‘Everything is gone’: Israel destroys entire villages in Lebanon
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pimmen89@reddit
The shit Israel gets away with are truly mind boggling. Usually the EU is quick to sanction a country for just talking about doing the things Israel is doing now.
We're a third of Israel's entire trade, Israel is less than half of a percent of EU trade. We hold all the cards, and yet we're doing jack and shit when a country right next to our Mediterranean waters is openly committing human rights abuses?
GianfrancoZoey@reddit
The reality of the world is there's the 'good' guys and the 'bad' guys and these can broadly be defined by alignment with America and their international financial systems
Anything the good guys do is okay, anything the bad guys do isn't. All the stuff 'liberal democracies' say is just tripe to distract their populations from these facts and prevent them from noticing what their country is supporting
loggy_sci@reddit
This is such a stupid, reductive take. Good lord. But I guess it’s good that everyone can see how shallow your understanding of geopolitics is.
hyenathecrazy@reddit
The true answer is upholding international law is hard and demands various nation's courts, militaries, and trade bodies to uphold the same standard and agree to hold people accountable.
Too many countering interests as well as lack of political will for radical solutions or means to discuss said radical solutions without an egg thrown or a knife in the somewhere squishy.
psychorobotics@reddit
Swede is not supporting genocide. I think we just feel powerless
pimmen89@reddit
Our government shamed activists who actually tried to do something in Gaza and our vice PM said that "Israel is doing the world a service" with their war in Gaza.
The power that Sweden does have is being used in all the wrong ways.
GianfrancoZoey@reddit
Yes exactly, even the countries who have little material influence on the situation are still working to maintain the political cover of it all. A cover that only seems more and more absurd to people who have been paying attention.
They're doing this because admitting otherwise would shatter the myth of the Western order
loggy_sci@reddit
China could boycott Israel and doesn’t. India could and doesn’t. Nations outside of the “western order” that you suspiciously talk about24/7 could do something, but don’t. They are also bad guys according to you, but you’re too much of a tankie to admit it.
IOnlyFearOFGod@reddit
There is more shit that Israel gets away with, more specifically they horrifying malevolent prisons, where demons themselves roam as prison guards. Just listen to the testimonies brought forth by Euro-med as they spoke to former/prisoners. I have not seen anyone talk about it. Just published now 2026 of April 12.
https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/7022/“Another-genocide-behind-walls”:-New-report-documents-testimonies-of-rape-and-sexual-violence-in-Israeli-prisons
cmonnomorework@reddit
Ah yes the fake news by genocidal terrorist hamas and hez, no wonder nobody listens to these lies and just send the idf weapons
mebeast227@reddit
Would you think the prison guards would be a better source? ESPECIALLY when they don’t allow 3rd party investigations and have admitted to r*ping prisoners proudly?
Screye@reddit
Because Europe themselves are having an anti-muslim moment in their politics. If Israel gets sanctioned, then they will ramp up expulsions. It will lead to a new refugee crisis in Europe, which will in turn cause the rise of right wing radicals in Europe.
The reason the EU doesn't sanction Israel, is because they're hypocrities. They want free access to oil, but don't want to help keep trade routes open. They want Russia to be stopped, but by dead bodies of Ukranians. They will sanction India for buying Russian oil, but then pay Indian to refine that same oil for Europe.
Israel is surrounded by violent ethnostates in the Middle East. As western support has reduced, they have started behaving more like their neighbors than their Western counterparts. I don't endorse the nature of their military practices. But, they're no worse than what was already the norm across Africa and the Middle East.
The reason I believe there is a justification in Israel's actions is because of the disproportionate press they get for their war crimes. Pretty much every other country in that region gets away with worse. Maybe Israel is correct in thinking that they have to use harsh measures for dealing with their enemies right now, because we're entering a freshly antisemitic era in global politics. I believe they have been pretty unsuccessful in the effort. But, I can see where it comes from....like a cornered predator.
pimmen89@reddit
I don’t remember other Middle Eastern countries committing genocides in the past few years and getting away with it. Israel definitely deserves negative press for that.
Screye@reddit
UAE has funded genocides in Sudan that are worse than anything Israel has committed in Gaza. In the last 30 years, Azerbaijan has killed around 15-30k Armenians. Turkey has killed around 40k Kurds in that time. Even just against Palestinians, Jordan killed somewhere between 5000-20000 Palestinians during Black September in the span of a few days. Morocco is said to have killed between 3000-20000 western Saharans have finally annexed the entire territory illegally. Saudi bombings have killed between 10-25000 Yeminis in direct strikes, and ~300,000 Yeminis have died in the overall conflict (although Saudis are only indirectly related to the majority of those deaths). Around 150,000 people have died in the Ethiopia-Eritrea civil war.
Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan and Algeria have been busy genociding their own people to find time for foreign nations.
Even I war surprised. It is hard to find a middle-eastern country that has not committed a Genocide in the last 30 years. Egypt, Bahrain, Oman and Kuwait are the only 4 that can claim innocence.
pimmen89@reddit
Oh yeah, if we compare Israel to absolute monarchies then they have some contenders in the past few years.
The others you had to go back 30 years and still end up with crimes less bad then Israel has done the past three four years.
Screye@reddit
Yes. I'm glad you brought that up.
How do you view the Gaza war, the war against Hezbollah or the war against Iran? What makes the war in Gaza a genocide ? Is Hamas not an enemy in a civil war ? You would struggle to call any of these civil wars and also call the war in Gaza a genocide at the same time. There is a lot of overlap here.
I am willing to concede that all of them are Genocides. My complaint is that Israel faces selective support and selective scrutiny in a way that is unique. Both Israel haters (primarily Communists and Muslims) and Israel supporters (American Evangelicals and Jewish lobbies) apply selective logic on how they scrutinize the war in Gaza and Israel's military entanglements in general.
If these are 2 loudest voices, then it creates an incentive for Israel to continue to be aggressive in its geopolitical strategies instead of trying for a peaceful middle ground. Our haters will hate us no-matter what we do, and our supporters will support us no-matter what we do. The supporters are old and dying and the haters are young and ascendant. In such a scenario, the best thing to do is be as harsh as possible because there may not be another opportunity to gain a favorable outcome in the coming future.
2stepsfromglory@reddit
The difference is almost eighty years of colonialism, expropriation, intimidation, illegal detentions, rape and targeted killings of civilians, most of which are children and women, illegal land dispossession, domicide, and destruction of their cultural heritage and livehoods and the establishment of a regime that de facto treats Palestinians as second-class citizens at best, relegating them to live in what amounts to Bantustans. This is without mentioning the clearly genocidal rhetoric of the Israeli regime and society, where more than half the population supports carrying out massive ethnic cleansing campaigns against Palestinians, and where openly genocidal language wishing for their extermination is completely normalized.
In none of the countries you cited as examples do these kinds of things happen so casually (if at all), not even in authoritarian regimes where human rights are more of a suggestion than the law. In fact:
There's not a single genocide in there bar Iraq and Afghanistan, and the latter is due to Pashtun terrorists taking over the country. From all the things you list across both of your replies only the actions of the RSF in Sudan and the campaigns of Saddam Hussein against the Kurds, Ahwaris and Shia Arabs can be considered genocides, and the latter happened more than 20 years ago and the guy eventually ended up hanged. You could also make a case for the ethnic cleansing in the Karabakh having genocidal intent due to the clear anti-Armenian sentiment of the Azerbaijani government, and for Morocco's annexation of the Western Sahara (which was basically a one-to-one of China's invasion over Tibet) being a clear case of ethnic cleansing due to the disproportionate use of force and intimidation to subdue and subjugate the Sahrawi people, but that would be it. Which is not to minimize the fact that in most cases the examples you used are still crimes against humanity, but they were not genocides because a genocide is not "killing a lot of people", or else Srebrenica wouldn't be considered one.
Screye@reddit
Umm, you really do not want to make a tally of 80 years of violence around the world. We are looking at places that with murder counts in the millions. Israel won't even make it to the top half.
Even if we conveniently ignore Nazi Germany, you are forced to make sense of wars from the last 80 years that were started to destroy Israel. The 80 year narrative is very favorable to Israel, because it shows a trend of genocidal attempts against them, and a parallel trend of Israel proposing generous peace-deals which were rejected by the losing forces.
Jews weren't just cleansed in Nazi Germany. Ashkenazi Jews were ethnically cleansed by the Spanish, Portugal and sent to gulags in Soviet Russia. Sephardic Jews were ethnically cleansed from most of the Arab world.
So here is my question. Where were they supposed to go ? And if they answer is 'yes they are entitled to their state', then what should the shape of the country look like ? And if you have a shape you agree to - 'What is a reasonable level of peace that they should expect, and what is a reasonable level of response if that peace if disrupted' ?
Genocidal rhetoric like 'From River to the sea Palestine will be free' ? How about the Houthi & Hezbollah motto of "Death to Israel, curse on the Jews" ? The 2 state solution was very much on the cards before 8th Oct.
2stepsfromglory@reddit
There were no Ashkenazi Jews in the Iberian Peninsula. The ones that were expelled were the Sephardim, and they were granted the right to return more than a century ago, even having a fast track access to citizenship as a compensation for something that happened 500 years ago, a privilege that the Muslims that were violently expelled a century after them never got and most likely never will get.
For starters, half of the Jewish population nowadays lives outside of Israel and they are doing fine. Second, no state has a right to exist, humans do. And if for a state to exist the people that already live there have to see their land carved without their consent and moving somewhere else to make way for something they didn't agree with, then there is no point in that state to exist. Otherwise I wonder why India doesn't carve itself to give each and every ethnic minority one. Or better, go give the Roma the Punjab, after all they suffered the Porrajmos and their ancestral land is in northwest India.
It's genocidal rhetoric when it's said by the native population of the land who are trying to reclaim their land and dignity, but it isn't when the Likud uses the exact same words in their 1977 original party platform in which they announce that "Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty"?
Only if you are dumb enough to believe that having your country reduced to a concentration camp on one side and a Bantustan on the other, having no right to an army and with your borders controled by the same country that is actively turning your land into a gruyere cheese of settlements and colonies is a viable option.
Screye@reddit
And if you were to return to a land that you were violently expelled from, why wouldn't you instead go back to the original land where everything started and where you are being promised a state ?
You go the first part right. No state has a right to exist. Violence is the only way to enforce a border, which gives you the right to a nation.
I am not a fan of Likud or Netanyahu, I see them as the inevitable result of Oct 8th. That being said, Israel has been the dominant power in this region, and during times of peace has been generally honorable in the way they have acted. Israel's post Oct 8th actions overshadow what was a responsible power for decades in the lead up to it.
It doesn't help that 2 major Palestinian diasporas in Jordan and Lebanon directly led to Black September and the takeover of southern Lebanon by Hezbollah. On the other hand, Jews have been a peaceful immigrant group in every other nation they're part of.
Doesn't this literally apply to every post-colonial nation? None of them can agree on what the borders should be. There was widespread displacement of the people who lived in certain places thanks to hastily drawn lines are colonial powers who were withdrawing. Why is the violence in Israel unique or different from colonial withdrawal at large ?
loggy_sci@reddit
These people don’t think Jews are entitled to a state and they blame antisemitism on Jews and Israel
pimmen89@reddit
Why would anyone be entitled to violently take land from someone else to turn it into their state?
loggy_sci@reddit
Ask a Russian
pimmen89@reddit
No, I wouldn’t struggle at all. Israel’s ethnic cleansing and genocide is systematicly targeting women and children that are not affiliated with Hamas at all with the explicit aim of eradicating these civilians from the area, and hoping that the rest flee the genocide to replace them with another ethnic group.
There’s been tons of literature by genocide scholars on this, and it’s clear that you either have no idea of what you’re talking aboit or you’re just here to spread bad faith disinformation.
BufferUnderpants@reddit
What neighbor rounds up particular ethnic groups, puts them into military prison, and passes laws for allowing the death penalty in that prison system?
Screye@reddit
All of them do worse
BartD_@reddit
I would argue the shit the EU gets away with is mind boggling. The EU top itself supports Israel and many EU member states fully support what’s happening.
People in the EU can’t tell Israel what to do but they sure can tell their EU member governments and to a lesser extent the EU top.
Many think that looking the other way is ok. It isn’t, it’s how bad history is written.
loggy_sci@reddit
Non EU countries also trade with Israel
BartD_@reddit
I responded to a comment specifically calling out the EU.
Monterenbas@reddit
We do not tho, especialy Eastern European countries who is still dependant on the US, for protection against Putin’s Russia
You talk about Israel in a vaccum, as if they were not a tag team with US, not further degrading relationship with Washington is what the EU truly cares about here.
StannisHalfElven@reddit
I mean there would have been, had the U.S. not elected Trump.
BufferUnderpants@reddit
The Democrats would never allow sanctions against Israel without retaliation
StannisHalfElven@reddit
Yes, they would have. Israel is not very popular with a lot of Democrats right now.
BufferUnderpants@reddit
With democratic voters, sure, what elected Democratic politicians do you think would take a hard stance on Israel?
StannisHalfElven@reddit
Pretty much every progressive Democratic politician (Bernie Sanders, AOC, Ro Khanna, etc.) has taken a hard stance on Israel.
BufferUnderpants@reddit
The small progressive wing in Congress (9 out of 214?) isn't exactly known for driving foreign policy.
Progressives are, however, known for being scapegoated for not wanting to vote for Zionists.
StannisHalfElven@reddit
It was closer to 37 back in 2024.
That number is much higher now as support for Israel has almost become a partisan issue.
Lowetheiy@reddit
Welcome the world of realpolitik, where your leaders act out of national self-interest and pragmatism, not some arbitrary moral platitude that your enemies don't even believe in.
cmonnomorework@reddit
Because all govs support the razing of hez. IDF is doing a great thing, so expect more razing to come. It's standard practice in war you know. Not sure why all the crying hahaha
LeGrandLucifer@reddit
Because of Israeli lobbies. But can't say that because that would make you an antisemite and antisemites are right-wing and right-wing bad, amirite?
Mule_Wagon_777@reddit
Other governments let it happen because it's what they want to happen. They want control of the valuable oil in the Middle East and they don't care who they kill to get it.
Israel isn't pulling all those bombs out of thin air. They're sent by other governments, who want them to bomb people.
usefulidiotsavant@reddit
It's because countries are not people, but politicians are. If you can destroy a politician's career by setting up your lobby on their throat, then no mainstream politician in that country will attack your actions, leaving the topic only to local extremists, tainting it further by association.
You do the same to journalists, public figures, major publications until there is a strong spiral of silence keeping the public in the dark - this also is quite easy because most people don't give a fuck about things happening in a country far away from their own asshole. No public interest in the topic -> no political pressure -> nobody breaks the ranks to propose sanctions, because there is nothing to gain politically and, oh, so much to lose -> the "country" does nothing.
It's people all the way down, and people are dumb and selfish. To break this spiral you need an ideological movement as devoted and organized as the Israel lobby is to their cause.
Mintfriction@reddit
Because it was never about those things. They just make compelling casus belli, as everyone here can go behind them
party_core_@reddit
The most immoral army, everybody
Halbaras@reddit
As if that's going to stop Hezbollah launching rockets. This is about ethnic cleansing and possibly giving themselves justification for more brutality in future ('we made it unlivable for civilians so clearly everyone left is a militant').
You just know these fuckers will eventually start settling religious extremists of their own in the stolen land, and then demand a buffer zone for the buffer zone when the occupiers eventually get shelled.
It's what they do with the Golan. Any justification that they need it as a strategic high ground/buffer fell apart when they started deliberately moving their own 'civilians' into it. Their outrage when Hezbollah accidentally hit a Druze village was particularly disgusting given that most of the Druze there still view it as an occupation and they'd put a military outpost next to the village in question.
potorthegreat@reddit
There are already settlers setting up in Lebanon.
cropduster102@reddit
since the attack on Majdal Shams (and the subsequent rise in persecution against Syrian Druze), the Golani Druze application rate for Israeli citizenship has skyrocketed. Perhaps it's due to a generational change, perhaps because they've been having local elections that require Israeli citizenship to run (but not to vote -thats open for anyone), or perhaps, they're beginning to feel more a part of Israeli society than Syrian. Who's to say.
cmonnomorework@reddit
Because all govs support the razing of hez. IDF is doing a great thing, so expect more razing to come. It's standard practice in war you know. Not sure why all the crying hahaha
Zosimas@reddit
https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-892497
:'D
party_core_@reddit
straight into the garbage
I get you tho, no worries, we're on the same page
Anton_Pannekoek@reddit
It's time to call this what it is: A genocide. Ethnic cleansing. I mean ordering a million people to leave their homes, demolishing entire towns and villages, what more do we have to see to conclude this? Random massacres of people with bombs, blowing up entire apartment buildings in Beirut.
It's a genocide, it's ethnic cleaning, openly proclaimed. There are editorials calling for Israel to extend its northern border to the Litani. And do you think it will end there? It will never end.
I really had wished for Israel to just become a normal country, I think that's what the whole world wishes for, but it seems to drift further from normality every day. I don't know what solution is left other than to deconstruct the zionist entity.
spros@reddit
Yes, genocide is when you tell people to leave instead of killing them outright. Brilliant
It's time to call this what it actually is: a big case of FAFO
cmonnomorework@reddit
Yawn, isn't it awesome they sparing the ppl and only razing empty villages? It's doing Lebanon a favor and standard practice of war.
Not sure why all the crying here since the world continues to ship the idf weapons and supports the fight against hez. Oh well good luck! Expect more great news like this
Anton_Pannekoek@reddit
No it's not "awesome" at all. Are you serious? "Standard practice of war"? Since when?
party_core_@reddit
Ignore them, they never post anything but inflammatory ragebait
A_Hugh_Man@reddit
If anyone did this to them, they’d IMMEDIATELY call it a holocaust.
They do it? Oh all of our media mediums call it a complicated, complex situation. They will say it’s not genocide/ethnic cleansing and deploy their JIDF bots to run Hasbara day and night
cmonnomorework@reddit
Yawn, isn't it awesome they sparing the ppl and only razing empty villages? It's doing Lebanon a favor and standard practice of war.
Not sure why all the crying here since the world continues to ship the idf weapons and supports the fight against hez. Oh well good luck! Expect more great news like this
A_Hugh_Man@reddit
Let’s raze Israeli villages then
HalayChekenKovboy@reddit
Didn't they also tell Christians and the Druze in southern Lebanon to not hide Muslims in their homes? They couldn't be more loud and proud about what they're doing, yet the West will bend over backwards to defend them nonetheless.
"B-but Khamas, but Hezbollah" yeah well, there's a reason those terror organisations exist and people join them. Spoiler alert: people tend to be radicalised when dehumanised, watching their loved ones be mercilessly slaughtered and their homes turned to piles of ash and rubble.
Anton_Pannekoek@reddit
That was really shocking to me.
Ill_Chicken550@reddit
Thank you, this is what I've been saying for a long ass time to idiots in my country who only get their information from FOX News.
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