The New York Times, the Democratic Party and the preparation of Phase 2 of the war against Iran
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The Times’ declaration that “Iran’s regime deserves no sympathy” must be examined in the full context of what this war has done to human beings. The war opened with the assassination of Ali Khamenei in a strike that killed him alongside family members in his residence, as well as senior military commanders and government officials, in a country engaged in active negotiations. The strikes simultaneously inflicted mass casualties on civilian populations, including, by credible accounts, more than 100 children. The wives and family members of targeted officials—people whose sole connection to the “regime” was the accident of familial relationship to those who held political power—were killed in the same strikes.
The Times editorial, surveying this reality, informs its readers that the regime deserves no sympathy. Had Iran launched a comparable preemptive strike on Washington—killing the president, his officials and family members during active negotiations, while simultaneously killing over 100 American children—the Times and the entire political establishment would have responded with a fury that would have made the reaction to September 11 appear measured. The demand for accountability would have admitted no qualification.
The Iranian dead receive none of this. The children among them are unacknowledged. The widows of assassinated officials generate no moral consideration. The “no sympathy” formulation erases them from the moral universe within which the editorial’s readers are invited to evaluate the war—a universe in which Iranian lives constitute a categorically different order of existence from American lives, one that imposes no obligations of acknowledgment or accountability on those who have taken them. This is not incidental to the editorial’s politics. It is their moral foundation, designed to ensure that Phase Two can be organized and prosecuted with the same indifference to Iranian human life that characterized Phase One.
The sentence that most precisely reveals this editorial’s political purpose is the following: “It is also a mistake for any Americans, including Mr. Trump’s critics, to root for this country to fail.”
Amish_Fighter_Pilot@reddit
Weren't conservatives just going on about all lives mattering?
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
There is a difference between conservatives and neocons. Conservatives all turned away from Trump for his treason and all he has is neocon boomers and zionists. He no longer has the Christian vote.
Amish_Fighter_Pilot@reddit
He can't run again so it doesn't really matter who's vote he has now. That damage is already done
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
Midterms matter because Congress can impeach him
Amish_Fighter_Pilot@reddit
Most people will probably just vote for the AIPAC choice. I don't hold out a lot of hope for elections. Somehow we always get Zionists.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
Oh Christians are against AIPAC. Leftists on the other hand praise Israel for being the only country that kills babies.
Least-Letter4716@reddit
There are more Christian Zionists in the US than there are Jewish people in the world. And those Christian Zionists are all conservative.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
Being a Conservative Christian completely goes opposite of zionism. Not sure what caricature you imagine them to be, but Conservative Christians say the jews killed Jesus.
Conservative Christians also do not allow female priests. An actual example of a Conservative Christian would be the Amish, Orthodox of practicing catholic.
Least-Letter4716@reddit
Evangelical Christians are conservative and Zionists. Overwhelming. A few are not. The people in the US who are most anti Zionist are the true Leftists, not the fake Leftists Democrats.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
They might claim to be but they are not Conservative Christians. That is a specific category to which they do not belong to.
Most groups calling themselves evangelical are very socially liberal and their congregations are not conservative, they are libertarian at best. No church with a female pastor can be described as conservative when it comes to Christianity.
Amish_Fighter_Pilot@reddit
Jesus never said a thing about Evangelical pastors or who's allowed to be a preacher. He never even said if there should or shouldn't be pastors or priests of any kind.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
1 Corinthians 14:34, which states, "Women are to be silent in the churches. They are not permitted to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says."
1 Timothy 2:11-12, which reads, "A woman must learn in quietness and full submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; she is to remain quiet."
Jesus had disciples who organized the first churches around the Roman empire and beyond. They laid down doctrine for organizational hierarchy and organization.
That is why Catholics, Orthodox and the Amish do not allow women preachers. Catholics are more liberal because they do not require head covering for women while Orthodox and Amish insist that women always have their heads covered.
Amish_Fighter_Pilot@reddit
I said Jesus. The Apostle Paul wasn't even born when Jesus was claimed to have been crucified.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
Most people have not met Jesus or talked to him. All there is for them is writings from those who carried on his message. That being said the churches were founded based on the writings of his disciples. And they wrote down the organizational structure of the church.
Now you can go ahead and claim that Catholics and Orthodox are not real Christians and that is your point of view. But Catholics and Orthodox are the Conservative Christians and you have no argument against it. You are more than free to go and try to debate the people who built the actual churches and convert people that they are doing it wrong. But you yourself have not built organizations nor converted millions so their opinion on the topic carries more weight than yours since you never bothered to persuade people to your point of view.
Least-Letter4716@reddit
Anyone who believes in treating women as second-class members of Christianity is not a follower of Jesus. Anyone who doesn't condemn war and violence is not a follower of Jesus. Anyone who does not condemn the wealthy is not a follower of Jesus.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
Let the followers of Jesus that built churches decide who is and is not a follower. Your morality virtue signaling means nothing to them since you have no followed him.
Those churches are two thousand years old almost and they had billions of people agree to those tenets over two millennia. They don't care what you think about their religion. But the rules of their religion are written down. And those rules were consented to by those who chose to join.
You know nothing of Jesus and making up some caricature version of what one must do to be recognized as Jesus or his follower is peak leftist arrogance.
Least-Letter4716@reddit
The words and teachings of Jesus are known. He taught non-violence and said an eye for an eye is evil. He said it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to see the kingdom of God. He accepted Mary as his most beloved follower. He preached empathy and love. The real Jesus has been rejected, and people calling themselves Christians worship greed and murder and hate.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
You just made up a bunch of stuff you wish to fit your worldview.
Jesus made a whip out of cords to drive merchants and animals out of the temple courts, an act of righteous anger intended to purify His Father's house from commercialization. This event, recorded in John 2:15, involved Him making the whip deliberately rather than in a rage, driving out both sheep and cattle while overturning the tables of money changers.
While popular culture often depicts Jesus as solely gentle, this incident demonstrates His deliberate authority and willingness to use physical force to confront corruption and restore holiness
So much for non violence huh? He accepted Mary but he never had her go spread the gospel or become an apostle. He preached love, not empathy. He also condemned sin to the point of making a whip and beating sinners with it. Yes he said greed is bad and people should not be obsessed with wealth. At the same time he said pay onto Caesar what is Caesar's which meant pay your debts including student loans.
You don't sound like you have ever read the bible.
Least-Letter4716@reddit
He was angry with the money changers in the temple. He would be considered a Leftist by both US political parties and especially you. He said an eye for an eye was evil. He said blessed are the Poor and the Meek. He put himself in the place of others who were suffering. That's empathy. He said it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to see the kingdom of God. He, in today's terms, would be a Leftist and hated by people like you.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
Nope Jesus condemned leftists of his day. They were called Pharisees.
If you really thought his values aligned with your heart you would proclaim yourself a follower of Jesus instead of being a leftist. So it shows you know nothing of Jesus.
Jesus would tell all the leftists to pay their student loans and they would want to crucify him for it a second time.
Least-Letter4716@reddit
The Pharisees were traditionalists, and Jesus wanted the laws of Judaism to change when they didn't make sense. They believed in an eye for an eye while Jesus said it was evil. Jesus believed rich people could not see the kingdom of God and had empathy for the less fortunate.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
No Pharisees were the leftists who were trying to get the people to turn away from the Torah towards the Talmud. Seriously do you do zero research when forming your opinions? They tried to get Jesus to say that people should not pay their taxes (student loans) and Jesus said who's face and name if on the coins you took loans with and pay taxes with? Once they admitted it was Caesar's he told them pay to Caesar what is his.
“You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also"
This was literally said about Roman Occupation and turning the other cheek was meant to mock the Romans because they would slap someone with the back of their hand but touching someone's face with the open palm of their hand actually implied patronage so when one would turn the other cheek, the Romans would pause and not strike with the open palm.
Least-Letter4716@reddit
The Pharisees wanted the compassionate man of God, Jesus, to be murdered. They were corrupt and couldn't stand the enlightened teachings of the man of non-violence and empathy.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
Jesus literally made a whip and beat people with it. That is not non violence or empathy.
Pharissees wanted to introduce leftism via Talmud and Jesus rebuked them for going against God and conservative traditions.
Talmud has 8 genders in it. Torah has 2 genders in it. Pharissees followed Talmud which also allowed baby rape and baby murder. Jesus called them painted coffins, synagogues of satan and children of the devil.
Jesus was a conservative and traditionalist who told people to reject satanism and follow only Torah, not be evil followers of Talmud. They tried to frame him but getting him to speak against the Romans but he told the Pharissees they should pay their student debt so they had him executed.
If Jesus was in US right now and walked the streets telling leftists to pay their student debts they would murder him faster than they did Charlie Kirk.
Least-Letter4716@reddit
Jesus showed anger at the version of capitalists of his day. The money changers in the temple. Jesus was a Leftist. He said rich people can't see the kingdom of God. He preached that an eye for an eye was evil. He shared his enlightened teachings with his favorite follower, a woman. He preached empathy for the poor and meek. The far right would have him in an ICE detention facility or in CCOT being tortured. His anti American views would have him labeled a terrorist by the current US administration.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
Money changers literally are the opposite of capitalist. Capitalist means a group of people pooling together funds to create a project that benefits them all. Money changers are bankers who create inflation and merge with the government to suppress capitalism.
He said it is hard for those obsessed with wealth to enter the Kingdom and yet Hollywood is the one obsessed with wealth and is super leftist. He never said eye for an eye was evil, he said do not engage evil people meaning avoid leftists.
He shared his teachings with all of his followers not just a woman. Why make up stupid shit? She was in the crowd, not the sole receiver of his teachings. What is worse is she never wrote anything down nor testified of anything after he was gone. You are making the opposite of the point you think you are making.
He literally was a person who was counted in the CENSUS and was referred to by his place of birth. Literally the last person ICE would care about. You are doing a lot of projecting here and it is turning into complete delulu.
He would tell leftists to repay their student loans. You seem to be triggered by that.
Least-Letter4716@reddit
Lol! Bankers are the essence of capitalism. Jesus hated bankers. Like the ones who have everyone in debt in the US and the ones who financed Hitler and the ones who support the genocidal state of Israel.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
You don't seem to comprehend what words mean. Bankers go back to ancient babylon where the Talmud was written. They have been financing leftism since those times.
Capitalism is the enemy of bankers which is why they hate it so much. Most of the west had anti-usury laws until capitalism arrived. Then the bankers had governments cancel anti usury laws because the people were pooling their money together instead of going for loans.
Capitalism is literally people pooling money together among a partnership and keeping non productive capital out to avoid loans.
If myself and three other people pool our money together to buy a farm that is capitalism and the farm is not owned by the bankers nor beholden to corporations. That is capitalism.
If instead myself and three other people take a loan from a bank then we are behold to a bank and a corporation and are not engaging in capitalism.
How hard is it for you to understand the difference? Capital is money people pool together to make a purchase to avoid a loan and avoid a bank.
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Least-Letter4716@reddit
Lol! Socialism is hated by bankers who want markets for private investment and debt for countries and austerity for citizens. Capitalism and bankers go hand in hand along with imperialism and Zionism.
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Least-Letter4716@reddit
You are correct. Paul, who was Jewish and murdering Christians before he lied about a miracle and pretended to become a Christian, then hijacked the religion for the Romans.
Amish_Fighter_Pilot@reddit
It can be argued that he hijacked the religion, but Rome didn't Christianize until Constantine and Eusebius made it official at least 250 years after Paul's execution.
Least-Letter4716@reddit
True. But Saul's family was not the average Jewish family. They were given Roman citizenship.
Amish_Fighter_Pilot@reddit
There was certainly a proto-Christian church in Rome at that point already and scattered in a few other places around the region. Roman citizenship was elite compared to slaves, sure, but he was far from connected to powerful Roman elites.
Least-Letter4716@reddit
You're mixing up religion and politics. Evangelical Christians are politically conservative and mostly socially conservative. The Amish are 0.12% of the US population and have an extremely low percentage for voting. Most people who call themselves Christians don't follow the words and teachings of Jesus.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
Evangelicals calling themselves Christians are literally the opposite of conservative. They sometimes claim to stand for some fiscal conservatism but none can actually explain it. They vote blue no matter who. Which is why the biggest evangelical churches are in the bluest parts of their states. You should go to one of those churches or even better you can watch when they stream their services online. Women in short skirts dancing on a stage is not what anyone would consider socially conservative.
I like how you dismissed the Amish by citing their percentage and chose to ignore the Catholics who are the biggest congregation of Christians in US and make up almost a quarter of the whole population.
Least-Letter4716@reddit
Evangelical Christians are over 80% Republicans and overwhelming vote Republican.
I mentioned the facts about the Amish because you mentioned them as being conservative. The fact is they don't get involved in politics much.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
And 80% of republicans are leftists as well. Being a democrat does not automatically make some one a communist. Political parties are tribalism and not actually reflective of ideology.
Lindsay Graham and John McCain 99% overlapped with Biden and Obama while officially claiming that they are republicans who lean conservative. McCain literally came off his deathbed in order to vote to stop communist obamacare. That is the walking definition of anti-conservative.
Lindsey and McCain have medals from ukronazis and trump is jealous the nazis to this day refuse to give him one because he is not as left as them and is only slightly to the left of Obama who did not get a medal either.
Least-Letter4716@reddit
Republicans and Democrats are united in representing their billionaire and corporate owners and are the opposite of Leftists.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
Leftists literally are the foot soldiers of billionaires. Who do you think funds the leftists? The middle class?
Least-Letter4716@reddit
Leftists are the only opposition to billionaires, and there are no Leftists in elected office in the US.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
Leftists are the only organized gangs that billionaires own and deploy. Who paid for all the signs to be pre-printed? Name a single leftists group not funded by billionaires?
George Soros, through his Open Society Foundations (OSF), has provided funding to 6,613 separate groups or individuals since 2016, according to IRS filings and OSF data. While not all recipients are explicitly "leftist," the vast majority support liberal, progressive, or left-wing causes such as criminal justice reform, immigration rights, climate action, LGBTQ+ rights, and anti-war activism
That right there is over 6000 groups and individuals owned by one billionaire for example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tides_Foundation
Tides Foundation is a left-leaning donor advised fund based in the United States that manages over $1.4 billion in assets.
Literally a leftist terrorist organization that has over a billion in assets that it could have given out to poor people but it uses it to bribe government officials and fund terrorist riots. You can't make up how ironic it is that the main leftist org itself is a billionaire hoarding wealth instead of helping the poor.
ActBlue^([1]) is an American Democratic Party political action committee (PAC) and fundraising platform founded in 2004. ActBlue is a major part of the Democratic Party's fundraising infrastructure.^([2])^([3]) As of 2025, ActBlue reports that it has raised $16 billion for Democratic candidates and causes since it was established.
In March 2017, Levin said that Indivisible had received over 10,000 donations that totaled over $500,000 since January through ActBlue.^([32]) In October 2017, the New York Times reported that Indivisible had received almost $6 million since its inception, mostly through small donations via its website as well as from Reid Hoffman and organizations linked to Democracy Alliance donors.^([33]) The latest top donors list included a number of prominent tech companies including Apple and Alphabet. In April 2025, The Hill reported that since 2017, Indivisible Project, which is the group’s 501(c) body, had received over $7.6 million from George Soros's Open Society Foundations
Oh yes a group receiving from Reid Hoffman, George Soros, Apple and Google is totally against billionaires. Got any other stories that are totally believable?
Least-Letter4716@reddit
Leftists don't have a national group or any organization funded by capitalists billionaires. Democrats are not Leftists. The role of the Democratic Party is to keep Leftists out of power.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
Communist Party of America literally tells it's members to vote democrat. The organizations that I listed above are main sponsors to AOC, Sanders and Warren.
Not sure what you will claim next qualifies as leftists but Kamala Harris literally raised funds to bail out antifa terrorists as they burned down Minneapolis. All democrats vote far left. This is why the country's government has veered far left in the last 30 years. Speeches that Clinton, Biden, Pelosi and Schumer gave 30 years ago are now attacked by leftists for not being left enough and are also defended by other leftists who say at that time they had to lie to the general populace to get elected as not leftists but when in power they pushed all the radical left agendas so that was the price to pay.
Least-Letter4716@reddit
CPA are Democratic Socialists so Democrats. The Democratic Party is center right.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
You really have no clue what center or right even means. Democrat party is far left but apparently not left enough for you.
The Amish are centrists. Right of the Amish would be monarchists and theocrats.
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Least-Letter4716@reddit
The Democratic Party is financed by billionaire capitalists. Socialism bans private companies and certainly billionaires. Please read up on Socialism.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
They are not capitalists, they are corporatists. Merger of corporations and state. The ultimate socialism.
You seem to not understand socialism at all which does not ban private companies, that is what communism does. Weird how you have opinions on topics you never bothered to research.
Least-Letter4716@reddit
Socialism is the people owning the means of production and distribution. Basic knowledge. Please refrain from unserious comments. What you want isn't what capitalism and Socialism are. They already have definitions.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
Socialism does not ban private corporations, that is communism. How are you so defiant in refusing to even learn the meaning of the words?
For example Volkswagen has three ownership groups. The founding family owns a part, the state it is based in owns a part and the union of the workers own a part. That is socialism. Under communism the state would own the whole thing and the founding family along with the workers would not be entitled to any of the profits.
Least-Letter4716@reddit
Communism is a theory that a Socialist state exists. Eventually, the state will wither away, and there would be a stateless society of cooperation. Socialism is the people owning the means of production and distribution and no private companies.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
You seem to be completely confused on the topic and terminology. People owning means of production are still private companies. Private means non employees are excluded from ownership.
Public companies is where stock is shared and sold by non workers.
Nationalized companies is where no stock exists and ownership belongs to the state, not to the workers.
Least-Letter4716@reddit
"The people." All the people. The workers. Own the means of production and distribution with no private ownership and no private corporations. Public ownership is a term used for ownership of utilities like electricity and water by the people of a city or county. A public utility. Basic information.
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Least-Letter4716@reddit
Lol!
Amish_Fighter_Pilot@reddit
There are a lot of very strange Zionist preachers out there. Especially as part of the Calvary Chapel network. You might be surprised how much influence they've had over older Christian voters who don't realize they're watching people who are part of a doomsday cult.
Leftists do not like Israel though. I am not sure what Leftists you believe think that, but only liberals who don't know anything about anything love Israel and liberals are not leftists at all. Liberals are self righteous low information capitalists who regurgitate the garbage from mainstream media sources that they were raised to blindly trust. They don't really have any ideology other than a near obsession with allowing abortion and disallowing guns. Actual leftists are pretty hard to find in America.
mrdoom@reddit
I do not know any leftist dispensationalist but I estimate about half of the people that identify as "A CHRISTIANS" are sipping a bit on the end times koolaide.
Those "leftist" were not around during the crusades afaik.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
Most churches in the US are leftist though. Female and gay ministers is a left not a right side of Christianity.
American Baptist Churches USA allow women to serve as preachers and pastors. The denomination officially permitted female pastors starting in 1985, contrasting sharply with the Southern Baptist Convention, which prohibits the role.
The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) and the North American Lutheran Church (NALC) explicitly ordain women to the pastoral office, with women serving as pastors, bishops, and archbishops. The ELCA first approved the ordination of women in 1970, and by 2019, women comprised over one-third of its lead pastors.
While the United Methodist Church has ordained women as deacons and elders since its creation in 1968 (and granted full clergy rights in 1956 to its predecessor), and the Free Methodist Church began ordaining women as deacons in 1911 and elders in 1974, some smaller denominations do not.
Only Mormons, Catholics and Southern Baptists don't allow female priests.
Trump's ''spiritual advisor'' is Paula White who claims to be a female pastor which is not allowed in conservative Christianity.
mrdoom@reddit
None of those positions are explicitly "leftist". You can be a raging gay zionist in the IDF and not be a "leftist". You can be a warmongering girl boss and still orchestrate a genocide in Libya.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
Those things are literally identified as leftist. How are you bad at this? IDF is one of the most leftist terrorist groups in the world.
Amish_Fighter_Pilot@reddit
How do you not recognize that the IDF is a capitalist colonial proxy force for the Western Capitalist Order? Especially with a name like that... you'd think you'd know Zionists are extremely right wing in all the areas that actually matter.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
IDF is literally a far left org that hates Christians with satanic passion. How are you ignorant of such basic facts? They literally just carpet bombed Christian villages in Lebanon and had their satanic spawn erase those villages from Google and Apple maps.
Seriously how are you this removed from basic facts?
Amish_Fighter_Pilot@reddit
Hating Christians doesn't automatically make them left wing. That's so batshit crazy
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
It literally is the main tenet of leftism. How do you expect people to be unaware of such basic founding principles of leftism?
Amish_Fighter_Pilot@reddit
Your user name suggests you actually have read a book and yet here you are saying stuff that is so absurd a child could have thought of it. SOME leftist movements had a problem with religion in general, but others do not. It is by no means fundamental to leftism anywhere except in your paranoid fantasy world.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
Bolsheviks killed 50 million Christians and destroyed and seized over 40,000 churches. Those are basic numbers. In China Mao killed even more than that.
Leftism is literally founded on atheism. Seeing 50 million murdered in one country by leftists and another 100 million murdered in another country by leftists is not a paranoid fantasy, it is simply pointing to facts.
Amish_Fighter_Pilot@reddit
That's assuming you believe those numbers. I'm not a fan of Stalin, but he's hardly an example of all leftists. Vietnam still lets Catholics have churches there even though the Catholic minority oppressed the rest of the population on behalf of the colonial French. Leftism isn't as one-dimensional as you're depicting it.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
What numbers do you think were mass murdered by Stalin for being Christians then? Lets see how serious of a debater you are. Present what you think actually happened?
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I doubt any were killed for that alone. A lot of folks rounded up for supporting the Whites in the Russian Civil War. Where is your outrage for the Muslim Tatars that Stalin deported to gulags? If Stalin hated Christians so much, why didn't he shut down and demolish Christian churches in Russia and the Soviet Union?
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mrdoom@reddit
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Nothing Leftist about the IDF/Israel/Zionisim and Christain end time zionists are the largest sector of pro Israel tools in the US.
Equal rights is both a Liberal and Leftists position and pretty much just follows the Golden Rule of which good "christian" are supposed to practice but ymmv with that one.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
Can you reword in a coherent attempt because it does not make sense what you tried to write.
mrdoom@reddit
Sure I doubt we will ever be on the same page but here goes.
Leftist do not hate Christians. Leftist ideology has borrowed much from the social gospel and some would argue that it has adopted the most important elements found in traditional religions. That is why the reactionaries and bible thumpers are crying that "Cumminists have no God" all the time.
Much of the support for Israel in the US comes from evangelical dispensationalist (end time kooks) . Jerry Falwell & all the televangelists are in this boat. Trump titillates this group of crazy death cult nutcases with tweets about retaking the "holy land" by way of the Israeli Zionists (mostly European colonists that were given nukes for some reason?). A huge number of churches in the US fund "Jewish" organizations that push for expansion of greater Israel.
Israel can carpet bomb every christian city in the middle east and it still is just "fulfilling Gods prophesy " according to the christian zionists.
There is nothing left wing about any of that.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
Leftist ideology literally was created in hatred of Christians. It stems from Hegel whom Marx copied and when Lenin and Mao came to power they famously said Religion is the Opium for the masses and must be eradicated. 40,000 churches were destroyed or seized by Bolsheviks while they murdered 50 million Christians. One would say the track record certainly proves that leftists hate Christians.
Zionism is anti Christian as well. If someone claims to be a Christian zionist then you found someone openly bragging about being a satanist. The founder of zionism was an occult practicing satanist. You'll notice that the zionists who claim to be Christians all preach what they call prosperity gospel or sign and dance JOY kind of like the platform Kamala Harris used. All those zionists vote blue no matter who. The rest of the Christians do not consider them actual Christians.
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Amish_Fighter_Pilot@reddit
It makes perfect sense. They are a capitalist proxy force. Their social liberalism isn't proof that they are "leftists". Most Israelis aren't even socially liberal anyway. You've clearly never heard of Modesty Patrols.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
Ah yes they social liberalism is not proof they are leftist. Because being a leftist does not mean they are leftist. Nice pretzel you twisted there.
Amish_Fighter_Pilot@reddit
How can you have that user name and be so fucking clueless about what leftist means? Social depravity over top of capitalist and colonialist ideologies is not leftist(it's just right wing degeneracy).
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
They literally have cradle to the grave UBI and socialized healthcare. Why are you attacking and insulting me just because I am anti zionist?
Amish_Fighter_Pilot@reddit
I'm pointing out that conflating Zionists with Leftists is bizarre and ignorant
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
They literally are one and the same with the same banks funding them.
DEI and ESG were pushed by Blackrock who also are the biggest funders of Zionism and IDF. And blackrock is the opposite of capitalism because their funding came from Obama giving them trillions. Literally merger of corporations and state to push leftism.
Amish_Fighter_Pilot@reddit
Merger of corporation and state is called fascism. Read a book
Least-Letter4716@reddit
Basic facts won't register with some people. They make up their own alternative definitions.
Amish_Fighter_Pilot@reddit
Cognitive dissonance caused by a desperate need to believe America hasn't become a clown car. It also stems from a desperate need to believe someone in power represents them and cares what they think.
Least-Letter4716@reddit
Absolutely.
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Least-Letter4716@reddit
Actual Leftists are anti Zionists. Democrats aren't Leftists, and Republicans support Israel more than Democrats.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
Did you know that the Soviet Union was the first to recognize a UN registered corporation calling itself Israel? It wasn't the US republicans, it was the soviet communists.
Least-Letter4716@reddit
I did. And which Communist countries are supporting Israel now and fighting their wars?
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
Well Venezuela started shipping them oil after their communist vice president sold the country out. Mexico just had a communist installed as president after an election so rigged saw over 40 political candidates murdered. China supplies zionists with every household item and had to ship around the horn of Africa because Houthis bombed those supply ships.
The only non leftist country on that list is Russia. And Russia is still left of center.
Least-Letter4716@reddit
Venezuela and Mexico aren't Communist and selling goods it not giving Israel billions like the US does. I'm surprised you don't know what a Leftist is and what Socialism is. Russia is a capitalist country and to the right of center.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
Russia literally has not banned abortion. That is left of center.
Venezuela and Mexico are socialist countries but have communist zionazi rulers installed recently.
I am not surprised that you don't know what those countries are or what socialism and leftism is.
Least-Letter4716@reddit
Venezuela and Mexico have not banned private for-profit corporations, so they are not Socialist or Communist. Abortion does not determine if a country is left or right.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
Abortion literally does though. No right of center country would allow it. In a theocracy abortion kills a future believer and in a monarchy abortion kills a king's subject without his permission.
I am starting to think you don't know the difference between right and left at all. And that's ok we all need to start learning from somewhere.
Look up when the Russian Tzar was overthrown by leftist terrorists who had foreign funding. If you study a little bit of that history you will be able to understand the values held by the right vs hatred of values by the left.
Least-Letter4716@reddit
Respectfully.. you think anyone you disagree with, including those with fascist tendencies, is far left.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
Well Mussolini was a social democrat and he left the party for not being left enough so he created a far left movement of collectivism.
Key characteristics and functions of the fasces include:
The word "fasces" is the etymological root of the modern term fascism, which was adopted by Benito Mussolini's political movement in the early 20th century to evoke the authority and unity of the Roman state.
Mussolini wanted collectivism enforced with a threat of death.
Least-Letter4716@reddit
Mussollini was a fascist. He murdered Communists. As I said. Everyone you don't like or does something bad is a Leftist.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
Stalin and Lenin murdered a lot of communists as well as did Hitler. Does not mean they were not all followers of Hegel and Marx. None of them wanted a monarchy or a theocracy. They liked being leftists because it gave them power over the helpless proletariat because corporations and state were merged and constantly hunted down anyone who dared to speak up against the system.
Just like when Obama hunted down US citizens and droned them while spying on journalists and even arresting them for refusing to reveal sources.
You seem to have a personal vested interest in defending leftism no matter how much evil is exposed. On the other hand my vested interest is exposing evil. Do you see what makes you attempt to oppose me even though I never attack you as the messenger of your views?
Least-Letter4716@reddit
Hitler was financed by bankers to murder Socialists and Trade Unionists and Communists. Hitler was a capitalist.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
Who was Lenin financed by? Lenin and Stalin killed more Communists than hitler and mussolini combined?
Fun fact: Lenin and Hitler met in London while both getting their training. Lenin lived in Switzerland after that. And Lev Davidovich Bronstein was sent to help Lenin by Schieff family who were prominent on Wall Street.
You are so close to connecting the dots.....
WalnutNode@reddit
The crusade against Iran has been going on since the 1950s. We're well past phase 2.
digitalgimp@reddit
AIPAC has entered the conversation. The American political system is a self licking ice cream cone. Vote for aid to Israel, recycle the money back to American Zionists the donate said money to congressmen and senators. Votes for AIPAC policies is a vote against American voters.
Asatmaya@reddit
Those children would have grown up to be... whatever they are claiming is so bad about the Ayatollah that he deserved to die.