New to boating, how to clean bottom paint?
Posted by ClaimIcy@reddit | sailing | View on Reddit | 23 comments
Posted by ClaimIcy@reddit | sailing | View on Reddit | 23 comments
boatslut@reddit
Leaving J22 in the water? Can you dry sail?
Comfortable-Ad8560@reddit
The best tool you have for a new bottom job is your credit card
Barndillo@reddit
Or find the random seadog in the boatyard that does this for a modest amount of cash
ClaimIcy@reddit (OP)
Not a bad idea!
Barndillo@reddit
I paid a uni student to do mine. He was a part of a crew on another boat at our club, looking to make a few $. I bought paint supplies and safety gear. I went to work (made more money) and would check in with him at the end of the day.
ClaimIcy@reddit (OP)
Very helpful…
indigoinblue@reddit
Nice. Is that a J24? Contrats! Looks like you’re doing pretty good with scraping. There are a lot of possible ablative paints they could have used. Can you describe it? It must be thick enough for you to scrape. Most of those boats that I am familiar with get raced and so they would have used VC-17 but that stuff is too thin to scrape.
Also, I noticed the comet cleaner on the deck. I appreciate a good clean deck more than most. Just be careful not to be too aggressive with it. It can abrade your gelcoat.
carnalasadasalad@reddit
That is a J/22, which is better than a &/24 in every possible way. Such a great boat.
indigoinblue@reddit
Yes they are.
liaisontosuccess@reddit
Are you going to keep the boat in the water or put it in the water only the you want to use it? If you are going to dry sail it, you probably don't have to do anything to the bottom. For now.
drroop@reddit
Sand it down to at least 360, 1000+ if you want to win. Like you want to smooth out where it flaked. Rough is more wetted area, and that's drag. Difference between 360 and 1000 is probably less than a missed shift or bad trim, but to be top, you have to put that extra effort in, or at least as much as your closest competitor. If you get into a drag race, you might appreciate that 1000 grit, or kick yourself if you didn't.
Wash all the dust off, all the crap. I use a hose, and maybe some dish soap.
Wipe it down with acetone, which is the solvent for VC17
Paint it with the VC17.
Next year, you might be able to get away without sanding, that's once ever 3-4 years. VC17 is super thin, and goes over VC17 nice. Eventually it gets to like an orange peel, and you have to sand it down again.
One can of VC17 should do.
Hard to tell if you can lower those pads. If you can, lower one, sand and clean under it, then paint. Under the pads is always nasty. VC17 is nice because it dries in minutes. Then raise the pad back up, move to the next. Do the best you can at the bottom of the keel. Don't forget the rudder, that gets the most growth for being in the sun, but also is easier to clean.
You can probably get it all done in a long day, but might want to budget a whole weekend with the sanding. Just paint with the cleaning but not sanding for me is like a long afternoon, but I'll wash one day, let it dry overnight, then wipe it down and paint it the next.
Might want to tape the water line, or just be careful. I tend to error on too low than going over and having it creep up. Tape can give you a more crisp line.
Raneynickelfire@reddit
By powerwashing it and then painting over it.
That's what you do.
TheVoiceOfEurope@reddit
You don't. You just slap on new bottom paint.
ClaimIcy@reddit (OP)
Been thinking about that, do I actually need to remove the paint in the first place?
TheVoiceOfEurope@reddit
Depends. If you are participating in the olympics, then yes: remove, fair, paint fair.
If not: ain't nobody got time for that. Take boat out of water, pressure wash, scrape off the loose bits, scuff with an 80-grit, repaint, back in the water.
Antifoul is the most crappiest paint possible, because the aim is not "nice colour", the aim is "kill anything that even thinks about sticking to my boat"; Being the crappiest paint means it also doesn't care about prep work.
If there are decades of old antifouling, then you are in for a fun job: scrape off all the antifoul, sand back to clean gelcoat and apply 4-6 layers of epoxy barrier. That epoxy barrier is in alternate green/gray colours, so you can easily identify if some great previous owner already did the job.
Then you antifoul as the last layer of epoxy barrier is still tacky so you get good layer adhesion.
diekthx-@reddit
Sorry but you are wrong after about the second paragraph. No one sands through the barrier coat intentionally. Do not listen to this guy.
TheVoiceOfEurope@reddit
I was bottom painting boats when your mom was wiping your bottoms. Sit down.
diekthx-@reddit
There are three ways to tackle this, in order of best to worst: 1. Pay someone. This is a dirty job with toxic paint. 2. Wet sand. Go somewhere you’re allowed to do this (not next to a waterway, for starters), run the hose constantly and wet sand until the hull is uniform gray or white. 3. Dry sand with a good vac and PPE. The best tool hands down is a Festool drywall sander. This will run you a couple thousand dollars.
ClaimIcy@reddit (OP)
Got it, so it sounds like I shouldn’t continue using a chemical cleaner either way
I might have a friend that has a drywall sander, just need the PPE and vac
diekthx-@reddit
To be clear, this is a drywall sander: https://www.festoolusa.com/products/sanders/drywall-sanders
ClaimIcy@reddit (OP)
Its a J-22! I actually haven’t been scraping, some of it was already chipping but some other parts I just sprayed with a cleaner and used a brush.
Damn, I used comet on the deck all day yesterday, new boat so I’m learning!
Wondering if I even need to remove the paint at all, it came off really easily with the cleaner so it must be just one (or two) thin coats
jaxn@reddit
that looks like a grey barrier coat under the darker bottom paint. If the dark paint stops coming off from cleaning, use a board sander to get the rest of the dark paint off. If you start seeing white spots come through, stop and reevaluate.
Once the hull is all grey, roll a few coats of vc17m on there and go sailing.
Westar-35@reddit
And wear proper paint respirator & filters because this stuff is horrifically bad for you.