Why exactly do people prefer using Linux on Lenovo Thinkpads?
Posted by Terrible_Abies458@reddit | linux | View on Reddit | 174 comments
Is it that hardware support is simply more common, or are the laptops themselves just that good? For example, I built a spreadsheet tracking which operating systems my clients prefer on which laptops. What stood out is that most of my ThinkPad clients consistently choose either Ubuntu or Linux Mint. (Thinkpads are built so well too)
LuminanceGayming@reddit
drivers good
yawara25@reddit
Why waste time say lot word when few word do trick?
brecrest@reddit
brevity good
shponglespore@reddit
terse better
brecrest@reddit
terseness and brevity same word type, brief terse same word type same syllable
base_13@reddit
why waste time say lot when few do trick
ccppurcell@reddit
y waste?
Isabeer@reddit
Why nano when vim?
ccppurcell@reddit
iCouldn't agree more.:wq
Dry_Inspection_4583@reddit
:x
frisbeethecat@reddit
M-x evil-mode
Repulsive-Year896@reddit
Yes
Anonymo@reddit
Y
flameleaf@reddit
alias y="yes"
aaronryder773@reddit
Here's a tip: The reason for [Y/n] (The Y is upper case and n is lower) is because the upper case is default. you don't even have to type y or Y just hit enter..
It's reverse on fedora based distro.. On fedora based distro it's like so: [y/N] the N is upper case in them which makes it default so you can just hit enter without typing n / N to cancel it.
No-Satisfaction9594@reddit
What do now?
jimirs@reddit
Why trying to find things in a GUI if you can have it all on a line (and with more options).
Atyracu@reddit
You could just say what you mean instead of trying to be clever. sometimes a bit more context helps the conversation
Holiday_Management60@reddit
Why waste many words when few sufficient?
(if anyone can beat this ill be impressed)
Holiday_Management60@reddit
Oh no wait I can beat it!
"why overstate when understatable?"
sidusnare@reddit
Because, for myself, by which I mean my own personal preferences, and in no way would impress my modalities upon anyone else, I prefer the exactness of meaning and mood that a well constructed and verbose sentence can communicate to you, by which I mean any reader that happens to receive these words and by doing so comes to understand the meaning which I have endeavored to convey.
Yours sincerely,
Mojo
kind_bros_hate_nazis@reddit
You gotta up those syllables if you want to make sesquipedalian. Those are rookie numbers
sidusnare@reddit
Go read it again in the monkey's voice.
vsoul@reddit
Want c world
RayNefarius@reddit
https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTZjMDliOTUyc2d4eGZya3IxZDVuNnFqZ2liem1xOXU2N3JiZjR3NHV5NXluMWZoayZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/DMNPDvtGTD9WLK2Xxa/giphy.gif
SpeedDaemon1969@reddit
fire bad
Longjumping-Youth934@reddit
Except old nvidia laptops... (
thegoodcrumpets@reddit
Bro out here saving the environment by making the comment section more token efficient 🙏
PhilGood_@reddit
a man of few words
lokeshj@reddit
also good repairability
Tiranus58@reddit
Good laptop, good drivers, big community
pizdachio@reddit
Hardware support is good and you get the "just works" experience with them. Except for fingerprint readers, but no one tells you that.
Junior_Common_9644@reddit
Why would anyone who likes Linux want a laptop with a working biometric security hole? I've never understood that.
No_One_4659@reddit
In many jurisdictions police doesn't need your consent to use your finger on the reader. This alone makes passwords superior
Junior_Common_9644@reddit
Exactly!
dcherryholmes@reddit
My t15g didn't work out of the box, but once I installed the necessary subsystems, it does. Of course, I'm on arch where very little is "OOB." Maybe on some other distros like Redhat or Ubuntu it would have "just worked."
AlternativeCapybara9@reddit
You need to add the Lenovo ppa for your model and fingerprint reader, card reader, webcams,... will work. These usually get merged upstream eventually.
Erchevara@reddit
My fingerprint reader works out of the box on Fedora. I have coworkers having trouble with it on Ubuntu/Kubuntu, which may have an outdated kernel for the latest ThinkPad.
pizdachio@reddit
You made me try setting it up again (I'm on Fedora too). I usually get an error message or the fingerprint reader "disconnects" when trying to register prints, but it worked now. I managed to register some fingerprints, but it doesn't recognise them when trying to log in. Oh well...
Erchevara@reddit
It does seem a bit more finicky on Linux compared to Windows.
Biometrics is something Windows does better, but it's due to OEMs having tight integration with Windows for it.
If OEMs were more involved in the biometrics part on Windows, we would have Windows-level face unlock and fingerprint scanning within a year, but I guess we just assume you lose biometrics when installing Linux.
I have it on my ROG Ally too and literally no one mentions that the fingerprint scanner doesn't work there at all. One of the OEMs that also handles Linux software is Valve, but SteamOS doesn't support secure boot, has no encryption, and doesn't support fingerprints for its unlock at all, so it's way behind on it.
cretingame@reddit
I have ubuntu, it worked out of the box. I just chose a certified hardware https://ubuntu.com/certified .
Dry_Inspection_4583@reddit
Zero config post install. It just works.
PraetorRU@reddit
Lenovo usually uses a solid hardware components with good support in linux. So, in most cases everything just works out of the box.
Cases are robust, with good access to components, so easy to upgrade memory, storage etc.
Material quality is also good, and most people are getting these lenovos from the second hand markets, so you get premium quality for not so much money, if you don't need the newest models.
My only problem with older Lenovo was that I had to hack the bios to be able to install a 3rd party battery instead of lenovo's certified one. Not sure if it's needed on current models or not.
SpeedDaemon1969@reddit
Are you implying that other brands don't? You could say that water is wet, but that's not a reason for drinking it, or choosing it over some other liquid.
PraetorRU@reddit
Most other brands are hit or miss. I'd say the other exception was Dell. For many years they produced a lot of laptops with good or perfect linux compatibility. But I've heard that in the last few years they struggle a lot, bad products, mad marketing etc.
SpeedDaemon1969@reddit
I can appreciate the marketing tactic of making a one-to-many comparison, then saying that the many aren't as cohesive as your single company. But that sort of comparison isn't a fair one.
I also notice how the same logical fallacy gets used in the other direction, claiming "linux compatibility" as if that's a Lenovo accomplishment, not the work of the many Linux kernel developers. The thing that makes Linux special is that it works on most hardware without any need to add special drivers, like Windows needs.
With most everything being made in Communist China now, Lenovo being owned by the CCP makes it easy to source components for Lenovo computers, true. But with that also being true of the vast majority of other brands as well, it's not really a distinction. It was when IBM made them in the USA, but not any more.
One thing that always made Linux superior to commercial operating systems has been its democratization of hardware, letting the masses choose what they run it on, vs. being told how to use it by a large corporation. The campaign to make a big corporation in a totalitarian country the official hardware of Linux is antithetical to what Linux is all about. And the world doesn't need another Wintel.
PraetorRU@reddit
Modern day USA is a much more totalitarian country than China.
It's unethical to buy any product made in USA or Israel these days.
And the last thing the world needs is an evil empire disguised as a democratic republic, that is trying to sabotage tech and energy availability around the globe to maintain its dominance.
SpeedDaemon1969@reddit
I'm familiar with that tactic too, deflect blame to another. I'm still not buying.
qwesx@reddit
Well, as long as you don't buy models with soldered modules. But at least Lenovo's very transparent about which devices come with slottable/soldered SO-DIMM slots. It's still something to pay attention to when buying refurbished/used Thinkpads (check psref with the exact type).
... at least as long as you don't buy a laptop from the E-series (as you'd expect from their cheapest offerings).
bnscv@reddit
I got a E14 Gen 6 and the material is good. From what I have read, it got much better on the last generations.
I haven't used a recent T-series though, so maybe my assessment of quality is inferior to yours.
qwesx@reddit
The last one I had in my hands from a few years ago (which I passed on to a colleague from Sales, because for some reasons that guy wanted the cheapest laptop to run his Powerpoint presentations 🤷) had one of the hinge casings broken after just a year of use (and some travel abroad). Hasn't happened to any of our T and P models...
But I am glad to hear the more recent editions are sturdier.
Anonymo@reddit
As long as you can afford RAM
Interesting-Big1980@reddit
Even with a soldered slot my T14 gen 2 has another proper slot. So my ram ranges from 16 to 48gb. And I really find it hard to believe I will ever use more than the current 32 I have.
Kastri14@reddit
The newest E-series laptops are not bad at all. Not as sturdy as my P50, but it still uses more "premium" materials"
omniuni@reddit
The E series can still be good on a budget, when it's needed.
Also, as someone with a bad back that can't carry a lot of weight, I know my Yoga isn't very upgradeable, but it's worth it for everything else.
PraetorRU@reddit
Some of the newer models are also "protected" with compound all over components, so yeah, some research is needed before buying any model.
KinTharEl@reddit
I agree for the most part, using a ThinkPad myself. but Lenovo also fucks up with modern fingerprint sensors that don't have direct linux drivers or the libraries aren't open source, so there's no work to make open source drivers.
wintrmt3@reddit
You should not use fingerprints at all, you literally leave them on everything you touch and it's not hard to create a replica to open your laptop, and the police can legally force you to open your laptop with it, unlike sharing your password.
KinTharEl@reddit
Yeah that's fair. It doesn't take me more than a second or two to input my password (it's not short, I'm just a fairly fluent typist), but more than anything, it bugs me that it's the only thing on my laptop that doesn't work.
FlorpCorp@reddit
I have a t480s, it has a fingerprint sensor and card reader that are both hard to get working on Linux. It requires some community driver with like 30 stars on GitHub. It also has support for mobile modems, but it whitelists specific ones and refuses to boot with anything else. Although I did manage to get around that once by just plugging it in while it was already booted past the BIOS.
Der_Hampelmann@reddit
Fingerprint is hit or miss. I have a Yoga laptop with upstream libfprint support so fingerprint work ootb. But I think Lenovo uses two suppliers for sensors elan and goodie. From my understanding elan has better Linux support. But I checked all the parts in my laptop for compatibility before buying so I might have been lucky
KinTharEl@reddit
You're off. Elan is the one that doesn't have support. Mine is an E14 Gen 3, with an Elan sensor.
Der_Hampelmann@reddit
There are probably some elan which are also not supported. I have this one and it's basically flawless:
suvepl@reddit
Yep, I recently bough a "new" used Thinkpad and it came with a Goodix fingerprint reader. Not only does my Linux install not recognize it, it fails to put it to sleep, so suspend is currently broken for me.
wowsomuchempty@reddit
T490s compatible.
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SpeedDaemon1969@reddit
YouTube, plain and simple. That marketing website has been hyping Thinkpads like crazy over the last year. And many who don't know any better are falling for it. Back when IBM owned the brand, and notebook computers were the latest thing, that reputation was well earned. That's why Lenovo bought the brand and likeness. But it would be foolish to think that was still the case 21 years later.
The people buying these things are most likely young, impressionable, and very interested in outward appearances. They're the perfect mark for slick salesmen to say "All the cool kids have this!" The truth is that most laptops will run Linux just fine, so there's just no real advantage there.
With so much computer stuff being discarded as e-waste, it's a shame to see elitists passing up some real bargains just to make marketers rich. I have several ASUS, Dell, Huawei notebooks, and have had IBM and Toshiba ones in the past. IME Linux just works on most of them, no problem. It's another story with Windows, particularly on AMD ones! I can remember having to install dozens of drivers to get Windows installed. These people are bringing Windows-think to Linux.
kudlitan@reddit
On a lot of hardware there are some things that don't work. But the components of a Lenovo laptop are all compatible with the drivers in the linux kernel. And if their laptop has features that are not supported by the linux kernel, Lenovo provides a driver. Other manufacturers only do that for windows.
sai_ismyname@reddit
the ven diagram for the user /target audience is a circle
hax0rz_@reddit
customisation - great linux support, many well-documented mods (keyboard replacement, monitor replacement, trackpad replacement etc)
good parts availability - if some part isn't to your liking or is broken, you can easily replace it
cheap - you can get a lot of computer for not a lot of money
design - people just like how they look and feel
While I personally think that older intel macbooks can be great linux laptops, they don't "just work" and lack the parts ecosystem. Also tend to be more expensive... for some reason.
Terrible_Abies458@reddit (OP)
personally, earlier macbook pros are not a good choice for most people since it had overheating problems. but i deff see people using macbook airs with linux. best battery life with a solid OS is pretty good these days
bankroll5441@reddit
Yeah I have a 2020 Intel MBP and that thing gets HOT
hax0rz_@reddit
got a 2014 mb air myself for general messing around with and aside from the wifi drivers it's working great
Terrible_Abies458@reddit (OP)
2013 also great!
Human_Cantaloupe8249@reddit
For me it was that I got the Laptop first (I needed a laptop and thankfully a friend recommended a used t470) and after using it with the stock windows for a few years, I switched to Linux. And I had the comfort of never having driver Issues. So because it was Laptop first Linux second, I can’t really answer the question why a thinkpad for Linux specifically but I can confirm what other say „it just works“ the only problem I ever had, was that polybar did not support the dual battery system natively I think
cediddi@reddit
With linux, we want stability. Thus the community usually leans into top quality devices. Thinkpads are indeed good quality, and well built. I know some people who still have x200s running fine with new batteries. Can't say the same for the same age hp probooks. I got a t14 gen 2 and it's chasis is strong, integration is well with Linux, and motherboard is maintainable. I also got an arm MacBook pro, it's chasis is the best, but Linux support is average, maintainability is non-existent.
brighton_it@reddit
T-Series: (or X1), durable, ship with TCG Opal 2 SED NVMe, and all needed firmware is in the Debian repo, good keyboards, keyboards easy to replace on all but the 'X' and 's' models. reasonably easy to open the case.
Also: I've wasted so many hours fighting with other Mgr hardware that just assumes M$ only use; requires passing additional kernel parameters before it will boot, etc., or have to side-load proprietary firmware/drivers.
xXBongSlut420Xx@reddit
good drivers and generally thinkpads are more well built and easily servicable than comparably priced laptops. It's also become a meme at this point.
usernamedottxt@reddit
Thinkpads are dirt cheap. Or used to be anyway.
Calico_Shortcake@reddit
I guess it’s both. I use Fedora Linux on my Lenovo Yoga, and it works perfectly.
The only thing I cannot really use is the facial recognition. The IR cameras work, but we do not have yet software integration between them and Gnome (or other DEs).
I know Howdy tried to solve this, but it looks to be not actively developed nowadays.
vVict0rx@reddit
it's black
Introvertosaurus@reddit
Smart people buy Thinkpads, smart people use linux. It's a correlation, not a causation.
Designer-Suggestion6@reddit
I recall Linus Torvalds saying he loves using Thinkpads as well. There are others that praised Thinkpads with Linux.
Myself, I really like the keyboard. When it's defective I can easily replace it. I can clean it myself reasonably as well. The price point of buying one used also had a factor to play as well. I can't afford buying the new ones and the used ones perform well enough for me. I bought one for my son and for one of his friends because I value the quality and reliability of these beasts. No complaints from my son either.
webby-debby-404@reddit
It might be the other way around, people who have chosen linux over those other OS-es prefer Thinkpads because of build quality, specs and supported hardware.
Arctic_Ninja08643@reddit
Lenovo let me configure perfect laptop for work. Lots of ram, good camera for calls, num pad, enouth usb ports, enouth hdmi ports, no cd reader, no touch screen, no bullshit, perfect size. Good price, perfect product.
And I could buy it without any OS - so no Windows I would need to pay extra for. I just put own OS on it. Easy, perfect, love Lenovo.
Terrible_Abies458@reddit (OP)
thats actually cool for a company to let you choose what you want
Arctic_Ninja08643@reddit
I tried to find a complete finished pre-build laptop but I couldn't find a single one that I liked. Either it had no num pad, or it had a touchscreen, or a potato camera, or some other stupid stuff I dont need and I dont want to pay extra for.
And also, big thing, I live in a German speaking country and its such a pain in the ass to find a laptop in the store that has the qwerty layout. Basically nearly impossible. So I had another reason to just buy online and just select all components myself, including my preferred keyboard layout.
Terrible_Abies458@reddit (OP)
ngl, massive respect for choosing that road. do you still use it to this day?
Arctic_Ninja08643@reddit
And after I selected the components online, they build it together and send it to me ready to go. So the service was also very good.
Terrible_Abies458@reddit (OP)
firee, surprised by the battery being good considering that in my experiences, thinkpad laptop batterys arent that good. it could also be due to age but i never held a thinkpad with a new battery in lol
Arctic_Ninja08643@reddit
Yes I only bought it less than a year ago. And its by far the best laptop I've ever had. I work as a software engineer and it handles absolutely everything without struggles. I can even keep it in sleep mode for a week and the battery will only loose a tiny amount of %s. I would always choose a ThinkPad over everything else.
carlanwray@reddit
I really don't know. I've never had another brand of laptop.🫣😄
Terrible_Abies458@reddit (OP)
loll
fix_and_repair@reddit
coreboot or libreboot
Vulpes_99@reddit
Great hardware support on computers built to last very long under professional use. It's the perfect marriage.
lumbee01@reddit
I use a Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 9 as my daily driver. I've installed multiple Linux distros on it and it just works after installation. Currently I'm running Debian 13.4 Trrxie. Performance is good, I never hear the fans, and battery drainage is satisfactory. The only issue I don't like are the speakers. The sound output is horrible, JamesDSP helps some but no where near what Windows sound output provides. I do understand Dolby Atmos is not open source, playing around with JamesDSP settings helps some.
dcherryholmes@reddit
I accidentally ran over one with my car. Kept using it for a few years.
Terrible_Abies458@reddit (OP)
was there any damage???? holy crap, please tell me the model number haha
dcherryholmes@reddit
Well I was trying to keep it succinct but, since someone actually replied, the full story is: I had it in my gym bag. I left something in my friend's house, so I sat it on the ground next to my trunk and went back in. I forgot about it, hopped in my car, and backed up. Luckily, because of the gym bag, my tires mostly just spun on top of it. It wore down and rounded off one corner of the case, so it definitely had at least some amount of the car's weight on the chassis. But other than that damage to a corner of the lid, there wasn't anything else. No screen cracks, keyboard fine, internals fine, etc. I used it for a few years. But here's the crazy part: this was the early 2000's and IIRC this was one of the "e" series, which I think were the cheap ones at the time.
llothar@reddit
I will just day that it is not a guarantee that everything will work on a ThinkPad, but you are much closer than with almost any other brand.
I recently got E14 Gen5 AMD. Fingerprint reader needs tinkering, and Realtek wifi drops dead sometimes - I'm replacing it with intel one for cheap
Terrible_Abies458@reddit (OP)
keep the laptop for now, people will find solutions for those problems. heck, maybe you can even find a solution :-)
llothar@reddit
I wrote poorly - I am replacing the Realtek wifi card with an Intel wifi card, not the whole laptop :). Those are dirt cheap and easy to replace.
udi503@reddit
Posers
Terrible_Abies458@reddit (OP)
nuh uh
limaunion@reddit
Because TP T14s are rock solid
Terrible_Abies458@reddit (OP)
laptop kicks ass
MintAlone@reddit
Built like brick sh*thouses - at least the older ones, very linux friendly, lots available second hand, easy to fix (hardware reference manual) and parts cheap.
Been a thinkpad user +20 years and always bought used.
Terrible_Abies458@reddit (OP)
i think most people who uses thinkpads buy it secondhand since theres nothing wrong with it lol
LuisBoyokan@reddit
I think that is the other way around. No one gives a fuck about brands, but Linux guys are usually geeks and give a fuck about brands.
Terrible_Abies458@reddit (OP)
lmao
m4nf47@reddit
The history of IBM support for Linux started over two decades ago when ThinkPads were still IBM branded. The legacy of IBM support for Linux on older enterprise laptop hardware earned the ThinkPad a special place among Linux enthusiasts. IBM internally supported Linux (mostly Fedora and Red Hat) running on ThinkPad laptops as a first class end user desktop operating system since long before they acquired the Red Hat vendor. There are still at least a few thousand Linux desktop users within IBM mostly using T and X series ThinkPad models as daily drivers.
Terrible_Abies458@reddit (OP)
funnily enough i had to service one IBM Thinkpad, they wanted a hard drive replacement. easiest replacement of my life
runningwithwizards@reddit
Basically it is a massively produced business line, so the hardware is common and you don't run into silly issues, like some penny pincher got some deal on some super random wifi chip that works 75% of the time. They're built for real work reliability.
Terrible_Abies458@reddit (OP)
100%
fellipec@reddit
That keyboard, just sexy
Terrible_Abies458@reddit (OP)
especially the older thinkpads :-)
Confident_Dragon@reddit
The kind of people who care to have high-quality and reliable hardware tend to care about having reliable software.
Terrible_Abies458@reddit (OP)
thinkpads are the gold standard
No_Base4946@reddit
Thinkpads are like Ford Transits, or Skoda Octavias. Why would you buy an Octavia? Well, because half a million taxi drivers can't be wrong, right?
They're solidly built, they use very standard parts so there's no weirdass drivers to install, and they're surprisingly cheap to buy second-hand. Buy one for pennies, throw an SSD and as much RAM as will fit in, stick Linux on, and everything will work, straight away.
Terrible_Abies458@reddit (OP)
100% agree
IncidentalIncidence@reddit
people aren't wrong about the drivers, but the "thinkpad+linux" subculture comes from back in the day when IBM used to make them, and the early Lenovo years. They were well-built, very robust laptops. They used to have features like liquid drainage channels (so if you spilled drinks on the keyboard it would drain out the bottom of the laptop, limiting the damage), and Lenovo used to publish detailed manuals explaining exactly how to do your own maintenance and repairs on the laptops, with the part numbers that you needed for replacements, even down to the spec torque settings for individual screws (which is a hilarious level of detail for a laptop, as opposed to something like a car or bike).
Here for example is the is service manual for the X220, which is still available on Lenovo's website: https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/0a60739_01.pdf
Just go look at the table of contents, they walk you through things like how you can replace the keyboard (people used to do this to change the keyboard to different languages) or how you can replace the front bezel with the fingerprint reader version, or how you can install a WWAN card (this was a network card that let you connect the laptop to the cellular network).
And because thinkpads were such a popular corporate laptop, there were always plenty of them on eBay being sold off when companies got new laptop fleets, that were usually only 3-4 years old and still had plenty of life left. That meant you could get good deals on really decent laptops, in good condition, and there was plenty of market also for spare parts for them.
Today, that kind of repairability and parts market is a boutique feature (ex. the framework), but I think it's pretty self-explanatory why the repairability and robustness of the laptops made it popular in FOSS circles. It's really a shame, I would probably still be using my X220 today if I hadn't broken it back in 2019. IMO it's still the best laptop ever made.
Terrible_Abies458@reddit (OP)
ngl the best opinion ive seen in a while
MaybeTheDoctor@reddit
The bias in your spreadsheet is because people who specifically want to use Linux on their laptop will search for the hardware which is most reliable supports Linux.
Just doing a google search for "linux laptop" gives you recommendations like this where Lenovo is the top contender for best linux hardware
Terrible_Abies458@reddit (OP)
thats actually solid, never thought of that
Bubbly_Extreme4986@reddit
I dunno about your clients but basically if you go way way back in time to 2008 ish the thinkpads were the victims of the FSFs hackers and were basically 100% reverse engineered. They can be run with 100% free as in freedom software
Terrible_Abies458@reddit (OP)
oh thats crazy, my clients are noobs to linux but really want to try them out due to them not being able to afford a supported windows 11 pc
quicksand8917@reddit
Wasn't 2008 like five years ago? /s
theindomitablefred@reddit
I read somewhere that they’re required to have compatibility with either Ubuntu or Fedora out of the box, I think it was Ubuntu but they work well with both.
Sibexico@reddit
Drivers support. That's it. Since Lenovo obtained the laptop line from IBM, the quality dropped dramatically. Now it's nothing good in Lenovo laptops (even in the ThinkPad series) but drivers support. The components quality is equal to any noname Chinese trash. So yeah, Lenovo made the same with Motorola phones: modern Motorola phones produced by Lenovo and as well as laptops have a quality of noname Chinese trash.
Terrible_Abies458@reddit (OP)
ngl solid answers, ty yall
cyrixlord@reddit
most Lenovo s can be installed with Linux from the factory. that means all the components will have Linux drivers for them.
DesertGeist-@reddit
thinkpads are sturdy and support linux, that's why linux users often get themselves a thinkpad.
lnxguy@reddit
I have a Lenovo Legion and it is the more modern (not really) replacement for the Thinkpad. No red pointer, but still a tank and great compatibility.
martian73@reddit
You can actually buy a thinkpad with Fedora pre installed. Ubuntu too if you’re into that. I know of at least one company that issues thinkpads to employees for their corporate Linux builds
TestingTheories@reddit
Just an FYI, I went from Mint to Fedora in my Thinkpad and the battery life improvement was insane. RE why, I’m just got my first Thinkpad (X1 Carbon) and it’s great. Fedora and Ubuntu apparently work with Lenovo to ensure optimal support.
FluffyGreyfoot@reddit
I know when I bought my t14 g3 a couple years ago that there was even an option for it to come pre-loaded with Ubuntu (and Fedora? Can't remember) out of the box.
TestingTheories@reddit
Yeah, I’ve heard both were options in the past.
Intrepid-Treacle1033@reddit
Thinkpad should be its own brand. When i see post like "Lenovos laptops suck" its never a Thinkpad, its a Idepad, Yoga or whatever the others are called.
If you are a Linux enthusiast dont think of getting any Lenovo except a Thinkpad.
homeless_wonders@reddit
Easy to self repair, drivers are good, and laptops are sturdy.
PurepointDog@reddit
The right-to-repair aspects are huge! Can't believe they're not mentioned higher up.
Upgradable laptop RAM is becoming insanely tough to find these days.
artnoi43@reddit
good keyboard, decent cooling, easy to find/upgrade parts, driver support, etc.
plus if you’re a dev, the environment doesn’t fight you
captainstormy@reddit
Thinkpads are just good quality hardware that is easy for the user to service compared to other laptops. It's good regardless of what OS you are on.
Calyx76@reddit
Drivers are that good. Hardware is still good, and the price is good. Personally I think it's a no brainer to strip a barely functional OS off the laptop and install one that works that well.
bje332013@reddit
As someone who owns a T480 Thinkpad with Linux, and has put Linux on laptops from Asus and Acer, I think the preference is largely because Thinkpads are well-built, business class devices - not cheap consumer-grade devices.
Linux has worked perfectly on virtually every machine I've ever put it on. Here are the only exceptions I can think of:
(1) The most recent Acer laptop I'd been using had an AMD GPU chipset had to be disabled in the BIOS in order for Manjaro's XFCE desktop environment to actually load. In other words, Manjaro wouldn't load the XFCE desktop environment unless the laptop was using CPU-rendered graphics rather than those rendered by the GPU.
(2) My current Lenovo T480 is the first laptop I've ever used that has a fingerprint scanner, and that fingerprint scanner is the one thing I haven't been able to get working in Lubuntu.
Based on those experiences, I think Thinkpads are largely preferred because a lot of Linux users can appreciate how superior their build quality and designs are relative to consumer-grade laptops. In my experience, Linux is already highly compatible with laptop hardware regardless of the manufacturer.
DoubleOwl7777@reddit
fingerprint scanner doesnt work with fprintd?
bje332013@reddit
Correct. I tried frprintd and all kinds of other third party workarounds. None of them work.
The T480's fingerprint scanner reportedly works in Ubuntu, but I literally get an error that prevents me from installing Ubuntu to my laptop. I put Lubuntu on instead, which is based on Ubuntu but has a lite desktop environment instead of Ubuntu's bloated desktop environment (GNOME).
Sgt0ddball@reddit
Two separate decisions.
I have bought and used many other windows laptops at a (low) price point, they are all uniformly terrible in build quality. My work issues thinkpads, and I have used them for years. They are built very well. They are also reasonable prices refurbished. For less money I can get something solid rather than flimsy.
I use Linux because, I don’t want to use windows. Mainly, I don’t want to have to sign up to a corporate cloud account to use my own laptop.
Thinkpad Linux support is just an added bonus.
yolobastard1337@reddit
trackpoint 4 life
JockstrapCummies@reddit
Please use the proper terminology: ThinkNip.
gen2brain@reddit
This. I usually disable the touchpad if that thinkpad has one (serves just to rest my hands). I also have external Lenovo keyboard with trackpoint when I am in "desktop" mode with external monitor. Scrolling dozens of pages without lifting a finger is hard to beat.
accelerating_@reddit
Love my Tex Shinobi keyboard. Classic Thinkpad layout mechanical with a very good track point.
Jwhodis@reddit
Thinkpads are like the Linux of hardware, they're really easy to fix and upgrade, some you can even upgrade the CPU or display, and they're built to actually last.
Artistic-Ant4643@reddit
Thinkpads have good hardware support for linux and there is a huge community for thinkpad on linux.
FaydedMemories@reddit
Yep, also helped that back when I was there (I think they still do, but not sure), Red Hat mainly used Thinkpads/etc for staff machines (unless specific requirements dictated otherwise), so there was motivation to make sure that they worked flawlessly, and they really did. Sending back my laptop/etc when I left was super bittersweet because of just how well it worked.
rubdos@reddit
Slightly ironic actually that IBM sold Lenovo and bought Red Hat 🤔
bobthebobbest@reddit
keyboard is luxurious.
TheMightyMisanthrope@reddit
Those machines are perfect and indestructible
pythosynthesis@reddit
One thing I haven't seen ITT yet... You can buy a ThinkPad without paying the Windows license, $150 saved.
RudePragmatist@reddit
I have used many Thinkpads over the years and while their heyday might be behind them they have always been really solid laptops.
You can knock them of the server rack you’re working on and they just carry on like nothing happened. If it had been Windows it’d have blue screened at the first opportunity.
I’ve used SUSE, Debian (and derivatives) and Fedora and never had any issues.
Usual-Carrot6352@reddit
Recent Linux kernel updates (6.17+) have introduced improved native support for Lenovo Legion laptops, including specialized WMI gaming drivers and better hardware monitoring for fan speeds expected in kernel 7.1
DoubleOwl7777@reddit
good drivers, good quality, often repairable.
untrained9823@reddit
They're good laptops with good Linux support that you can buy used cheaply.
TURB0T0XIK@reddit
I went for the ThinkPad because of build quality and found out software support was excellent too
AudioHamsa@reddit
it just works
MGMan-01@reddit
For my case, work has a contract with Lenovo so when I purchase a retired work laptop once every few years it's always a Lenovo. The Linux drivers all just work on these laptops so I don't have any reason to seek our a different brand for home use.
Less_Party@reddit
They're just the least garbage x86 laptops.
dsartori@reddit
This is my reason. Almost nobody builds quality laptops anymore. Lenovo build quality in their high end models is the most consistent. Plus black is cool.
orutrasamreb@reddit
its primarily because of the hardware, especially on the T and P series as mentioned earlier. I have a couple of T series and I've run Kubuntu, Mint, Ubuntu, Debian, Slackware, Gentoo and even FreeBSD and they just work, except for some very minor Mic issue with FreeBSD.
The company I used to work for, we were on Slackware for a good number of years until we were acquired by another company who asked us to convert to Windows.
Walzmyn@reddit
I've always liked thinkpads, specifically their keyboards. And I run Linux.
Happy coincidence that their hardware support is also really good.
fletku_mato@reddit
Apart from them being the most probable ones to not cause you trouble when running Linux, T- and P-series Thinkpads are quite good.
Krasi-1545@reddit
As far as I know Lenovo sells some models with Ubuntu pre installed if the user specifically selected that option from the web store.
Also Lenovo promised that the said models will use hardware certified for Linux and/or will provide the necessary drivers to work properly under Linux.
Erchevara@reddit
It just works. I installed Fedora on it and it just works.
It updates everything on reboot (including BIOS), no 3rd party apps for things that work out of the box on Linux.
You know the "this meeting could have been an email" meme? Using Windows on a ThinkPad feels exactly like that after experiencing Linux on it. Heck, using Linux feels like that thing that you're used to being a meeting, just showing up on your to-do list for the day as a simple task.
the_reven@reddit
The couple of Asus laptops I have, I had to replace the mediatek wifi with Intel, but other than that they work perfect too. Mediatek wifi probably works now. Was a couple years ago when I had to replace them
DirectionEven8976@reddit
I just don't like windows.