all you had to do was shut your damn mouth
Posted by Brave-Influence7510@reddit | greentext | View on Reddit | 303 comments
Posted by Brave-Influence7510@reddit | greentext | View on Reddit | 303 comments
Endketsu@reddit
Anyone have link or name of the video?
OverEasyFetus@reddit
JCS Criminal Psychology makes an extremely interesting video of the interrogation. His whole channel is amazing.
stormspirit97@reddit
Remember that you don't see the enormous amount of boring interviews where they do say nothing but ask for a lawyer because it doesn't get clicks online.
Aktaii@reddit
Yessss ! ands they act like they're so smart while most of the criminals caught are so fucking dumb !
Impossible_Leg_2787@reddit
My mom loves to watch forensic files and cold case files, I can count on one hand how many of those people asked for a lawyer. Those don’t make tv cause they don’t fit the copaganda bill so the cops won’t participate.
AskMeAboutPodracing@reddit
It also makes for genuinely boring TV 99% of the time cause it's like saying "no." in improv. Why include the lawyer portion if it's just gonna force them to do more investigative work, which the characters were already doing? It would have to be relevant to the arrested person's character to have a lawyer. Otherwise, because mysteries need a clear resolution, the detective might as well find enough evidence to lock them up.
Pope_Aesthetic@reddit
The amount of true crime I’ve watched on YouTube where someone allllllllllmost asks for a lawyer… then doesn’t… and is convicted of a crime…
JCongo@reddit
The best is when they first say they want to remain silent, then the detective convinces them to talk within 30 seconds, and the suspect ends up admitting to murder within the hour.
llamaz314@reddit
People are absolute idiots about this. If you get arrested only thing you do is ask for a lawyer, hire a lawyer and do exactly as he says.
cmanonurshirt@reddit
A lot of tv shows love to portray this move as making you guilty which always sucks because it’s the only choice anyone should do
jamiebond@reddit
Our entire criminal justice system would grind to a halt if people actually utilized their rights lol.
To be clear I’m not a fan of cops by any means. But we simply don’t have the system in place to actually give everyone accused of the bs they’re getting accused of to have a free trial with all rights respected. The only way to get everyone through is to bank on most people having no understanding of their rights.
The first thing we should really do is revisit the insane amount of laws in this country. We imprison people at insane rates for insane trumped up charges. If we want prisons and our justice system to actually function in a just and rehabilitative fashion we need to seriously lower the strain on it. But of course that’s not really the point when we got prison prison corporations dependent on us throwing millions of people behind bars to use their labor to turn a profit.
doublediggler@reddit
We have people openly using drugs in the streets, walking onto busses without paying the fare, walking into stores and stealing items, and spraying graffiti all the way up and down the freeway and the police do nothing about it. How do we have too much policing? I just want to live in a society like Japan where people follow the rules.
jamiebond@reddit
Speaking of drug use our overcrowded prisons are a haven for drug use. Great place to get people addicted to drugs and we don’t have enough guards to stop it. Because, again, we are imprisoning way too many people.
NoNewPuritanism@reddit
I don't care and will never care how bad prison is. China, Singapore, Japan have basically no hard drug use. Maybe we can learn from them and their "policies". Would also stop the overcrowding :)
And lol at overcrowded prisons. If there was a bill tomorrow in congress to build 100 more prisons to stop this "overcrowding", you and I both know which side would filibuster it and call the other side racist.
America needs to lock up twice as many people as are locked up right now, not less.
jamiebond@reddit
Ok great you don’t care how bad our prisons are. That means you’re totally fine with rampant drug use in them and guards even selling drugs to the prisoners. Our fantastic prison conditions are helping fuel the drug issue you say you care about.
And fucks sake who is talking about Dems and Republicans right now? I swear yall motherfuckers only care about team sports. Neither party gives a damn about prison conditions and both are to blame for this problem. Oh but sure just keep shoving people into the fentanyl filled prisons where they will have nothing to do but take drugs all day that will really fix.
NoNewPuritanism@reddit
Ok, lets break this down then, I'll try to be good faith. Prisons and overcrowded, and full of drugs. How do we deal with that?
We arrest less people. This doesn't work because American prisons are already filled with the worst. This isn't the 2000s anymore, people with nonviolent weed possession are not in prisons, they're usually in parole or probation. Crime is very high for a developed country, so clearly we are not arresting enough people. El Salvador is proof arresting and putting people in prisons works,
We build more prisons. Dems oppose this, because activists will say its for ICE. In fairness, the GOP might make it about ICE. Regardless, there really isn't a non-political solution to this. A supermajority of prisons are owned by the state, and if we want more prisons its going to need to go through the political process. Democrats will support better conditions in prison, but the GOP is filled with edgy macho guys that will never vote for bettering conditions for "bad people".
We stop the drugs from coming in. Perhaps even a "war on drugs". I don't think I need to say much about this point
I'm being realistic by making it about team sports. It's basically a function of the fact that we are a democracy. I mean seriously, what do you think the solution is?
sleepingjiva@reddit
Username does not check out
NoNewPuritanism@reddit
??? I'm not sure how my username has anything to do with this convo
sleepingjiva@reddit
Well, you clearly are a puritan
NoNewPuritanism@reddit
Wanting people to get locked up is not puritanism. Puritanism is social conservatism and moral regulation. I'm libertarian-left on issues that harm no one else, things like LGBTQ+ issues, adult material, guns, etc. Recreational drugs are a part of that, but only the ones that are less harmful than the cultural baseline of alcohol (so basically just weed. Maybe some psychedelics. Everything else is horrible). Wanting to have people locked up for cocaine, heroin, meth, fent, and other artificial modern laboratory drugs is not a part of that, and perfectly normal even in permissive societies.
sleepingjiva@reddit
And who is the arbiter of what is "horrible" in your ideal society? Legalising some drugs and not others is absolutely moralistic social conversatism. I don't see how you can say "locking people up for cocaine" is anything but.
xRamenator@reddit
Just to frontload this, no matter how severe you make the punishment for crime, you will never deter it that way. The type of people that commit crimes either never think about the consequence in the heat of the moment, they're in a state of mind where it doesn't matter to them, or they think they won't get caught.
To get a society like Japan, you need to build a government and environment that people actually believe in. Its not the policing that makes this happen. (Japan has its own issues but that's for another discussion.)
Of course there will always be a percentage of people that will commit crimes regardless of how bad, or how good their personal circumstances are(white collar crime, kleptomania), but a bulk of crime is due to desperation and lack of productive outlets.
Unemployment, underemployment, low wages, lack of affordable healthcare, access to childcare, and overpolicing itself all contribute to reduced trust in society, and increased crime. You can't solve this by locking up more people, it just makes the whole thing worse. You have to build, not tear down. You could improve public transit immensely by making it free at point of use. Fund public transit through taxes, because public transit benefits not just the people that ride, but also the people who drive. Giving people an accessible alternative to driving means less people on the road, means less traffic, means a better experience to those who drive anyway. Also, fare collection infrastructure costs money, and most public transit systems that collect fares do not break even on fares alone vs the money they spend to collect the fares.
Problem is, people are so up in their own asses about other people "getting shit for free" that they will chose a worse option for everyone just to avoid the slight to their egos.
Point is, unfortunately, there will never be an easy, simple answer to a complex problem, and anyone claiming there is, is either a moron, or they stand to benefit from the problem continuing to exist.
UnevenContainer@reddit
or, and hear me out, have people who give a shit about living in a trustful and civilized society inhabit your country and not those who clearly don't.
GameyRaccoon@reddit
Fact is we commit more crimes than the rest of the "free world." You're conflating freedom with wealth. If we removed all our poor people then all of a sudden the crime goes away.
Lichruler@reddit
TIL Epstein and all his clients were poor
gruez@reddit
Private prisons only account for around 15% of the prison population. Putting the blame entirely on them just makes no sense.
jamiebond@reddit
I’m not putting the blame entirely on them I see them more of a symptom of the problem. Like the purpose in theory of prison is supposed to be about rehabilitation but the cat is kind of out of the bag when it’s being shown to be a profitable venture for corporations. That they exist at all shows something is wrong imo.
gruez@reddit
???
At best you could argue the contractors and/or corrections officers are making money off of this, but there's no way that the government is coming out ahead by randomly imprisoning someone.
GearyGears@reddit
Why is this downvoted lol
gruez@reddit
🤷♂️
probably just kneejerk "wow, you don't support the narrative that the government and corporations are making money off prisoners? You must be some sort of bootlicker"
LayerComprehensive21@reddit
Well they are influenced by lobbyists to pass strict laws
Shrimpbeedoo@reddit
Lobbying regardless of gain to the politician is not making money for the state.
Montana can't open a new prison, make looking at the sky a crime and get a GDP to rival new york by putting it's entire population in prison.
Anrikay@reddit
Private prison lobbying has done an enormous amount of damage to the prison system, not because private prisons have a huge chunk of the market, but because they’ve done an incredible job of buying politicians and marketing the “tough on crime” stance.
They’re not entirely to blame, but I think private prisons deserve a hell of a lot more than 15% of it. They’ve funded pretty much every effort to lengthen sentences and introduce stricter penalties.
dudeatwork77@reddit
But it sounds smart and caring. Whoever going to verify the facts?
radioactivebeaver@reddit
Last I saw was 8%.
ToTheLost_1918@reddit
Right, but take into account all the government contracts that fund state-funded institutions. Everything down to the utensils they eat with is all contrived financial monopolization.
Donutmelon@reddit
It's certainly the main problem for a select few towns. The main issue is the dramatic amounts of poverty and the culture(?) War between everyone in the US. Feels like everyone has to show how big, strong and successful they are.
minun73@reddit
The best way to lower the rate of imprisonment is for criminals to… stop committing crimes. It’s easy. But there are bad apples in every bunch.
KernelViper@reddit
"the best way to stop war on drugs is stop doing drugs"
"The best way to stop racism is stop being racist"
"The best way to stop war is stop shooting people"
StandardN02b@reddit
And yet there are still people shanking people in the streets that get to walk free the next day.
ShowsTeeth@reddit
I asked chatgpt to provide some context for this claim but didn't get a greaaaat answer.
Can you yourself provide some context?
LayerComprehensive21@reddit
This sounds like a luxury belief. Violent crime absolutely does exist and is rampant, not everyone's charges are "trumped up".
IlIIllIIIlllIlIlI@reddit
Copaganda shows make even innocent people look like criminals who deserve the cops harassing them
cmanonurshirt@reddit
And usually cut down the timeline from initial event to the actual “investigation” happening because they don’t want to admit it took them a year plus to get anything real
BiSaxual@reddit
There’s a reason that only 2% of all serious crimes end in conviction, and it’s not because criminals are particularly intelligent or crafty. Most crimes don’t even get reported to police, which just goes to show how little the American public trusts them to get anything done.
amd2800barton@reddit
So for the 98% of serious crimes that didn’t end in a conviction, were there any plea deals? Because it seems like a lot of emphasis in the US justice system is not necessarily about securing a conviction after a lengthy trial, but instead is to force defendants to plea to some slightly lesser crime.
BiSaxual@reddit
I’ll be honest, I’m not sure. I got my data from this paper, which looks at policing as a whole and how trustworthy clearance rates are for determining police effectiveness. It was written in the wake of calls for major police reform/dissolution in 2020. It cites its sources and does mention plea deals (also called diversion), but I haven’t looked further into it.
MechaWASP@reddit
If it isnt considering pleas as conviction, it's such a dirty stat its useless as anything but propaganda.
I mean, if a case is so solid a plea to reduce time or get a couple charges knocked off is no longer considered, why not? Its literally just ignoring the vast majority if court cases, being ones so solid they just plea to get a couple charged knocked off/down, knowing they're dead to rights.
UnevenContainer@reddit
Because that doesn't make cops look as bad as they want, obviously.
MikeHoteI@reddit
Based
Munnin41@reddit
Well there is another big reason and that's that prosecuter is a political position. They want to look good so they keep their cozy job
BiSaxual@reddit
Very true. Prosecutors have to pump those numbers up so they look good on a reelection sign. Your average voter isn’t going to look any deeper than just seeing, “Mr. Such’n’such is tough on crime! He’s put away more SUPER DANGEROUS CRIMINALS in 1 year than his predecessor did in 10!”
Gotta wonder how many of those “dangerous criminals” were just young men caught with an ounce of weed in their glove compartment.
Munnin41@reddit
And how many of those were lied to and bullied into a plea deal
Deetias@reddit
Watching the shows portray how cops act when they are investigated is quite telling. They instantly contact union reps, lawyers, superiors, the whole system backs them, and the misconduct investigators are the bad guys lol
TayRay96@reddit
I've heard that Law & Order specifically tells there extras something to the effect of, "Don't ever act this way around real cops because guilty or innocent this is how you win the statutory maximum"
Neither-Phone-7264@reddit
the lawyer?
Aimin4ya@reddit
That's what the fbi said about Tyler Robinson when he asked for a lawyer
JeffyGoldblumsPen_15@reddit
Never ever say a word to the FBI without a lawyer. Their notes can destroy you.
PeanutParking12@reddit
Thank you random /r/greentext comment. I was considering it, but now I shall reconsider 👍
JeffyGoldblumsPen_15@reddit
If you're constantly quipping in comments. Making Bug man tier Jack Black outbursts publicly. Or tip your fedora at any given time. Please talk to the FBI without a lawyer.
mrbobcyndaquil@reddit
That's the point of copaganda shows.
tabber87@reddit
“If I ask for a lawyer, these detectives will think I’m guilty!”
If you’re sitting in an interrogation room, they already think you’re guilty…
AbyssWankerArtorias@reddit
Luckily judges usually instruct juries that they cannot consider someone invoking their 5th amendment right as a symbol of guilt. How well that instruction is taken, not sure.
CrestfallenRaven621@reddit
I remember when they always used to portray (if you don’t eat the food they offer, its making you look more guilty)
But the truth is its just a way to get your saliva sample without permission.
BSApologist@reddit
I tell literally everyone I know that even though the cops say this, all it will do is give the prosecutor their conviction on a silver platter, and no they won't negotiate because why should they?
ruintheenjoyment@reddit
It's better to look guilty than to be found guilty
5000fed@reddit
‘If you’re guilty, you should get a lawyer. If you’re innocent, you need to get a lawyer’
DaemonKeido@reddit
Well you know how the saying goes: If you are guilty, you need a lawyer. If you are innocent, you REALLY NEED a lawyer.
tdaddy316420@reddit
My lawyer told me if I ever got pulled over for drinking and driving to be absolutely silent until you could call him. He said it'll be awkward as hell but he will make sure you walk without any serious consequences.
Now the lawyer is my cousin and I would never be in a situation where I am drinking and driving since I don't really drink and if I do I'm never getting behind the wheel but it's crazy that you could easily get out of dui like that
Proglamer@reddit
It's so sad - and American of you, - to have a lawyer
Yellowdog727@reddit
In many states you can refuse field sobriety tests and potentially even the portable breathalyzers
Unless you are trying to avoid suspicion, there's basically no reason to risk incriminating yourself by talking with the police or giving them anything
CDR57@reddit
Addendum tk this: be very specific that you are exercising your right to representation and demanding to get in touch with a lawyer. If you just say “I want a lawyer” the cops can either a.) “misinterpret” what you mean I.e. “well they said they wanted one but didn’t request we get them one” or b.) drag their feet in contacting them
Tuarangi@reddit
See the infamous case where they got away with not providing one by deliberately misinterpreting the defendant's slang
As in colloquial use of dog/dawg to address a person
Police somehow successfully argued in court that the defendant wanted a lawyer dog
Case was in Louisiana and the defendant was Warren N. Demesme Jr
Insane_Unicorn@reddit
I mean as dumb as the cops defence is, everyone should learn how to talk like a normal person.
GlorifiedD@reddit
What you’re saying, without saying, is that talking in AAVE, or using AAVE language, is not “normal” and uneducated. You probably don’t realize how racist this is, otherwise you wouldn’t have commented it, or you are a proud racist. Either way, you are the model stereotype of a redditor, which is not something to be proud of.
Tuarangi@reddit
Using slang phrases is part and parcel of the language, who defines what a normal person is?
Based on this argument, "why don't you just give me a lawyer officer" or "a lawyer sir", they could say they couldn't find a lawyer who was an office or knighted!
Insane_Unicorn@reddit
Every language has a standard, that's what's normal.
And I already said the cops argument was dumb.
Tuarangi@reddit
Let me reword then, who defines what the standard is?
What if you weren't given the opportunity to be well educated through circumstances to get to that standard? What if you are from one state or even another country that shared the language and your standard is different, how would you know?
The Chinese tried what you wanted with Mandarin Chinese and have attempted to wipe out other variants, not sure that's the best idea for the US!
GamingGems@reddit
Ok genius, so when do you ask for a lawyer? Because you’re not entitled to it until you’re under arrest. But you (usually) don’t wake up and find yourself under arrest.
So what happens when the police knock on your door wanting to talk because you happen to live in the same apartment complex as the victim, you go to the same law school and are in the same class as the victim and consider her a friend? The cops don’t even think you’re a suspect yet, they just want leads. Do you open the door and say “I DEMAND AN ATTORNEY!” or do you refuse to answer any questions or do you say nothing at all? Because you’re not entitled to an attorney yet, but they can absolutely take the way you behave as an indication of guilt and hone in on you as the main suspect just because of the way you answered the door. Or even if you don’t come the door and hide they can consider you a suspect because you’re the only “friend” of hers that disappeared off the face of the earth, yeah like that doesn’t look suspicious at all.
The real genius move is to not commit a crime in the first place so that they have no reason to suspect you when asking questions and if for some reason they do arrest you, you can be silent and hire (this is important, not a public defender) an attorney to clean up the mess.
It’s important to understand the real course of events in this case. The police arrested McDaniel, not for the murder, but because he (stupidly) revealed he’d been going into other people’s apartments without their permission. So police had probable cause to arrest him for that crime and then consider him a suspect in this murder, thus leading to this interrogation.
minnesotanpride@reddit
Your issue is that cops are allowed to lie. So a lot of the time people are talking because they arent aware they are the ones in deep shit and are trying to cooperate to get out and go home.
SalvationSycamore@reddit
I'm okay if actual murderers remain absolute idiots about it. The higher chance they get locked up the better.
Buraot3D@reddit
If you're in a third world country this only works if you are extremely wealthy and can get a lawyer on demand at any time you need them to come cover for you.
Otherwise, the cops are going to play good cop bad cop and the bad cop will be really bad, like, lose a few fingernails type of bad.
Cloudhwk@reddit
TBF if you end up in court which is likely if you get arrested lawyers have a ethical obligation to not mislead the court
So also telling your lawyer you absolutely did something is probably also a bad move
MaraiaLou@reddit
What I've been told is to answer your lawyer's questions honestly but don't volunteer incriminating info on yourself that they'll be forced to repeat
wripi@reddit
I'm not gonna complain about criminals fucking themselves by being idiots
finite-difference@reddit
You underestimate how difficult it is for most people to remain silent in these types of situations.
magicarnival@reddit
Nah bruh I don't need no stinkin lawyer, lemme just run this by chatgpt real quick
AHighAchievingAutist@reddit
Challenge the cops to a chagpt-off, loser goes to prison forever
RaidensReturn@reddit
Cops hate this one trick!
EU-National@reddit
Obligatoiry don't talk to the police video : https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE?is=-hZAjUJRwEvSFW-l
Kgb725@reddit
They'll bring you in for questioning and still incriminate people
tango_41@reddit
Tom Segura’s got the right idea.
DirtyDan413@reddit
So does Shades
PM_Me_UR-FLASHLIGHT@reddit
Since you're the one paying them, the defense attorney is your only friend in that sort of situation. Even if you're broke, do not risk a public defender because most public defender's offices are underfunded and overwhelmed with their caseload. It's not uncommon for them to just take the first deal the procesutor offers. You should also tell your paid defense attorney the truth, even if you did it. Lying about it to them will hamper their ability to defend you.
Sirix_8472@reddit
You also have to do one thing explicitly.
You have to say you are exercising your right to remain silent.
It's god damned wild! But it's real. Silence without stating you will remain silent is taken by courts as guilt and argued as such by lawyers, uncooperative, belligerent, obstruction. Silence after stating your right is perfectly fine!
Zednoxs@reddit
oh god oh GOD IM LEAAAAANING IN FRUSTRATION
dom_bul@reddit
But can you do this?
scoutpred@reddit
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madnessinbkk@reddit
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Gallusaur@reddit
EquivalentSnap@reddit
I love you 🥰
Sanguinor-Exemplar@reddit
He's always so cuteeeee
xTheyCameBurningx@reddit
Is this real?
Bobblefighterman@reddit
STAYYYYYYVEEEENNNNNN
bindingofandrew@reddit
CAN YOU DO THIS STEEVENNNN
zoso4evr@reddit
GAWDAWLMIGHTYSON
AHighAchievingAutist@reddit
WHYYYY’D YA DOOO IT STAAAAAYVEN
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sanchower@reddit
Shameeedda!
WordsMort47@reddit
Hahaha wtf? Is that a real still?
tedzilla74@reddit
Me when im subtly telling her I want head
DelcoUnited@reddit
What do you think the detective was doing?
daveismypup@reddit
Is this fuckin real cause that’s a LOT of faith in that chair right there lol
RexInvictus787@reddit
It’s photoshopped but barely. The video of the interview is weird. The detective I assume is so freaked out by this guy he keeps leaning backwards in his chair so he doesn’t get to close and before the video is over he’s well past 45 degrees.
ruck_my_life@reddit
I have more faith in that chair than I do in our criminal justice system.
tham1700@reddit
If it is, which idk why it wouldn't be, it seems like maybe he's already gone too far and they just screen capped mid fall? Cuz I don't see how his feet are touching anything at this point
dLurKc@reddit
You don’t know why it wouldn’t be real? Really?
Bobblefighterman@reddit
It's not
2BEN-2C93@reddit
This is the funniest shit I've seen in ages, but i can't share it with anyone as its stupid nonsense
ohididntseeuthere@reddit
i NEED the interrogation vid link with this frame
BullyDz@reddit
You can see it around 12:10 in this JCS video . I'm fairly certain OPs is a photoshop, but he did work that chair
destroyerOfTards@reddit
Get on with the times, it's ai generated
LordMegamad@reddit
Holy hell I need to watch this later. He really just hit em with da "I don't know"
ohididntseeuthere@reddit
the comments are hilarious
RaidensReturn@reddit
I’m howling
StudioUAC@reddit
So that's where that's from!
DeDuniel@reddit
Throughout Heaven and Earth, I alone am honored.
NathanCollier14@reddit
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH Steven
lalozzydog@reddit
Everybody with their shit together acts like this
tigerofblindjustice@reddit
I should know
Buttfranklin2000@reddit
The stance of ultimate power
Brave-Influence7510@reddit (OP)
wtfffffffffffffff
FireDevil11@reddit
From what I've seen cops will literally turn into C.I.A. lite and just psychologically torture you into admitting guilt for a murder that didn't even happen while also using your own dog to guilt trip you.
Tilting_Gambit@reddit
You guys are fucking morons. Your whole experience with police and law comes from true crimes podcasts that show you the 4 false confessions out of the 400,000 legit confessions.
"Did you kill Sarah at the bar on Sunday night?"
"Lawyer. No comment."
Queue the police spending 6 months investigating you and wasting time, instead of finding the actual killer.
"Did you kill Sarah at the bar on Sunday night?"
"No, I was at a work function at the golf club. Here are the names and phone numbers of 40 witnesses and here's the number of the club. They'll have CCTV footage of me hanging there all night. And here's a receipt of the dinner I paid for at the same place. It's about an hour away from that bar, so that should help clear my name. Anything else you need from me? Yes, take a look at my phone, I've got 75 selfies at the golf course too."
If you want your lawyer there to help communicate all this to police, no worries. That makes some sense. But all these guys making it seem like cops are going to throw you into a medieval torture device until you confess, or have no regard for catching the actual criminal, are insane. They want you to confirm your alibi as soon as possible so they can move onto their other suspects.
Red--Claw@reddit
Wrong, police are well known for forcing false confessions. Generally 29% of confessions are false and with murders it increases to 60%.
Evidence
Evidence 2
Evidence 3
Tilting_Gambit@reddit
29% of confessions aren't false you moron, read your own links.
They're saying that of the exonerated cases that were studied 29% involved a false confession. That's 29% of 375 cases, or about 108 cases where the offender was innocent.
So false confessions are still a minority even when the convicted guy was innocent.
So like I said, there's like 500,000 convictions resulting in prison timr per year. About 5% of those are wrongful convictions. If 29% of those wrongful convictions are false, you have about 7,000 false confessions per year. With the majority of them being under 21.
So the false confession rate is 0.018%. You're more likely to be misidentified by a witness than accidentally give a false confession.
Red--Claw@reddit
First your forgetting that its 60% not 29%. Second of course info would only be around for exonerated cases, thats how we know for a fact the confession was false. But we also know that only around 15% of people who are falsely charged do get exonerated. Third about 10% of convictions are wrong and about 800,000 people are convicted with prison time each year for a total of over 23,200 people being forced into giving false confessions each year meaning the average police officer will force a false confession out of two people.
Tilting_Gambit@reddit
I think you're struggling with basic logic, because you're not understanding the links you provided.
If I line up 1000 falsely convicted people, 290 of them have given false convictions.
If I line up 1000 convicted people, less than one of them have given false confessions.
Do you understand the difference? False confessions are extremely rare.
Your links say 29% of exonerated people gave false confessions, not 60%.
Way less than 10% of convictions are wrongful convictions. I have no idea where you got 10%, but the average number used in criminology is between 4-6%.
This is all wrong. Scroll up, I did the maths for you. Whatever goofy gorilla math this is, is all wrong. You're over counting false convictions and giving some completely unhinged number for false confessions. Where are you getting this "cop gets 2 false confessions" shit from lmao.
You should be more worried about getting into a car crash on the way to the police station than being mind controlled into confessing to a crime you didn't commit. The rate is like 0.005%. This is not a widespread issue.
Red--Claw@reddit
Fuck you im not going to explain basic concepts to a racist.
Tilting_Gambit@reddit
Lol what
haha7125@reddit
Never speak to police without a lawyer.
nadhari12@reddit
Or you can say completely irrelevant shit and make the rage quit too.
romulusnr@reddit
When they really need to nail you, they don't give up. They work on you for hours. They lure you with ending the ordeal quickly, they subtly threaten you with what will happen, they pressure you, etc.
Fine-Procedure-6374@reddit
i always think this too until i imagine actually sitting there in that room 😭 like i can barely handle awkward silence in normal conversations, i’d probably start talking just to fill the space even if i knew i shouldn’t lol
Cornelius_M@reddit
They actually count on that very thing. They know that people hate silence and the person usually speaks too much to avoid awkwardness. Also be sure to be explicit on invoking your right to remain silent, it can be used against you by just not speaking, you need to say “I’m invoking my right to remain silent and want my attorney present.” The wording is important to be clear you wish to use your rights.
theyeshman@reddit
What is up with all these chatGPT bots trying to sell titty pics on this sub recently?
Electrical-Help5512@reddit
I like tits and hate thinking I fail to see the problem.
70U1E@reddit
Yes hello, I would like to motorboat you
SipoteQuixote@reddit
Laeva_teinn@reddit
SipoteQuixote@reddit
EquivalentSnap@reddit
Hehehe 🤭🤭
Iwubwatermelon@reddit
Why do they all look like Homer Simpson? Is this in Springfield?
SpaceBug176@reddit
Now that you mentioned it, it reminded me of this image.
Duke0fWellington@reddit
Man I wonder how old that image is now. I feel like I've known it my whole life lol
KomisktEfterbliven@reddit
That image is probably older than my youngest brother, and he's 18
discgolfallday@reddit
That's fuckin awesome
Bobblefighterman@reddit
That looks like a fun weekend
GuerillaGandhi@reddit
Peak interrogation technique: Kage bunshin no jutsu with extreme leaning
Seanrocks30@reddit
Can we make this with one of the ‘angry dude - chilling dude’ memes?
I know there’s one with a lion and a monkey, some other stuff too I think
Available-Rope-3252@reddit
So what happens in the actual video?
HertzWhenEyeP@reddit
He's a complete nut who was peeping in a girl until he murdered and dismembered her.
Dummy was literally being interviewed by local news when he found out the cops recovered her body and had a panic attack on air.
That said, either he was able to collect himself and plan, or he went totally catatonic during questioning. He would only answer questions in a blunted, flat affect that completely befuddled the detectives who pretty much shit the bed by allowing their emotions and frustration to lead them off track.
It's more or less a master class in how not to interrogate someone and is widely used in LE training.
That said, the brillo haired fuckwit was still dead to rights and currently being spit-roasted for honey buns in the state penitentiary.
Moonwatcher_2001@reddit
you see the time-lapse video of this? The dude barely moves an inch for hours. Super fucking creepy.
Tilting_Gambit@reddit
No, they found a few Google searches that demonstrated he'd been planning on acting catatonic to get off on insanity if caught. This guy just had the freakish discipline to sit there for 3 hours staring into space.
Bobblefighterman@reddit
It's hilarious to see the cops zipping around on fast forward while ol Steven is frozen the entire time.
Available-Rope-3252@reddit
As he should be. At least they had evidence since they couldn't get a confession.
Strangegary@reddit
Not much on his part he is not Moving his body at all and just always looking the detective in the eyes
He did kill and dismember a girl he was obsessed with before the interview however, and was condemned
lmay0000@reddit
Whos condom ned
Jumping_Muffins@reddit
Whose*
TheHamAndTheGuap@reddit
Hose
lmay0000@reddit
Hous
Dawq@reddit
Dr_Death_Defy24@reddit
Tfw r/okbuddyvicodin starts leaking
Arikaido777@reddit
moronic_programmer@reddit
Mouse bites
ISV_VentureStar@reddit
Hoes
poop-machines@reddit
Whores*
Lazy-Conference-1560@reddit
He pretended to be in shock if I remembered correctly
Mottis86@reddit
Actually, he wasn't looking at them in the eyes at first, until the officer told him "look at me when I'm talking to you" or something, after which he locked eyes with the officer and kept staring at him until he the end of the interrogation.
amd2800barton@reddit
Who’s this a pic of?
Gramerdim@reddit
who uploaded it?
darkhorse21980@reddit
He knew he was cooked when he was told they found her body during a live interview.
Textiles_on_Main_St@reddit
But he didn’t want to talk about it?!
baudmiksen@reddit
being a neighbor, hes giving an interview to a reporter about the missing girl and almost faints when the reporter says they found the body
Kyo-313@reddit
He's quiet
Available-Rope-3252@reddit
Wielkimati@reddit
No, really. If I remember correctly, the police already had the evidence he's a killer, but the detectives couldn't get a confession because the dude literally just shut-off emotionally and was only responding in yes/no, if he was even responding.
Available-Rope-3252@reddit
Honestly as much as a piece of shit he is, that's the smartest criminal ever. If he was slightly smarter he would have just lawyered up before that.
Wielkimati@reddit
If he was slightly smarter he could just not murder a girl, living in the same campus, dismember her with hacksaw bought online (that was immediately connected to him), and just throw her remains in the dumpsters in the very same apartament complex.
Available-Rope-3252@reddit
I agree, it was good that the police had overwhelming evidence, but the fact of the matter is he did do it, but the piece of shit was smart to shut the hell up in an interrogation.
ur_moms_boy-toy@reddit
He almost tips over.
KazakiriKaoru@reddit
Dude stayed eerily still, like he was a doll
AHighAchievingAutist@reddit
JCS Criminal Psychology did a fantastic video on this, the part where Steven slowly turned and locked eyes with that detective and completely fuckin dereailed the cop to the point he backed off was pretty amazing
KazakiriKaoru@reddit
Got a link?
HamBlamBlam@reddit
In turns into a raunchy threeway.
AHighAchievingAutist@reddit
STAYVEN YOU SSAID YOU LIIKE GIIORLS, YOU LIIIED TO ME STAAAAYVEN
BeenEatinBeans@reddit
JCS did a full breakdown of the case a while ago that features a lot of the footage.
FartInsideMe@reddit
The dude goes to prison for life so
ajjaran@reddit
He gives robotic, mostly monosyllabic answers to every question for almost 3 hours. It's kind of unclear if it's a genuine psychotic break or an act, but the detectives have no idea how to approach it and desperately try every approach they can think of; at one point, they even try appealing to his sense of moral decency and culpability despite finding a collection of (and a mask made from) stolen women's underwear in Stevens apartment and being pretty certain he'd killed his neighbour (he did).
To be clear, it didn't work, and Steven was eventually convicted for murder.
FearTheSpoonman@reddit
Is this the guy what was interviewed on the news, and was told they found the body and starts visibly panicking?
Ada_Pearce@reddit
Well most criminals are idiots and idiots think they can talk their way out of stuff because they're idiots
Dawashingtonian@reddit
“win” ????????? he absolutely did not win lmfao it was monumentally obvious that he killed his victim.
70U1E@reddit
I mean he lost the war but in that room he 100% won the battle lol
dLurKc@reddit
If the victory conditions were making yourself seem guilty as fuck, sure.
EnPassantLover@reddit
Are you good buddy? He gave them nothing, if they had no hard evidence he might have gotten away with it
ReadThisIfYoureGay@reddit
Why would he tell them that he's a virgin saving himself for marriage and that he stole condoms from another apartment before the interview? He gave them weird extra info.
ur_moms_boy-toy@reddit
The law doesn't operate on vibes, people are not locked up for life because they 'seem guilty as fuck' in a police interrogation room.
He was imprisoned because there was actual hard evidence that he did it, not because the police thought he was a creepy dude for not saying anything.
Ok-Lynx3444@reddit
Because he was stupid enough to dump her body in the dumpster right outside his apartment which got discovered immediately and left his dna all over the place
He knew he was fucked the moment he learned they found the body and this was a desperate last ditch effort to plead insanity
Schafer28@reddit
JCS criminal psychology did a great video on this guy if anyone's interested.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HkRjIq8Cp2A&pp=ygUVamNzIHN0ZXBoZW4gbWNkYW5pZWwg
The_Third_Molar@reddit
Just subscribed, thanks for the suggestion.
NectarOfTheBussy@reddit
I miss JCS
Schafer28@reddit
They're still doing videos. Just very, very sporadically. The last video was 3 months ago, and the previous was 10 months before that.
NectarOfTheBussy@reddit
Yeah but it’s just unfair what happened to their channel when I get EWU videos every week
70U1E@reddit
What did happen to JCS, anyway? I knew something went done but never knew what
Glum-Sprinkles-7734@reddit
Copyright claims and AI was involved iirc
There's a video by The Right Opinion that delved into it
Potrainer21@reddit
JCS is michelin star EWU
brendanp8@reddit
And i think their most recent video used an AI recreation of the original narrators voice 😞
blaubarschboi@reddit
Pretty sure that's very old news and not the newest video
DickUrkel69@reddit
Remember the prince Andrew one that was removed? Classic
ack4@reddit
so like, i know it strains the imagination, but a lot of criminals have difficulty with impulse control
Azylim@reddit
its not just that, but the police have perfected the psychology of making people talk. These interrogations are hours long and theyre supposed to make you feel nervous and anxious. Eventually youre just so tired you'll talk just so you can get some rest.
airfryerfuntime@reddit
Also the part in movies where the lawyer busts in the room and says "he's not gonna talk to you! Let's go!" and just ends the interview is nonsense.
The_Third_Molar@reddit
And if you aren't actually arrested you're free to get up and walk out.
ack4@reddit
that's why, in the us, they aren't allowed to interrogate you after you request a lawyer, until your lawyer is present
m4teri4lgirl@reddit
They are definitely allowed to interrogate you at any point while you're there. You're allowed to not talk. Different things.
Kgb725@reddit
No theyre not. Theres a reason why they have to re-read miranda rights after a lawyer is requested to keep the interrogation going
MrSansMan23@reddit
I think it more so that the defendant cant claim they intimidated or scared them after asking for a lawyer.
If you weren't interviewing them between when they asked for a lawyer and when they came.
Then the defendant can't claim that they intimidated them after asking for said lawyer
ack4@reddit
regardless of the reason, the correct way to take advantage of this is the same
onarainyafternoon@reddit
This isn't how police are taught to do interrogations anymore because of the absurdly high false positive rate. At some point, a suspect will just admit to anything because they're so nervous and anxious and uncomfortable. Cops are now trained to make the suspect as comfortable as possible.
AHighAchievingAutist@reddit
whuuuut they
Whuuuh
awesomedan24@reddit
"Lawyer."
Brave-Influence7510@reddit (OP)
Ayo, Better Call Saul, FINGER
Widdok@reddit
I guess they think they are more clever than police.
Its a big mistake to asume, you are smarten than evernyone,even if its true.
MechaWASP@reddit
If you say so
prex10@reddit
It's a common police tactic to act like they're pissed off you're not talking. They're baiting you into conversation.
Police know the difference between someone who is demanding a lawyer now and won't talk and someone who "maybe I should talk to a lawyer". The latter will talk.
wine_coconut@reddit
I'm reading Homicide right now! It's such a fun read!
I'll also suggest reading The Corner, also by David Simon
rocuronium@reddit
“Who am I talking to?”
“This is Detective Tomlin.”
“Detective Tomlin?”
“Yeah, who’s this?”
“This is James Baskerville. I’m calling to surrender to you for killing Lucille.”
“Goddammit Constantine, you bald-headed motherfucker, I’m up here trying to do a crime scene and all you can find to do is fuck with me. Either come up here and help or—”
Click. Mark Tomlin listens to a dead phone line for a moment, then turns to a family member. “What did you say was the name of Lucille’s boyfriend?”
“Baskerville. James Baskerville.”
When the second call comes, Tomlin catches it on the first ring. “Mr. Baskerville, listen, I’m really sorry about that. I thought you were someone else … Where are you now?”
Later that night, in the large interrogation room, James Baskerville—who would later agree to life plus twenty years at his arraignment—offers no excuses and readily initials each page of his statement of confession. “I’ve committed a serious crime and I should be punished,” he says.
rocuronium@reddit
we joke to each other about constanine you bald headed motherfucker years later
AresorMars@reddit
Because we are emotional beings and detectives use manipulation techniques along with incentives (like a reduced sentence). Why do you think it's advised to hire a heartless lawyer
wripi@reddit
You mean almost like the investigators have to read these rights to them and rather would like not to?
PropheticUtterances@reddit
He didn’t win though he went to federal prison.
Lohs25@reddit
Everyones tough until they pull the “Nana nana boo boo” technique
GrotchCoblin@reddit
S T E V E N
fabmar@reddit
Sh mm K
LANDVOGT-_@reddit
There is this awesome youtube video of a lawyer and a cop both telling the students to actually never speak to the cops.
Dinky_ENBY@reddit
Quasi-Kaiju@reddit
Pro tip: if they are interrogating you It means they don't have enough on you. Shut your mouth.
They say right in your Miranda rights " anything you say CAN & WILL be used AGAINST YOU!"
Agile_Return_7684@reddit
Stephen McDaniel case
Wolfipls@reddit
P pi
Wolfipls@reddit
J
OhTheBarbarity@reddit
He was found guilty though, he didn’t win.
This is Stephen McDaniel he murdered Lauren Giddings
Katorga8@reddit
They also played this interrogation in court and the jury thought "wow what a weirdo"
sanchower@reddit
WHAAAAAAAY STAYYYVEN? WHAAAAAAAAA
RealTurbulentMoose@reddit
The real police secret is building a case by speaking to witnesses and gathering actual physical evidence collected through investigation — following what the kids call “clues”, I believe.
immaownyou@reddit
Its crazy how often they just like... dont do that
RealTurbulentMoose@reddit
It is way easier if dumbasses just tell on themselves, to be fair to the po-po.
Character-Feeling430@reddit
Sometimes if you say nothing it's incredibly incriminating and makes you look bad.
Ego cant handle it, human nature is to defend yourself.
SyntheticDuckFlavour@reddit
"Your honour, the accused said nothing. Therefore, prosecution will move to submit a complete absence of information as damning evidence in court."
You have zero clue what you are talking about. 1.) Making you "seem guilty" has zero weight in court. It's all speculative nonsense as far as evidence is concerned. 2.) If it's not an absolute charge, then there is no charge, period, and the issue never sees the light of day in court. 3.) Silence does not narrow crime to you either. Absence of information means accusations made against you is speculative, and therefore charges against you must be based on supporting external evidence. Any competent defence lawyer will shoot down any of these hand-wavy points in court.
NoMorning8069@reddit
saying nothing is never incriminating
Stuka_Ju87@reddit
In the US not in other countries like the UK.
Character-Feeling430@reddit
They going story was that this guy pictured was a weirdo freak that murdered his neighbour. He sat stock still not saying anything reinforcing the first part making the second easy to believe.
A lot of the time you're in the room because there is some kind of link between you and the case and you're being asked to fill in gaps - which any normal person would do.
"Where were you last night?" "Lawyer"
Oh okay this guy absolutely did this or knows something.
Garfalo@reddit
None of that would make it to the courtroom where it actually matters though.
Mean_Introduction543@reddit
If you’re in an interrogation room it’s because the police already think you have something to do with the crime and working backwards from that assumption, actively trying to make you incriminate yourself even if you’re innocent.
They are not coming to just get a statement to fill in background detail, they are interrogating. If it was the former there is no reason to bring you in, they would come to you.
The only reasonable response if they have brought you into interrogation is to ask for a lawyer and do not say anything until they arrive. Regardless of if you are guilty or innocent.
Roger_Kulan@reddit
It might make the police suspicious, sure. But if you say nothing you cannot incriminate yourself to the courts, which is what matters.
Do not talk to the police, only ask for a lawyer. Even if you're innocent
FromTheDeskOfJAW@reddit
The 5th amendment exists to protect both the innocent and the guilty. Saying nothing doesn’t mean one thing or another. It means you’re exercising your rights
Character-Feeling430@reddit
A good way to protect yourself is offer information that makes it very obvious you weren't involved.
_Regicidal@reddit
and this is how innocent people end up in prison, you should feel ashamed spreading this bullshit
FromTheDeskOfJAW@reddit
My guy, this is absolutely why the cops say “anything you say CAN and WILL be used against you.” Don’t talk to cops without a lawyer present. Period. The best protection you have without a lawyer is to shut up
icaro_93@reddit
"i LOVE taling to cops, give me my TALKING TO COPS medal"
Santaklaus23@reddit
Guilty or not, do not to talk. In Germany you have the right to remain silent. Police and Judge can't force you.
iwasbatman@reddit
There are a couple of pretty good yt videos that go over this extensively
FUNNYGUY123414@reddit
We've been propagandized to get on our knees and kiss boot, to understand law enforcement as the best of us and working for our best interests. The courts may ostensibly treat you as innocent until proven guilty, but officers will treat you as guilty always unless you have some immense privilege and power
You-Killed-God@reddit
Someone with enough impulse control to do this would most likely not be sitting in an interrogation room
pandaSmore@reddit
Because they're stupid and/or ignorant.
kapaipiekai@reddit
My place was getting raided and I told the lead cop I wanted immediate legal representation before answering any questions. He goes "what do you need a lawyer for if you didn't do anything wrong? hurr hurr hurr". I said "Are you advising me that I don't need legal representation?" and he 404d for about 30 seconds while he did the legal math of answering that question before just turning and walking away.
LoneRedditor123@reddit
He didnt win though? Lol
raider1v11@reddit
Who is this?
Enes_da_Rog1@reddit
There's a video on yt of him giving an interview to a news station as the neighbor/roommate (i forgot) of the murdered girl. In said interview he finds out that they found her body and you can see his brain working, realizing he's fucked...
raider1v11@reddit
Lolol "I think i gotta sit down"
Crumber_Buckler@reddit
Stephen McDaniel, it’s fucked up
VerdNirgin@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lauren_Giddings
KazakiriKaoru@reddit
A murderer
MattUzumaki@reddit
STAAAAYYYYWUUUUNNNN
DeadSuperHero@reddit
Don't talk to cops. They're not your friends.
dTrecii@reddit
Dude definitely did not win if you knew the outcome of this guy
xSTRAIGHTEDGE420x@reddit
Clyde-MacTavish@reddit
Only? Intellectuals would know that that is the maximum amount of controllers for an original xbox. The real pressing issue is that Stayvun would have needed their own console to connect via system link or xbox live. This is just as big of an issue if not more than only having 4 controllers.
wasted-degrees@reddit
Every day is Shut The Fuck Up Friday.
Igotbannedlolol@reddit
Profit?
PMME-SHIT-TALK@reddit
Like 80% of cases solved on The First 48 are the cops saying “I heard a rumor this guy was involved but we have absolutely nothing on him, let’s see if we can get him to confess” and the guy just sits in the interview room as long as the cops want until he gets hungry and confesses the entire murder for no reason. If people knew to ask for a lawyer i dont know how anything gets solved.
ConscientiousPath@reddit
The key is figuring out that you're allowed to say nothing ever early. Then after a certain point as they get more and more frustrated it becomes a fun game to just see how far you can take it
Rando_Kalrissian@reddit
But he did lose
Crayen5@reddit
The guy got 30 years in prison, I wouldn't call that a "win"
Majesty1337@reddit
he talked iirc
The_Bygone_King@reddit
This dipshit did not win.
Keeping silent just made him look even fucking worse in court because it was obvious he was faking.
What you actually do is ask for a lawyer then shut your mouth. You don't play up the drooling idiot act when your neighbor's dismembered remains are found in a trash can outside your apartment complex with your DNA in her apartment.
Fuck this asshole. I hope he rots.
Sure_Association_991@reddit
Whatever happened to the strong silent type Gary cooper
Newtype879@reddit
47 seconds of, perhaps, the most useful television you may ever see - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eFqkUbLk8A
FJkookser00@reddit
The frustration itself is a ploy, but the idea stands.
If you get in trouble with the cops, be kind, respectful, comply, call a lawyer. Makes it easy on all involved.
Azylim@reddit
that is literally what youre supposed to do. especially if yourr completely innocent.
Ask for a lawyer and shut up.
People incriminating themselves unknowingly is one of the easiest way for the state to prosecute you, and its a common way to be wrongfully convicted.
EVEN if youre guilty and caught red handed you should shut up, give your attorney more to work with and give you a better shot.
Tojo6619@reddit
9/10 they literally just need you to admit it, just remain silent, anything they say can and will be used against you
UFCLulu@reddit
Most people can’t
Willy_B_@reddit
What's the video?
breakfasteveryday@reddit
?