms XCR is basically the final boss version of the Garand and Kalashnikov long stroke family lineage.

Most short stroke systems do the same things, but just orient components in slightly different locations, like where the gas piston return spring is located or if its omitted entirely.

Simple D.I. systems like the MAS-49 or the Ljungman. The few tipping bolt systems that made it to production.

There are very few truly unique systems out there like the Tinck Arms Perun 16 or Stoner's D.I. with extra plumbing.

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SomeCar@reddit

Lol, nah.

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sporknitebattlepass@reddit

Bruh what are you talking about Chinese guns are almost all made by their state arms companies and are insanely reliable. There’s a reason why type 86s and type 54s are still in use around the world today

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chasteeny@reddit

Meh, depends on the item. Ive had lots of shit made in china id trust of some made in USA stuff. Like say, my dad has a Norinco Ak74 I'd trust every day, day in and day out, over my $3K MIUSA MDRX

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TwoPoundzaSausage@reddit

H&R made their "Pardner Pump" 870 clone in China. I gotta say that the performance is fine, though a shotgun is relatively difficult to screw up. That being said, the machining on the receiver is complete dogshit. Sharp edges everywhere. Every time you eject a spent shell, you get a nice little sliver of plastic with it, too.

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morganational@reddit

Bingo. That's all it is for me. Just need a reliable piece.

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Comfortable_Shame934@reddit

Better question is why turkish bs is so popular when a large majority barely work (not you girsan, you're fine)

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volckerwasright@reddit

The video of their new flagship service rifle keyholing at 20 yards comes to mind

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xqk13@reddit

I can’t believe people still bring this up, they were using tangible ammo ffs. You really think China, the factory of the world, can’t make a working rifle? Chinese small arms have always been decent.

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volckerwasright@reddit

The guy talking about the Chinese bot army was right 😂

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xqk13@reddit

Ah yes, anyone who disagrees with your narrative and points out facts is a Chinese bot. This is why I hate the firearms community, so many imbeciles circle jerking in their echo chambers.

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EugeneNicoNicoNii@reddit

Those are probably training ammo tbh, I mean you wouldn't want to have fragments from the round smashing and fragmenting itself all over yourself from CQB training after all

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BeenisHat@reddit

Pretty sure that was just the training ammo.

Of course, drilling into concrete from spitting distance makes me wonder about their training methods more than the ammo but at least they're not trying to kill their recruits with flying pieces of copper shrapnel.

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Brewtown@reddit

Oh I gotta find this video

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Fromthe802@reddit

Link it if you do!

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Tarkov-Z7@reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/Chinesium/s/Ptuu4CJmrz

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SilenceDobad76@reddit

Playing devils advocate could it be wood or plastic training ammo or did that die with the battle rifle era?

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Excelius@reddit

Seems pretty obvious, real ammo would have destroyed that concrete block wall.

The barrel probably can't stabilize the rubber (or whatever) training ammo, but also at shoot house distances it doesn't really matter.

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Jens_Fischer@reddit

I actually took a look, and yes, there's the DBF rounds made of rubber (DBF means 弹-步枪-复合, or in English: "Round-Rifle-Composite"), and the one in 5.8x43mm is the DBF07. The round is supposedly to be used for riot control or CQB training for...... obvious reasons :P

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Jens_Fischer@reddit

I actually took a look, and yes, there's the DBF rounds (DBF means 弹-步枪-复合, or in English: "Round-Rifle-Composite"), and the one in 5.8x43mm is the DBF07. The round is supposedly to be used for riot control or CQB training for...... obvious reasons :P

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roostersnuffed@reddit

That seems like the most logical answer considering theyre shooting into concrete from 10' away.

Theyre saying in the comments its "ballistic concrete." I cant speak to that as the only shoot houses Ive been too were made of rubber blocks.

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Fromthe802@reddit

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Jens_Fischer@reddit

Oh, that video. The PLA uses the DBF-07 rubber rounds for any CQB training to prevent injury.

BUT, iirc, the early batches of the QBZ-95 had the wrong twist rates that resulted in unstable bullet spin instead of the 191.

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Imminent1776@reddit

I think that's because they were using frangible or other unusual ammo

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dirtybellybutton@reddit

Every time I've said this on a post I've been brigaded by Chinese bots so I'm just waiting for the show

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Phoenixcats@reddit

The fact that that was propaganda footage makes it even funnier

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Lucky-Hunt-9915@reddit

I trust my Norinco SKS completely and I have no need for some cheap commie pot metal rifle.

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ocke13@reddit

They are just not that one.

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WhoisMrO@reddit

They generally suck

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GucciTreez@reddit

Me when I post before understanding an arms embargo.

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opossum111@reddit

They are popular around the world, just not in the western world. Go to Africa or the middle east and you will find Norinco firearms everywhere. The type 56 has to be the most prevalent AK in the world.

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44Revolver1908@reddit

Because that fine metal "Chinesium" comes with a guarantee on anything made from it... guaranteed to break eventually...

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Wonderful-Staff-7321@reddit

An hour later, you’re hungry again.

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No_Vacation369@reddit

It’s chinisium metal, don’t last long

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jerry_03@reddit

Around the world? Im not sure. I know why they're not popular in usa....cause of import laws

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PandorasFlame1@reddit

Banned in the US since the 90s. We don't really get the new stuff.

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Lui_Le_Diamond@reddit

Because they suck

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Liigma2x@reddit

Chyyy na

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panzerboye@reddit

They are popular, SKS and Type 56 are widely used globally in Asia and Africa. It is not common in civilian and military markets in Europe and North American; for obvious reasons.

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UnbanSkullclamp420@reddit

Regardless of politics owning an QJY-201, QBZ-191 and an QLZ87 would be awesome. That being said it's not practical at all and I'd rather spend my money on more AK or AR slop.

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DaniDodson@reddit

Do we really need to explain?

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localtownmoron@reddit

It's a Chinese gun. Of course it's not popular. I'd be better off using a nail and a .22lr than one of these.

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X_Ego_Is_The_Enemy_X@reddit

Has anything ever been high quality that is made in China?

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MoneyElk@reddit

iPhones are really damn solid as far as manufacturing goes. My DJI Phantom 3 has great build quality.

The whole notion of everything made in China being garbage is because US companies go there and demand X price for Y number of units. The Chinese are capable of making nice things if you pay more. They'll also steal your IP, but that's another topic.

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X_Ego_Is_The_Enemy_X@reddit

Find me something designed and built 100% in China without using stolen specs from US or German engineering and I’d be surprised. The only reason iPhones are built in China is the costs and scale… nothing is engineered or designed there.

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RedneckMarxist@reddit

Recently? Automobiles. There's no match.

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hyperYEET99@reddit

Funny. Their automobiles are just as shit as anything they make. My friend rented a BYD which broke down with only ~20k miles and is a 2025 car, while the windscreen cracked on my rental because a very small rock hit it. It was just on a normal highway with no large trucks. Keep in mind that BYD is one of the ‘better’ Chinese car brands out there. There are also plenty of videos in China where their electric cars combust quickly after a crash.
But yeah, keep lying to yourself that and don’t come crying when your Chinese car breaks down the 10th time after a year or two

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RedneckMarxist@reddit

I had a Chevrolet back in the 90s. I'm pretty seasoned.

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hyperYEET99@reddit

At least they don’t instantly combust after a small crash. But you do you

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RedneckMarxist@reddit

That would be my Pinto from the 70's

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hyperYEET99@reddit

If we start comparing safety standards 55 years ago to a supposedly new 2025s standards you know something is really bad about it.

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MissionDirect8529@reddit

I would definitely think a few would be sabotaged to kill or seriously hurt someone that's imported to the United States.

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torino42@reddit

I beg to differ. I love my SKSs!

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Otherwise_Act3312@reddit

Cuz modern Chinesium is trash...

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SnowDin556@reddit

Embargoes

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shit_poster9000@reddit

The largest firearms market on the globe, the US, is almost entirely unavailable to China. Having a company effectively owned by the Chinese government being caught trying to sell machine guns, rocket launcher and tanks to the mafia tends to do that.

Beyond that, the rest of the firearms market has better quality local production with minimal difference in price, or have access to even cheaper firearms made with similar quality. Quite literally the only remaining option would be to find niches that the rest of the market has neglected… which Nornico has quite literally no reason to since the civilian market isn’t necessary to the company’s survival.

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Reversi8@reddit

They should be selling those 3 things to the general public instead.

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shit_poster9000@reddit

I’d be more excited if arms companies from Vietnam entered the US market, they seem to know how to party

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Affectionate-Meet192@reddit

We love the types 56s here in south Africa

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ClemPrime13@reddit

Why do I need commie guns when I have freedom guns?

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8BitResseRtiB8@reddit

I love my Chinese built sks, these are very popular here. Yes its a Russian design and mine was built under Russian supervision but it was still made in china by Chinese people

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minecraftrubyblock@reddit

Because they're Chinese quality, thus far from high quality

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SpikeBikerFur0044@reddit

Quality control

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shibbster@reddit

Because I'd rather have 5 shitty Turkish shotguns than a single "good" Chicom semiauto rifle. And I doubt I'm alone in my thinking.

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thereddaikon@reddit

Let's be honest, it's because import is largely banned in the US. If they weren't then PSA would be struggling to compete with Norinco CQ's and Type 56s right now for the cheapest ARs and AKs.

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That_Squidward_feel@reddit

Switzerland here: The only people who care about Chinese guns are collectors.

Quality wise they're not up to snuff and price wise, the import process treats them the same as other non-EU guns (US-made stuff has the same issue) and makes them unviable.

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Agammamon@reddit

Because you can't import them into most countries and even where you can there are tons of other options already.

And the Chinese don't do a lot of firearms exports in the first place.

Probably the most popular Chinese firearm in the world is the Norinco SKS.

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sporknitebattlepass@reddit

Wish I could import them into the US. Also wish we could get their electric cars too.

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ShacoinaBox@reddit

i don't hate China, so the following isn't rooted in some "america #1 China #400" thing. but their ability to make a "good X" derives from stealing or licensing it from others. the type 54 is a great gun, type 56's are good, but they're soviet designs and soviet engineers went to China to help get production rolling.

any chinese design that deviates from the norm would be highly suspicious to me vs literally anything else. i think the QBZ is so fucking cool, i hope the gov allows me the privilege of importing one one day. but like, id never dream to trick myself into saying it's a great gun.

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MoneyElk@reddit

The Type 56 (the AK) was reverse engineered from AK-47 Type 3s and AKMs. After the Korean War Soviet-Sino relations were not great, they've gotten much better since.

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ShacoinaBox@reddit

i meant the sks (actually tbh forgot it n the ak were made at the same time) which I'm pretty sure I remember reading somewhere that they paid soviet engineers to come down and help set up manufacturing and do early QC. i could be thinking of something else, though

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Bilbo_nubbins@reddit

They will be when the paratroopers land.

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fek2211@reddit

I mean.. The type 56 was a great gun. They really went hard on the manufacturing. Milled recievers and tight QC. Since they moved away from that platform to the.. QZB95... Oh boy I could do a 2 hour speech on "Wtf were they thinking"

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BigoteMexicano@reddit

Just because they're not popular in the US, doesn't mean they're nop popular around the world. China was exporting a shit ton of Type 97s back in the day. I'm sure they're doing the same with these.

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GaGuRoShoMo@reddit

They're quite popular, at least among people who know what they're talking about. They're cheap and most of them work flawlessly. They're just not as pretty. Fit and finish often leave a lot to be desired.

The US can't import them anymore. That's probably why you don't hear much about them.

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TheRealTitleist@reddit

They are just poorly reproduced clones of existing IP so why would they be?

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Graffix77gr556@reddit

Cuz they suck

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GaGuRoShoMo@reddit

Your. mom sucks too, but that's exactly why we like her.

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rextrem@reddit

Well, a lot of old chinese guns are popular around the world, basically all of their soviet designs.

But the new "polymer" rifles like Type 95 or 191 are already being built for the PLA, it's a several millions people army, they'll never have enough. So it's not popular because it's not available, wait for another 50 years.

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MrBobstalobsta1@reddit

Love my Chinese SKS, but that’s from a completely different era

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TemperReformanda@reddit

Speaking for myself here. I only want things made in places that deserve my money.

Right now China isn't one of those places.

I have no choice but to buy a lot of stuff made in China, but that's not going to be a firearm.

I don't hold this rule overly dogmatic for most things but when it comes to firearms, I definitely have zero interest in anything made in China.

For my small collection, that's basically stuff made in the US or Europe. In the factory that I manage, it's the same thing. All our best equipment is US or European made, but we do have a few nice machines from Taiwan (legitimately made in Taiwan, not just painted and rebranded).

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RedneckMarxist@reddit

As you type into your Chinese made phone about something you saw on your Chinese made television.

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TemperReformanda@reddit

Name checks out. Makes no sense but checks out.

Notice how phones and televisions don't carry lethal force, but firearms do? Yeah someone on this forum identifying as a redneck ought to understand then concept.

I have a Harbor Freight heat gun. I would not buy a Harbor Freight punt gun. Or ammo. If you can't see the difference then please block me so I don't have to deal with this sort of crap.

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RedneckMarxist@reddit

$198 43x clone. Rural King, not Harbor Freight.

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CFishing@reddit

Of course the communist doesn’t have a nice gun. How many dogs did you have to walk to get that $200?

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RedneckMarxist@reddit

I have over 200 guns.

Just my two dogs.

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s_m_c_@reddit

With a tag like that, of course you're a poor moron

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TemperReformanda@reddit

That's fine if you're happy, I'm not telling anyone else what they should or should not do.

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DemureCynosure@reddit

I can't speak for iPhones, but non-Apple phones haven't been made in China since about 2019. Most phones are made in places like India, Vietnam, South Korea, Brazil, Indonesia, etc.

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chasteeny@reddit

Which is also only partially true, since most assemblies will includes parts and chips made all over, a good bulk of which originates from china

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RedneckMarxist@reddit

Brazil and Indonesia have local assembly plants to avoid high import fees.

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RedneckMarxist@reddit

Vietnam produces most of the Samsung lineup.

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grizzly8511@reddit

What options are there, really?

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DemureCynosure@reddit

Samsung. They haven't been made in China since 2019.

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RedneckMarxist@reddit

You can Google: European manufactured cell phones

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grizzly8511@reddit

They’re as European made as iPhones are American made.

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I_am_not_GeorgeBush@reddit

He had to put the caveat in there. “I’ll gladly support china with 99% of my purchases… but guns is where I draw the line!”

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RedneckMarxist@reddit

I have a Norinco BL-18 that I will stack up against any American made 88, or 870.

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DemureCynosure@reddit

Unreliable pump-action shotguns are almost unheard of in the modern era. They're one of the most basic firearm designs outside of single-shot designs. No one, and I mean absolutely no one, is going to be impressed with an 870 knock-off just because it works. Of course it works. It's just a pump shotgun. Remember when ATI was selling those pumps for $75? I put 500 shells through the thing without a single issue -- and that's not impressive. It's just a pump shotgun.

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MyFeetLookLikeHands@reddit

What places would pass that test though?

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TemperReformanda@reddit

Complex answer. Not going to into all the nuances.

It involves politics, which I'm not about to get into in this forum, there's not enough time in all history to deal with the people that come out of their holes to nitpick as if I cared what they think about my opinions......or as if anyone on Reddit ever changed anyone's mind.

It's not just merely politics either. China earned the reputation for manufacturing junk, it's going to take them a very long time to dig out of that hole.

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JulieMcRoyce@reddit

Speak for yourself. I have a type 56 sks and it’s ok.

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ShaggyRebel117@reddit

Still want an M305a, but even the syrup and moose people are getting screwed out of owning them.

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Big_Z_Diddy@reddit

A couple reasons:

They cannot be legally imported into the United States, the largest firearm market in the world by a WIDE margin.
They are often of poor quality compared to other imports.
There are plenty of other options.

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ProceduralShooter@reddit

Because they are made in China.

INB4 "yOuR tV aNd PhOnE aRe ChInNeEse!"

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Cracked_Crack_Head@reddit

They were popular before they mostly got import banned in the US. For awhile some of the most popular firearms in the US were things like Norinco MAK-90's and Type 56 SKS's. Canada has been still importing Chinese guns but with the state of their laws that might not last much longer.

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Preact5@reddit

Norinco AK's are legendary in the USA what are you talking about?

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raider1v11@reddit

The keyholing...seems to be an issue.

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Seattlehepcat@reddit

If you'd been around in the 80s, gun stores used to advertise in the newspaper. Chinese and Russian firearms used to be there all the time.

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Downtown_Teaching163@reddit

Chinese guns are kind of like Brazilian and Spanish guns. I've had great examples but also total garbage the quality control isn't the best. My Chinese Makarov is well made and no problems. As mentioned they tend to do better with guns they clone than original designs.

I'd like to try one of their AR clones but that won't happen in the USA. I actually did have one of the Chinese Browning takedown 22 clones that was super reliable but yes they generally really sucked. My lever action Winchester 12 gauge clone was horrible too. I miss $100 in 1994 dollars Tokarevs and sub $100 SKS's.

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Desperate-Limit-911@reddit

A) Because west Taiwan.

B) Because I dont trust their quality control further than I can throw a tractor.

C) because you dont need to buy Chinese crap when everything is available in better quality from elsewhere.

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yeah_yeah-whatever@reddit

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type 56

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Centremass@reddit

My Polytech Legend is the smoothest AK I own. It was a gift from an good friend of mine many years ago. I'll never sell it. 😁

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ChanceryKnight@reddit

Idk about Chinese type firearms, but Chinese clones of Western models are always like twice the weight and feel terrible.

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Troy_stoic@reddit

Cause we cant get em

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Beebjank@reddit

I don’t think they export their new rifles. I know they don’t export their 5.8 round.

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babushka45@reddit

I remember when IS affiliated rebels took a city in Mindanao. Filipino police and military entered the city to retake the city from Islamic rebels.

Frontline police the military were using standard issue M4s while the rearguard Filipino police using Norinco CQs donated by China.

Filipino SF were using Norinco LR4 sniper rifles but the main sniper teams used Remington rifles in 300 Win Magnum borrowed from US Marine Raiders stationed there.

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Baddy-Smalls@reddit

Depends on the person to be honest. Unfortunately Chinese made things don’t always have a reputation for quality. Even if that isn’t true in most cases for firearms. And in the US most Chinese made weapons aren’t available here, unfortunately. Which is a shame, because there are some decent rifles to be had. Like SKS, QBZ’s, and AK’s. The import laws prevent a lot of good shit coming here that aren’t parts kits.

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ChevTecGroup@reddit

They are popular in Canada's civilian market and in Chinese allied countries.

They are banned from import to the US (except some shotguns), otherwise we would still be seeing a ton of NORINCO imports like in the 80s

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Flat_chested_male@reddit

The norinco copy of the browning SA22 was always a garbage rod. The “just as good” crowd.

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RandoAtReddit@reddit

Norinco makes great combloc stuff.

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JefftheBaptist@reddit

Their 1911s were also really good if basic.

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wtfredditacct@reddit

Made*

Some of their new production is probably made on the same machinery as the old combloc stuff, but i doubt the material quality is the same. Also, any newer designs T97 (QBZ-95 Bullpup) have mostly been garbage.

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Familiar_Fee_7891@reddit

I had one. I sold it five days after I bought it. Absolute junk.

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Flat_chested_male@reddit

I hope you got most of your money back in the sale. I also feel bad for the guy who bought it.

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Familiar_Fee_7891@reddit

I was really happy when CDNN had a sale on Browning SA-22’s back around 2022. $500 delivered. Love mine.

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Superb_Extension1751@reddit

Yup. After the AK platform was banned here in 2019 the type 81 became very popular. It's banned now too unfortunately...

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_WhiteGoodman_@reddit

Because I don’t need my own weapon reporting my location to some Chinese drone 🤣. /s

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L0ssL3ssArt@reddit

They are more popular than you think. A good chunk of the AK seen in the middle east and Africa are type 56s. But their firearms are banned from imports in the US(and most of the west) and aren't notable for being particularly exceptional in any way for buyers to seek them out.

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Wood_Duke75@reddit

The Norinco stuff that Ive played with has been crude , stocked with mystery wood and smelled weird. But they all shot and were reliable.