Hezbollah says it will not abide by agreements from Lebanon-Israel talks
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giboauja@reddit
Hezbollah like Israel never abides by agreements anyway. All of this is ultimately pointless and will give Israeli hardliners (at this point the majority) all the justification they need to invade and stop Hezbollah rocket fire for good.
The fact that there buffer zone gets larger and larger will be a quirkey little coincidence.
Its worth remembering Hezbollah helped kill hundred of thousands in Syria. They are also monsters and capable of immense brutality. This isnt about good guys vs bad guys. Everyone is pretty awful here.
Note it could be argued Hezbollah intentionally fractures Lebanon into a weak state to ensure the Shia region is self governing and under the influence of Iran.
The Lebanese government really doesnt want to involved in Irans cold war (currently very hot) with Israel and the gulf states and are ostensibly forced to because of Hezbollah.
BendicantMias@reddit
Well Israels' excuse for breaking the US-Iran ceasefire is that they weren't party to it and so never agreed to it. The same applies to Hezbollah then.
Tbh I wonder about what all this craven Zionist pandering is doing to Aouns' support in Lebanon. Israel has repeatedly escalated its war in Lebanon, to the point where it's now outright annexing parts of it. There's only so many times you can keep pointing the finger at Hezbollah for that, despite that its Israel that's going around killing your people, before it just looks like you're a coward and a sellout. How long will the Lebanese people keep eating that excuse?
Also how long will the Lebanese army keep obeying orders not to fight back, while the people they're supposed to be protecting, and even their families, keep getting killed not by Hezbollah, but Israeli bombs? When's the mutiny?..
mdedetrich@reddit
For its entire history of existence, Hezzbolah has acted as a rouge state within Lebanon that did its own thing and never cared for the Lebanese government. This means they have done everything ranging from assassinating a prime minister that they didn't like to dragging Lebanon in wars that Lebanon itself had no interest in (the latest ceasefire Hezzbolah broke all on its own, Israel did not attack Lebanon at all, Hezzbolah attacked Israel for "solidarity" in whats happening in Iran which is just further proof that they are not legitimate representations of Lebanon but rather just an Iranian proxy).
I would say most critically, they did not abide by UN resolution 1701 which asked for complete military disarmament of Hezzbolah and retreating above the Litani River in return for Israel returning all of the land. Israel returned all the land, but Hezzbolah never disarmed (because Lebanon never had the military strength to force Hezzbolah to do so).
If you ask Lebanese and look at surveys, they overwhelmingly (~80%) hate Hezzbolah and want them removed from Lebanon. Its not that they like Israel (for obvious reasons most of the dislike Israel) but to them, all that Hezzbolah has done is act as Iran's puppet and drag Lebanon into wars that has impoverished the country. This has nothing to do with Zionist pandering but rather Lebanon wanting to finally get rid of a cancer, as its the first time in history that Hezzbolah has been so weak.
FormerLawfulness6@reddit
Egypt and Jordan get left alone because they're still strong enough to push the IDF back and because they enjoy enough US support to remain stable. Lebanon is weak, divided, unstable, and has already been abandoned by the states that would exact a diplomatic price on Israel.
Israel doesn't make peace. They strategically organize their resources to steal land more effectively. Annexation in Egypt and Jordan hasn't been abandoned, just deprioritized while they focus on the states in the Clean Break document as Israel can't afford to be completely surrounded by war. A 1996 American neocon document created for and in collaboration with Netanyahu offering support for sabotaging Oslo and remaking Arab-Israeli relations by destabilizing Syria, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, and Sudan. The Jordanian Hashemites are believed to have collaborated and provided intelligence hoping the Americans would help them take territory in Iraq and possibly garner support from the Shia population in Lebanon.
mdedetrich@reddit
Thats an implicit way of saying that its only possible for Arab states to heave peace with Israel if its forced by US backed strongman.
Which is not a very good look for the countries that surround Israel as your basically saying that its not possible for Arab countries to make peace with Israel unless their hand is forced.
FormerLawfulness6@reddit
You're welcome to read "Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm" for yourself, it's public record. There's plenty of analysis on it dating back to the early 2000s.
The question isn't whether Arab countries are willing to make peace. The question is if Israel will be forced to respect peace or if they will recieve "unconditional support" from the US. Including unlimited weapons, a veto of any UN resolutions, and pressure on the target state by the US. How do you make peace with a country that systematically refuses to abide by the terms and treats the basic concept of sovereignty as a threat to their national security?
mdedetrich@reddit
It very obviously is
Israel has entirely respected every genuine peace deal that it has signed, again see Egypt or Jordan. You may not like not the conditions under which these deals were struck, but that is besides the point as its a strawman that you created.
And to be clear on how legitimate these peace deals are, Israel did combined military operations with Egypt to clear IS (Islamic State) from Egyptian territory. That does not happen unless countries have legitimate peace.
Simple, stop attacking Israel, its a very simple policy.
FormerLawfulness6@reddit
Hey, if you're good being on the front lines of a territorially aggressive neighbor that takes feral joy in depopulating entire regions for settlement and annexation with absolutely no signs of stopping, I'm probably not going to be the one to change your mind. Israel will do that when if they manage to take the South and use it as an outpost for further incursions, destabilization operations, sabotage of infrastructure, bombings, and assassination.
I know it's tempting to believe that the aggressors will leave you alone if you just submit, but that hasn't worked out historically. Israel and the US want hegomonic dominance, not peace based on mutual security. That can only be achieved by keeping states weak, unstable, and dependent. That's not speculation, it's public policy based on the 70-odd coups we've been involved with.
mdedetrich@reddit
My family comes from Eastern Europe where we had to deal with this far longer than Israel has even existed (look up Russia). I am well aware of this.
Actually this is where you are completely wrong, the only way to get peace is to prioritize it and leave revenge behind. You will never get peace by constantly attacking nearby countries, even if its in the name of "resistance". I mean do you see Germany attacking Poland because all of western Poland was ethnically cleansed of Germans, or do you see Poland attacking Ukraine because all of eastern Ukraine was ethnically cleansed of Poles?
After WW2, all EU countries "submitted" (and this is in air quotes because in reality we are simply talking about not attacking with force to resolve disputes).
In doing so, EU became a country of peace which is quite outstanding given that before that, it was one of the most barbaric/war torn continents with countries constantly fighting eachother, taking eachothers land etc etc.
The difference in the middle east is that its all about revenge and taking back land which was "taken". This is why the situation with Russia is so different to Israel, no European country ever attacked Russia since WW2, even with all of the century old imperialist genocidal history.
FormerLawfulness6@reddit
The EU reached a mutual pact of understanding. Not a unilateral hegemonic dominance under the threat of being obliterated by overwhelming military force.
It would be a fundamental category error to think that the US would ever allow the MENA region to build a leace based on sovereignty and mutual security. Their objective is to turn it into a new age resource colony and free economic zone for the purpose of exploitation. The Middle East is never going to be treated as part of the political West no matter how much people want to imagine that the neo-imperialist context doesn't matter. The US would rather see them wiped out, reduced to failed states and permanent civil war than have states strong enough to act on their sovereign interests.
mdedetrich@reddit
In what history do you live? We absolutely came to this agreement due to the military dominance of the US so much so that we even allowed them to become the dominant financial power with a reserved currency, what do you think is behind all of the current US-EU military/NATO lead tensions are due to?
Also you shot your own goal here. While it is true that EU came to an understanding, again that understand was to prioritize peace over everything else. No more armed conflicts, no more "resistance", no more violence.
The middle east did not do this. If we are talking about the conflict in context (i.e. Lebanon-Israel historical conflict), it started with PLO attacking Israel with the intention of trying to seize territory that it thinks its lost due to the formation of Israel. It should also be noted what PLO did wasn't unique to Israel, they also did it to Jordan (see Black September). This fyi, is why no Arab countries in the area were willing to either accept Palestinian refugees or even help run Palestine as a country, there is an entire here.
On the other hand, you can just throw a dart on an EU map and you have quite good chances of finding a piece of land that has swapped hands with enough territories/empires that you can fit on your hand.
And yet, again, EU countries collectively decided that its not worth it to constantly fight over land.
This is more conspiracy theory. The US did this to Europe, which turned it one of the most stable and secure continents on the planet and it benefited them greatly as US-EU trade is the strongest trade partnership in the world.
If anything, and assuming US is economically rational (currently they aren't thanks to Trump) they would vastly prefer a stable middle east. Do you remember what happened in the 70's due to the oil shock driven by middle eastern and how much damage that did to the US. Not only financially but also in terms of optics and relations??
FormerLawfulness6@reddit
Prioritizing peace over everything requires a mutual understanding. Israel demands that everyone else submit to their territorial aggression and possess no means of defense while they enjoy absolute regional dominance. The collective decision has not been made and only exactly one party has unconditional support for every conceivable act of aggression including ethnic cleansing and genocide while the US is content to see every other country in the region reduce to a chaotic failed state do long as Israel comes out on top. That is not a path to a mutual peace.
American economic rationality is based on permanent war. Military production is effectively our only consistent economic planning. Our politicians very much do not want a stable Middle East, they'll tell you this outright. They want weak states, distracted by civil wars that are unable to operate their business sectors for their own benefit. At best they might be allowed temporary, conditional status so long as their governments allow free reign for American capital. Anything less will garner sanctions, CIA intervention, and destabilization efforts, if not outright war.
mdedetrich@reddit
Which is why Israel gave back land to Egypt and Jordan when they signed genuine peace deals? I think you mistook Israel for Russia.
That alone throws your entire narrative out of the water.
FormerLawfulness6@reddit
Under pressure from the US who has deals with those countries. And before the shift to "unconditional support" language. You're still assuming that a weak country with nothing to offer the US would get the same deal.
What, exactly, would be in it for the US and Israel to stop at the Litani when the Lebanese army can't do anything to stop them? They don't want peace, war is a major part of their economy and about the only thing holding Israel together. Netayahu definately doesn't want peace because then he'll have no excuses for delaying trial. And he can't really afford to let go of the "greater Israel" fanatics in his coalition.
You keep reaching for historical examples of when all parties had an interest in cooperating on the peace. That is not the case here no matter how much people want to imagine it.
BroMan001@reddit
Why would hezbollah abide by a UN Security Council resolution?
mdedetrich@reddit
Nothing really, the reason behind raising the UN 1701 resolution is it indicated what the core problems at hand were for both of the countries. Lebanon obviously wanted its land back, and Israel cares about its security (not surprising considering it has neighboring countries which question its existence) and the natural conclusion, and hence deal to solve both of these matters was to give the land back in exchange for dematerializing the entire southern border so that Israel doesn't have to constantly worry about security/defending itself.
All this reveals is that Hezzbolah doesn't care about peace, their top priority is antagonizing Israel (not surprising given they are funded by Iran).
BroMan001@reddit
More than that, even the people it ethnically cleansed to built its occupation project on question its existence. How horrible. I don’t know why you expect Lebanese people to disarm when we can all see what’s happening to the West Bank after they disarmed, with a local government aiding israel there too. Do you think the Lebanese would benefit from becoming the next West Bank?
mdedetrich@reddit
In the entire Lebanese/Isreali history, Israel has never built settlements on Lebanon.
Stop treating Hezzbolah as legitimate people of Lebanon. They are a rogue state and the Lebanese government has explicitly stated this. Hezzbolah does not speak to, nor do they answer to Lebanon.
Hezzbolah only answers to Iran, as that is where they get all of their funding from (aside from drug trade)
UN 1701 resolution asked for Hezzbolah to disarm, not Lebanon. In fact if Lebanon had a proper functioning military along with a government, there wouldn't even be a problem as they would have forced Hezzbolah to disarm entirely.
Again, the situation with West Bank is entirely different to Lebanon. Israel, even though they have occupied Lebanese territory has never built any settlements there for the entire history of the existence of the two countries.
In fact due to UN 1701 resolution, Israel returned land to Lebanon. Unfortunately Lebanon wasn't able to enforce the other part of that resolution, which is completely disarmament of Hezzbolah.
BroMan001@reddit
Talking about Palestine, obviously. And we’re not far off, as you can read later in the comment.
According to this they’re much more afraid of israel:
An overwhelming 97% of Lebanese respondents said Israeli policies threaten the security and stability of the region.
The survey also confirms that the Palestinian issue remains central for most Lebanese. Around 67% described it as a collective Arab cause.
Opposition to normalization with Israel remains strong: 89% rejected recognizing Israel, describing it as a colonial, racist, and expansionist state.
Who cares what the Lebanese government states. Do you think Americans agree with every statement of their government? Or any country for that matter? I said Lebanese people not government.
If they had a properly functioning military that could resist israel Hezbollah wouldn’t be necessary. If israel never invaded Lebanon in 1978 and 1982 hezbollah wouldn’t have existed. “In 2006, former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak stated, "When we entered Lebanon ... there was no Hezbollah. We were accepted with perfumed rice and flowers by the Shia in the south. It was our presence there that created Hezbollah."” (source)
I wouldn’t be so sure: “Uri Tzafon, named for a biblical verse literally meaning “awaken, O North,” was founded in late March with the goal of demanding not only war and reoccupation but also Israeli civilian settlements in southern Lebanon. The group, which has amassed a following of several thousand” (source) That’s how it started in the West Bank too.
How noble, returning what you stole. Now if only they could do that with all of Palestine.
mdedetrich@reddit
I just opened this and its a biased source with no source for the data
Something like is https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/shadow-hezbollah-israel-escalation-poll-shows-slim-majority-lebanese-still-want is more reliable and this was before the current incident.
Do note I never said that Lebanese like Israel, most hate Israel for obvious reasons. But what they want the most, right now, is for Hezzbolah to be gone because the country cannot function properly with Hezzbolah constantly antagonizing and attacking Israel.
The Lebanese government is the representation of the people and they are the ones that hold legitimacy for representing the people.
Israel invaded Lebanon because PLO started attacking Israel from Lebanese territory. It would do wonders if you didn't cherry pick and ignore inconvenient truths.
It seems like you don't realize that, if you attack a country, that country is allowed to respond in self defense.
When Russia attacked Ukraine, Ukraine ended invading into Russia and holding some of its territory to create a buffer. None of this is morally wrong.
If they had a proper functioning military there wouldn't need to resist anything because PLO/Hamas wouldn't exist which means there wouldn't be any attacks on Israel.
Lebanon has been a failed state ever since the collapse of ottoman empire filled with sectarian paramilitaries and being subject to be treated as proxies by countries like Syria or Iran.
They did in ~2005 when Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza strip including all settlements (they forcefully migrated all Jewish settlement's back into Israeli territory).
Gaza repaid Israel in kind with rockets and the formation of Hamas (thank Iran for that one).
Israel's entire history has been a country that has made some concessions to doing peace, only for it to be punished in doing so and so they don't go all the way (Jordan/Egypt are exceptions here, they have full good faith peace deals). Given this its not surprising how the current far right Israeli government got formed.
If you constantly attack a country even when that country tries to make peace, you create a monster. Now the middle east has to deal with that monster.
BroMan001@reddit
Here’s another good article about how israel treats victims of the holocaust/shoah: How the State of Israel Abuses Holocaust Survivors
Last April, Israel’s welfare minister, Haim Katz, released a scathing report revealing that more than 20,000 survivors in Israel had never received the government assistance owed to them. The undelivered rights and benefits amounted to more than $30 million.
“If you counted the ones who’ve died and never received aid, it would be much more,” he said, noting that 45 survivors die in Israel every day. “The bureaucracy is so bad that people die before they receive help,” he said.
Katz’s report made absolutely no waves in the Israeli media. It should be news that Holocaust survivors are being left to die in poverty, all while their legacy is used as a justification for the existence of the nation that has so badly neglected them.
This is money your government has given to israel as reparations for holocaust survivors. Zionist organisations in the Netherlands do the same with reparation money, the “maror gelden”. It is given to zionist organisations who use it to fund trips to israel for Dutch politicians.
They have lied to you.
mdedetrich@reddit
Why are you derailing the thread with irrelevant information like you are trying to sell some narrative.
Either stay on topic or don't post at all.
BroMan001@reddit
You just don’t want to get it. All of israel is occupied Palestine, none of it is legitimate. They didn’t give back what they stole in 2005, they took their settlements out and locked all the gazans up in a cage. And even if you follow the 1967 borders, the icj has ruled that israel is occupying those territories, Gaza and the West Bank, to this very day.
mdedetrich@reddit
Around half the countries in the world fall into that category, why are you hyper focusing on Israel.
America is entirely colonised on native land, so what are we going to do, cleanse 70% of the US?
You have to accept that Israel exists, as a country, and its not going to go away. Ethnically cleansing the area of Jews is not going to happen, and Arabs having this longing is the precise reason why the area doesn't have peace.
And this longing to cleanse Jews happened well before Israel was even founded, look up Amin al-Husseini (former leader of Palestine who worked with Hitler with the explicit goal of wiping all Jews from Palestine).
Completely wrong and if you don't want to make a bigger fool of yourself I would stop making assumptions
drink_bleach_and_die@reddit
Do you think the jewish people living in Israel would be safe if Israel ceased to exist? If not, then do you concede that it's in their rational self interest to maintain that state?
GianfrancoZoey@reddit
Sadly there's a good % of Lebanese people who would accept the south (the shias) being annexed by Israel and the people there living under occupation so long as it meant the rest of the country were left alone.
If Hezbollah (or some variation of an externally supported resistance faction) never existed then the south of Lebanon would currently be another West Bank and the only thing protecting the people from the settler terrorism would be strongly worded statements from the Lebanese government and international community.
mdedetrich@reddit
I would argue the opposite, there is actually extremely good evidence that if Hezzbolah didn't exist then there would more or less be peace in the area.
Remember that Israel has peace deals with both Egypt and Jordan, and in both cases Israel has returned all of the land to those countries and even done join military operations to help regional stability (as an example, Israel worked with Egypt in fighting IS - Islamic State)
Israel sees Lebanon in a completely different light to West Bank, historically the only reason for their military operations there was entirely for security reasons. This is evidenced by the fact that with the UN 1701 resolution, Israel returned land to Lebanon and there wasn't any settlements there.
To be clear, I am against what is happening in west bank wrt settlements but its evident that Israel doesn't see southern Lebanon in the same way they see West Bank.
GianfrancoZoey@reddit
Egypt and Jordan made peace from a position of being independent states with functioning armies that had fought Israel to varying degrees of costly stalemate. Peace wasn't achieved through Israeli goodwill, quite the opposite. That's the kind of peace Hezbollah is fighting for and one that the Lebanese army is totally opposed to achieving.
God you guys love to spam this as if Israel has ever complied with a UN resolution. You selectively invoke UN resolutions only when they apply to Israel’s adversaries.
You've also ignored the core point, the previous withdrawal happened because of sustained military cost brought about by Hezbollah. Not by the Lebanese state who were actively colluding with the entity bombing their own civilians.
Your arguments rely on an extremely Westphalian centric idea of states, laws, and sovereignty and I guess you're hoping other people just aren't informed enough to understand the problem? Lebanon is extremely sectarian by design and large parts of the population hate the southern Shia population. They would happily see those people oppressed if it meant they were left alone. This dynamic necessitates Hezbollah's existence in order to have an actor that is actually fighting for the society of the south of Lebanon.
mdedetrich@reddit
Thats an oversimplification if I have seen one. The major reason is not that Jordan/Egypt were independently strong but the opposite, the US strong-armed them into making peace with US.
It happened for many reason, I stated the main one
No shit shirlock. And at the risk of being "Westphalian", maybe the middle east should get some hints given that the EU was a continent that, similar to middle east now, was filled with barbaric wars, empires, countries fighting eachother and constant land grabbing and yet they managed to find a method of finding peace.
And that peace was found by prioritizing peace over revenge, because if you always think about revenge then it doesn't get anywhere because for any given piece of country, its highly likely that its history is it being traded between various empires and been subject to many wars and ethnic cleansing.
sephiroth70001@reddit
Dahiya doctorine was first conceived and implemented on Lebanon, accelerated and vastly increased the destructuon and the process in Gaza, now in the embers of returning back to Lebanon.
mdedetrich@reddit
You do realize that the Dahiya doctrine was a response to PLO attacking Isreal from within Lebanese territory in order to provide a strong deterrence for no one to do it again?
It didn't come out of the blue, it happened because of constant PLO attacks on Israel because PLO didn't think Israel should exist as a country.
And do note its not just Israel that PLO attacked, they also attacked Jordan (see Black September).
BendicantMias@reddit
A lot of them won't live under occupation tho. They'll flee north, as many already have, bringing the problem with them. It's no accident that Israel keeps bombing Beirut. They'll bomb it even more after they take southern Lebanon, using the excuse that Hezbollah is still around in the rest of Lebanon.
Not-reallyanonymous@reddit
Israel’s already been telling Sunni and Christian community leaders in the south not to accept Shia refugees or those communities themselves will become the targets of bombing. They’re making it clear that Hezbollah isn’t their distinct enemy — entire groups of people are, women and children included. Palestinians, and now Shia. And they’ll find more, as long as the world buries its head under the sand. These things historically escalate until forced to stop.
fcukou@reddit
No it didn't. Israel continued to occupy land north of the Blue Line, including Shebaa Farm, Ghajar village, and Kfarchouba hills.
Best_Change4155@reddit
Is this Lebanese? Or Syrian?
fcukou@reddit
Syria has stayed publicly that it belongs to Lebanon, and the people in Shebaa farms paid their taxes to Lebanon before the Israeli occupation. It's Lebanese.
Best_Change4155@reddit
Hm.. What does the UN say?
fcukou@reddit
That's it's up to Syria and Lebanon to determine who Shebaa farms belongs to.
mdedetrich@reddit
Yes, because Hezzbolah didn't move an inch when it came to being disarmed.
Where as Israel did some progress on UN 1701, Hezzbolah basically did nothing and when Israel saw that, it figured out that the entire thing was a lost cause.
travistravis@reddit
So you're just refuting your own original statement? Why make the initial lie if you actually knew the reality? Just thinking no one would point it out?
mdedetrich@reddit
Israel started returning land after UN resolution 1701 and it was continuing to do so until it got attacked by Hezzbolah at which point it realized that the resolution was pointless because Hassan Nasrallah openly stated that Hezzbolah would not disarm which threw the entire resolution out the window.
Ontop of that, due to how incapable UNIFIL was in actually monitoring the region it became an open question as to how OP2 was even possible given that the Lebanese army/UNIFIL was incapable of maintaining security in the area (the whole point of Israel withdrawing from the areas was that it was meant to be replaced by security provided by UN/Lebanon, but that didn't work).
So the tl;dr is that Israel gave back all the land up until the resolution stopped working, because of Hassan Nasrallah refusal to disarm and Lebanese army/UNIFIL not being able to actually maintain proper security in absence of Israel forces
bobby63@reddit
It’s rare to see such a nuanced take on this sub concerning Lebanon and Israel. I just wish more people could comprehend there being two bad actors in this situation rather than the usual “any enemy of Israel is an ally” sentiment.
Ok_Currency_617@reddit
Honestly most of these people want Hezbollah to takeover Lebanon and institute an Islamic Theocracy then invade Israel wildly like Hamas and spend your lives like water.
EndlessGooning_0@reddit
Lebanese here, u have absolutely no idea what would happen if the army actually decides to fight Israel. They would basically turn us into Gaza. We do not have the necessary capabilities to fight Israel, backed by the US. Even Hezbollah does not have the actual means to fight Israel. This is about choosing the wisest course of action, the path of least destruction for the population.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
They are going to turn you into Gaza anyway. Israel has no concept of non-Jews owning land in the Middle East. All the land is theirs, according to them. They will attack you regardless of what Hezbollah does.
drink_bleach_and_die@reddit
Why haven't they attacked Egypt or Jordan after the peace treaties then? If it's their land, why have they made no effort towards taking it?
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Because in 1973 Egypt pushed back and almost won.
ThePlacidAcid@reddit
You're going to lose your entire country south of the river. Everyone who's grown up there, had a family there, everyone who calls it their home, will be made refugees and never be allowed to return. Israeli Jews will settle just south of the river, and continue trying to expand and attack you, bombing your country every few weeks to "assassinate targets". There is no appeasement with Israel.
HockeyHocki@reddit
Hezbollah have been parroting this trash for 40 years, nobody is buying it anymore. The Lebanese are completely fed up and with Iranians meddling in their country, they want Hezbos gone
ThePlacidAcid@reddit
I'm not parroting what Hezbollah is saying, I'm parroting what Israel is saying.
HockeyHocki@reddit
Oh FFS a couple right wing nuts don't speak for Israel. Jordan and Egypt stopped fighting Israel, they made peace, recognized Israels right to exists. Did Israel steal an inch of land from either since?
This war is perpetuated by Hezbos because the last thing they want is the same in Lebanon
ThePlacidAcid@reddit
I'm not on about right wing nuts, I'm on about their stated war aims. They plan to occupy Lebanon, completely level villages, dispell all Muslims from the area and you're an idiot if you think they ever plan on allowing them to return.
HockeyHocki@reddit
That's not what you were on about, i'll remind you what you said;
That is not the stated war aim
ThePlacidAcid@reddit
I guess they're just expanding Israel for fun and have no intention of settling anyone there.
HockeyHocki@reddit
For fun? You seriously can't think of any other reason they need to push Hezbollah out of southern lebanon? the UN and Lebanon were suppossed to have done it 20 years ago
rattleandhum@reddit
Except they do -- they literally RUN THE COUNTRY.
BendicantMias@reddit
They'd like Israel gone even more, if you'd give them that option -
historicusXIII@reddit
Which would, of course, necessitate a "buffer zone" north of the river. Rinse and repeat etc.
Best_Change4155@reddit
Except Lebanon is ethnically separated. The people north of river are presumably less tolerant of foreign puppets trying to get them killed.
travistravis@reddit
Followed shortly after by the rest of the country I'd suspect.
BroMan001@reddit
The least destruction to the population is just letting israel colonise it, huh. That went really well for the Palestinians, ever heard of the nakba?
HockeyHocki@reddit
Remind us the last time Israel invaded Lebanon for any reason other than to deal with terrorists in southern Lebanon.
Hezbos propaganda about holding back Israel might have washed 40 years ago, Lebanese have long since copped on
BroMan001@reddit
Remind us the last time there were “terrorists” in southern Lebanon for any reason other than to resist the illegal occupation of Palestine? Israel will keep doing what they do, make up reasons to invade. Or send settlers to do the job for them like on the West Bank. Guess what they don’t have on the West Bank? Organised resistance against occupation, or terrorists as you call it
HockeyHocki@reddit
The PLO were attacking Israel years before the West Bank was occupied. This notion Palestinian terrorism is due to illegal occupation is a fantasy
BroMan001@reddit
Israel is occupying all of Palestine. Since 1948. They announced their plan to colonise Palestine in 1899 in those exact words.
BendicantMias@reddit
Have they now? - https://en.al-akhbar.com/news/97--of-lebanese-view-israel-as-a-regional-threat
You guys just like pretending fear is the same as acceptance. It isn't. They still hate Israel. You're just trying to bully them into submission.
HockeyHocki@reddit
When did i say they don't hate Israel you twit. They hate Israel and they hate Hezbos
HDK1989@reddit
You're a disgrace to the Irish, you should remove that flag
Gubbinso@reddit
Go back to gooning because you clearly don't know what you're talking about. The West Bank disarmed, has that stopped Israel committing atrocities against them? Has that stopped them arming and supporting Israeli terrorists in the West Bank?
You're wishing to be occupied by a society full of rapist, racist fascists, they'll arbitrarily detain, torture and murder your people without a chance of fair trial under "administrative detention". They would rather hail exposed abusers as heroes than hold themselves accountable. All while claiming to have the highest morals in the world and being the "only democracy" in the middle east.
TheOneTrueTrench@reddit
Allowing the Anschluss isn't going to keep Poland safe.
SirStupidity@reddit
Dont you understand? These people will send anyone and everyone besides themselves to sacrifice themselves against the state of Israel. They don't care about Lebanon or the Lebanese people, they just support anything that might harm Israel.
Only people without any care for Lebanon are supporting the LAF attacking the IDF.
BendicantMias@reddit
The Lebanese still you bro, you just want to pretend their fear is acceptance - https://en.al-akhbar.com/news/97--of-lebanese-view-israel-as-a-regional-threat
The only Lebanon engages with you is cos they're weak. You want to bully them into line the same as you try to do everywhere else. They still hate you.
SirStupidity@reddit
I can't blame them for hating us nor am I in some delusion they dont. I dont know how that's at all relevant to what I wrote. The Lebanese state is barely standing, the LAF are a joke that is weaker than a Lebanese (funded by external insidious state) militia, and you're out here calling on them to attack the IDF, probably the strongest army in the region.
They hate us, sure, understandably so. But your lack of care about their lives at all, calling for their inevitable demolition if they choose to participate in this war is definitely not understandable. Do you want to justify your position? Because from my point of view you're willing to send countless Lebanese to death so that a few more Israelis will die....
cmonnomorework@reddit
Damn look at the hez fanboy pissed and crying! Don't worry, IDF is doing a fine job making mincemeat, so keep crying! Maybe don't shoot missiles against civilians and you won't get bombed.
Sit back, relax, and watch the idf bulldozers do their things! Maybe a new yellow line for them just like hamas? : )
CricketJamSession@reddit
Entitled confused bangaladeshi thinks he know better the the lebanese
Jeez the audicity to side with terrorists and try to explain to the country that suffer from them that they are no problem
BendicantMias@reddit
I said "I wonder". I also asked questions at the end. What part of either says that I think I know better than the Lebanese? If anything, you're closer to telling them which side they should take.
CricketJamSession@reddit
Also how long will the Lebanese army keep obeying orders not to fight back, while the people they're supposed to be protecting, and even their families, keep getting killed not by Hezbollah, but Israeli bombs? When's the mutiny?..
Seems like you got it all figured out for lebanese and what they should do.
You should drink some humility juice and believe lebanese when they say they need to get rid of Hezbollah and not open a futile war against israel
And not think you know what is better for them
BendicantMias@reddit
Says the Israeli apparently. Oh the irony...
CricketJamSession@reddit
You insist on degrading me to your level?
Already told you i advocate to listen to the lebanese
And you think you know what is best for them
BendicantMias@reddit
Lol, you're the one not listening, cos you Israelis only want to make the most of the craven Aoun to advance your agenda. Meanwhile the Lebanese say - https://en.al-akhbar.com/news/97--of-lebanese-view-israel-as-a-regional-threat
And so on. So much for 'listening to them'. They hate you, you just want to pretend their fear is somehow acceptance. You want to bully them into line.
CricketJamSession@reddit
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GianfrancoZoey@reddit
What does them being Bangladeshi have to do with anything?
CricketJamSession@reddit
It means they are a random outsider telling lebanese what they should do
BendicantMias@reddit
If you're Israeli, then you have even less standing to tell them what to do than I do - and yet you do...
CricketJamSession@reddit
And yet i do not
Instead i advocate to listen to them
BendicantMias@reddit
Lol, you're the one not listening, cos you Israelis only want to make the most of the craven Aoun to advance your agenda. Meanwhile the Lebanese say - https://en.al-akhbar.com/news/97--of-lebanese-view-israel-as-a-regional-threat
And so on. So much for 'listening to them'. They hate you, you just want to pretend their fear is somehow acceptance. You want to bully them into line.
BroMan001@reddit
Says the israeli 😂 your bombs have killed a lot more Lebanese than hezbollah has.
CricketJamSession@reddit
I don't speak for the lebanese
They themselves banned hezbollah and declare they wish for peace with israel
So laugh in your internet echo chambers all you want
It has nothing to do with reality
BroMan001@reddit
Do you think the majority of Americans agree with Antifa being a terrorist organisation. Or with the current war in Iran? Governments do things the population doesn’t like out of geopolitical and/or financial motives all the time.
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snukz@reddit
And why should they? Israel has shown time and time again that they treat ceasefires as opportunity to strike. The recent bombing of Lebanon after the supposed ceasefire were abhorrent and Israel's messaging made clear they cared not for a ceasefire and used such pitiful excuses as "ceasefire between US, Israel and Iran that doesn't include Lebanon!!" while simultaneously always arguing the bombing is due to them being Iranian proxies.
Fuck Israel. Dirty dogs.
Fuck Hezbollah too, don't get me wrong but I don't see why they or anyone else would have any faith in any agreement bartered by the US or Israel.
aelgorn@reddit
“Why should they?” - It’s the will of 80% of the Lebanese population IN Lebanon, and 95% of the Lebanese population OUTSIDE Lebanon. It’s as simple as that. - Their weapons have been illegal in Lebanon for decades. - That, and their carrying weapons south of Litany were the original breaches of ceasefire, and Israel bombing them where they were not allowed to be according to the ceasefire was in line with it.
SunkenDonuts001@reddit
Bringing up law when talking about the zionist occupationists is hilarious. Tell me, how many hezbollah members did they kill on 4th of april?
cmonnomorework@reddit
Damn look at the hez fanboy pissed and crying! Don't worry, IDF is doing a fine job making mincemeat, so keep crying! Maybe don't shoot missiles against civilians and you won't get bombed.
Sit back, relax, and watch the idf bulldozers do their things! Maybe a new yellow line for them just like hamas? : )
WongFarmHand@reddit
Real cute making smiley faces and memes at the mass death of civilians
Typed by someone who has never faced a minute of desperation or real fear in their life
SunkenDonuts001@reddit
this is so vile. im not a fanboy of anything. watching innocents die doesnt pleasure me. you on the other hand seem to be treating the zionist occupation force like a football team and cheering them. this is absolutely vile
aelgorn@reddit
Deflecting with irrelevant questions and saying the Lebanese people’s laws are hilarious makes you lose all legitimacy and shows you’re nothing more than a disruptor.
SunkenDonuts001@reddit
there is no lebanese law. the lebanese govt is made up of zionist bootlickers
aelgorn@reddit
And there goes your legitimacy again, exposing yourself as nothing more than a disruptor who wants dominance over us rather than living with us.
SunkenDonuts001@reddit
you deserve the zionists ngl
aelgorn@reddit
And there goes your legitimacy, insulting and wishing harm on those who prove you wrong
SunkenDonuts001@reddit
those those those. YOU deserve them because YOU (the individual) dont understand the circumstances of your own govt. I dont wish any harm on any group of people; never
aelgorn@reddit
You don’t deserve our government ya bajme m3afne
SunkenDonuts001@reddit
ma ai wa7id yastahiq 7ukumataq, 7atta allabaneen
aelgorn@reddit
Ouskout ya 3antara,
DankMemeMasterHotdog@reddit
Not enough.
SpinningHead@reddit
Israel is stealing land and has been upfront about stealing land. They are bulldozing neighborhoods to steal more land. They must be stopped.
cmonnomorework@reddit
Damn look at the hez fanboy pissed and crying! Don't worry, IDF is doing a fine job making mincemeat, so keep crying! Maybe don't shoot missiles against civilians and you won't get bombed.
Sit back, relax, and watch the idf bulldozers do their things! Maybe a new yellow line for them just like hamas? : )
SpinningHead@reddit
\^ This is how giddy they get about carrying our genocide and land theft.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7893vpy2gqo
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war
https://truthout.org/articles/israel-using-children-in-gaza-as-target-practice-uk-doctor-says/
The noose lapel pins may have been a tipoff.
cmonnomorework@reddit
Ah yes these conspiracy theories that nobody believes. And so what if they're true? Shit happens in war, maybe don't attack israel?
Not sure what the issue is here hahaha
SpinningHead@reddit
"Sure we brag and joke about our brutality openly, but we didnt do that and if we did its fine."
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
cmonnomorework@reddit
Except that it never happened but hey if it keep you crying in your safe space as you whisper idf in your sleep, go right ahead! Ppl have different ways of coping with fake news
SpinningHead@reddit
Thanks for illustrating.
aelgorn@reddit
Oh no! They’re getting rid of our terrorists for us and demand a buffer zone as a repayment until we get our shit together 😭 what a reason to go ahead commit suicide and blow ourselves up for the Ayatollahs! What a reason! The most justified!
SpinningHead@reddit
"Its just a buffer. Now we need a buffer to our buffer." - definitely not Lebensraum https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/article-760189
aelgorn@reddit
Let them buffer until the death of the Hezb, or until the Hezb decides to finally give up. 🤷♂️ At this point everyone from those villages against this war has gone, waiting for it to end before we come back.
SpinningHead@reddit
Nobody believes you have any intention of leaving. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/smotrich-from-the-river-to-the-sea-there-will-only-be-a-jewish-state/
aelgorn@reddit
Literally nobody believes hezbo pigs accusing everyone who speak against them of Zionists anymore, get with the times
SpinningHead@reddit
"Every time we admit to stealing land and genocide while people watch us stealing land and murdering people, people claim we are stealing land and committing genocide. Its not fair."
Tsofuable@reddit
I hope you'll be happy with living locked into the remains of Beirut with the rest of the population of Lebanon. Israel only mows the lawn every couple of years, so it's not too harsh.
aelgorn@reddit
We won’t have to once we sign peace with them and have our army remove them once and for all, so your argument really only works for Hamas
keepthepace@reddit
Because they pretend to be part of Lebanon politics and government. A big problem of Lebanon politics was on whether to consider Hezbollah a legitimate political force or a terrorist group occupying a part of their territory.
PsychologicalSet8678@reddit
Lebanon politics and government does not represent the people, just a bunch of imperialist bootlickers. Many people in Lebanon do support Hezbollah, and most are against Israel. It's their last deterence against an Israeli invasion and annexation of Lebanon. Hezbollah didn't exist back in 1982 when Israel invaded Lebanon. The problem preceeds Hezbollah.
Blackout38@reddit
Yet Hezbollah continuing to fire rockets from the ceasefire region is the only justification Israel needs to invade. There are 5 or 6 wars being fought rn because a neighbor can’t or won’t stop group from attacking across borders. It probably the most common justification the international community accepts. No Hezbollah no invasion. Lebanon is too weak to enforce the ceasefire on Hezbollah despite their requests to disarm and retreat to the line.
PsychologicalSet8678@reddit
Bruh what the fuck did I just read. Israel had more than 1000 cases of cease-fire violations lost 2024 before this war, and Hezbollah is right not to trust Israel. It was literally Israel that carpet bombed Lebanon and killed 500 people in an in a 10 minute timeframe. Try whitewashing another fascist state
Proper-Community-465@reddit
Hezbollah was supposed to disarm back in 2006 and started shooting rockets at Israel in 2023 unprovoked together with Hamas. Why should Israel trust them to disarm when they didn't for 20 years? Stop shooting rockets at your neighbors if you don't want to get bombed back it's not that hard.
Chloe1906@reddit
“Unprovoked” lmao
Proper-Community-465@reddit
Unprovoked relative to the timeframe how about that? Israel wasn't really attacking them at that point. They attacked on Oct 8th the day after Hamas.
Chloe1906@reddit
Hezbollah said they would follow whatever Hamas decided. Hamas attacked because of the constant murder and ethnic cleansing and oppression of Palestinians, which had not slowed down at all in 2023 prior to 10/7. Hezbollah supported Hamas. Should they have done that? No, not without the Lebanese government’s position. They were objectively in the wrong.
But Israel is the one that keeps expanding and oppressing and ethnically cleansing. Israel will keep doing this and then cry that its neighbors hate it.
Also, as a south Lebanese whose grandfather lost land and everything he ever had due to Israel stealing it, I don’t really give a lot of credence to Israel’s moral authority here nor in any situation. Don’t steal land and then complain that it’s not safe for you to live there.
Proper-Community-465@reddit
Israel seems like the more reasonable party when I look back at this mess from the begining till now. Arabs have stolen far more land from Jews then the other way around but we don't see Jews bombing Baghdad to get back what was stolen. If you can't stop attacking them and make peace this cycle will keep continuing.
Chloe1906@reddit
Israel seems like the more reasonable party? The ones who are ethnic supremacists and are still stealing land and ethnically cleansing indigenous peoples?
Arabs should not have kicked out their Jews (though Israel did carry out some false flag operations to help this along) but Israel is still doing it to this day and continuing the cycle. Palestinians are not responsible for Baghdad >75 years ago.
Historical-Pilot-784@reddit
Nobody else is offering restitution, so why should Israelis care either?
Clearly middle east works on the basis of strong take what they want and losers can cry about it.
Gabe_Noodle_At_Volvo@reddit
If they want to go by might makes right then they should not be surprised when people stop giving perennial crying about pogroms, the holocaust, oct 7th, etc. any consideration.
Historical-Pilot-784@reddit
So nothing changes then?
Proper-Community-465@reddit
Fun fact Israeli's actually DID offer financial restitution in 1949.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Lausanne_Conference
Proper-Community-465@reddit
The Arab side has not been lacking Ethnic supremacists either Husseini clan was openly calling for the genocide of Jews worldwide as a lesser race and allied with Hitler to wipe them out after they finish in Europe. While that is an extreme example the Arab world is ripe with Arab supremacist who preach Jews and others as lesser. Jews have historically been much more willing to negotiate throughout the entire conflict. While Palestinians are not responsible for Baghdad the fact the Arab world left them Disenfranchised after kicking out just as many Jews is overall reprehensible.
Best_Change4155@reddit
So why are you bitching?
Chloe1906@reddit
lol Israel is the one that keeps bitching about not being safe on stolen land.
Best_Change4155@reddit
K, enjoy South Lebanon
Chloe1906@reddit
Enjoy being isolated on the world stage
Best_Change4155@reddit
Oh no, the UN will shit on us more than normal while we pay an exorbitant amount into their aid programs.
alt-right-del@reddit
Stop occupying and killing might be a new strategy to try
Blackout38@reddit
Agreed. It’s clearly a cycle and it does take both of them to break it. Stop assuming only one party is to blame.
Chloe1906@reddit
This is not a “both sides” situation. Israel is the one that insists on expanding and ethnically cleansing its neighbors while refusing to define its own borders. It’s not wrong to fight back against this.
Proper-Community-465@reddit
Israel can't define it's borders since it's Arab neighbors refuse. It's been this was since 1948.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Armistice_Agreements
Hard to define borders with a neighbor that doesn't recognize your existence and insist they will destroy you.
Egypt and Jordan are the exceptions since they made peace.
Chloe1906@reddit
Palestine had already recognized Israel on 1967 borders. Israel can officially delineate its own borders and stick to protecting just those but it refuses to do that. Instead it takes more and more.
There is no official document limiting Israel’s borders, not even internationally agreed upon borders. Just two peace agreements that, if broken for whatever reason, Israel can use as justification to take more land.
Proper-Community-465@reddit
After the Gaza withdrawal led to Hamas, retreating without strong guarantees is a pretty hard no. There's also no way they will withdraw from the holy sites in Jerusalem again after Jordan didn't honor previous agreements to guarantee access and defaced or destroyed most Jewish sites. At this point Palestine isn't going to get everything it wants and after decades of declaring there are no borders and it will destroy Israel there's no reason it should.
Chloe1906@reddit
It’s not the Gaza withdrawal that led to Hamas. It’s the intolerable conditions that Israel forced on Gaza and the West Bank, plus the continued ethnic cleansing in the West Bank and stealing of land for terrorist settlers with absolute immunity from consequences.
Proper-Community-465@reddit
Israel would argue it's the terrorism that led to Palestinians intolerable conditions. At this point its cyclical.
Blackout38@reddit
If Israel was still occupying the region prior to this you’d have a point but no this is not the first time they have invaded the region and occupied it to eliminate a terrorist group firing on it. Spoiler alert, they gave it back then too
aelgorn@reddit
First of all, Hezbollah supporters are the minority that didn’t go into self exile due to Hezbollah’s domestic terrorism. They are very few in proportion to the number of Lebanese lives they ruined.
Second, you’re right, Hezbollah didn’t exist back in 1982. Do you know what happened that created them? The Assad regime, who was one of the biggest sponsors of Hezbollah later, assassinated our prime minister for trying to make peace with Israel as they were alarmed they’d lose influence over us. In response Israel sieged Beirut. In respond Iran found a way in. That gave Hezbollah the opportunity to come out of hell.
So Hezbollah didn’t exist in 1982. It existed after their daddies killed our PM, led Israel to what it did, and gave the Hezb a reason to exist. They repelled the Israelis and then terrorized the country in the name of the ayatollahs and the Assad regime ever since.
CapitalEmployer@reddit
I'm always fascinated with the fact that everytime Israel kills, invades, rapes, genocides, it's never their fault always the others. I hope you're paid and not doing this for free.
aelgorn@reddit
Let me lay this out for a child:
When someone betrays your village and brings a dragon to destroy it and you have no means to defeat it, you either imprison the traitor and then work on how to defeat the dragon (and it may destroy everything while you work on that), or you imprison the traitor and try to pacify the dragon and send it back to focus on its other genocides.
What you don’t do is let the traitor roam free to bring more dangers to your village while ignoring the rampaging dragon.
CapitalEmployer@reddit
I really hope your paid cause if not it's really sad.
Dirkdeking@reddit
Don't talk down like that towards someone that comes from the country being discussed. That should always be the first rule in a discussion like this. Never dismiss the lived experience of someone just because their story doesn't align with your pre existing narrative.
Drab_Majesty@reddit
Give it a rest, just because someone says they're from Lebanon you don't have to believe it.
CapitalEmployer@reddit
The lived experience of some random anonymous account on the internet that says that if Israel kills colonizes and invades it's not their fault it's the others.
I give it as much credit as "Iranians" celebrating getting bombed by the US for oil.
Dirkdeking@reddit
I guess you think he is a paid troll. But his sentiment is pretty popular on r/lebanon. It's always good practice to lurk in multiple subreddits. I found that this is a hack not many redditors are aware of.
I look into subreddits like r/syria, r/gaza, r/palestine, r/lebanon, r/jewish, r/newiran and r/israel. The thing I noticed is that they all have vastly different sets of narratives surrounding world events. But oddly enough no sub actually contained the 'villains'. I haven't seen people unironically enjoying suffering in one of the subreddits without being downvoted into oblivion.
All these people say things that make sense. We just a giant miscommunication problem in this world, and these echo chambers only amplify it. Please do not underestimate the degree to which we don't understand the way other people look st the same events....
CapitalEmployer@reddit
Dude you have 5.2k comments on a 5 years old account you either are a basement dweller or an account managed by some Pakistani in a troll farm. Sorry if I don't care about your opinion.
Colonization and genocide doesn't come from bad communication. It comes from racial supremacism, cruelty and dehumanization.
And I don't belive the sentiment that Israel are just the victims of hezebollah and didn't have a choice is a sentiment shared across a lot of real Lebanese people.
HockeyHocki@reddit
you're wasting your time, half these donkeys have no interest in understanding the middle east,
Israel = bad so anyone opposing it = good
Chloe1906@reddit
Hezbollah was created because Israel refused to leave the south even after the PLO was defeated in Lebanon. If Israel had just left when they got what they wanted then there would be no creation of Hezbollah.
Best_Change4155@reddit
Their first act was to kill a bunch of American and French peacekeepers.
Chloe1906@reddit
The Multinational Force was trying to bring peace while the US was still providing military aid to Israel and supporting its invasion. Not to mention they supported the Lebanese president knowing he was a member of the Kataeb, who had conducted Sabra and Shatila. Whether right or wrong, the peacekeepers were seen as biased and not actually interested in security and equality for non-Maronite Lebanese.
Again, I’m not a Hezbollah ride-or-die. I’m just saying that blaming the creation of Hezbollah all on Iran and not acknowledging that us South Lebanese had genuine grievances that were not being fairly addressed (and thus ripe for manipulation by an outside party) is not an accurate representation of history.
aelgorn@reddit
I acknowledge your past grievances, and now curse every one who defends Hezbollah for bringing upon our collective present grievances.
Dirkdeking@reddit
Even if they where created for legitimate reasons at first that doesn't mean they are a legitimate actor now. As your fellow countryman says they have been involved in a lot of bad shit, and not just in relation to Israel.
Lots of guerilla groups and armed organizations first started out as just groups against occupation/oppression but started abusing their powers later on.
Chloe1906@reddit
I agree with this. I’m not a diehard fan of Hezbollah. But to fix this shit and prevent it from ever happening again we have to know how it started and how groups like this gain legitimacy among their followers. Israel can’t keep invading and destroying people’s homes and razing down villages and then act surprised that a resistance group (however moral or immoral they may be) sprang up from the ashes.
PsychologicalSet8678@reddit
You didn't answer me. Why was Lebanon invaded before the existence of Hezbollah? Hezbollah is the result of that israeli invasion. It cannot be the cause of Israel's ambitions towards lebonan.
Your state is weak because Israel does not let a strong state exist near it's borders. Lebonan is no different to syria, iraq, Egypt, lybia or Jordan.
The wall of text you wrote has no relation to this situation. Your option is either to resist with whatever you have right now, or be annexed.
aelgorn@reddit
It was invaded because it had declared war on Israel along with our other Arab neighbours, but because the Syrians and Iranians created Hezbollah, we were not allowed to have peace with Israel like Jordan and Egypt were.
You jump to supporting whatever is against Israel but you’re too racist to make the distinction between natives struggling to survive and the terrorists killing them thinking we are all one bag of “native resistance”. Go die on the frontlines yourself and leave my country out of your fanatical hate
Chloe1906@reddit
Us south Lebanese are native too and we were struggling under Israeli occupation that Hezbollah got us out of. Not saying I’m a ride or die for them or that I support their recent actions, but pretending Hezbollah is a completely foreign entity and Lebanese didn’t have a valid reason to rise up against Israel is simply delusional.
aelgorn@reddit
Whatever the reasons were back then to rise up against Israel are the exact same reasons we all have to rise up against Hezbollah today.
Dirkdeking@reddit
Is support for Hezbollah mostly along sectarian lines? Or does a majority of Shias also oppose them?
aelgorn@reddit
70% of Shias support Hezbollah, with around 10% of support in all other sects combined. Brings up the total Hezbollah support to 20%
Best_Change4155@reddit
Does it feel like you are out?
PsychologicalSet8678@reddit
Lol fuck off. I'm from Iran, and we do resist the imperialists, like many in Lebanon.
supposedgoobery@reddit
rja3 3al zouk bro
Proper-Community-465@reddit
Lebanon was invaded because the PLO turned southern Lebanon into a base staged multiple attacks and tried to assassinate a Israeli politician in 1982 while Lebanon didn't do anything to stop it. Very similar to the Hezbollah situation today.
PsychologicalSet8678@reddit
Yankees should shut up about west asian politics. No body asked you and you are talking absolute horseshit. PLO was popular among all Arab nations because they hated israeli occupation. Israel has been the destabilizing force, and no matter how you narrate it you can't change the fact.
namikazeiyfe@reddit
They were so popular that the Jordanians had to evict them from their country.🤣
Jugaimo@reddit
Khamenei’s corpse begs otherwise. The west is absolutely involved.
TearOpenTheVault@reddit
Iran has been supporting proxy conflict in the region for decades.
Proper-Community-465@reddit
Have you tried not attacking them? Maybe not being at war with them? It seems to be working for Jordan and Egypt.
luvsads@reddit
Lmfao this is what you devolve to when you lose arguments?
Chloe1906@reddit
And then Israel refused to leave afterward and chose to keep occupying the south, which is what created Hezbollah.
Proper-Community-465@reddit
Israel left after the first invasion in 1978 after resolution 425. PLO attacks continued which prompted Israel reinvasion in 1982. Israel was willing to leave with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_17_Agreement But the agreement failed on Lebanon's end. Honestly this situation today is very similar to the 2006 war. Hezbollah is dragging Lebanon into war with Israel,
Lowetheiy@reddit
Hezbollah is an traitorous, collaborationist puppet of the Iranian regime. You got it backwards, Hezbollah are the imperialist bootlickers and most of the Lebanese people hate their guts for betraying Lebanon to further Iran's imperialist ambitions.
spacecate@reddit
Are you Lebanese?
keepthepace@reddit
Lebanon politics is split according to ethnic lines. Hezbollah is likely representative of a decent proportion of the shi'ite community but with almost zero support amongst maronites. Hezbollah is a de facto separatist faction but the government does not want to recognize that they don't control their territories.
PsychologicalSet8678@reddit
Hezbollah is popular among Shias and a portion of Christians. They are not separatist, Lebanon is a failed state controlled by the west and their lapdog Israel.
MCB1317@reddit
Why should they?
Peace is better than war? Innocent people are dying in the crossfire? Israel isn't going anywhere and so they may as well accept it? They're awful at war and can't win?
Things like that.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Israelis don’t do peace. For Israelis, peace is simply Israel having a monopoly on violence. Take a look at the West Bank - that is the ideal for Israel, where they attack incessantly and complain that they are the victims.
MCB1317@reddit
You might try stepping out of pro-terrorist echo chambers and into the real world.
Egypt stopped trying to murder Jews, and Israel gave back the Sinai (a huge chunk of land) and there has been decades of peace. Jordan stopped trying to murder Jews, and Israel gave back all war gains (and offered the West Bank) and there has been decades of peace. Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and other Arab nations stopped trying to kill Jews, and there has been decades of peace with zero sovereign territory incursions.
It isn't hard to make peace with Israel. Just stop trying to murder Israelis.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
The PA sued for peace and Israel accelerated settlement building. Syria ignored Israel and Israel expanded settlements there. Lebanon and Hezbollah both ignored stark so Israel started breaching the border daily.
It’s not about murdering Jews, it’s about Israel only understanding force.
MCB1317@reddit
While paying terrorists to murder civilians and trying to build a military.
It's pretty simple: start wars and lose, your land and sovereignty are forfeit. That's the way it has worked for all of human history.
WongFarmHand@reddit
Some people will roll over and show their belly when the invading army annexes their land and family homes
Ukraine showed they won't just let someone steal their homes and genocide their people. We will see if the folks in Lebanon, Hezbollah or not, fight like Ukraine did
10% of Lebanon stolen and more land taken every day
Monterenbas@reddit
If Ukraine showed anything us that a conventional army, under the command of their recognized government, is much more effective at pushing back invasion and infinitely more likely to receive international backing, than a sectarian religious militia backed up by a foreign theocraty.
GerryAdamsSon@reddit
Problem is that the Lebanese government is a puppet government
Monterenbas@reddit
Contrary to Hezbollah, who are definitely not Iranian puppets, as demonstrated by their intervention on behalf of Bashar el Assad, during the Syrian civil war?
mdedetrich@reddit
This comparison is bad its frankly disguisting.
The difference with Russia vs Ukraine war is that ever since WW2 no country has attacked Russia, not even once. So when Russia/Putin whine about "security concerns", its entirely made up in their colonial imperial mindset.
On the other hand, whether rightly or wrongly, Israel has been constantly attacked ever since its creation. This changes the calculus entirely.
I can guarantee you that if Ukraine had a history had a history of bombarding Russia with rockets, doing terrorist attacks (i.e. blowing up Russian citizens at bus stops) etc etc people would view Ukraine very differently.
Gubbinso@reddit
Imagine thinking the Israeli government wants anything resembling peace while it continues to further its expansionist goals.
GovernmentBig2749@reddit
Hezbolah is as Libian of a movement as the Pope is a Samurai. Its the dark side of palestinian refugeesm no one talks about
Sgt_Habib@reddit
You are very much incorrect.
ugly_dog_@reddit
libian
GovernmentBig2749@reddit
i used my local jargon :)
cmonnomorework@reddit
Damn look at the hez fanboy pissed and crying! Don't worry, IDF is doing a fine job making mincemeat, so keep crying! Maybe don't shoot missiles against civilians and you won't get bombed.
Sit back, relax, and watch the idf bulldozers do their things!
kolitics@reddit
Because they are making the case for Israel to take over territory that Lebanon has no sovereignty over.
meister2983@reddit
To avoid near term death. Tends to motivate most people
BroMan001@reddit
Oh no the zionist puppets said it’s not allowed, better listen and let israel flatten all of Lebanon.
meister2983@reddit
So did Lebanon and the unsc for that matter
BroMan001@reddit
I already said zionist puppets, you don’t have to repeat it. The Lebanese government would apparently rather let israelis build settlements in southern Lebanon (it will definitely stay to just that part) than allow people to fight back against the occupation project
meister2983@reddit
Lol, because that's all Hezbollah does. Having armed paramilitaries in your country is always a good idea.
CricketJamSession@reddit
Because they are incompetent and only cause more suffering for lebanese in the name of their IRGC overlords
Might as well disarm completely, that will be the best for the protection of the lebanese.
fcukou@reddit
Israel is the one who started this latest conflict, not Hezbollah. Israeli violated the last ceasefire a day after it was signed and never stopped breaking it, despite Hezbollah not retaliating, which at this point, they have every right to do, because the Lebanese people have a right to self-defense from foreign aggression.
Monterenbas@reddit
Isn’t Hezbollah who started the most recent round of escalations, on behalf of their iranian masters?
fcukou@reddit
No, it started 24 hours after the last ceasefire, when Israel started bombing again.
CricketJamSession@reddit
Hezbollah never abided to the ceasefire when they chose to stay south of the litani in contrast to what they have agreed
So by all means Israel is not bound to abide to the ceasefire
Either way hezbollah is an iranian terror proxy and a danger to lebanon
And these are the words of lebanese people and not me
fcukou@reddit
Israel bombed Lebanon 24 hours after signing a ceasefire. They never event attempted to implement a ceasefire and no one in Lebanon should disarmed under such circumstances. The Lebanese people have a right to resistance foreign oppression and violence, even if racist Angloids believe non-whites don't have a right to self defense.
CricketJamSession@reddit
Surely you would agree that if after 24 hours Hezbollah still haven't abided to the ceasefire and declared they are not even intenting on moving north of the litani then its there is no ceasefire to abide to
fcukou@reddit
If you think the largest military force in Lebanon and disarm within 24 hours, let alone withdraw across the Litani, you are somehow even more foolish than I thought you were, and that was a low bar.
CricketJamSession@reddit
No one said disarm
I said to f off north of the litani or at least declare that that what you mean to do and not hour after the ceasefire has been signed to declare that they will not go north of the litani
RogerianBrowsing@reddit
Israel literally violated the ceasefire with Lebanon more than 10,000 times in a year.
https://truthout.org/articles/un-israel-has-committed-10k-violations-in-lebanon-in-one-year-of-ceasefire/
Sloppykrab@reddit
Isn't Hezbollah banned in Lebanon? They aren't privy to such things.
fcukou@reddit
Hezbollah was consulated on the last ceasefire and approved it. They hold seats in Lebanese Parliament and are a member of the current government.
Sloppykrab@reddit
https://www.arabnews.jp/en/middle-east/article_165153/
They have been banned since March.
fcukou@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_of_Lebanon
Hezbollah is the second largest party in Lebanese Parlaiment and holds two ministerial positions in the current government.
Sloppykrab@reddit
They are banned from the Parliament.
I'm guessing because the next election isn't until 2028, they will remain the same but they have no capacity to do anything. As they can't legally have representation inside their parliament.
BroMan001@reddit
Your source literally says “military wing”. Do you think the military wing is the one partaking in politics? Or maybe the one partaking in armed conflict? Real brain teaser that one
fcukou@reddit
Your own source quotes Hezbollah members are are mininater's in the current ruling government. You should probably try reading what you post, next time.
Rushing_Russian@reddit
Do you really think is Hezbollah disbanded tomorrow Israel would stop their annexation?
CricketJamSession@reddit
Of course
Israel didn't even cared about lebanon before PLO attacked them from their territory and then an iranian proxy
Israel said time and time again that they wish for peace with lebanon
Israel left lebanon for more than a decade even though hezbollah visibly prepared for invasion
And only attacked when hezbollah joined the massacre of oct 7
How much doom scrolling on the internet you have to do to dismiss those facts and believe such a weak propaganda with many logic fallacies
Equivalent_Style_835@reddit
This is a lie and you know it. Israel invaded Lebanon in Jun 1982, the PLO left Lebanon in Sept of the same year. Israel sustained the occupation and participated in one of the worst massacares against women and children "Sabra and Shatila". Hezbollah was then created in 1985 as a response.
So basically they wanted to occupy Lebanon regardless of the PLO.
FYI, the trigger for this occupation wasn't even an attack from Lebanon, it was in response to the assassination of the Israeli ambassador in UK. So again, nothing to do with Lebanon.
CricketJamSession@reddit
Source?
No,
No one in the IDF killed or hurt anyone in that massacre
And how does logic work in your head that you think this is what your argument prove?
Still israel had nothing to do with lebanon before PLO and Hezbollah started attacking them and you can't deny that
Equivalent_Style_835@reddit
If you lack basic knowledge about this topic, why do you even fucking make these false claims?
Again, complete ignorance. Israel literally trained these troops, allowed them to go into the cambs, and prevented families to escape. Israel is internationally recognized as participant in this genocide.
Because why the fuck did they stay in Lebanon when the PLO and their fighters already left?
BroMan001@reddit
here but you’re right, it wasn’t September, it was August 30.
“Participated” not committed
“As the massacre unfolded, the IDF received reports of atrocities being committed, but did not take any action to stop it. Instead, Israeli troops were stationed at the exits of the area to prevent the camp's residents from leaving and, at the request of the Lebanese Forces, shot flares to illuminate Sabra and Shatila through the night during the massacre.” (Wikipedia) That doesn’t sound like participating to you? Aiding and abetting? Or it’s totally fine?
Because they didn’t leave after achieving their stated goal of driving out the PLO… and instead occupied eastern Beirut against the ceasefire agreement and participated in the massacre… this is not complicated.
Hezbollah was literally formed in 1982 as a reaction to the 1978 and 1982 invasion of Lebanon, not the other way around. “In 2006, former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak stated, "When we entered Lebanon ... there was no Hezbollah. We were accepted with perfumed rice and flowers by the Shia in the south. It was our presence there that created Hezbollah."” (link)
BroMan001@reddit
Disarm so israel can take over the place?
Azurmuth@reddit (OP)
Neither Hezbollah, Lebanon nor Hamas has abided with any of the previous ceasefires.
Gubbinso@reddit
Brainwashed fool.
"Since the November 2024 ceasefire agreement between Israel and Lebanon, Israeli attacks have persisted on several regions in the country and have intensified in southern Lebanon."
https://reliefweb.int/report/lebanon/msf-update-southern-lebanon-where-ceasefire
Lowered12@reddit
It was sparked by israel and US attacking Iran
Using your logic UK war with nazi germany was sparked not because germany invaded their ally but because UK attacked german troops
Monterenbas@reddit
So Hezbollah did indeed involved Lebanon in a conflict it was not party of?
Azurmuth@reddit (OP)
Israel had a ceasefire with Hezbollah, which Hezbollah broke.
mdedetrich@reddit
Actually what people are saying is that Hezzbolah broke the ceasefire by attacking first.
The fact that it was due to solidarity with Iran is irrelevant, Israel did not attack Hezzbolah. Its quite funny that its only the Iranian proxies that feel justified in attacking Israel. I mean do you see EU countries directly attacking Russia as a show of solidarity because of Russia attacking Ukraine?
Nope, because all that does is create a massive shitshow.
All this shows is that Hezzbolah is rogue puppet state funded by Iran within Lebanon.
fifthflag@reddit
Using logic on Zionists is like using holy water on the devil.
2dudesinapod@reddit
Israel broke the ceasefire more than 1500 times before Hezbollah fired back
CricketJamSession@reddit
Does al jazeera tell you how many times hezbollah broke the ceasefire?
Does it even count that they at some point abided to the ceasefire if they never left sounty of the litani river like they agreed to do?
Why would israel abide to the ceasefire when hezbollah haven't even fulfilled the moat basic principal of the ceasefire?
BroMan001@reddit
Luckily someone already answered these questions, so I’ll just repeat their answer here
CricketJamSession@reddit
I didn't even talked about disarming
are you folks even reading the comment you claim to answer?
BroMan001@reddit
Because I copied a reply to another comment you made making basically the same point. The relevant part is the Litani river claim here. Are you folks even reading the comment you claim to answer?
And the 2024 ceasefire? I can find no such claim by them. If you mean 2006, hezbollah is not party to the un and has no obligation to follow unsc resolutions.
CricketJamSession@reddit
"On 27 November 2024, a ceasefire agreement was signed by Israel, Lebanon, and five mediating countries, including the United States.[1] Hezbollah attacked Israel on 8 October 2023, leading to a year of cross-border fighting, and on 1 October 2024, Israel invaded Lebanon. The agreement mandates a 60-day halt to hostilities, during which Israel must withdraw its forces from Southern Lebanon,[2][3][4] and Hezbollah must withdraw its forces to north of the Litani River"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Israel%E2%80%93Lebanon_ceasefire_agreement
Don't know what kind of argument is that
If they have no obligation they have no rights as well
BroMan001@reddit
I don’t know if you noticed, but that text doesn’t mention hezbollah declaring they don’t intend to withdraw north of the litani. It does mention israel shot at clearly identifiable journalists in Lebanon hours after the ceasefire went into power
Away_team42@reddit
Source?
Stubbs94@reddit
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/1/26/lebanon-files-un-complaint-against-israels-daily-ceasefire-violations This is the anti Hezbollah government accusing them.
Away_team42@reddit
Sounds like Hezbollah weren’t keeping to their side of the agreement either tho?
Stubbs94@reddit
You asked the source that Israel was breaking the ceasefire. I gave you proof. Hezbollah didn't attack Israel once during that period.
TeaBagHunter@reddit
I'm Lebanese. The ceasefire agreement clearly involved disarming hezbollah.
Evidently they didn't disarm
2dudesinapod@reddit
Hezbollah is the only thing preventing another Israel occupation of Lebanon, it boggles my mind to see Lebanese people cheering for their own county’s occupation.
Stubbs94@reddit
So you're saying it's okay for Israel to bomb Lebanon daily because of that?
Stunning-Sherbert801@reddit
Israel always broke first
BackseatCowwatcher@reddit
Hezbollah: fires Rockets into Israel
Israel: Responds
You: See! Israel broke the ceasefire first!
BroMan001@reddit
Making things up is easy
mdedetrich@reddit
This is incorrect. The latest ceasefire was violated entirely be Hezzbolah, they attacked Israel as a show of solidarity with Iran being attacked.
Gubbinso@reddit
You genocide apologists have incredibly short memories.
https://reliefweb.int/report/lebanon/msf-update-southern-lebanon-where-ceasefire
If a single Israeli civilians was killed in retaliation to those violations, Israel would have claimed that collapsed the ceasefire. Yet Israel killing 370 people didn't break the ceasefire? There's a reason why the term "Israeli ceasefire" is used to mock Israel.
travistravis@reddit
Israel and the US both claimed Lebanon wasn't in that ceasefire agreement though
FantasticFungiiii@reddit
Which country have they invaded then?
xland44@reddit
Out of curiousity, do you also condemn Yoav Gallant using the term "human animals" in the context of Hamas and Palestine? Is it only racist dehumanization when it's for the side you don't support?
Why shouldn't they be a law-abiding organization which follows their government? If they disagree with the elected Lebanese government they should campaign and gather the necessary political votes to block it, rather than turn their country into a failed state. The lebanese elected their current government to make these decisions, not Hezbollah.
Phenergan_boy@reddit
Isn’t this a little rich coming from you guys who turned Palestine into a failed state, and just tried to do it in Iran?
xland44@reddit
Who is "you guys"? I am an individual with my own opinions.
Also, "turning Palestine into a failed state" would imply that at some point in history there was an independent and successful Palestinian state, which is not the case.
Phenergan_boy@reddit
Lol please don’t nitpick. We all know I specific refer to the state of Israel and its society in my statement. It’s also very telling of your view and attitude on Palestinians when you completely dismiss Palestine’s statehood and the Palestinian people’s right to self-determination.
xland44@reddit
Where did I dismiss the palestinian people's right to self determination or their statehood?
Are you replying to the wrong comment?
Phenergan_boy@reddit
You literally said this. Now whether Palestine is a failed state or it never has a chance to exist in the first place is an academic issue, but the reality is still that Palestinians have no chance of self-determination when Israel tramples the Palestinians. Unfortunately, I have to block you here since it’s clear to me that you are continuing to nitpick and are not interested in having a discussion
KaiBahamut@reddit
There was no independent and successful Israeli state before 1948, so what's your point?
Also don't give me that 'but but 2000 years ago-' You don't have any continuity to a defunct state from the bronze ages.
xland44@reddit
My point was trying to understand your own point? There indeed was not an Israeli state in current modern history before 1948, but there is now - which is why I can say for example that it might turn into a failed state.
You can't say that Palestine turned into a failed state because it was never a successful state in the first place.
You can say that Israel is preventing a successful Palestinian state from manifesting or coming into existence, which I would indeed partially agree with, altough even if Israel spontaneously disappeared at the push of a button this probably still wouldn't be the case.
snukz@reddit
Yes. You're all a stain on humanity.
I don't support either side so your pathetic cycle of whataboutism to try and justify the abhorrent behaviour of each side means nothing.
Dogs.
GreeboBirb@reddit
Sure israel flair.
manhattanabe@reddit
Of course they won’t. They have been ignoring the Lebanese government since their founding. They are paid by Iran, not by Lebanon, so do whatever Iran wants. If they cared about Lebanon, they wouldn’t be starting wars with Israel to begin with.
PsychologicalSet8678@reddit
An american's opinion about other nations is worth less than a wet fart.
drink_bleach_and_die@reddit
Wouldn't be an anime titties comment section without some classic ad hominen
Firecracker048@reddit
Yup lol but this just shows that the little facade they had of being for the lebanese people, while refusing to abide by every agreement they've made, like still being below the Litani sense 2006, and after 2024 agreeing to withdraw, is just for their own benefit as a proxy.
But to almost everyone here, they can do no wrong
HDK1989@reddit
😭 bot
RetardedGaming@reddit
Good! F*ck the Lebanese state, they're just a bunch of sellouts, even when the very concept of Lebanon as a state is at risk the government still won't do anything. They're just US-isra*li puppets at the end of the day
Thank god there's at least someone fighting the Zionist entity
meister2983@reddit
What are you even talking about? Lebanon is a basketcase in part because sectarian paramilitaries run around with impunity
RetardedGaming@reddit
So who's responsible for the existence of those militias?
BackseatCowwatcher@reddit
Iran mainly?
defonono@reddit
No, the very constitution of Lebanon is sectarian. The army is comprised of people from the north who don't feel any obligation to protect the south. Hezbollah is all they have protecting them.
drink_bleach_and_die@reddit
Launching rockets against a much stronger power until they invade seems like terrible protection.
defonono@reddit
No, the very constitution of Lebanon is sectarian. The army is comprised of people from the north who don't feel any obligation to protect the south. Hezbollah is all they have protecting them.
meister2983@reddit
Lebanon ultimately
KaiBahamut@reddit
Uh oh, someone failed history class.
meister2983@reddit
No just studied it better than you have. It's been a sectarian hellhole since the Ottoman days. And continues to be so. Foreign powers exploit this obviously, but the fundamental problem is deep social weakness
The smart ones got the hell out of there in the 1800s and moved to the Americas
KaiBahamut@reddit
It's been a hellhole because foreigners went over there and started drawing arbitrary lines without consulting the local population- and in the case of Israel, imported a foreign population to take the land.
meister2983@reddit
Israel isn't on Lebanese territory.
North Americans aren't supposed to be lame third worlders. I guess you blame the Ottomans for the Mount Lebanon Druze deciding to kill a bunch of Christians as well?
How's that supposed to work when each group wants the other's land? You one of those guys that thinks the Yugoslavia wars could have been solved by talking more?
Monterenbas@reddit
The Shia community in Lebanon and their Iranian backers.
mdedetrich@reddit
Iran, these militias is almost entirely funded by Iran.
HockeyHocki@reddit
The PLO
wq1119@reddit
Bro horseshoe'd so hard he starts to agree with Israeli nationalists in the notion that Lebanon is an artificial entity.
911roofer@reddit
I knee Hezbollah supporters were traitors but I never imagine they were this treacherous and preferred burning down Lebanon to not starting unwinnable wars
Monterenbas@reddit
Wasn’t the very concept of Lebanon as a state already gone, the moment the lebanese government decided to renonce monopoly on legitimate violence a to fully enact its sovereignty, over its own territory?
Lowetheiy@reddit
In other words, Hezbollah is a traitor and enemy of the Lebanon and its people. I hope Israel and Lebanon will work together to eradicate this traitorous terrorist proxy of Iran.
Firecracker048@reddit
Everyone here is NOT beating the allegations they are just pro terrorism lol
This just blows up their facade that they are actually for the Lebanese people, they are just for their own benefit and doing Irans bidding
DiscountShoeOutlet@reddit
israel is stealing land again. A country who is on trial for genocide at the world court
And your response is "you're pro terrorism for resisting" lmao
Edit: and yes, I'm totally taking orders directly from the ayatollah to do Iran's bidding
cmonnomorework@reddit
Yawn, nobody cares about your fake genocide and hysteric crying. If your precious hez looses land via idf bulldozers so be it, thats what you asked for. Not sure why you're so upset hahaha
kolitics@reddit
Hezbollah is declaring against the sovereignty of Lebanon over the territory it occupies by not abiding by the agreement between Lebanon and Israel. If Lebanon can't control hezbollah the territory belongs to whoever defeats them.
Firecracker048@reddit
Why is Israel in Lebanon right now? Did they just decide fuck it or was there something hezzbollah did to prompt an invasion? Like, say, firing hundreds of rockets and still taking positions below the Litani (in violation of all agreements sense 2006 btw)
DiscountShoeOutlet@reddit
Are we seriously talking aboit violating agreements in regards to israel? Seriously
Bro israel has lost the public. Everyone hates them. Once the boomers die off, the democracies of the western world will abandon that little genocidal stain on world
And before you use the antisemitism card, just save it. No one buys it anymore after looking at what israel did to Gaza
Firecracker048@reddit
Hezzbollah been in violation sense ,2006, which you again ignore because it's not convienent and shows that I need the OG violation isn't on Israel. It's okay though, living in denial must be great for mental health.
Sure.
Being critical of Israel isn't anti semetic. Apply anti Jewish conspiracies is. Comparing Israel to Nazi Germany is. And considering the part of your comment history that's open does exactly that, yeah you are.
joecitizen79@reddit
The goal of Greater Israel
Shady_bookworm51@reddit
How so? Why should they abide by talks they are not part of after all? Isnt that the excuse Israel used for breaking the US/Iran Ceasefire by attacking Lebanon?
BunNGunLee@reddit
Of course Hezbollah won’t abide by any agreements, it’s not an arm of the Lebanese state, it’s a proxy of the Iranian one.
Much like the Houthis it exists to be a non-state militant proxy that can act independently of normal diplomatic channels and not be held back by them.
awesomeredditor777@reddit
It’s just tragic and brutal how far ahead Israel is of all its rivals .
The K/ D ratios are massive , they can only fight back with asymmetric terrorism . As much as I want Israel to stop the reality is they have no incentive to because of how weak their enemies are . And the gap only seems to be increasing . Eventually Israel will conquer more and more territory because why not ?
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
That’s shocking! I mean we know Israel won’t abide by it, just as they haven’t abided by any of the last dozen or so ceasefires, but to have someone else show as much bad faith as Israel is just wrong...
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