Russian Ship Carrying Suspected Stolen Ukrainian Grain Docks in Israel After Weeks of Delay
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HermitOfLifeMountain@reddit
Wait... What? Russia sending Ukrainian grain to Israel? While Israel is attacking everyone including Iran whom Russia supports and meanwhile Ukraine is helping fight Iran. So... Who's supporting who now?
Lower_Cockroach2432@reddit
Where did people get this idea from the Russia and Iran are allies? Russia only supports Iran insofar as they might create an obstacle for the United States. That obstacle is working and will continue working due to Trump's intransigency. They're not natural allies because both of them have a natural competing interest in the Caucuses.
Israel and Russia *are* in the position to be natural allies because both compete with Turkey and don't really overlap with each other's interests. Notice that Israel is not on Russia's "Unfriendly Countries" list. Israel also has a *lot* more cultural overlap with Russia than it does with any European country or the United States.
The key factor here is that countries are effectively withheld from their "natural" allegiances because of the influence of US foreign policy which simultaneously wanted a free Europe under their economic umbrella, and a subjugated Arab world under Israeli might; Israel keeps its neighbours either too weak to oppose US interests (Syria, Lebanon) or too frightened (the Gulf, Jordan, Egypt). If the US didn't provide money to support this contradictory setup then Israel and Russia would be open allies and Iran would be sidelined.
Russia wants Iran to be roughly the same thing as the US wants Ukraine to be: a thorn. Strong enough that they don't roll over into their opponent's court, but not strong enough to definitively assert their independence and sovereignty. For a thorn that doesn't at least invite the possibility of attack is a pretty bad tool at pricking their adversary. If US influence in Israel were to weaken, we'd see Russia attacking Iran alongside them.
type_E@reddit
cultural overlap huh... how much of the r/normaldayinrussia stuff apply to Israel?
Lower_Cockroach2432@reddit
While very funny, it's extremely clear that what you've linked is essentially a propaganda sub. You can't seriously believe that one guy opening vodka with their heads is a faithful representation of a country of 150 million people?
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Wholesomebob@reddit
Don't they buy drones from Iran?
ShootmansNC@reddit
Yeah, that's called trading.
Dot-Slash-Dot@reddit
They did in late 2022, early 2023. But they really only traded an initial supply, training and help with setting up a production line. Since then they produce their own.
And they had to heavily overpay for those, Iran charged them a 5-10x markup over their production costs. Hardly the actions of "friends/allies".
Lower_Cockroach2432@reddit
Not anymore. They manufacture them in-house. They did initially.
Virtual-Pension-991@reddit
In exchange, for essenrially Russia's pride and joy, the SU-34 schematic, and some other stuff if my memory serves me right.
teslawhaleshark@reddit
Missile rearmament programs
loggy_sci@reddit
Oh my god. Iran and Russia literally signed a Comprehensive Strategic Partnership Treaty last year. It’s a 20-year agreement on economics, defense, intelligence sharing. It covers regional cooperation in the South Caucuses.
WestcoastAlex@reddit
precisely
Large_Awareness_9416@reddit
No friends or enemies. Only interests.
Magjee@reddit
100%
mayorofdumb@reddit
The grain must flow
YukariYakum0@reddit
The spice is life
Lowetheiy@reddit
Well said, when will our silly naive politicians in the West understand this and stop with the cringle moralizing nonsense.
barc0debaby@reddit
Israel sold Russia hundreds of millions in military technology prior to the full scale invasion.
Israel and Russia signed agreements not to sell arms to Iran or Ukraine.
Prior to the US/Israeli war, Russia had provided Israel with Intel against Iran.
When Russia invaded Georgia, Israel gave Russia access codes to military tech that Israel had sold to Russia.
Putin was heavily featured in Netanyahu's election campaigns. Bibi and Putin are very close.
The countries have a visa free travel agreement.
Russia is Israel's largest supplier of oil.
Russia has multiple state owned tech companies with branches and investments in Israel. Yandex, Russia's equivalent to Google even opened a Computer Sciences school at the University of Tel Aviv.
I imagine part of why the US can't even soften relations with Israel is that Israel would immediately increase relations with Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Russia_relations
teslawhaleshark@reddit
Israeli Forpost drones still fly in Russia
teslawhaleshark@reddit
Conservatives have no borders
BiPoLaRadiation@reddit
It all makes sense if you just forget about moral guides and just think about immediate benefits.
You see, Isreal is geopolitically against Iran in their local region. But they are cool with Russia since Russia is also in the parriah state club with them.
Meanwhile Russia supports Iran since they counter and attack US power in the region and open up opportunities for themselves to gain power. They don't actually care about the Iranian people or any one else in the middle east though so if they can also sell their I'll gotten gains that most of the world would balk at to Isreal then that's great. They might even like Isreal for starting this war since Iran is much more useful of a pawn in this hot war with the US than they ever were when they propped up terrorists and rebel groups. And Isreal is also causing chaos and instability which might allow them to make a come back into the Levant after they lost their power base with Assad in Syria.
So all in all, Isreal and Russia don't actually have "friends" or "allies", they have useful pawns and stooges they can manipulate for their own geopolitical gains.
In both these cases "Isreal" means Netanyahu and his government and "Russia" means Putin and his government. The people of these nations are just as much tools to their leaders as their supposed allies.
Guaire1@reddit
Russia and Israel have been historical friends since israel's founding
alien_farmer1@reddit
Russia plays 5 dimensional chess.
kagethemage@reddit
Israel and Russia have always been on the same side…. Half of the Russian Oligarchs have duel Israeli passports.
SpinningHead@reddit
15% of Israelis are Russian speakers.
Treesaregreen2@reddit
Like 15-20% of Israelis are Russian so it’s not that surprising.
Thug-shaketh9499@reddit
Is that actually Russian or “Russian Jew” which from my understanding is any speaking Russian?
Weapos@reddit
He's referring to Russian-Israeli dual citizens, not Russian nationals. There are Russians in Israel, but most of them are spouses of Jews.
Thug-shaketh9499@reddit
Ah ok. Tnx for the clarification
Treesaregreen2@reddit
Like 15-20% of all Israelis are Russian so it’s not that surprising.
TheBigOof96@reddit
The things you do for sweet sweet cash
Current-Wealth-756@reddit
I can't find any article on this from any news outlet that isn't a Ukrainian propaganda outlet, so probably best to take this with a big grain of salt, in case the word "suspected" in the title didn't already tip you off that this was questionable at best.
Is anyone else able to find any confirmation of this from a normal news source?
Girelom@reddit
I think neutral headline can be "Cargo ship carrying Russian grain docked in Israeli port." If I`m correct then it is not newsworthy.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
What do you believe is more likely to have been loaded from a Ukrainian port: Russian grain or Ukrainian grain?
dezastrologu@reddit
Especially with the reported double digit millions of tonnes of stolen grain.
dezastrologu@reddit
Wow you’re fucking thick.
Russian ship departing from a Ukrainian port.
Surely this is Russian grain guys!
TraditionalGap1@reddit
Did you spend any time, at all, looking at the links they provided? Looking up the ship in AIS?
Do you 'suspect' that this ship was loaded with Russian grain out of Ukrainian port?
Current-Wealth-756@reddit
By stolen Ukrainian grain they mean grain produced in areas that have changed hands in the last few years from Ukraine or Russia. That's quite believable.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
Do you always intentionally reply without any regard for the actual contents of the comments you're replying to?
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