Were Chrysler products ever good?
Posted by ILoveEnverHoxha@reddit | askcarguys | View on Reddit | 553 comments
Hello, I have been having a deep thought as of recently on Chrysler (now Stallantis) products reliability throughout history. The real question popped into my mind when I was thinking about a family members purchase of an 05 TJ wrangler with the 2.4 4 cylinder and the disastrous way that it blew a head gasket after multiple trips to the dealership (first couple of mechanic trips took place outside of the dealership then once they couldn't solve the issues the he brought the car to the dealership for an extensive maintenance fee that didn't solve anything).
Now I know since the beginning of COVID the entire Stallantis brand has had a massive climb then a strong collapse which they still cannot escape from and has lead to the brand becoming a scapegoat of unreliability, which I can attest to after driving a couple of vehicles that were younger than 3 years old and had awful experiences, but I saw a strong following for older Jeeps online and how they were "bullet proof" vehicles even though that family experience has scarred me from ever getting near any of them.
So as someone who has been dailying a Toyota for the last 3 years, have I been spoiled by Japanese reliability? Was Jeep reliable when compared to American car standards? Or was my experience a one off that's uncommon?
ja9512@reddit
I'll probably get down voted for saying this. They don't make the greatest products out there. But the hatred towards them is like an internet meme almost. So many people will trash on them having never owned whatever model it is. Let alone a Chrysler product in general.
birdsofanassfeather@reddit
Thank goodness I've never had to own one, but I've worked on enough Chrysler products over the years to tell you, most surely, that they are terrible machines designed by monkeys with crayons
04limited@reddit
I have a lot of Chevys come in the shop but my two Chevys at home are fairly trouble free.
sharpshooter999@reddit
I come from a family of Ford owners. Rarely have we had an issue. I know people who've had Fords with tons of issues. Same with tractors. We're mostly Case with a couple Deeres. We're constantly having issues with the Deere's and rarely have a problem with Case. And we've got neighbors with the opposite
ja9512@reddit
At least a few people understand what I'm saying. Then there's these idiots bringing up how they're on the bottom of these "lists" for reliability. Those lists are meaningless. Subaru is towards the top as most reliable. That's all I need to say.
Conscious_Rich_1003@reddit
Head gaskets are a maintenance item, so not accounted for in the reliability metric. Hence Subaru looking so good
Vault702@reddit
Maybe for the EJ25D, since they switched to the multi-layered steel (MLS) head gaskets in like 2011, that hasn't really been the case. So you're still repeating a meme derived from an issue that only applies to 15+ year old cars.
Cool_Dark_Place@reddit
Yeah, and Hyundai/Kia gets lots of hate, but I'm rocking a 2011 Soul Base with 275K miles that refuses to die, and I've beat the shit out of as a Doordash car! Been one of the most reliable cars I've ever owned, and this is coming from someone who's owned a 1982 Mercedes Benz 240D, a 1995 Toyota Corolla, and a 1996 F-150 with the 300 straight-six!
Mediocre_Paramedic22@reddit
Yep, I’ve owned 4 dodge trucks, 4 jeeps, a challenger, a Durango, and a dart. Ranging from 1976 to 2023. Only one ever had any problems and Jeep took great care of us. I drive a charger as a police office and blew up the transmission 3 times, but that was some very hard use. It just kind of depends on a bit of luck. Most modern cars by any manufacturer are really pretty good, but nothing it perfect
Sarge75@reddit
My first car was a 72 Dodge Dart
pepeneverknew@reddit
This is the internet, you’re not supposed to be rational. :) lol
davewritescode@reddit
My father in law refuses to drive anything but Chrysler products. It’s a very small sample size but my lord what pieces of shit they are.
Elric_of_LincolnPark@reddit
Yeah but don't you think as a mechanic hes already considering the compared to other makes idea?
joehk67@reddit
Thanks for calling the people that design the vehicles monkeys. We really appreciate the support. Lord knows it's not management's fault for constantly underfunding and understaffing engineering since the Daimler buyout.
Agile_Lawfulness9678@reddit
The beancounters are ruining all makes!
apimpnamedkirby@reddit
Does the understaffing and underfunding lead you guys to design cars that are PITA to work on? Why do I need to take a tire/fender well liner off to change a headlight? Or have to pull an entire motor out to change a routine maintenance item that could cause catastrophic failure like a timing chain? Or drop an entire subframe, and remove suspension and steering systems to change a clutch plate? It seems diabolical at this point.
joehk67@reddit
Design engineering a modern vehicle is always a battle for every inch of packaging space. Want a large, sweeping headlight design? Can't package it without having to removing the fascia. We need to add another emissions/safety/customer feature under the hood? Well that will require removing these components to service the timing chain. CAD models, computer thermal and stress analysis software, improved manufacturing that all allow components to be placed tighter together and make it more difficult to service? Do it because we want a lower hoodline.
Working_Tea_8562@reddit
At least could all Mfg’s get together and put the gas fill receptacle on the same side of the vehicle? If the engineers and designers had to work on the vehicles and be held to a time standard for repairs, they would not design vehicles so awful to work on.
Miserable-Election25@reddit
Good reason for the gas caps thing actually, it's to keep a more or less even distribution of filling sides so that gas stations don't clog up too badly in one direction
joehk67@reddit
With the timing we have we prioritize assembly then service at the dealership for designs. Engineering does it's best to make things as easy as possible. It's impossible to protect against all serviceability issues, but do make running changes when possible based on plant and dealership input.
mr802rex@reddit
Its not just the vehicle design and component packaging. Dodge group products, for at least the last 35 years now, use worse engines and transmissions than GM and usually ford. The comically terrible 4 speed autos in the 90s really hurt reputation but dodge's still have more of those issues than most. The poor packaging and pita to work on is only brought to light given the fact the components fail faster. Not like fords are a cakewalk either with having to remove the cab to work on 6.0s and stuff like that, but they usually last an expected life cycle before that's needed. GM just works and are easy to repair when they do have issues and yes, their 4l80 was terrible, almost as bad as the dodge transmissions of similar years. At least the 4l60 would just wear out and burn out clutch packs where the dodge would blow apart snap rings and have shit half disassemble itself. All 3 have there drawbacks but dodge has way more. They wouldn't even be a truck contender if it wasn't for the phenomenal cummins, that dodge had nothing whatsoever to do with besides getting a contract to use it. The rest of the trucks are disposable though IMO. There is a reason you see exponentially less dodges than fords and chevys on job sites and as commercial vehicles. Chargers and challenegers are another great example. GM fully redesigned and recreated the camaro. Ford did the same with the mustang. Dodge looked at that and said screw it, lets use 90s mercedes chassis for the dodge stuff, that's way easier than designing our own chassis. Its a 90s german chassis competing against actual new classics designs meant to be sports cars. The challenger did look phenomenal by comparison though. Yet muscle era dodge had some of the greatest cars ever made and were generally pretty reliable. They did some unique things, some good and some just odd. Like the ignition circuits are kind of a pain compared to especially GM, but the proper K member always reminded me of 90s japanese cars. Such a better design than what ford and GM were doing at the same time IMO. They bad really solid engine and transmissions back then too and were pretty easy to work on. Shame they didn't keep up with those traditions in modern times but you're right in the fact every manufacturer has these struggles with all the BS mandaded to be in every new terrible vehicle made these days, its not exclusive to stellantis but they just seem to handle it a bit worse than most companies. Still are easy compared to like BMW and audi, but definitely harder than ford and GM.
joehk67@reddit
We wanted a new chassis but Daimler forced us to use their suspension for LX. I remember when we were testing the Hemi and we kept blowing up the Daimler axles. They wouldn't let us use Dana so we had to torque limit the first few model years. Being sold them stripped bare by them didn't help.
brendangalligan@reddit
To be fair, you don’t HAVE to drop the engine to change a timing chain, you could disassemble the dash, remove the cowl and the windshield and torch cut a big ass hole through the firewall, but dropping the engine is probably the fastest way to take a 4 hour job in most cars and turn it into 30, though my alternative is probably 75MH start to finish so pick your poison.
not-on-your-nelly@reddit
Isn't there a joke about a proctologist who decided to become a mechanic and did a valve job by going back up the exhaust?
birdsofanassfeather@reddit
I don't disagree with you one bit. Sometimes the monkeys are the ones counting beans
Anistappi@reddit
And sometimes they just fix the cars and talk shit on the web.
birdsofanassfeather@reddit
Truly! But sometimes they're an engineer, fabricator, expert diagnostician and master level specialist for multiple brands, while talking shit on the internet
psykorunr@reddit
MBA. Monkeys Breaking All
Conscious_Rich_1003@reddit
Engineer here, not automotive. I assume you have the same experiences where everyone cries when you add costs to increase quality but praises you when you make the chrome shinier.
mr802rex@reddit
Its not really the cost being the issue so much as the lack of quality components and PITA packaging compared to their competitors. So more frequent repairs that are harder to perform than they would be in other brands which wouldn't likely have that same issue, at least in that same timeframe.
JLandis84@reddit
I appreciate what you do. Don’t let the haters bring you down.
alanmm88@reddit
I’ve got a 2013 300s with 45k miles on it and so far no issues with regular maintenance. I’m just waiting for all the sensors to go out soon cause apparently that’s a big issue with them. Really hoping I can dodge any issues cause I plan to keep this car as long as I can so I don’t have to have car payments.
birdsofanassfeather@reddit
Yes indeed, the TIPM failures 🥲
Don't get me wrong, hobbling it along to avoid payments is a noble cause and one I know well, regardless of make/model. I wish you the best in your quest.
PastBuy8484@reddit
I drove valet for years so I’ve seen my fair share of vehicles with issues or not.
The ones with the most problems by far were Subaru. Nissan were next.
Most reliable by far was Toyota.
Everything else was model dependent. I drove plenty of jeeps with 200k+ miles with no issues. In fact during that job I bought a used Grand Cherokee because not many vehicles came in still driving good with 200k+ miles except for Sequoias, Suburbans and Grand Cherokees
MCRN10379558@reddit
Subaru seems to have improved a lot lately. I’m sure Toyota is 20% stake in the company and them being the source of a lot of parts for the cars might have something to do with it.
No_Community_3627@reddit
We’re not allowed to call them that anymore
Komobu542@reddit
I had a 69 Plymouth station wagon as my first teenage car. Lol Had fun with that thing. Was easy to work on if needed. Reliable. Years later, I owned a used Plymouth Horizon and a used Dodge Omni from the 80's. They weren't too bad although finicky to work on. I think that's about when their reputation started to die.
Pinelli72@reddit
You beat me! 1974 Chrysler Galant. Simple, but never let me down.
Remarkable-Host405@reddit
Yeah, reddit is not real life. Chrysler's and Mopar are just fine, and not everyone they enjoys them is stupid or uneducated
ryguy32789@reddit
I am the very sad owner of an '18 Pacifica van that has had more component failures than my last 5 cars combined.
TheOriginalTL@reddit
We have owned two different FCA products, a RAM and a Jeep made 10 years apart. Both complete and utter garbage.
LongjumpingDish2956@reddit
Stellantis requires me to pay extra money for a code to be able to clear my check engine lights now.
I can’t just do it with a $20 OBD2 reader from Amazon anymore.
ja9512@reddit
Unfortunately they are along with a handful of other manufacturers that do that. That's why this right to repair thing is so important.
Late-Button-6559@reddit
I’ve owned a few jeeps.
I have opinions…
krombopulousnathan@reddit
Same. And my opinions are very positive towards Jeep. But I off-road mine so that could be a difference
RaisinTheRedline@reddit
I agree with you 100%, half of it is just people repeating what they read online with no first hand experience. There are plenty of faults to find, dont get me wrong, but its not like they are unique in that, and Chrysler has plenty of good things that nobody seems to acknowledge.
Meanwhile, people will still parrot on about the reliability of GM V8s despite the fact that basically brand new 6.2L have been shitting the bed left and right for years and GM still cant seem to get it under control after years and years. And before it was the bottom ends going out, it was the top end of GM small blocks giving out because of AFM.
ja9512@reddit
Yes I agree. They gave us the minivan, let alone the seating you mentioned. I have always liked Chrysler, as same with Mercedes of looking a car and going we need to put a way over powered v8 in that. I worked for GM as a tech and let me say some of there stuff is down right unreliable. Transmissions grenading at 80k miles and yes the endless engine problems. Yes the hemi had valve seat and lifter issues too in all fairness.
RaisinTheRedline@reddit
This is best part about Chrysler, they are willing to do stuff that no mainstream manufacturer would ever do. My 3rd grade teacher had a manual transmission PT Crusier in black with purple fucking ghost flames. I'm sorry, but if you dont think thats fun, you probably take yourself too seriously. They greenlighted the Prowler, the Viper, the SRT10 Ram, the Hellcats, the Crossfire, SRT4 Neons, Fiat 500 Abarths, etc etc. The world would be so much more boring without Chrysler around.
I'm guessing you could probably r&r a Traverse/Acadia transmission with your eyes closed, yeah? Lol
Similar_Ad_4561@reddit
Chrysler was willing to try different colours and not just the black, white and silver.
krombopulousnathan@reddit
Yes! Man they have some excellent colors. Purple, yellow, greens and blues that aren’t just boring safe dark shades
ja9512@reddit
Lol yes to the crazy shit Chrysler did and doing a trans on a Traverse or Acadia blindfolded. They were just bad. Along with the under hood fuse block that would strip out if you just looked at them wrong
More_Pineapple3585@reddit
and sold \~1.4 million cars worldwide. it was/is an unqualified success
FirehawkLS1@reddit
I only have experience with the LS1 and LS2 GM V8 engines, but those engines are extremely reliable and I'd not hesitate to put 250k plus on one and not have major issues.
RaisinTheRedline@reddit
"LS swap everything" apparently applies even to modern GM. Im sure the owner of this 2023 Escalade would be better off with an LS1 or LS2 after their replacement L87 only lasted 30 miles 😆
https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/s/t5W1gVZyLv
FirehawkLS1@reddit
Wow that thing is wrecked! I'd be beyond pissed if I owned that Escalade.
methlabforcuties@reddit
the thing with the ZF transmissions is that while the 8 speed ones are great, the 9spd ones are largely shit and hunt gears like an addict turning over his apartment for traces of rock
RaisinTheRedline@reddit
As it happens I own a vehicle with a ZF 9HP (2018 Odyssey), and I think it gets more hate than it deserves too.
It definitely has a slightly disconcerting clunky quirk or two that happens occasionally, but at least in our experience, it happens much more rarely than the internet would have you believe, and only during specific circumstances at pretty low speeds. I maybe notice it once a month, but when people ask on r/Odyssey, people act like it is some sort of ticking time-bomb with such awful characteristics that it should be a deal breaker and everyone needs the 10 speed.
Ours only has 85k miles currently so only time will tell how it holds up long term, but I'm not convinced a 10 speed designed and built by Honda is going to be any more reliable. Honda makes fantastic sticks, but they have put out their fair of shitty automatic over the years.
Competitive-Bar-9300@reddit
They've constantly just had odd vehicles and some dependable models amidst the chaos. Chrysler minivans were everywhere for the last 30 years, and vans like those grand caravans and town and countries were cheap and dependable to keep running for most model years.
Chrysler has enough insight into Americans' tastes to keep them afloat. We can't pretend that the quality of vehicles is really what goes into a brands' reputation in a world where a Jeep Renegade or Compass sells relatively well. It doesn't seem to matter much how unreliable they are. Same could be said for about 10 years of a ton of Ford vehicles though
SkylineFTW97@reddit
Although the 5.7s with MDS will chew up their own cams. They're in the same boat as GM with cylinder deactivation, there is no good implementation of that technology. Even Honda's VCM, despite not directly causing catastrophic failures like GM and Chrysler's designs, still causes severe oil burning, plug fouling, cat clogging, and even torque converter failure.
But aside from electrical gremlins, they're not as bad as people say. Even though they can be really obtuse at times.
RaisinTheRedline@reddit
Thats pretty much exactly my point though, I'm not saying Chryslers perfect, nor am I saying they are better than anyone else, I'm saying that many manufacturers are given a lot more of a pass on their failures, while people just shit on Chrysler without mercy.
SkylineFTW97@reddit
I find Ford far more obtuse than Chrysler.
And for older models like the 2.7, the Toyota 1MZ-FE had the same problem of sludge and gets a pass. Meanwhile both are fine so long as you just don't drag out oil changes. Toyotas of the era also rot out just as much as Chryslers of the era (I say this having personally lost my old 1997 Tercel to rust). And those old Caravans are automotive cockroaches. They're all beat to shit, but they just keep going.
Hungry-Job-3198@reddit
The 2.7 from Chrysler was dramatically worse than the Toyota lmao, like night and day and not even close.
SkylineFTW97@reddit
It's not as bad as people say it is, most people are just allergic to routine maintenance. I've worked on a good few. All the owners I saw changed their oil every 5k miles or less (which 95% of people should be doing) and they had no sludging issues whatsoever. One of those owners I knew was a master tech I worked with for a while. He had a Sebring convertible with 200k. He opened up his tining cover one day to do the water pump (a water pump failing at 200k is not unreasonable, not counting that against the car). No sludge, looked beautiful in there. He said the same thing. Even in the LX cars where they're too underpowered, they will run for a long time if properly serviced.
Hungry-Job-3198@reddit
I have had countless customers with them in the past and they were horrible. Their cooling system issues were ridiculous on top of everything else. There’s a reason why nobody remans them.
RaisinTheRedline@reddit
Absolutely!
I loved my 94 Toyota Pickup, but it had the v6, so it got head gaskets at 70k miles, and 140k miles. And while my dad's 2000 Tundra made it to 210k miles, the frame rotted was Swiss cheese- just not in time to qualify for a replacement.
Right up until they get bought by a painter/drywaller for $1200 - no van can last longer than a year in the hands of those guys lol
mentha_piperita@reddit
Jeep is a strong brand in Latin America, specially Brazil. I had a Brazilian-made compass and bought it new so it was expected to always run but it was really well made. Specially the interior, it was just put together in a really good way. I had other non-luxury brands to compare it to and jeep was superior, besides the indicator stock falling off the steering column on the drive home from the dealer (true story) and the dealer being shit it was a really good car.
And then I heard horror stories about a new Hyundai Creta that spent half its life in the shop because of catastrophic failures, which I’ve been hearing a lot about Jeeps, so I guess there’s a bit of luck involved, but I believe I got a lot of car for the money.
Simp4Toyotathon@reddit
My family owns nothing but Chrysler products and have for my entire life. 4 transmissions in 2 town in countries. my own dodge avenger back when I was in high school having transmission and heater core issues at 60k miles. More issues with UConnect than I can count. Now my dad is dealing with a brand new 2500 that can’t tow anything because the trailer braking system is mega fucked. That issue is a recall item, but still a brand new HD truck should be able to tow without a trip to the dealership. I’ve moved on from Chrysler, but my family refuses to follow out of loyalty to a brand no one in my family has ever even worked for in their life.
jim_br@reddit
The one I owned made me hate the brand, the dealer network, and their executive offices.
I haven’t owned one since 1986 and would gladly own a Yugo over Chrysler.
RaisinTheRedline@reddit
I can understand swearing off a brand in principle when you've been wronged by a company on such a major purchase, but thats more akin to holding a grudge than it is being an informed consumer. 1986 was FORTY years ago. They've their on their what, 4th different corporate structure since then? Half the people that you feel wronged you back then are likely not even alive anymore lol
jim_br@reddit
The car stalled at highway speeds after a recall fix, while still under warranty!
The dealer said stalling was not an issue. I wrote to the executive team and was referred back to the dealer. A regional manager refused to intercede.
After three months of getting the runaround, an independent shop fixed the issue, documented the cause, and Chrysler refused to pay for the fix saying it was not caused by the warranty repair.
In the 2000s, a relative bought a minivan with the transmission going into limp mode frequently. Transmission was replaced and the car had the same symptoms out of warranty. They sold the car being it was their primary vehicle and was unreliable.
Then there were the rental cars over the years where each was a bigger POS than the last.
RaisinTheRedline@reddit
I get where you're coming from, I really do.
But again, you got burned 40 years ago. My buddy has been an engineer at Chrysler for 15 years now, and he wasnt even born yet when you got burned.
Then 20 years ago, your relative bought a van that had a bad trans, which by the way is common amongst literally every minivan ever made as far as I can tell. They are transverse mounted setups being often being asked to push around 3+ tons of weight, and often maintained by people who have never heard of changing transmission fluid.
And your other experience is with rental cars, which arent exactly known to set high benchmarks in literally anything, because they are, well, rental cars.
DickWhittingtonsCat@reddit
Why are you fighting for Stellantis so hard? If that happened to you, would you ever trust the brand again?
A lot of folks keep their cars 15-20 years- that forty years might be 3 personal drivers ago.
I mean I will NEVER get gas at Casey’s after they gouged people- not even me- on 9/11 for gasoline. A life threatening failure and dicked around falls in same category.
I realize their story is anecdote easily countered by a horror story from another brand- but I certainly wouldn’t try to persuade someone who went through that to let it go. That’s exactly the sort of stuff to hold on to. Fuck em’
johnb300m@reddit
No I don’t trust Stellantis. But Stellantis is only like 4yrs old. Their first ceo was infamous for cost cutting to dangerous levels. And he was our our o his ass. Now they have to rebuild. After maybe a few more years of improvement I’ll reconsider trusting Stellantis again.
I did trust old Chrysler DCX FCA.
RaisinTheRedline@reddit
I didnt wake up this morning with the intention of getting on this soapbox, but its a way to pass the time while clean up the kitchen and what not. If this isnt the point of Reddit, idk what is.
If it had happened to me, im sure I'd be skeptical of the brand and have at least some sort of chip on my shoulder. But 40 years later? I wouldn't be blanketly crossing them off my shopping list without considering the actual product/business practices now that the company has changed hands half a dozen times, and now that everyone involved in his original grievance is either retired or dead. He can do whatever he wants, for better or worse, we live in a world governed by capatilism but its not like anyone at Chrysler will notice.
Similarly, youre free to not purchase gasoline at a gas station because a few stores decided to exercise their right to charge what they wanted during a time of unprecedented uncertainty for a commodity that they owned.
Frankly I dont care where he or you spend your money, I just think holding s 40 year grudge against an international company is more likely to hurt the grudge holder than the company.
reidft@reddit
Honestly a Yugo would be kind of funny, I'd take one over a Chrysler too. Not as a daily, just something to mess around in
DeepWeekend1810@reddit
HayaYugo swap?
S9000M06@reddit
I thought the same until I my third one. I think Chrysler owners just get used to the regular issues and feel like this is just normal vehicle maintenance stuff. They assume everyone is experiencing weird electrical problems, oil leaks, plastic parts breaking at 5 years old dumping coolant on the ground, etc. It's usually cheap-ish to fix. So you just kinda deal with it and move on. Meanwhile, my 7 year old Toyota has only needed a new battery and regular oil changes in 100k+ miles.
TLDR: They're terrible and you're just used to it.
ProfessionalBread176@reddit
I've owned Chrysler vehicles in the past. They were much better quality back in the 1970s, and during the 80s the decline was tangible. Things that almost never break on other vehicles, like seats and handles, were breaking.
I think Iacocca figured out - right after Roger Smith at GM - that you could make far more profit by living off your past reputations by pretending the quality was still there...
Which is why Toyota is routinely the one selling the most vehicles in the US, along with Ford.
JayVig@reddit
This is 100% accurate
Prize_Instance_1416@reddit
I’ve had several over the last 40 years. Really the only bad one was sedan I Had like 40 years ago. My jeeps have been perfect and I’ve had 5 over the last 25 years. The worst cars I had or my wife at the time had were a Honda odyssey an Honda pilot. Both were terrible and the paint on the odyssey was laughable peeling at like 4 years. POS
Marcer0@reddit
My 2018 Chrysler Pacifica phev caught fire 1 week after buying it brand new. The dealer wanted to repair it and give it back to me. It took a lot of calls to corporate to get them to buy the car back.
Cartridge-King@reddit
imo it went downhill after the pentastar plastic oil coolers
DjImagin@reddit
Every Chrysler within my circle outside of one has been exactly what people say a Chrysler is.
They nearly go down the toilet and then come up with another great idea that floats them another 10 years before they’re back to being bankrupt.
ItchyBrain6610@reddit
Under FCA I had a 500 Abarth. Got it at 1300 miles and sold it at 56000. I had no drivetrain problems at all. It was reliable and fun. Everything else on the car was garbage. I think the factory that made it didnt have thread locker. The window motors rattled themselves loose and the windows fell into the doors and broke the motors. I had to tighten the seats down on numerous occasions. Same with exhaust parts. I also had a few interior panels just fall. The only Chrysler products I will ever consider are from the muscle car days.
Ok-Associate-5368@reddit
I returned 2 Dodge minivans in the early/mid-90s under 2 different states’ Lemon Laws. I never would have gotten the 2nd one but Tennessee offered the manufacturer to buy back the car at MSRP or give us a new one of like model and trim level. When the second one turned out to be a bigger dud than the first one, we had moved to NC (military) and under that state’s law, Chrysler had to buy the car back at MSRP.
Sample size of one but I’m a 2-time loser that will say their vehicles are absolute crap.
Luggage-of-Rincewind@reddit
I absolutely loved my 2022 Jeep wrangler. At the time I had mine, it had great resale value and was wonderful to drive in the way a rugged, go anywhere truck can be. But I’m also glad I bought an extended warranty and as much as I loved it, won’t ever be buying another.
Manual transmission issues 2x in the first thousand miles and a top end rebuild to the six cylinder engine due to oil starvation to the rear of the engine at 60k miles. Sold it at 80k miles and now have… a Toyota.
dirkgiggler224@reddit
I think in the modern era it’s not just the vehicles, they finance anyone with a pulse and cater to a portion of the market that doesn’t represent the brand well. It’s like the American made Nissan with sketchy d bag owners that drive super aggressively and neglect the vehicle’s maintenance and upkeep making most of the ones you see on the road look quite tattered. Well that or the Ram guys rolling coal and acting like clowns.
TurkishSwag@reddit
The easiest telltale for if a car is at least half decent is how many you see on the road. Old Cherokees, Liberties, Patriots? You can’t see them. But Grand Cherokees and Wranglers of all years are everywhere. People love to hate but the masses love these cars, and clearly they don’t cost too much for them to continue owning them. I have a lot of customers with these cars and the Pentastar is genuinely not that bad of an engine, do your maintenance on time and they last for a long while.
720hp@reddit
My dad was a good mechanic and he made me promise to never owned a Chrysler, dodge, or similar product. He said that since the 60’s their engine and transmission build quality had gone straight downhill.
dinanm3atl@reddit
I dunno. In the span of a couple weeks they recalled every Jeep PHEV... AND then said oops sorry might have sand in your engine block as well. The internet meme is based in reality. People used to love things like TJ Wranglers and they were super reliable. Easy to work on. They made many other decent cars. Everything new seems to be junk because a board room made engineering choices guided by CPAs who want the stock to go up.
ja9512@reddit
Yes I'll agree the newest stuff is probably going to be junk. No one looks at Chrysler and thinks I'll buy any form or hybrid from them. They were the last of the breed building ridiculous V8 powered cars. Then they switched overnight to electric and hybrid. That is not what we wanted nor asked for.
ILoveEnverHoxha@reddit (OP)
Yeah I agree with this statement in general for American cars, but the reason I brought it up was because I did have experiences with their vehicles and was very underwhelmed with not just the reliability but the overall experience, for example, for two trips I had the chance to rent out a car, one was a Wrangler the other was a Bronco, similar trim levels, similar age & miles, the Bronco experience in general was a lot more comfortable, enjoyable, and just felt better overall.
ja9512@reddit
Yeah I agree the Wranglers drive like garbage. But I've never been a fan of how any vehicle with that steering and suspension set up drive. Japanese are definitely the most reliable brands, well some of them. But every manufacturer has it's problems. As far as the Stellantins era. No they suck. They got rid of the only 2 good selling cars they had for an electric car no one asked for.
JT653@reddit
Nonsense. That was true 20 years ago but not now. Toyota has a major design flaw issue on their Gen 3 full sized truck engines and has recalled around 200k trucks to replace them while still not having fixed the issue.
Meanwhile the new Hurricane engine put out by Stellantis is holding up great, no major problems and has great stats. The Ram 1500 with the hurricane and ZF transmission combined with best in class interior and ride quality is the best truck on the market currently and it’s not particularly close.
The bottom line is that there are no bullet proof car makers anymore. They all have some quality issues but really your chances are about the same to get a lemon from any of them and most people don’t get lemons and have a fine experience, whether it’s Chrysler, Toyota, GM or Ford.
ja9512@reddit
Yeah and that's exactly what I'm saying. We aren't disagreing. Chrysler just gets it name dragged through the mud for whatever reason. Yet they all build turds at one point or another.
gstringstrangler@reddit
The more off-road oriented vehicle was less comfortable and enjoyable on the toad
Yes. That will be the case every time.
You sound like James May picking a full blown race car for a summer road trip😂
OGDREADLORD666@reddit
The bronco's comfortable because ford knew exactly who they were selling to. Target audience has got a fresh patagonia half-zip with the gut nearly touching the steering wheel, starbucks latte stains around the cup holder from hitting the curb, a yoga instructor instructor turning his wife into a human pretzel during her private lessons thats he wishes he could watch, and a deep need to feel rugged without the inconvenience of anything actually being rugged.
DeepWeekend1810@reddit
Everything ok at home, bud?
Hot_Sprinkles_650@reddit
for the longest time, on the backside of the drivers visor jeeps had a written disclaimer bot to drive it like a street car or youd wreck.
the majority of SUV's are for people who want to feel like they're rugged, but are unwilling to compromise their comfort. jeeps didnt do that.
NoPersimmon7434@reddit
The Bronco has IFS, while the Wrangler has a solid axle. The Wrangler sacrifices road-handling characteristics in order to be the better off-road platform. It’s a deliberate choice by Jeep to prioritize capability over comfort.
WhichAd366@reddit
Every modern car will drive better than a wrangler. They’re made for off roading not highway cruising (yes, even the new ones).
IowaNative1@reddit
Today’s RAM products are apparently pretty reliable.
The old dodge darts lasted forever and were easy to work on. The had fun muscle cars as well.
MenuPsychological853@reddit
I have owned two and both have fallen apart in every way except the engines and transmission.
PowerfulFunny5@reddit
And it’s not like all Chrysler products are terrible. They are wildly inconsistent. I’ve seen enough reports to recognize that there’s a bigger chance a Chrysler will be a drama queen, but they aren’t all like that.
I’ve had decent luck with several. I know a relative with 300k+ on his Pentastar powered work minivan that hasn’t had any big issues.
jasonreid1976@reddit
I've owned one. 89 Plymouth Horizon.
It ran good, up until it didn't. Had to have the throttle body rebuilt and it didn't even have 150K on it.
And this thing was bare bones from the factory.
Radio? AM/FM Stereo. No AC. The only power options were steering and brakes.
And it was made out of rust held together by strips of metal.
I bought it while living in Illinois. Imagine moving to GA with a car that didn't have AC... And to be fair, I'm at fault for that.
brn1001@reddit
Modern internet culture either loves or hates. In between is frowned upon.
ValBGood@reddit
It started long before the Internet
drworm555@reddit
They’ve been garbage since at least the 80s when k-cars were leaving the assembly line with things taped on as part of their quality control. They almost single handedly destroyed americas auto industry with their horrible build quality
Boomhauer440@reddit
It’s in their DNA. In the early 1900s, Ford wanted to reinvest a big profit surplus into the company to lower consumer cost and improve wages. He was sued by shareholders John and Horace Dodge who argued that a company’s primary responsibility is to maximize shareholder profits, not to improve value to customers. The court sided with the Dodges and set the precedent that short term gain for shareholders is the primary goal in a company. The Dodge brothers then used the money Ford was forced to pay them to create their rival car company.
reidft@reddit
Man the more things change the more they stay the same
theBRNK@reddit
I've owned two Dodge/Chrysler vehicles, both of them because I didn't have much of a choice otherwise, and both of them had constant electrical and small mechanical issues.
The parts generally speaking also seemed to be lower quality, like I drove a Ford transit connect (the small van) for work for several years, got it well over a hundred thousand miles and it had a little slop in the front end but not enough I was gonna replace ball joints etc. I'm currently in a ram pro master city and it's barely cracked 80k and the ball joints are so worn out I scared myself braking a few days ago and am now waiting on parts to arrive to rebuild the front suspension. I had literally not a single electrical problem ever out of the transit, and the ram burns out headlights much faster than it should and at one point melted the headlight harness on the driver's side.
On the other hand, I've been through a Subaru Crosstrek, a Honda CRX, a Chevy 1500, an older isuzu pickup, and a Chevy Sonic and all of them were trouble free up till the 100k services and only required normal wearable part replacements after that. I've also been around older Dodge HD pickups, and while the drivetrain is bulletproof (and not made by dodge), the body and interior are hands down the crappiest of all the major truck brands and rattle so....so badly once you start stacking miles on them.
All that to say...... I realize that my sample size is small, but the only vehicles I've ever had problems with were dodge/Chrysler badged, and if I can help it I'll never own one again. And I'm comparing them to a daewoo Chevy so like..... Yeah.
lithiopain@reddit
My father had a PT Cruiser, I've done my time and they earned my hate
Anon_Tax_1738@reddit
Least reliable cars list came out today. Atalanta’s owns half the spots.
You shouldn’t get downvoted but you’re wrong
MAXIMUS-BLACK@reddit
Link?
reidft@reddit
My first and last stellantis product was a 98.5 ram diesel. I only had that thing for about a month before selling it, it was atrocious. I knew dodge was bad going in but I didn't expect it to be that bad.
LivingGhost371@reddit
I owned a WJ that needed and engine rebuilt twice and the transmission once before it even hit 200,000 miles and needed $1000 of this or that every other oil change. So I have agency to trash on them.
NixChris96@reddit
Chrysler and Jeep products specifically have been hot garbage for all of my adult life since the 1990’s. They are disposable cars
Motor-Letter-635@reddit
Sorry bud, they’ve been bottom five for reliability for at least the last twenty years. Yes, people have made a joke of the brand but those jokes are based on a well earned reputation for shit products. I’ve got off-roading friends who swear by the Jeep brand but most of them have 20 k of aftermarket mods.
deezbiksurnutz@reddit
Makes sense, I had stuff from 80s to 2000 and they seemed great. No honda but good enough.
72vintage@reddit
There was a time in the late 90s/early 2000s when my parents and all my siblings had Chrysler vehicles. None of us has had Chrysler since, and there's a good reason for that. I had a Ram that wasn't bad mechanically other than the steering got really loose with less than 100k on the truck. But the entire interior just fell apart. The door trim fell off. The latch for the console broke off. The cruise button quit working. The stereo only worked half the time. The rear view mirror fell the fuck off the windshield...it was 6 years old and had 102,000 miles when I ditched it. There's no excuse for that low a level of build quality. All my siblings had their minivans at one time or another, and those were all low rent piles of shit too. Chrysler build quality is a joke. They value image and style over substance and quality...
GetBAK1@reddit
Not since about 1970., and even then they were subpar.
There's a reason Mopar was always the smallest of the big-3, because their QC has always been garbage
Inevitable-Store-837@reddit
I have owned multiple Chrysler vehicles including jeeps. Most were purchased for pennies on the dollar with transmission problems the most common issue. I would rebuild or swap the trans and go rally them.
They are pretty junky imo. Interiors don't hold up at all. I dont think they have ever produced a reliable transmission. Depreciate like a meteorite (I never had to worry about that since I bought at the bottom). I would NEVER buy one new or one that hasn't hit its depreciation floor. I do not understand people who buy newer ones at all. Horrible financial decision and that's coming from someone who daily drives Audi.
Fwarts@reddit
I had a Chrysler 300 that was a dream to drive and cost a fortune on gas. Good thing it was cheap back then!!! There was enough room in the trunk for a small family.
Regular_Age1007@reddit
Was that 318 they put in the early 90’s Rams any good?
Joey8up1@reddit
Most of the best cars I've ever had have been Chrysler products.. I still have my first car. A '67 Plymouth Belvedere II convertible that I got at 17 and still own at 59. I've had numerous mini vans(4) over the years that I never got less than 250k miles out of. Intrepids,Shadows, Horizons and A Duster hauled my kids around for years. I grew up with DeSotos,Plymouth, Dodges and Chryslers, I've never, ever had a bad one. Soooo yes
RuthlessIndecision@reddit
I had a dodge caliber, worst car I've ever owned
Fit-Rip-4550@reddit
In the past, they were better. Chrysler were genuine innovators. The Turbine, though it never went further than concept production, was brilliant in that it could burn virtually any combustible fuel.
AutomaticBearBait@reddit
My 1st car was a 1974 Plymouth satellite. It wasn't a pleasure trip. But that was just Chrysler being Chrysler, I mean shitty.
When investment groups, or private equity shows up, run the other way, because enshittification is on your doorstep.
Ok-Basket-2692@reddit
Idk both my Chrysler products have been amazing some of the most reliable cars ive owned all my GMs had way more issues
mud1@reddit
Chrysler corporation products or Chrysler badged vehicles? MOPAR ruled the road back in the day. I had good luck with them. I couldn't kill the Coronet, the Valiant, the Reliant or the pickup. They rusted away from road salt long before the motors gave up.
But that was back when the earth was still cooling and power steering was an option rather than standard equipment.
In more modern times our minivan went toes up for lack of a clock spring replacement.
Overall_Meat_6500@reddit
They were well made until the mid-70s. When all the emissions crap started coming out, that was the beginning of the end. Their Torque Flight transmission was tough as nails, and they built some great engines.
Melodic-Picture48@reddit
No perfect cars out there, they all have their quirks and issues. Even Toyotas.
BeaverMartin@reddit
I’m a former Chrysler tech back in the late 90s. The products from the 70s and 80s were competitive with domestic competitors. The LA small blocks were very reliable as were the slant 6s. When they’re good, they’re really good, when they’re bad, they’re really bad like the 4.7 v8.
outline8668@reddit
That was my experience as well. They were competitive with Ford and GM all the way through the 90s. After the Mercedes buyout and a leather, rinse, repeat cycle of being bought and sold by other companies, private equity they fell behind.
Interesting-Garden41@reddit
Chrysler bought its body supplier, Briggs in 1953 and integrated it into their operations poorly. The '57 cars were a QC and corrosion disaster, a marked change from the previous reputation as dowdy, well engineered, and slightly more expensive that the competition. The company has never had quite the cash flow to get it right ever since. The closest they got was the mid 90s, but Bob Eaton didn't have enough millions already, did the disastrous Daimler deal, and the company has been mostly dead, just slowly coming to room temperature, ever since.
SwiftyJohn@reddit
I've had three experiences that have put Chrysler products on my list of cars I will never even consider buying.
The first was a 1984 Dodge Omni that was the first brand new car I ever bought. It started having problems within the first six months, and the problems never stopped. It was always something. I got rid of it just before the warranty went out because I didn't want to be the one to pay for all those repairs.
Then in 1996, against my better judgement, I made the mistake of buying a Dodge Ram 1500. That was an absolutely terrible truck. I haven't owned a Chrysler product since.
And lastly, in 2001 I got a job as an operations manager. One of my responsibilities was managing a fleet of about 50 cargo vans. There were about 20 Fords, about 20 Chevys, and about 10 Dodges. The Fords and Chevys were all bought at the same time and were a little over 4 years old at the time. The Dodges were purchased the previous year and were right at one year old. I can say with no hesitation at all that the Dodges were the least reliable. Even though they were newer and with less miles. It got to the point whenever I got a report of a van breaking down I just KNEW before even looking that it was one of the Dodges.
And it wasn't just reliability issues either. I think we replaced the driver's door hinge on every one of them. The paint would start oxidizing much sooner than it should have. Eventually the Dodges started looking older the the Fords or Chevys. Air conditioners would go out on a regular basis. Transmissions were repaired or replaced all the time. I'm not saying that the Fords and Chevys were perfect, because they weren't. I am saying that my life would have been so much easier without those 10 Dodges.
To be fair, my last 2 GM purchases have also put GM on that list of cars I will never even consider. A 2014 Chevy Equinox and a 2017 GMC Acadia. Both of those were complete trash
MountainMan300@reddit
They’ve had a few great cars, but the majority of their lineup is historically kind of shitty. But man, when they get it right, they REALLY get it right.
I’m not going to just talk about their cars, but their engines too.
They made some fast cars in the 50’s (by 50’s standards) and continued that in the 60’s. I would argue that the 426 Hemi was the best performance motor of its time, even if it is a heavy behemoth.
On the other end of the spectrum, the Slant 6 is legendarily reliable. It and the 300 inline 6 from Ford are probably the most bulletproof American made engines of all time.
They hit it out of the park with the Dodge Caravan. The minivan concept would’ve been executed by somebody else eventually, but Chrysler truly pioneered it and set the standard. Even today, the minivans are pretty good.
The 1989 Dodge 250 and 350 trucks are the first pickups to truly show what a diesel engine is capable of. In fact, I would argue that their partnership with Cummins saved Ram trucks.
The Viper is an insanely cool supercar.
And lastly, bringing back the Challenger and keeping its retro styling was a genius decision.
So basically, they’ve built a few cars that are as good as or better than everyone else, and everything else they build is garbage.
mrkprsn@reddit
Their torque flight transmissions were great
KnownSoldier04@reddit
Interesting, that’d be the only thing I’d complain about from my old ‘93 spirit. With the 2.5L MPFI, not the V6 either.
However, it was my first car, so can’t really say it was treated the best…
Competitive-Bar-9300@reddit
It just seems like they're increasingly aware of the fact that no matter how bad the Jeeps get, people are buying them. I know like 10 people at my mid-sized workplace that drive Compasses or Renegades, and they are just the worst fucking vehicles. They've always been bad, but the sales aren't stopping somehow. Maybe that will let them subsidize some other fun shit from their other brands.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Well put, well "everything else they build is garbage" is a stretch. Most of the "garbage" is the stuff they didn't build but still sold.
OberonsGhost@reddit
It depends on how far back you go. I personally won't own anything newer than 1985. I have had an old Dodge Power Wagon and a 1966 Chrysler New Yorker and both were great cars. Couldn't afford to keep putting gas in them but they were totally reliable.
Dismal_Estate9829@reddit
I’ve been a mechanic for over 30 years and I keep vehicles for a long time, I would not consider a dodge ever from any vintage. Old mopars are ok but no. I own a 2008 wrangler which technically is a dodge and I stripped the entire truck down, rewired the entire jeep and put a Chevy drivetrain and ford axles in it. It’s reliable now.
New-Cry-5427@reddit
Chrysler made great cars, were they flashy? Nope. My dad's K-car survived weekly trips from Baltimore to Nashua NH for months till we moved. It made it through several kids too. Dad finally sold it to get a town car. Their minivans were awesome. The slant six was pretty much bulletproof. The LA series of small blocks soldier on for years. Heck, my 92 Cherokee has the 4.0 straight six. 230k + miles and it does not matter how long it sits. It starts every time. I think Chrysler became synonymous with appliances and their cars got treated that way. Treat a car like a crappy car and it will become a crappy car.
Billz3bub666@reddit
pre 1979 maybe
grimj88@reddit
I have a 300s 2010 3.5l I have 412,000 on it original motor original transmission
IAmTheBoiledFrog@reddit
Some decent parts but a whole car????
Street_Gap_3429@reddit
Older models were tanks, I personally think the old 5.2L v8 was extremely reliable.
travielane42069@reddit
Theyre not as bad as the think tank would have you believe, but they're not amazing. They used to be pretty damn solid though, and my '07 Dakota 4.7 is pretty damn solid
Much-Resolution-5476@reddit
I had a 2000 Jeep Cherokee sport 4x4 owned for 18 years. One of the toughest most dependable cars I have owned, and it was technically a Chrysler product. In fact when I sold it, the new owner did a mild refurbish on it and it’s still on the road.
Mediocre_Adagio_7360@reddit
I have had a Jeep cherokee and 2 grand cherokees. The only trouble I ever had was the electric windows on the Grands. All of them were owned for a minimum of 5 years each. I am actually looking at getting another one. I think it is all in how you maintain them.
CitizenT777@reddit
I have a 2014 Grand Caravan that has had very few issues, despite having over 200k miles on it. The worst repair I had to do was the common oil filter housing leak. It needs new suspension parts now, but the drivetrain has been solid and reliable. With that being said, I'd be leery about the new vehicles from them. Give any new engine/transmission combo a couple years on the market to see what people experience with them.
ae86owner@reddit
To quote my friend "I would rather run down the street holding a chrysler hubcap than drive anything else." Thats supposed to be funny but having never owned one i took his advice and bought a 2012 Ram 1500 great truck and I learned that not all cars leak or use oil that hemi and every other hemi I owned (2006 chrysler 300, 2022 Ram 2500, 2023 Charger R/T plus scat pack last call bought new) have yet to use or loose a drop of oil or coolant for that matter. We also own a 2024 wagoneer L with the hurricane and it is spectacular. The wagoneer is the most refined best driving suv I've ever driven and if I had to go down to one car it would be that. It is 100 times better than the rental suburban I put 2k miles on which was quite new when I drove it in 2024 and I can't speak to ford having only worked on broken ones that should not have issues at all and only driving an escape that was practically new and the steering wheel was falling apart in my hands while the headliner was falling down. Chrysler engineers actually drive a car unlike the other ones in the industry that make things impossible to either work on or use. Probably the worst electrical on any manufacturer is anything GM run don't walk away from anything GM and as far as Toyota goes its reliable like anything else if you take care of it! I take care of my chrysler products and they serve me well at a price point that's better "bang for your buck" than any other brand hands down! With better tech and more features new than a used Toyota has. Of course they have AFM type lifter failures in the hemis just like gm and yes if you dont change your oil your pentastar will break... big surprise there? TLDR: Best value for tech, features and comfort. Best ergonomics of any big 3 hands down and probably all others! Easiest to work on yourself! Reliable as you make it (as anything else would be) and the people that say "chrysler's R junk!" are gaslighting themselves because they made a mistake! Don't buy old chryslers or anything old and do your research no matter what you buy!
SufficientWall_@reddit
Still have a couple jeeps with from 90s. They run good
Roboticpoultry@reddit
1955-1957 was a good run
Lexi-Brownie@reddit
No.
Federal-Membership-1@reddit
My pop drove a fleet Aries, I think, in the early 90s? I think it had a Mitsubishi motor. He beat it like a rented mule.
Federal-Membership-1@reddit
The LeBaron, for one. Fine Corinthian leather.
RecommendationUsed31@reddit
Id own a 300
CMG30@reddit
Yup.
I mean you can't generalize EVERY product Chrysler ever put out, but overall, quality and robustness of design was an ongoing issue at Chrysler.
Part of it was that the big Detroit 3 in ge didn't bother much in that regard until they faced real competition out of Japan.
But another part of it was that Chrysler was smallish and they simply didn't have the resources to play with the bigger boys. Instead they did what companies that are on the outside looking in frequently do, which is a whole bunch of unique/semi experimental touches to attract buyers. Not to say that the other guys were sitting still, they certainly did stuff too, but Chrysler just seemed to be a little bit more willing to be wacky sometimes.
Maybe their motto was: 'If you can't be good, at least be interesting...'
Anyway, at least in their heyday. Towards the end they just made bland crapboxes.
semperlegit@reddit
The was a time when their products were on par with Ford and General Motors, but that time was the 1970s.
EbagI@reddit
The vans were great in the 90s
Poet_Pretty@reddit
They weren’t great. The transmission would go out at 90-100k. We had four of them growing up. They were smooth and comfy though.
Motor-Letter-635@reddit
Eighty thousand mile automatic transmissions.
Hersbird@reddit
Honda odyssey transmissions were way worse once they went to the same size van as the Grand Caravan and put a V6 in it. The Honda also couldn't keep an AC system working in them and when the compressor did crap, it destroyed the entire system.
MCRN10379558@reddit
Honda generally takes care of their customers. Not everyone but many many longtime loyal Honda buyers were getting free transmission fixes/reimbursements well outside of warranty.
Hersbird@reddit
Well their warranty was shit as well. 36,000 miles when Chrysler had 70,000 miles.
MCRN10379558@reddit
What was always interesting about their 5AT is that it’s the exact same transmission used in their four-cylinder and V6 cars. Absolutely no difference in transmission yet all the problems are on the V6 engine side. The ones in the four-cylinder are virtually bulletproof. They never seem to have trouble.
That said they do seem to build a decent CVT, probably second only to Toyota in reliability.
And of course their hybrids have no transmissions at all so those are the ones to get if I were recommending.
Eckleburgseyes@reddit
If that.
PercentageNo3293@reddit
That was my first vehicle! A 1994 Chrysler GRAND Voyager. So fancy.
jabroni4545@reddit
The 90s were a great time for chrysler.
mundotaku@reddit
Mainly because their power trains were mostly from Mitsubishi.
brnrmbo@reddit
AMC made reliable cars? Have you not owned one?
AMC made cool things, but one of the reasons they went under is that no one wanted to buy their cars. Partly because of how unreliable they were.
AMC made a few great inline 6s (none of which made thier way into Chrysler cars) and fun v8s. But the rest of the drivetrain they sourced from other manufacters. Transmissions were usually Chrysler and axles is off the shelf dana.
The first gen dodge caravan used a mix of Chrysler K engines and Mitsubishi engines. The Mitsubishi engines were pretty good but they were dropped when Chrysler made their in house v6. The transmissions were all Chrysler.
No-Bluejay3114@reddit
I thought the AMC 4.2L I6 transitioned from AMC to Chrysler, becoming the 4.0?
brnrmbo@reddit
Negative. They are different blocks, they do share the same bellhousing pattern and mount locations but the rotating assembly is not interchangeable between the two.
No-Bluejay3114@reddit
Well I learned something today.
Piginthecity93@reddit
You were correct in your first comment - the 4.0 was an updated version of the 4.2. Parts are interchangeable, which is the approach many people take to make a "stroker" with larger displacement.
To say that the 4.2 and 4.0 aren't closely related is totally incorrect, and the 4.0 is universally considered to be an AMC engine.
In fact, early "Renix" 4.0s were almost totally AMC/Renault. Later "High Output" ones were updated by Chrysler.
ACorruptMinuteman@reddit
One of the inline 6 4.0L made it into the Cherokee when Chrysler owned it and is known as being an insanely reliable engine. Most Cherokees when taken care can last til like 300k miles.
That car is a peculiar case, but to say nothing made to Chrysler cars is technically inaccurate.
metrawhat@reddit
And that in house designed Chrysler 3.3/3.8 V6 was quite reliable. I'd say more so than the smokey 3.0 Mitsubishi
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
What, they never put Mitsubishi drivetrains in a van. And AMC NEVER fully developed their own drivetrain, they made two models of engine, and one model of rear axle, that's it, everything else they bought from other suppliers.
mundotaku@reddit
They literally used the 6g72 engine in most 90's minivans.
04limited@reddit
The DSM era Mopars
The current Mitsubishi Outlander Sport still rides on a shared chassis with the old Dodge Caliber.
SheffboiRD06@reddit
The Mitsubishi GS platform also last gen Lancer. So, that’s somethin’.
DMCinDet@reddit
must be a piece of shit. Looks modern?
wpmason@reddit
I wish we had an AMC equivalent nowadays… even if they built crappy cars, they’d at least be engineering some incredible stuff.
Ok-Highlight-3402@reddit
Nobody remembers the LH cars today. But the early 24v the pre-97 ones were pretty hot compared to the average Taurus or W-car.
Eckleburgseyes@reddit
I did my first J Turn in a caravan. Fucking great band.
Admittedly they had problematic transmissions.
BoondockUSA@reddit
I’d vote that the Caravans were good all the way until the end. Sure, some had TIPM failures, and there’s an occasional 3.6 lifter failure, but that’s about the worst of it for Caravans if they’re maintained (including the transmission fluid). Bonus points if it’s not a loaded version with power doors and such.
Competitive-Bar-9300@reddit
The Caravans are great vehicles, they just crumble away into dust in no time in any kind of harsh climate. I don't see many other vehicles from the 00s that rusted as fast as those minivans. Still made a ton of miles and were fairly stout, you can fit most shit inside of one.
phoenix823@reddit
My parents had one in Southern Delaware and the salt air ate the paint away in 6 or 7 years. That never happened to their Honda, Toyota, or Volvo lol
Canelosaurio@reddit
Now the Japanese love them more and set them on Watanabes and race them and they call it Dajiban! Which is just a Japanes phonetic of Dodge Van.
julcheram@reddit
Just had to look this up and looks like I’ll be diving into a deep Dajiban rabbit hole this evening
SteadySurvivalMode@reddit
I’ve been down that rabbit hole, and the subsequent marketplace search for a short body dodge van!
Canelosaurio@reddit
If you know a guy that imports JDM cars tell him to send back some old Doge Van's. The best are short wheel base with the 318 V8, but pretty much any 318 V8 or 360 V8 van is good.
Just another kind of forbidden fruit.
megasmash@reddit
One of my first jobs was working at a garden supply centre, and the "runaround/bird seed delivery car" was a '93ish minivan with the 3L and a 3spd automatic. It lived a hard life, being driven by mostly 17-19 year olds, in a gravel and dirt lot. Neutral drops and driving through mud puddles were part of its regular diet. I think it swallowed up a skid of sod too (broken and hand packed).
I worked there for 5 years, and I do not remember that van ever leaving someone stranded.
Biobizlab@reddit
Same with the early two thousands.Our company has one and the staff drive it all the time still runs like a chimp
123revival@reddit
not mine lol. I don't think I ever made it to my destination without a breakdown. The cargo layout was great though
Bigcouchpotato1@reddit
The Dodge's and Plymouths of the 1960's were good.
talltim007@reddit
My Pacifica is fantastic.
PDXEng@reddit
I'm mean I'm 50 and the son and nephew of mechanics...so heres my take.
They consistently provided a budget option in most categories, often leaning of price or style to get buys.
They have never been reliable, but parts have always been pretty cheap...but the replacement part was also cheaply made so...
They are exactly what they have always been designed to be a budget option they relying on looks/style more than reliability or durability.
Kayanarka@reddit
4.0L inline 6
WontSwerve@reddit
I've owned 2 Chargers and a 300. All with the 3.6L engine.
All three have been trouble free and I'd probably still own my first Charger if I didn't get TBoned by somebody who didn't yield to me in a roundabout.
Almost every car maker makes some reliable stuff mixed in with unreliable stuff.
johnb300m@reddit
We’ve been a Mopar family since I’m was born when my dad got our ‘83 New Yorker M. Every single Chrysler product we had, including myself, made it between 12-20yrs. With minimal repairs needed. They’re not trouble free, but they rarely broke down and repairs were mostly affordable. Common issues include new tie rods around 50-70k miles. New steering racks around 100-120k.
Agree with another commenter, not the Best, but not at all the worst either. The hatred toward them is an internet meme.
They’ve had their design issues like all brands over the decades. From the 4spd transmissions, to head gaskets. But the company always fixed that stuff eventually.
Jayfore@reddit
They've definitely sucked since at least the 80s
jockotaco14@reddit
I've owned mostly Chrysler vehicles my entire life as my dad worked there for 43 years, and I did it out of respect for him. Honestly, they're fine. I've now owned a Honda and a Toyota as I couldn't wait to get a more reliable car, and guess what...they all have the same bad quality issues. It's just a meme at this point. Accept the Jeep Wagoneer, that thing is a pile of crap.
hunterd412@reddit
Viper, Hellcats, Demon, Srt, Dodge/ram cummins, various cool generations of jeeps. Yeah CDJR is cool. They just struggled with reliability in some years that’s all.
boxersunset121423@reddit
My parents had a 1990 Plymouth Acclaim. My dad still talks about it to this day how it was his favorite car and we had it for 12 years! I still remember they bought it used for Avis back in the day.
Normal-Guy196@reddit
In my experience and people I have known who had Chrysler products is you have a good one or a bad one. Either it’s in the shop a lot or rarely. It’s one way or the other there is no in between.
RuleShot2259@reddit
Saw a lot of PT Losers on the road for a long time.
Lee_Bv@reddit
Ever? In the late 1960s I drove a 1963 Plymouth Valiant (same as a Dodge Dart) for work every day all day. Three on the tree, no power brakes or steering, no A/C, no radio, no power anything. It was a slant six engine that ran and ran and ran and I put a LOT of miles on it. Never broke down. I remember one flat tire. Got 20+ mpg on regular. That was a good car.
Rastus77@reddit
First and last Dodge, 1972 Dodge Dart. Burnt a starter once a month, nobody could figure out why. Got real good at changing them.
Melodic-Classic391@reddit
They suck, and they have sucked for a long time. In my opinion their peak was the K cars and original minivan era.
komatiite@reddit
Up through about 1970 they were well-regarded cars. I had a 69 Newport that was a tank and went 150,000 miles before I sold it. By 1974 they were unreliable rust buckets.
Usual_Entry_6921@reddit
I can't make any statement of comparison between any of these nsa affiliates
That said chris's car seemed nice, but never drove it
Vulckan82@reddit
In my opinion, the AMC 4.0 is one of the greatest engines ever made. Pair that up to an nsg370 and a downgear, feels like driving a cummins.
b_o_m@reddit
I was a massive fan of Dodge/Plymouth/Chrysler cars until owning a 2006 Dodge Magnum. I've never experienced a love/hate relationship at such a level as with that car. It was great looking, drove like a dream and broke down so often (and massively) that I essentially paid for it twice. 60k mile warranty, engine lost a bearing at 62k. Spent $7k on a new motor, and that was just the start of the disasters.
I still think Dodge makes some of the best looking cars on the road, but I will never buy one again.
bigworm35@reddit
I could be wrong but i think in 05 Chrysler was owned by Daimler, which is basically Mercedes-Benz but other than a few models (Chrysler Crossfire) that were based on Mercedes cars, their quality only improved slightly. The Jeeps were mostly unaffected by that merger/ownership. My parents have an 03 Grand Cherokee that's rusting out and falling apart but the 4.0 engine still chugs along.
Seaworthypear@reddit
Crossfires were part for part identical to a slk 320 fyi
Seaworthypear@reddit
All the srt cars were great
The vans have always been good. The 300 was good
The Internet just likes to complain
charlotteduffer@reddit
My wife has always like Grand Cherokee and we owned several back in the 90’s and 00’s. The quality was pathetic. Transmission issues, brakes that needed rotors replaced after 15K miles, rattles, etc. And here in Charlotte, the closest Jeep dealer is a complete joke. Never buying another Jeep or Dodge product again.
Majsharan@reddit
Yes. Jeeps with the 4.0. The v6 in the grand caravan and town and country. At the end of their run the 2006-23 charger was very reliable. The 300 was slightly less reliable but that’s par for the course as you go to kite luxury. The Durango seems pretty reliable now. For right now I think you could argue the ram is the most reliable full size truck currently on sale new
edoggy792@reddit
2004 grand cherokee with almost 500k. The 4.0 has been a fantastic engine. Love my jeep!
Throhiowaway@reddit
So a few notes.
Chrysler has been in dire financial circumstances since the early '80s. Prior to that point, their long-term reliability was generally on par with GM and Ford, but they didn't adapt to small engines in the oil crisis as well as their competitors.
The biggest issues started in 1989, when they launched the Ultradrive transmission.
When people get stuck on Chrysler reliability, they're usually talking about the transmissions. Tis is why.
From 1989 to 2015, the Ultradrive had an in-warrranty transmission failure rate of 13%. More than one in eight automatic transmissions Chrysler made would fail within 36,000 miles of ownership. And while other manufacturers reacted to companies like GM and Ford extending their warranties to 5 years to better compete with the reliability expectations from Honda and Toyota, Chrysler kept the 3-year 36,000 warranty, and added a deductible to warranty repairs.
The failure rate of transmissions is usually measured from a marker like 150,000 miles. Nissan's CVTs at this point have a failure rate nearing 40%. Toyota's hybrid synergy drive (eCVT) sits at about 0.05% at 150,000. The ZF eight- and nine-speeds being packaged by Honda and GM and several other manufacturers are sitting at about 8%. The Ultradrive failure rate at 150,000 miles was a hair over 90% until a revamp in about 2008 (yes, 19 years), where it dropped to only about 50%.
And despite this, despite having to change the warranty and offering a buyback program starting in 2015, Chrysler still packaged it in vehicles through 2020. They don't have the money to invest in developing a different transmission (similar to why Nissan still has the bad CVTs).
Now, not every Chrysler had this transmission. Jeep was given a lot of autonomy to buy drivetrain components from other manufacturers for the Wrangler, and Ram trucks were often packaged with Allison transmissions and Cummins engines. But when 90% of the lineup had a known time bomb for 30 years...
The reputation didn't come from nowhere.
Economy-Shower-5072@reddit
I think the bulletproof Jeep was the 4.0.
Ike_the_Spike@reddit
Dodge Darts with the slant 6 were freaking tanks.
ToughOk9044@reddit
My Mom had a 99 Chrysler LHS....it was classy, fast, and extremely reliable....she swears she would still have it if it hadn't been totaled by a sliding ambulance
ThorPendragon@reddit
My family had a 1995 dodge dynasty that we loved.
Scpdivy@reddit
I’m still driving a 06’ Durango, and my kid drives an 11’ Grand Caravan. Mid 100k miles. My Durango is a rust bucket but extremely reliable.
FearlessTomatillo911@reddit
The bulletproof wrangler had the inline 6.
Like all car brands it comes down to the specifics of the models and drive trains. They arent Toyota or Honda reliable but those engines run forever
Stackson212@reddit
As an AMC fanboy, I'd like to say that the awesomeness of the 4.0 inline 6 had very little to do with Chrysler. This was a long-lived AMC engine that was established as one of the best, most durable engines around before it was folded into the Chrysler family.
Brilliant_Account_31@reddit
It was a Nash Motors engine that AMC continued to build after they merged with Hudson.
Stackson212@reddit
Well, sure. It was a Nash engine, became an AMC engine when Nash and Hudson merged to form AMC, and eventually the inline six (and the cars and Jeeps powered by it) became Chrysler property when Chrysler acquired AMC.
The point is that Chrysler didn't really have anything to do with this engine being awesome. AMC (and the companies that formed it) did. Chrysler bought it after it was already awesome.
Brilliant_Account_31@reddit
Then the same thing applies to Chrysler. They improved the fuel injection, strengthened the block, added better balancing, etc. The HOs were the best version of the straight 6.
Stackson212@reddit
What do you mean by "the same thing applies to Chrysler?"
If you're trying to say that AMC has no more claim to the 4.0 inline 6 than Chrysler does, because it was a Nash engine, then I think you're dead wrong.
Yes, it was a Nash engine. Nash merged with Hudson to form AMC. AMC is what Nash became. If it helps you visualize this, you can substitute "Nash/Hudson" for the name AMC. Nash, either solo or after its merger with Hudson into AMC (or Nash/Hudson) created and developed that engine from 1941 until 1987.
Chrysler than bought AMC in 1987. That's a very different thing. They bought a valuable asset.
Wise-Comb8596@reddit
Yes, it became an AMC engine. AMC was acquired by Chrysler to become part of Chrysler. Chrysler is what AMC became.
This goes both ways.
Brilliant_Account_31@reddit
Mergers and acquisitions are an irrelevant technical detail. Chrysler continued making the engine for a long time while making considerable improvements. Chrysler sold vastly more of the blocks they produced than any previous owners. I don't need you to dumb it down for me, I need you to up your game.
Stackson212@reddit
There’s no need to be insulting.
The original question was whether Chrysler products were ever good. This thread brought up the Wrangler’s inline six as an example of something Chrysler did right. My point is that Chrysler should get only tangential credit at best for that, because they bought that engine after it was already great.
You countered by saying AMC did the same with Nash, who created the engine. But it’s altogether different. The people and the company who created it (Nash) were AMC. Chrysler wasn’t. Did they improve it? Sure! So they get some credit. But again, it’s only tangential.
To illustrate my point - Mercedes acquired Chrysler in 1998 to form DaimlerChrysler, just like Chrysler had acquired AMC. The inline six was still in production during that time. Should Mercedes get credit for how good the inline six is? Is the 4.0 an example of how great Mercedes engineering and product development are?
Brilliant_Account_31@reddit
You were the one who started the insulting language.
I followed the thread, rehashing doesn't help your point.
The same people who you say were AMC then became Chrysler. The same thing that happened after Nash and Hudson merged.
Mercedes didn't put their name on the cars that had a 4.0. it's a completely different topic. If Mercedes had started their own factories, made their own improvements, and put it in their own cars, then yes it would also be a Mercedes engine.
Stackson212@reddit
I’m happy to agree to disagree on the main topic. If it helps, I will stipulate that Chrysler can take some credit for the final development of an engine that was already great when they bought it.
But can you point to where I was insulting? I’ve tried to be really polite throughout.
Estef74@reddit
The last nash design inline 6 was discontinued and replaced by an all new design in 1965. This engine had no ties or relation to the older nash 6.
ILoveEnverHoxha@reddit (OP)
Yeah I heard a lot of good things about the 4.0 but what's the definition of "runs for ever" in Chrysler standards? 250K? 500K?
trainurdoggos@reddit
These engines regularly get 350k miles. I’ve seen some above 500k miles. They were originally tractor engines designed to handle long run times with lots of low torque.
Check out /r/CherokeeXJ if you want examples and meet the niche group of ppl who are keeping these vehicles alive (horribly prone to rust, so bodies are falling apart around the engine).
WhichAd366@reddit
Yeah, your friend choose poorly on their motor. The 4.0 has been in service for over a decade by 05, and was a known commodity.
overcatastrophe@reddit
20 years. Engine was unchanged from 1986 til they stopped production in 2006.
Which is bonkers.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
The 4.0 had been in service for 40 years, it was designed in '65 by AMC.
supern8ural@reddit
4.0 is actually an AMC based design. You want the MoPar equivalent look at a 225 slant six.
Hersbird@reddit
The slant 6 was also super reliable. The design was good for lower hood vehicles as well.
Gloverboy6@reddit
Was thinking this, the straight six in the Wrangler wasn't even a Chrysler engine
Cheepshooter@reddit
Chrysler acquired AMC in about 87 and took over the Kenosha plant (rip) where they were made.
Brilliant_Account_31@reddit
Chrysler built them. It was a Chrysler engine.
Brilliant_Account_31@reddit
It's actually a Nash Motors based design.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Not really, the inline 6 was a fresh redesign after AMC merged with Nash. The Nash inline 6 was a flat head with only 3 crank bearings.
flatdecktrucker92@reddit
I had the 225 in my first car. Abused the hell out of it. I'm pretty sure that engine would fire up even after 15 years in the junkyard
FearlessTomatillo911@reddit
The rest of the car will fail before the drive train. 250k is probably pushing it. This will also depend on where you live and how your drive.
Motor-Letter-635@reddit
Guaranteed the tranny will go.
supern8ural@reddit
In an XJ likely not, it's an Aisin-Warner AW4
ILoveEnverHoxha@reddit (OP)
Fair enough, I have been spoiled by Toyota and the general consensus that Avalon can do 250k with its eyes closed and expected to go 350k before something major happens. Not saying Jeeps are trash if they cant make it that far, just trying to understand every brands reliability metric.
kyuubixchidori@reddit
I’m a Toyota boy through and through but I seen bone stock XJs with 250k get neutral dropped from redline over and over and hold up.
XJs are light enough they can survive pretty big ass jumps and hold up that would total out most vehicles.
the 4.0 inline 6 is a simple reliable motor as long as you don’t overheat it.
Their trans is identical to same year Toyotas. It’s the same trans with a different bellhousing. can literally swap a ls400 1uz into a XJ with just a bellhousing.
YossiTheWizard@reddit
I changed oil on one with over 400 000 kilometres. Not sure if that was the norm or the exception, but it felt like it still drove fine.
Hersbird@reddit
I had a 2007 Wrangler with the minvan 3.8 and it had 300,000+ trouble free miles on it and the 4 speed automatic when I sold it 2 years ago. Just as powerful and torquey as the 4.0 but the JK was soo much better driving then a TJ.
Cheepshooter@reddit
That was an AMC product that Chrysler absorbed in the merger. I think the only good things Chrysler ever "made" were AMC (Kaiser, Nash, Hudson) products.
SlyClydesdale@reddit
That six was an AMC design before Chrysler bought AMC/Jeep.
Brilliant_Account_31@reddit
Well actually, it was a Nash Motors design before they merged with Hudson to form AMC.
SlyClydesdale@reddit
Nope. The original version of this engine family launched in Spring 1964 as the 232ci “Typhoon” six. A decade after Nash & Hudson merged and 7 years after both marques were retired.
It was mechanically unrelated to any previous Nash 6cyl engine.
The 4.0L version launched in late 1986 by AMC in the XJ and Comanche ranges.
Brilliant_Account_31@reddit
All they did was increase the displacement and consequently the number of main bearings (I'm being glib). They were still making the Nash version in 1965. Do you really think the engineers just said well, let's ignore this existing successful engine?
SlyClydesdale@reddit
Absolutely incorrect.
The 195.6ci Nash flathead six that was still in production in 1965 was a completely different engine design.
The new six launched in 1964 as a 232 and a 199 in 1966 to replace the old 195.6 had a completely different block, completely different bore centers, head, everything.
AMC’s new six was truly all-new for 1964. Completely mechanically unrelated to the old Nash engine.
Completely.
Afraid_University_81@reddit
Doesnt matter when the rest of the truck is falling apart. My brother had a cherokee with the 4.0, I had a 24v Cummins, great motors, everything else is god awful.
TemporaryGeneral7137@reddit
Inline on my ‘91 Cherokee was a bad mamma jamma!
birdsofanassfeather@reddit
Unless your distributor pickup fails, or the suspension falls out under normal driving conditions
Novogobo@reddit
the suspensions fell out because the frames and body would rust away to dust.
tbright1965@reddit
My impression is they CAN build a good car. However, the odds are lower than getting a good Toyota or Mazda.
Inconsistent is the impression I get.
You either get a good one, or you get a problem child.
They all break.
They all need service.
Some will do these things more often than others.
Cars today by and large are far more reliable than they were 50 years ago. Even Mopar products.
I've owned a few in my lifetime. None left me stranded.
I'm more of a Mazda guy these days. My wife is a Toyota gal.
I wanted to like the Dart as it was a good looking car. However, I still ended up with a Mazda3 instead.
Buy what you like and like what you buy.
aWesterner014@reddit
As others have said, the 80s and 90s were good. I think we had 6 different Dodge products across the two decades. A couple of Dodge Lancers and a few Plymouth Voyagers/Dodge Caravans. None gave us issues.
I'd say things went downhill pretty quick in the mid to late 2000s.
SorrySite4358@reddit
I have had 4 jeep GCs and never had a major issue. Worst easy leaking struts on 2 of them. Currently driving a 21with 42k. Getting tired of all the stellantis hatred.
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JayVig@reddit
Between me and my parents we’ve had 9 mopar products since I was a kid. 6 of them were mine. The Dodge 600 in 1983 had loads of issues. My Dodge avenger coupe in 1999 had no drivetrain issues but little shit like windows and door locks were finicky. The remaining 7 have had zero problems mechanically or electrically.
whozwat@reddit
The Chrysler slant 6 from the '60s through '80s was a super reliable engine, with reputation like the 22R Toyota truck engine.
67442@reddit
I work for the BIG vehicle rental company. CDRJ vehicles are always being recalled. We’ve had Voyager/Pacificas sitting idle for a year,$$$$ lost, due to lack of parts and dealerships wanting the work. We bought thousands of Jeep Compasses that were new but sitting in storage for up to a year,most with dead batteries and other issues. I’ve had several Jeeps that died while being delivered,one that burned with its battery refusing to be put out. The old Jeeps with the 4.0 engines were bulletproof. The build quality of the vehicle was poor but that motor was proven. The 2.7 engine was a disaster. The Hornet?/Alfa is at a year or more of inventory if not cancelled. The new Charger was a start stop intro EV ICE/yes no, and the 100k+ Grand Wagoneer is a popular rental. Holds a lot of luggage. Probably not what Jeep would like to advertise.
the_cajun88@reddit
the current pacifica is good
tederian@reddit
I learned to drive on my mom’s 1966 Chrysler New Yorker. That car was a tank and very reliable. They don’t make them like that anymore.
HuntGundown@reddit
I think a big part of it is Americans (at least in the mid/south where I am) treat their cars like absolute shit. There's no such thing as preventive maintenance.
My wife's side of the family has a lot Chrysler products with over 200k miles with limited/no major repairs.
The Dakota has 280k+ but to be fair it's dying, leaking oil and coolant. Still running tho lol
My wife has the 4.7 and hers has 190k miles on it, only problem since we got it was the starter went out around 180k miles.
People hate on the 3.7 and 4.7s but I've seen em last forever.
Also the 3.7 2wd models were quite easy to work on. A slight leak on my water pump at 130k miles and it was in and out in no time. Was done before the pizza got to the garage.
Honestly I think the biggest factor is people don't take care of them, they abuse them, to be fair there's plenty of bad ones but it's not as bad as people make it seem....well... For CHRYSLER products .... Stellantis is a whole different discussion. I think the current reputation for stellantis vehicles all being garbage is accurate.
Chrysler not so much, mainly back in the "Daimler Chrysler days and before hand.
For a while I'd argue Chrysler was one of the most reliable vehicles you could get with the inline 6 4.0 in the jeep cherokee, of course they bought that from AMC but technically made it for longer than they did.
So....shits complicated.
Mindless_Job3481@reddit
As far as I know, no . I had a Jeep Cherokee in the 90s and while it was fun to drive, it always had problems.
Herbisher_Berbisher@reddit
The short answer is yes, they made many great vehicles and other products throughout the ir history (did you know that Chrysler had an aerospace Division?) The last new Chrysler product I had was a 1988 Jeep Cherokee XJ that I sold in 2018 with 245K miles. It was still running strong. The only major work needed was a valve job at around 210K miles, Otherwise it needed nothing more than routine maintenance, brakes, an alternator and a couple sets of tires. No accidents The sun oxidized the clearcoat and I never repainted it. I was very reliable and just about the most useful vehicle I've ever owned. The reason I sold it was I had 7 vehicles and was running out of space for them.
Island-dewd@reddit
My mother's driven nothing but jeeps Wranglers for 30 years.
Shes had 3 of them, no issues other than maintenance. Her current is a 16 with 120k miles and it looks and drives great. Engine purs and paint shines
Reddit is full of losers that dont leave their house, let alone do anything in the real world. They take anything off the internet to heart. They need real world experience
Realistic-Arrival157@reddit
Once upon a time Chrysler made a solid vehicle.
LomentMomentum@reddit
They were back in the day. Going way back, we had 1974 Dodge Darts with the famed Slant Six engines that were super reliable.
MysteriousMaximum488@reddit
I've have great luck with the last 2 Chrysler vehicles I've purchased: 2012 Chrysler 200 and a 2015 Dodge Durango. The 200 had the 3.6L V-6. Really enjoyed that car. 178,000 miles and only problems were replacing a front hub (bearing) at 37,000 miles and replacing the cruise control switch. No issues currently with the Durango at 110,000 miles.
BuffaloChicken22@reddit
I had the 2013 Chrysler 200 with 3.6l V6. Had 180k miles with no real issues, until it got hit by a bus a few months ago
r2d3x9@reddit
Once soon a time there was a k car. And a k car convertible. A Chrysler Concorde and LHS. And late 90s minivans. And a valiant/dart with a slant 6, that was Japanese reliable! Their last full size rwd cars were quite good, albeit gas guzzlers prone to rust
AuburnSpeedster@reddit
I have a 2013 Chrysler 300c Hemi AWD with over 100K on the clock, and it doesn't want to quit. It's much more reliable than the Lincoln LS, and Oldsmobile Aurora that it has replaced.
BuffaloChicken22@reddit
Had a 2013 Chrysler 200 3.6l V6 with 180k miles on it until a few months ago. It probably would’ve had more life left if it didn’t get hit by a bus
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Same, love my '14 Hemi-AWD Varvatos Max. I think it's the best sedan ever made and I'll take on anyone who challenges that. Absolutely fantastic bang for the buck, so easy to own, maintain, and modify, and it does everything you'd want a sedan to do.
PhotonDealer2067@reddit
They had this window after the Mercedes break up where the 300, Charger, and Challenger were so nice.
Brilliant_Account_31@reddit
That will probably disappoint you very soon.
AuburnSpeedster@reddit
given I paid 22K for it when it was two years old, with 19K miles on it, it's quite economical. How many cars do you know that can go over 80,000 miles in ten years through snow, that cost $22K? No SUV ever..
Brilliant_Account_31@reddit
8,000 miles a year is about half the national average. Snow only matters about rust, not longevity.
I bought a Camry for $400, had 150k on the odometer. Put another 100k on it and it's still going.
AuburnSpeedster@reddit
no rust.. and the camry's not AWD..
Brilliant_Account_31@reddit
Mine is, and it's lifted
Icy-Front7718@reddit
My 2005 Lincoln LS was the biggest turd I’ve owned.
phoenix823@reddit
Yeah the Lincoln LS is NOT a high bar to clear (as much as I like it and the 300).
TalkingHorse13@reddit
I have owned a 75 Chrysler Cordoba, and a 91 Dodge Dakota. The 75 was bulletproof. Had that thing for 15 years and actually still have the 360 Canada block I plan on building in a year or so. The 91 had 300k on it when I fucked up and didn’t torque the rack to spec after a bushing replacement and ended up breaking those bolts out. But that thing was poised to go another 100k +. But from 2011- 2022 I worked for a company that was at that time leased the Caravans. Our office had up to 3 of them. Those things were always on the road. Sometimes being run for days on end. I had many times of waiting for a van to return so I could take it. The returning crew get out and another crew get in and go. I handled most of the servicing of them (taking them to get the oil changed) or to get regular work done ( brakes). Had a few get totaled out but the worst was one driver didn’t know that coming down a steep mountain pass being over GVW that downshifting is a must! He warped the rotors and glazed the pads. I had that fixed and the same day the same guy drove it down the same pass that night and did it again. He didn’t give a shit about it. When I kept telling him to shift he ignored me. He never drove over that mountain again. But being well over gross weight that would happen to any vehicle. We only ever had one develop the TIPM issue. And the only issue I dealt with over that was the service advisor at the dealer didn’t understand I’m a car guy. The second time visiting the dealer got a different advisor and it got fixed. We would get replacements that would finally reach us when the vans were at 160k -180k. But we had more that met their demise with bad drivers. The best part of those things was we could drive them over a mountain pass in damn near whiteout conditions but never slid off the roads ever. Plus the stow n go’s could fold into the floors in less than 30 seconds.
r2d3x9@reddit
2008 grand caravan. Has had about double the expected maintenance issues, plus lots of recalls. And it’s a rust bucket. And yet not the engine or the transmission.
DaFarmGar@reddit
Ok. A few issues with the info linked up in your post.
There's a huge history there. The huge following for Jeep you speak of was AMC designed Jeeps.
The Cherokee XJ for example was basically designed in 1984 to be the original small durable offroad sport utility vehicle.
In 1987 Chrysler Corporation purchased AMC. Wanted to discontinue the Cherokee so they made the Grand Cherokee but the original Cherokee out sold it in its first 2 years, 93,94 so they kept producing both up until 2001. That 2001 Cherokee could still use some parts from the original 1984 model. It was designed to be easily repaired if it broke down out in the woods.
Then Daimler Chrysler produced vehicles that were hell to turn wrenches on in the next generation, they retained the hell to work on attributes and added cheap crap parts with Stellantis.
My 99 Cherokee has an AMC designed, hard to kill, more than average powered for its age 4.0 inline six cylinder, mated to basically an indescribable Toyota transmission, a tough factory transfer case, factory limited slip rear differential, and the Jeep weighs slightly more than a Chrysler neon. The aftermarket parts available for it are endless. The only problem it has is rust.
StandByTheJAMs@reddit
Loaded question, but the Pacifica is great. Get yourself some minivan TODAY and you won't look back.
Random_User_1337_@reddit
Anything pre-90s from them is really good.
toybuilder@reddit
Did Daimler-Chrysler vehicles with 722.6 trannies generally fare well outside of the infamous conductor plate issues? I had an E-class that had some conductor plate problems, but otherwise the transmission was still going strong at \~265,000 miles when I retired the vehicle because of problems elsewhere. From my general understanding, the 722.6 was a pretty reliable transmission except for the conductor plate, and also was easier to service because the conductor plate was not coded.
seemerock@reddit
I had a Concord in 2003. I drove it for 12 years without any mejor problems. It still ran good when I gave it to my uncle.I think he still has it
Easy-Expert9077@reddit
The Chrysler Cordoba with the Corinthian leather was a helluva a car. And not only because it introduced the world to leather production on the Isle of Corinth which before then was largely unheard of.
Doyoulike4@reddit
If you go all the way to pre-emissions, like 1950s-early 1970s pre-malaise Chrysler genuinely had some good stuff with remarkably consistency even. A lot of the old New Yorkers/Newports/300s were great, Dodge and Plymouth had some incredible muscle cars, Chrysler used to have a Lincoln/Cadillac competitor brand called Imperial that was genuinely on that level and this is an era when a Lincoln or Cadillac meant something. And even just the generic for their time Plymouth and Dodge sedans and wagons were on par with stuff Ford and GM were putting out at the time.
Even post-emissions and post-malaise Chrysler occasionally has flashes of brilliance, the 1st and 2nd generation Dakota I think are really good compact to mid-sized trucks that I've always loved despite not being a mopar guy, they had the Chrysler Fifth Avenue in the 80s that while a dated design for it's time even is the kinda car that can go 300k+ miles if maintained. AMC deserves credit for initially designing it and even initially bringing it to market but the XJ Cherokee especially with the 4.0 liter inline 6 is one of the greatest SUVs ever made.
To TL:DR it, yes Chrysler was genuinely good across the board at one point and even after that do occasionally put out good stuff if you do your homework.
zeromutt@reddit
Ill never understand the chrysler hate. My 2006 300c srt is bullet proof
bucho4444@reddit
Mine certainly seems to be.
CoastalSpeed@reddit
I would say up to the end of the TJs production (~2006) Chrysler made a decent product, after that the nose dive began, their saving grace is the Cummins in the pickups.
Even with that being said, the 2nd gen rams were notorious for rusting out bad and the automatic transmissions may as well have been made out of wet paper towels. The V8s of that gen were pretty stout(318 and 360) and I believe they were the last manufacturer to have a solid front axle in a half ton pickup.
The Jeeps inline engines were nearly bulletproof but those were designed by AMC before Chrysler stepped in.
Even the third gen Ram pickups are decently built but post 2008ish is when the wheels fell off. They kept the 5.7 hemi around for nearly 20 years with every one of them having the possibility of developing the “hemi tick”. Jeeps quality tanked as they were plagued with electrical issues and rust issues, see all of the subframe issues with the patriots, compasses and calibers. The Dodge dart was a colossal failure as well. Even in 2026 they are still marketing the Durango with the same interior from like 2015.
It’s always been kinda known that Chrysler makes some very cool looking vehicles with questionable quality.
This is my personal beef but also discontinuing the Challenger/Charger line and completely alienating the target consumers with a new EV was probably one of the worst moves they’ve ever made. Hence why the new chargers are selling way under sticker price. Also, Dodge hornet, no explanation needed.
TL:DR; Chrysler once decent enough, now owned by bigger company, not so good.
justthefacts84@reddit
The Chrysler products I have owned were trash ! I would not recommend any of their cars or trucks !
quiksi@reddit
Despite the reputation of their stereotypical customer, Chrysler 300s are quite nice for their intended purpose.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Mine's fantastic
ratrodder49@reddit
Hi friend. Figured I might find you in this thread lol
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Been a while, and of course, always up for defending Chrysler against the idiot mob.
Hambone528@reddit
I was an FCA tech for 9 years
We saw the Charger/Challenger/300 the least. All the rebadged Fiat stuff the most.
If you forced me to pick a vehicle to purchase between 2014-2023 (my tenure) it would be between a Hemi Ram 1500, a Hemi Charger, or a WKII Grand Cherokee.
Spear994@reddit
I absolutely fucking love my WK2.
yogaballcactus@reddit
Yeah but isn’t that just because of their propensity to wrap themselves around trees totaled most of them before they had a chance to break down?
phoenix823@reddit
We got one as a road trip car a couple years ago and it was perfect at doing that. Big, boaty, comfortable. Really undervalued.
ratrodder49@reddit
Same. Bought my 2012 almost four years ago now, put 35k on it in the first two years and another 20k on it since then. Have driven it from Oklahoma to GA and back, Kansas to North Carolina and back, several trips from Kansas to Corpus / Galveston area and back, several trips up into central Iowa and back; all the while, getting about 26 MPG out of the Hemi, even seeing up to 27.6 MPG on one trip. Super comfortable road trip car, loves to eat up the miles.
Competitive-Bar-9300@reddit
I think Chrysler just washed their image as a pseudo-luxury brand away for the last 30 years and a lot of people stopped even considering Chrysler when shopping for a big boat of a luxury sedan. Even though the Chrysler 300 is probably what a lot of Lincoln shoppers were trying to buy after the Town Car was gone, there's the Chrysler mental debuff.
AndreLeGeant88@reddit
The reason that stereotype exists is because the 300 felt like a truly luxury car
zyzmog@reddit
I don't know how far back you want to go, but in the late 1960s, the Mopar 318 ci V8 was a workhorse that would just go on and on and on. And the cars they put it in worked pretty darned well, too.
IIRC, the Mopar 383 also had a good reputation, but it was more muscle-car-y. For a daily driver, you really couldn't beat the 318.
RJ_adrift@reddit
My mom used to own a 2014 chrylster 300 hemi. That thing was real nice
tomm727@reddit
No.
Ralph_O_nator@reddit
I’ve had a few Chryslers for work that I really liked. I put about 40,000 miles on each. I don’t remember the exact years but I had the following: 2002-ish fully loaded Chrysler Town and Country. Loved using for long distance drives to sites. It had a V-6 with adequate power and was really comfortable with decent mileage. 2005-ish Jeep Grand Cerokee 4.0 I-6 4x4. I’d use it for site visits that were off road. I really liked the I-6 and it was much more civilized and quieter than my 2001 4Runner but wasn’t built as well. I also had a Ram 3500 dualy that I used to tow. Loved the engine and it felt like driving a mini big rig. Never had an issue that I could remember on any of the vehicles and I liked driving all of them.
HobbiesAreMoneyPit@reddit
The 12v Cummins Turbo Diesel in my 2nd gen Dodge Ram is reliable. The Chrysler dash, not so much.
chriswaco@reddit
Over 40 years I've had two minivans, two Grand Cherokees, three LeBarons (two convertibles) and liked every single one of them. My wife has had a Cherokee, Grand Cherokee, and still drives a 2007 Liberty. I'd still be driving my 2006 Town & Country except we salt our roads here and it rusted too much.
So the short answer is: Yes, they made some really nice cars in the past. I don't think I'd buy any of them today due to reliability concerns, although my wife kinda wants a Wrangler.
GlitteringPen3949@reddit
Chrysler made good products till 1973. Then crap to the present day.
howrunowgoodnyou@reddit
I think most of the hate comes from people who do not follow the suggested maintenance of the transmissions then get pissed when if fails and would rather blame Chrysler than admit they were lazy cheapasses
_totalannihilation@reddit
Maybe I hit the reliability lottery with my 06 Charger. Made it to 200k without any hiccups. I did regular maintenance on it I'm pretty sure a lot of people don't perform maintenance as they should.
It's easy to blame it in the manufacturer. Perhaps maintainance would make a difference.
FoundationTower@reddit
Chrysler has improved since the 80's K car era, especially in the later 2000's. Also depends on the model, just like any manufacturer, there's ones that last & others that are more troublesome. There are manufacturers out there currently that are actually less reliable than Chrysler brand of vehicles.
Seppafer@reddit
Family had a 94 town and country and it was a trooper. It was phenomenal at carting around the family and hauling big loads with a towing suspension package. Lasted us around 22 years despite the various issues it developed. Couldn’t really justify the cost to fix a bunch of them and eventually had to sell it for cheap.
imachiknsamich@reddit
Across the whole line?
No
But they've had a few good models here, and there, over the years
Formal-Illustrator13@reddit
I had had three jeeo grand Cherokee’s. A 2014, 2019, and a current 2023 Stellanris.
The first two were trouble free and I enjoyed having them. The 2022 is awful. It shakes, chatters and has a vibration the dealer can’t track. No repairs, but not pleasant to drive. I don’t like or enjoy the 2023 at all.
It’s a shame, it’s the right size and is a good look looking SUV. I suppose it’s my last Chrysler Stellanris product
Eckleburgseyes@reddit
The early 80's New Yorker had a robot voice that reminded you your door was "ajar" and "don't forget your cheese".And it had a 2.2l turbocharged engine which was pretty decent.
Basically the Lee Iacocca years were pretty special.
Successful_Piano8118@reddit
Chryslers reputation is overly exaggerated online.
Owned several of them. Have over 170k on my 2020 ram ATM with the 5.7.
People will pretend they'll blow up at 50k miles and ignore the fleet of 300s in the road currently now that they are over 20 years old
ratrodder49@reddit
This. TONS of Chargers, Challengers, and 300s out there still, not to mention a few million Rams.
Extension_Variety190@reddit
1966 Plymouth Fury. 210 thousand miles and getting ready to either rebuild or replace the 383 and it still embarrasses a lot of "sporty" cars.
csmflynt3@reddit
I think the problem is that once a company has a bad run for a few years, they can't ever shake the stigma or it takes a very long time. I liken it to Samsung appliances in that regard. They have fixed most of the major issues that a lot of their products had , but people still don't want to buy them.
gambit57@reddit
I had an early 90s Jeep Cherokee. Gas mileage was horrific (11 mpg and my friend's Grand Cherokee was 10 mpg), but actually reliable and very tough.
My parents bought a couple more Chrysler products after that and they were pretty bad post 2000.
OmericanAutlaw@reddit
we had a jeep grand cherokee that lasted quite a long time. drove strong too.
tmiller128@reddit
My family had a 1987 Plymouth voyager. We had it for 20 years and 200k miles. Only issue I can remember having was a fuel pump replacement. Everything else was standard, tires, brakes, oil, etc. it was well maintained. I can’t speak to any other Chrysler product but that one was great.
Revolutionary-Sky825@reddit
The K cars were great back in the day
SJCitizen@reddit
Their 90s vans would last 300k miles if people kept up on maintenance. Hell you’ll still see some of them on the road even now.
pgregston@reddit
Loved my 55Chrysler Hemi. Love my slant 6, Dodge and Plymouth. Had a tremendous 74 Dodge van. Been very satisfied driving various minivans. Haven’t seen a Stellantis product that wasn’t a Challenger that I would investigate. They did great Jeep Products but not to eager to sample current ones.
Walternotwalter@reddit
My family has had 12 minivans over the years and not one was ever in the shop for more than 3 days. Likewise Grand Cherokees.
They are American and everybody shits on American cars.
No_Independent_7851@reddit
Had problems 70s and early 80s. Iacocca cleaned them up and they were doing great when Daimler Benz bought them in 1998. Daimler brought good engineering. 2011 Durango was a GLS and basically same today. But they fired Americans and put Canadians in charge along with DEI.. Daimler realized they couldn’t handle Chrysler and sold to Private equity group Cerberus. They cut every expense and didn’t update. Quality crashed. Obama gave them to Fiat after 2008 crash so that Fiats small engine, small vehicles could “save” Chrysler. Total failure obviously. Fiat improved quality but mainly sucked money from Jeep/Ram. 4xe sold well but problems. Now with Stellantis they are an afterthought. Still just sucking money bc Europeans don’t care about American workers or understand the market.
MooseyLoosey1@reddit
I owned a 1989 Dodge Ram Charger
It had well over 350000kms
I drove it from 200000-350000 without changing the oil. Not even once. I just topped it up with new oil every time it started “grinding”.
A/C always cold. Power windows, locks and the biggest couch of a backseat ever.
I lived in Canada -30c to +40.c it never failed me once.
Greatest car ever.
ConversationBoth6127@reddit
I owned an 87 and a 2000 Dakota. Haven’t for at least 39 years.
Mission-Anybody-6798@reddit
The apologists are just being contrary.
Stellaris has shepherded a company with a bad reputation into the ditch. Daimler latched onto Chrysler at the same moment they torpedoed their own reliability into the void, and all Stellaris did was pour concrete onto it.
Poorly engineered (where Chrysler had a rep through the 70s for quality engineering, even if their QC was iffy), then the quality control got worse, and never really recovered. Yeah, the minivans were awesome. But something as theoretically bulletproof as a Jeep is now just a time bomb.
Serious question: would you trust a Stellaris transmission more, or less, than a Nissan CVT?
Apart-District3771@reddit
I think you're talking about Stellantis
Left-Piano-791@reddit
Every few years they come out with some cool looking vehicles because they are willing and need to take chances. Unfortunately their quality lets them down with bad engineering decisions or just overall quality issues. Just like Nissan.
supacomicbookfool@reddit
I love my Ram TRX. It's a beast! I wouldn't trade it for anything...except a new TRX.
RetiredRacer914@reddit
They were the same quality as any other American manufacturer in the late 1960's and the early 1970's.
The built some super interesting performance cars during that time.
RobsHereAgain@reddit
Chrysler had hits and misses in every decade just like every other car maker. Going way back their slant 6 engine was a legend of reliability. You literally could not kill them. In fact there’s probably still Dodge darts or Plymouth Belvedere or whatever still kicking with a slant 6. The Hemi of the 60’s was a game changer and their 318 was actually quite good. Modern Chrysler/Ram/Jeep is a still a bit of a crapshoot in quality and reliability which is too bad. However, gm hasn’t exactly been a bastion of reliability or quality for quite a long time
8amteetime@reddit
Back in the day, Mopar was right up there with Ford and GM.
Things went south when they merged with Daimler in the 90’s.
Maple-4590@reddit
Chrysler made good products in two categories:
Basic family transportation, cheap to buy and repair, completely unpretentious: AMC compact cars, Slant Six Valiant/Dart, low-spec K-cars, all the minivans, Dodge Journey
Enthusiast platforms, not quite fully-baked stock, but a cost-effective basis for mods: '60s muscle cars, Jeep Wrangler, turbo K-cars, XJ Cherokee, DSM cars, Ram truck (especially Cummins), Viper, Neon SRT4, modern Charger/Challenger
They've struggled to compete in other categories where "refinement" and "bulletproof reliability" are key.
Goddragon555@reddit
I had a 2016 power wagon i really liked. Never had any issues with it in the year i had it.
czechFan59@reddit
I'd give my left nut for a vintage 'Cuda
manbearpig0101@reddit
Honestly even Toyota is having major issues with their new turbo Motors.
Monotask_Servitor@reddit
Chrysler were the smallest of the three big American motor companies operating in our part of the world (Australia/NZ) up until the 80s. Never the less they made some great vehicles, IMO as good as anything Ford or GM gave us. They pretty much shut up shop here in the 80s though after a few years of operating as Chrysler-Mitsubishi (Mitsubishi remained active here).
TDot-26@reddit
I'm a dodge guy because my family once ran a dealership
1994 spirit, 175k miles.
2001 2500, 400k miles.
2004 3500 diesel dual wheel, 300k miles
2005 1500, 150k miles.
7 first generation (but post-update) 4.7 power tech dodge Durangos. First 3 hit 380, 350 and 270 respectively, before they were totaled due to collisions. We went out and bought 3 more, plus an extra for good measure.
So at least for that era and those cars, yeah, shit's solid.
Tossaway198832@reddit
My parents Durango is a 2004 with a Hemi. They’ve just done basic maintenance and wear parts. Original Engine and Trans. 335K and it’s their daily driver still. I installed a double din pioneer with CarPlay and a backup camera for them since they refused to buy a newer car. Ha
magaketo@reddit
I remember my dad calling it 'brand x' way back in the 70's.
supern8ural@reddit
The slant six is legendary for a reason. 318 and 340 LA are almost as bulletproof. TF727 is also a legend.
stupiduselesstwat@reddit
I went to a Mopar show a long time ago and they used a slant 6 for the engine blow.
It took forever for that thing to actually go boom.
Tossaway198832@reddit
My aunt drove one like 30 miles with very, very little oil. It was smoking like crazy.
We filled it full of oil and fixed the leaks, ran great for 3 more years til she wrecked it.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Had a friend with several slants well over 400k.
mrkprsn@reddit
With the torque flight transmissions.
DSDIK@reddit
I’ve never owned a Chrysler branded vehicle but had owned a Plymouth, Ram, and Dodge vics throughout my life. Ive never had any major issues with them, just a few recalls, maybe its due to me being proactive about routine maintenance or luck. I was in a mopar club and 1 of my friends still dailies his 06 charger srt and is nearly 300k on it and no issues so far.
manbearpig0101@reddit
I had a 2012 Chrysler 300 with the 5.7 and a 2017 Ram 1500 and both were fantastic for the 100000 miles that I keep my vehicles for. I haven't tried any of their new stuff.
Spec187@reddit
I'm gonna be honest. So far my 2923 ram classic 3.6 4x4 has been a sound buy. Rides smoother and is significantly more comfortable than my old GMC. I could see it being reliable in all honesty. My GMC was reliable till rust got it
mopar_md@reddit
My neighbors got a brand-new Sebring convertible in the 2000s, and it was the most irredeemable turd of a car I've ever seen. It lasted maybe 10 or 15 thousand miles. They got tired of the constant issues and parked it after couple years, then dragged it out to kill it via demolition derby several years later
ClapClapFlapSlap@reddit
no.
Tossaway198832@reddit
Still are, lots of their cars are reliable and have great drivetrains. Reddit is just irrational AF.
Hersbird@reddit
Chrysler of the 60s and 70s were some of the most reliable cars made. I always thought it maybe was becuase they didn't have the engineering manpower and money of Ford and GM so they just sort of went overbuilt instead of lighter, faster, at the limit sort of engineering. Yes they threw a lot of HP at the cars but they used beefy axles, diffs, transmissions. They kept it simple as well with 3 basic platforms all the models were built on
nolongerbanned99@reddit
My dad bought a New Yorker new in the 80s. Was a nice car with a good stereo. Nothing ever broke that I can recall.
earthman34@reddit
Chrysler has had its ups and downs. I've had some insanely reliable Chrysler products, I still have one sitting outside now, battered and worn, but it's never failed me, so I don't want to part with it. I think a lot of Chrysler's reliability issues are directly related to "Europeanizing" the brands, i.e. bring in European-designed powerplants that don't hold up in North American conditions and use patterns.
Small-Attitude6584@reddit
In the late 60,s and 70,s dodge had a decent name and were fast the e judge and jury come to mind
hapym1267@reddit
70's and 80's , even 90's had good reliable vehicles..Polara , Diplomat , were a staple for many Police for years. 225 slant six and 318 v8 were a popular power plant for water pumps and other equipment..
iBody@reddit
I’ve had a few over the past 20 years and they’ve been, fine? They quality control may be dog shit, but if you get a good one they’re completely acceptable and once upon a time, much cheaper. They use a lot of pentastar engines and ZF transmissions which are decent compared to most other V6’s and junk CVTs.
Relevant_Bowl_3664@reddit
318 and Slant 6 were indestructible.
Manny_Deeprest@reddit
i worked for a company for 13 years that used fords for the fleet and 1 ram. Ram was always in the shop. At that same employer, 2 coworkers had wranglers and had constant issues. next employer i was at for 10 years had mostly rams for for rentals and salesmen. Management picked their trucks and they all had Fords. My coworkers that weren't salesmen all had chevys. In the almost 10 years 2 guys had rams and they blew up within 3 years. current employer of 2 years, all our work trucks are either chevy or ford. No issues. my wife had a jeep when we met and the tranny took a shit about 4 years ago. My mom and dad had a grand Cherokee that they bought, return it under lemon law, against my advice they got another one and was nothing but overheating problems.
Shot-Counter7607@reddit
I've owned three Town & Country minivans. All three lasted over 200K miles -- mostly because I was religious in changing the oil and filter every 3,000 miles. If you maintain them well, they are fine.
BigOil88@reddit
Dodge Dart with a slant six ! Or more recently
The refreshed Durango 2014+ was fundamentally designed by Daimler… you can even see that when you looked at their equivalent Tuscaloosa built Mercedes model underneath. ZF design transmission was awesome The 3.6 L V6 was awesome. Pentastar. Had an oil cooler issue w a bit too much plastic, but it was a good engine and well balanced. Loved that car. If you need more, giddyup, they still sold it with a V8
ne999@reddit
The “K” car was a legend. Cheap and easy to fix. My parents had one and drove it until it basically rusted away from our Canadian winters.
My wife’s family had one. Drove across the US multiple times. Lasted for ages.
Brilliant_Account_31@reddit
2005 is not an older Jeep. It needs the straight six, AMC 360, and I think they also had a Buick 350, to be an older Jeep.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
No Buick V8s in Jeeps, they did use a Buick V6 in the Kaiser era.
SteadySurvivalMode@reddit
I’ve had 6 different Chrysler products in the family in the past 5 years, still own three of them. Haven’t had any real trouble from any of them. The only problems I’ve had weren’t even Chrysler problems (Cummins)
GlenGaryBoss2024@reddit
M1 Abrams is pretty good
tiredofwrenches@reddit
Back in the 50's and 60's MOPAR was awesome. Reliable, fast. Great muscle cars. Starting with about 70's when chrysler tried to do fuel-efficient cars, quality went downhill. Then it was sold several times and it really tanked. The minivan sort of revived it, but that wasn't enough.
Rabidschnautzu@reddit
My wife's 96 Cherokee with the I6.
bluecheeto13@reddit
90s and early 2000s with the T&C, all versions of the 300 and the Charger, and of course the trucks.
nixiebunny@reddit
My history with Chrysler products goes way back to the 1960s. They made good stuff back then. We had a 1967 Plymouth wagon with the 383 engine that lasted 170,000 miles of overloaded cross-country highway trips and climbing mountains and all sorts of abuse before throwing a rod outside Gila Bend in August while towing a trailer. Also, top fuel dragsters used 426 Hemis and still use offshoots of that engine design.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Chrysler made the absolute best cars of the classic muscle car era until the malaise era. And again in the modern muscle car era.
cdsbigsby@reddit
Adding on to this for anyone reading this who may not know - 170,000 miles was a LOT back then, in the era of the 5 digit odometer.
Inner_Pipe6540@reddit
Toyotas have their own share of problems with engines and transmission besides airbags and the list goes on. Actually every car manufacturer has had problems
Lordraxxdog@reddit
Have you never heard of Charger/ Challenger/ 300 ? All great. But yes lots of shit throughout the years... I'm lookin at you Journey... oh and neons srt4 was fun though.
Nofanta@reddit
Chrysler and Jeep were both good up into the 80’s.
JonEG123@reddit
Way back when, my mom had a 94 Grand Cherokee and very briefly a 00 Town and Country. She ended up having lots of minor problems with the Jeep that just kept adding up. The T&C seemed fine, but she dropped it quick when she decided not to be the minivan mom.
I had 3 Wranglers in my life and never really had an issue. My brother still has my 03, still kicking I guess… his wife’s much newer 2011(?) wrangler had a major engine issue and they got rid of it.
dfoyl@reddit
40a they were the finest of the big 3 for engineering and briefly were the #2 seller by brand (Chev, Plymouth, Ford). Late 50s they didn't swing their design quickly enough, and lost share they never recovered. 60s were fine, 70s were a trainwreck after 1973 or so, Iacocca and the K-car saved them, they did great into the 90s, and the krauts mortally wounded them with the DCC merger. Never recovered. The Jeep brand is reknown for poor quality. Dodge is flip flopping with electric vs ICE (no thanks to changes in US government, as usual), they killed off Plymouth which was insane given it used to be #2, and they took Chrysler itself downmarket with the 200...
Glop1701d@reddit
Yes
DeepSeaDynamo@reddit
They made some good stuff in the 60s, but i think they were even sorta hit and miss back then. Guys definitely talk about some of them being built significantly better then others
IcyMathematician2668@reddit
My father had a 76 Chrysler Cordoba and that care was awesome. It was friggin huge and indestructable
Acrobatic_Opening750@reddit
I own three Stellantis products. All fantastic vehicles. So much so, would gladly buy again.
China_bot42069@reddit
It’s depends. I honestly think there pretty good/okay till about 2020. Then shit went downhill. For the record I have/had 3 2012 and newer jeeps with over 400k km on them. Originally motor and trans. 3.6. Yes things broke and maintenance but not bad. Only vehicle that been cheaper to run and drive is a 21 year old c55 AMG with 200k on it. Literally tires, gas and oil. But it has the same trans as the jeeps mentioned.
Effigy59@reddit
Were they ever good? Yes. Back in the day Chrysler was known for its engineering.
Gunk_Olgidar@reddit
No, not really.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
My Chrysler is great.
prgtexas921@reddit
Every Chrysler product i have owned starting with a dodge daytona, then a pt cruiser and then a dodge ram truck (hemi) has had expensive issues at low mileage. The truck caused me to switch to Toyota after breaking down in mid traffic on a busy Houston freeway. My wife finally gave up her sequoa with 180K miles and no issues but since they were just coming out with a new redesign on the sequoa she opted for a lincoln. We shall see on the ford product. I have a couple of gm products with minimal issues but got rid of them before i could judge their respective long term reliability
CrazyMarlee@reddit
1968 Dodge Charger R/T. I beat on that car for 75,000 miles and I don't remember anything breaking. Sold it to my Dad who put another 75,000 miles on it. I think he broke a torsion bar and the automatic transmission was rebuilt, but that 440 engine was solid.
plywooden@reddit
No, not really. I'm considering since back through the 70's through today.
rpm429@reddit
Going to stick with the title question and say no.
Acceptable_Stop2361@reddit
When I was a very young man my buddies liked to say Mopar or no car. But we were talking about late 60s stuff. Jeep was once greatness, when AMC made them. If you put a Chevy motor in it. And didn't abuse it too much... Nah, Chrysler pretty much sucks but I would love to have a late 50s 300C or any 65-69 Mopar muscle car, reliability be damned.
FitFormal7363@reddit
An early Road Runner was such a bad ass car in my younger years, and all the various others like cuda and what not. Had a Cornet for awhile it was fun but the one I was most fond of was a 73 imperial that I used to tow a jet boat from San Diego to Blyth a lot. Liked it more than the 73 Lincoln town car I also used for those trips back in the day. The Imperial was a road warrior but cheaper body than the Ford car. The 440 had plenty of power and It outperformed people using trucks in almost every metric, living room level comfort, did not know it was pulling anything, that torsion bar front end just floated over the road, but 9 mpg period. Didn't matter how you drove it 9 mpg. The Lincoln mostly got 15 with the 460. The car was built on a heavy chassis different from their other big car the Newport. Brake rotors where from a one ton truck, just drilled for five, same part, just different bolt pattern/circle. Had some great wheels, wide, that ironically went right over to a Pontiac Grand Ville I had when it was finally to tired after many miles.
Anyway all the big 3 have made their fair shares of garbage at various times.
Harryandfairy@reddit
I remember when Chrysler purchased AMC And Lamborghini. Back in the 1980s
pkupku@reddit
I bought a 2014 Dodge minivan a year or two old with very few miles. I loved the vehicle. However, it came in for a recall for a badly designed cylinder head, then another recall because the replacement head was also badly designed. Fortunately, it was all done for free as a recall, but I thought, my God, when’s the last time you’ve heard of a incorrectly designed cylinder head, and the replacement was incorrectly designed as well?
Before I traded it in the six speed automatic was starting to have a subtle glitch when shifting. I don’t know how serious it was.
Overall, I loved that vehicle and hated to give it up. But my ex-wife really wanted a smaller vehicle.
govtmuleman@reddit
Dad always called the minivans “lee iacocca specials”
Safe_Chicken_6633@reddit
Absolutely. Going way back to the flathead era, their straight sixes were the standard for reliability, simplicity, serviceability, and durability- just not horsepower. The hemi, when it finally came along, was legendary.
Christine. Nuff said.
My family owned a Chrysler Newport. Great car, I'd say better than any Cadillac or Lincoln of the era.
Their musclecars were the best. The 1968 Charger is the sexiest car ever made, except for maybe the Jaguar XK120.
The Diplomat/Fury/5th Avenue was a superb general service taxi/police/fire/municipal/whatever sedan, and better looking than the Caprice or Crown Vic of the same era.
Crowiswatching@reddit
A Dodge Dart or Plymouth Valiant with a slant 6 was indestructible.
REITlol@reddit
The Crossfire was extremely fun to drive and a great car. Mercedes SLK with a different skin. Extensive firsthand experience so can vouch for this. Also very cheap now if you want a fun oddball. The SRT6 version was genuinely a rocket, too.
GeneralissimoFranco@reddit
The AMC powered Jeeps (Cherokee, YJ, TJ) were pretty good other than rust issues.
JitteryTurtle@reddit
Some vehicles during the Daimler era were damn good. My 2000 Jeep Patriot was really great.
nicclys@reddit
They were innovators in the 50’s. Ford and GM had their big wings, glitz and glam. Chrysler had the Hemi head v8, push button transmission, air conditioning all in 1955.
gubanana@reddit
My workplace has been running Dodge Grand Caravans for years. As they die, they buy new used ones and the cycle goes on. The oldest is a 2010ish that was retired from active duty into the maintenance department as a service vehicle. It's rusted through hell, dash is lit like a christmas tree but it runs and drives They really do not care about beating their vehicles to crap. The 2 main ones we have are a 2017 and a newer 2019, which replaced the one at maintenance around '21. I remember when that happened as it was my second year working here.
When one of the other service vehicles died, they purchased one from an employee who was gonna sell/trade it for a GMC Sierra. He got the truck, and we got yet another service van. At the moment, these three vans have or have had zero issues (all purchased low mileage, or in the case of the last one, with known history). The 2017 is being considered for retirement for something with lower mileage and will likely be yet another GC. It's at about 250k right now. The '19, when we got it, had barely 60k Now it has about 210. I put a couple thousand there myself lol.
My neighbors across the street have slowly replaced their identical trio of Honda Odysseys (she runs a daycare and he has a window washing company) with three solid and low mileage GC within the last year or two. Plenty of those around to pick from around here. Seems to me that some people really luck out on good Chrysler vehicles, others get something built on the last Friday shift before a Monday holiday.
Euphoric_Listen2748@reddit
I had a 1995 Dodge Pickup with the 318 in it she was bulletproof. But the fit and finish was terrible. Anyone with that generation of door handles will remember having to hit the top to get the button to pop back out (usually).
wc347@reddit
I had a conversation with my dad back in the late 2000s about why people seem to hate on anything Mopar. At the time I had a 2001 Durango R/T and it was dead on reliable for me. He told that even his dad, my grandfather, had Chryslers and Dodges in the 40s, 50s, 60s and used them the whole time he was a traveling salesman for RKO. He told me that he would see the drivetrains be reliable and last for 100s of thousands of miles but the body would basically fall off around them.
I have personally driven or owned Mopars since the late 90s. I have had some bad dealer experiences but overall I’m pretty happy with the brands.
JollyCurve6585@reddit
I had a 84 Shelby Charger No real problems. Had a friend that had a 84 Chrysler Laser. He had continuous problems with the check engine light coming on during the first several months. He took it back to the dealer 5-6 times before they finally fixed it. The dealership just cut the wires to the check engine light!!! I’ll never own a Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep vehicle again
Slybugsy@reddit
I had a Chrysler and so did my dad. They were both lemons. My dad had the dash gauges replaced about 6 times before he got a unit where all the gauges actually worked. My car was constant transmission and brake issues.
No_Cut4338@reddit
Everybody loves to hate them but there are a lot of pentastar 3.6s powering vehicles on this earth.
No_Rain_1543@reddit
In Australia when Chrysler launched with the Valiant, a modern sleek domestic car with a 225 slant 6 producing 145hp with the option of a 3-speed auto was a game changer. Holden's 6 was only knocking out 75hp in a 1950s style body and the new Ford Falcon was only cranking 101hp from their big engine using a 2-speed auto
BlueMonday2082@reddit
They’re never good and there’s always an excuse.
tyzer24@reddit
The 3.6L Pentastar V6 is pretty legendary. 16 million cars have this engine dating back to 2010. They aren't perfect but if you can maintain them properly and fix em at first signal of issues they run forever. The transmission or rust usually give them the worst reputation.
I have a 2015 Dodge Grand caravan SE with the 3.6l. I'm maintaining it well and it's an excellent affordable people mover for the family travel baseball trips. Minivan life for the win.
Joe_B_Likes_Tacos@reddit
Back in the late 1930s, Chrysler got so big that it was the number two manufacturer in the United States after general motors. Many of their cars were quite good including the Airflow line that was well ahead of its time.
Bourdainist@reddit
Hell no.
Mad_Scientist_420@reddit
Yes, they were. I'm a diehard Chevy guy for decades..... But my 68 Dodge D200 was the absolute best truck I ever had. I used to haul anywhere from 10-18k from Missouri to Michigan twice a week. I regret selling it at 688k miles..... I'd trade my Silverado for it, but the guy I sold it to back in 96 still won't part with it(I offered my Silverado or a Superduty with a bulletproof 6.0). He did blow the motor at just over 1 million miles. It currently has a 413 wedge, and is still hauling horses for events at 68 years old.
ThirdSunRising@reddit
At no point in time were Chrysler products the most reliable products. They did have an occasional reliable vehicle, the Plymouth Valiant was legendary for being a tough little beast for example, so they’ve had their high points but they’ve never been the pinnacle of reliability, ever
NuclearHateLizard@reddit
I took Chrysler's apprenticeship program, learned first ha d how shit they are
Euphoric-Property309@reddit
They old 318 engines from the 70s were bullet proof.
Longjumping_Bad1286@reddit
Drove a new Dodge Durango, 5k miles, via Avis as a rental. Infotainment didn’t work at first. Like bugging out. Transmission clunked hard going into gear. Spray foam like insulation on door hinges that looks like a production overspray issue. Overall, shitty car.
KeyAd3363@reddit
I had a 1966 Dodge Dart and it was a fantastic car.
Dinglebutterball@reddit
In the 60’s yea… I mean the gen2 based hemi stuff is still dominating all kinds of racing.
New-Job1761@reddit
I had a 1973 AMC Hornet Wagon that was extremely reliable and very comfortable. Bought it used in 79 and drove it from Memphis to Seattle, eventually back to Memphis, then gave it to my BIL when we went to Germany. He drove it for 5 more years. Only trouble in all that time was a carb rebuild and a cracked exhaust manifold. Pretty good for an $850 car.
Poodleape2@reddit
No
onedelta89@reddit
The older TJ with the in line 4 liter engine and manual trans was as good as it got for jeep. They all had issues.
Fun_End_440@reddit
I have a 2017 Pacifica with 120k miles. Towing about 10% of the time, sometimes filled to capacity. Never been in the shop for repairs. Oil, tires, brakes, filters and spark plugs.
Deep_Foundation6513@reddit
Better than ford
ktappe@reddit
Back when they were actually Mopar, yes they were good. Not in recent decades though. I would say they went significantly downhill in quality roughly when Iacocca got there.
PsychologicalVirus16@reddit
I'd call myself a Ford guy, but I had a 1994 Chrysler Concorde that never gave me a problem. Ran it into the ground at 190000 miles.
thandrax@reddit
Dodge Omni mid 80’s. Was actually a good car. It’s was only front wheel drive But best snow car had to be over 8” to stop it. Now it was a tin can but lots room. I locked up motor, timing belt snapped be cause of my lack of repairs. Also had a Dodge K car mid 80’s that was garbage
Doberman831@reddit
In 2002 I bought a 1999 Dodge Durango with 13k miles. In 2007 I sold that truck with 330k on it. The only real failure was a water pump that had locked up and caused the belt to break. It was a 5.2L V8 and all wheel drive. There was a time when Chrysler made great vehicles.
Hungry-Job-3198@reddit
Dodge/Chrysler was good in the late 80s/90s. Then the neon an or cruisers arrived and blew head gaskets left and right. Their old school magnum V8s were really good. Their hemis are ok, have some issues but ok. Their V6s are horrible, drop valves non stop. Oh and here’s another fun thing. Dodge/chrysler has owed money to their old ECM manufacturer for years and therefore that manufacturer doesn’t support them and you just can’t get them when they fail. I think a couple companies are now producing them. I had a customer with a wrangler who waited for a couple of years because her ECM we ordered for her was on back order.
New-Job1761@reddit
My early 98 Dodge 2500 Ram diesel has over a quarter million miles, several thousand of which pulling a 31 foot Airstream in Colorado and Death Valley. Eats a starter motor about every hundred thousand miles but no other problems with motor. Recently had torque converter replaced in transmission. Same rear end, muffler system. Replaced one ball joint and one tie rod. Cruise control did go out around a quarter million and the fuel gauge in inoperative. Watch the mileage on the trip meter. Been the most dependable vehicle I’ve ever owned but my friend’s 05 Dodge diesel wasn’t nearly as good. I wouldn’t buy a newer one.
unbroken_cycle@reddit
No offense but I think y'all need to do Idrive an Imperial or a Polera. I’d even go with a Cordoba with rich, Corinthian Leather There was a five star moment
aquaticwatcher@reddit
For a l9ng time lclChysler dodge products operated on the principle that the new venerati9n was completely unreliable, but then slowly over a much longer than normal produ t cycle they would get better. Dont know if thats true anymore. Certainly the CEO when Fiat bought them didnt help reliability at all.
larrysdogspot@reddit
My father was a dodge man. The family had a green 1972 Dodge Dart. It had the classic Mopar "slant six" engine. It was bullet proof.
He sold it in 1993, still running. Yes, Chrysler products were good.
BigBowlOfSauerkraut@reddit
I had a Dodge Neon in the late 90s and the thing was tough! I was not kind to it but it kept on ticking!
Cjtorino@reddit
Once upon a time, they built good vehicles
Their Torqueflite transmissions were excellent.
Thereelgerg@reddit
Yes
GBpackerfan15@reddit
No always breaking down. Had Chrysler cars in 90s and were always breaking down. Never again i told myself. Even now they are still poorly made cars.
ThrowRA_looking@reddit
When it was Daimler Chrysler the 300 was an amazing car
Dangerous_Pattern_81@reddit
I’ve owned Dodge and Ram trucks for almost 30 years, and have never had a bad one. I’ve owned 8 of them so far. I usually sell them off at about 150k and buy new. My 06 Mega cab Cummins only has 105k on it, but it never leaves the house without our 5th wheel or gooseneck behind it. I’m 52 now, and this might be the last diesel tow rig I have to buy.
cropguru357@reddit
426 Hemi was quite an engine back in the day.
Icy_Truth_9634@reddit
Absolutely. My father drove a ‘66 Valiant 225 3 speed over 200,000 miles. I think he may have replaced the clutch once. This was when most cars were junk after 100K.
I owned an 84 Dodge Daytona 2.2 with a five speed. Great car. I Owned an 89 Dodge Dakota 3.9 Automatic. Great Truck. I also owned a 2015 Ram 3.6 Automatic. At 120K the camshaft and lifters had to be replaced. I had it repaired and sold it. Maybe I should have kept it, but I didn’t really need it. It was a good truck, but I was disappointed with the cost of the repair. I hope that the brand survives. I’d like to see it come back around. I believe that everything cobbled together these days is a little sketchy. We have come to rely on a tremendous amount of outsourcing with all manufacturers which will certainly cause some issues to be shared by every company.
DetectiveNarrow@reddit
I mean my grandma had Sebring with the 2.7. Supposedly shitty car, but I remember quite a few trouble free trips in it. Died when she gave it to my sister and she fr didn’t know what an oil change was.
Loam_Lover@reddit
I have a ‘69 Road Runner 440 and it f*cking rules
Old-guy64@reddit
Had a ‘92 Voyager.
Put over 200k miles on it. 70k with the first engine rebuild. 140k to the second engine rebuild, and just under 200k for the third.
Thankfully, one of my kids totaled it in an MVA. Can’t say I wasn’t somewhat relieved.
thesockmonkey86@reddit
It depends on what it is.
My sister had a Town & Country and it was decent. She never had any problems out of it. I like to say that jeeps and minivans are the only decent things that Chrysler corporation has ever made. That being said, my brother-in-law‘s family were huge Chrysler people. Up until my brother-in-law‘s dad died they had a first generation intrepid, they had a dynasty at one point, they had a couple of ram conversion vans.
I have an uncle that swears by Dodge trucks. He said a ram for years.
ActuaryFew6884@reddit
My 1987 Plymouth Caravelle was very good. It had two rows of bench seats, got good mpg, and was quite a decent rode
StoneyLaw830@reddit
No! My great grandparents would tell me their Chrysler car fails dating back to the 1940s. Everyone in my family has had problems from a Chrysler at some point or another and the car was always bought out of necessity and price. Avoid them if you can.
SnooCakes8914@reddit
Chrysler is and always has been consistently inconsistent. The good: /6, LA 318 V8, 727 and 904 Torqueflite, 3.8L V6, Hemi 5.7L before MDS. Then you have every transmission since Ultradrive, 2.7L V6, The Neon 2.0L 4 cylinder, Tigershark 4.
cwjk55@reddit
Dodge Charger, Plymouth Road Runner, Dodge Challenger, and Dodge Charger, Plymouth Road Runner, Dodge Challenger, and the Dodge Charger Daytona
Grand_Accountant_159@reddit
I owned my 98 Jeep XJ from 2012 to 2025, bought it for $800 with 260k, learned to DIY repair it with basic hand tools. I will probably never own a vehicle for a decade+ that will be that reliable and cheap , never left me stranded...northeast rust got to it and I had to junk it. My family owned many early 00's Dodge Caravans as well and someone on here called them the cockroaches of the road,100% correct.
GuairdeanBeatha@reddit
I bought a 1974 Plymouth Satellite straight off the show floor. It had less than 10 miles on the odometer. I put 100,000 miles on it with no problems. It didn’t burn or leak oil, and the transmission was solid as a rock. I sold it to my brother in law and even he couldn’t kill it.
There are two problems with modern cars. First, they’re meant to be assembled and sold. Durability and serviceability are at the bottom of the list of priorities. Cut corners and maximize profits. The second problem occurs after it’s delivered to the dealer. Salespeople are encouraged to take a car home to get familiar with it. This often coincides with the phrase “Let’s see what this sumb*itch will do!” The drivetrain has many hard miles on it before any sales paperwork is started. The dealer will assure you that the 150 miles on the odometer don’t matter, and that it’s still a brand new car. That’s what my grandfather would call a steaming shovelful. The last new car I bought had 1 mile on the odometer when I signed the paperwork. My wife, then my younger daughter, then my grandson put nearly 250,000 miles on it and the only problems we encountered were a water pump, and an alternator. I don’t count batteries, tires, and those types of consumables.
as1126@reddit
I traveled for business a lot in the 90’s and I always preferred when I got Chryslers over GM rentals.
HomeOrificeSupplies@reddit
They’ve had some very good drivetrains at times. But in between they’re basically American Kia. Coin flip on how it will go for you. That said, some of the engineering choices they have made at times should be considered downright criminal. Dangerously stupid.
Battle_Intense@reddit
The last time they were on par quality wise with Ford and GM was maybe the 1980s which isn't saying much.
TeamFoulmouth@reddit
Owned Mopar ever since I started driving ('72 plymouth Fury) in 1988. Ive never had a "problem" vehicle from them. 1st actual off the lot new vehicle was a '99 Ram 1500 Sport 4x4. Curently have a '17 Wrangler (140K+miles) and '14 Ram (240K+miles)...general preventive maintenance, and they're still doing just fine. I think most of the hate anymore tends to be about the dealerships.
Intrepidatious@reddit
I was a Ford guy most of my life but I owned multiple 90’s and 00’s Chrysler products and all never had any issues. I switched back to Ford and have had two transmission failures so there’s that.
SkylineFTW97@reddit
I have a soft spot for 90s and early 2000s Mopars. And I don't care what anyone says, the 1st gen Dodge Neon was a good car.
JH_DeepThoughts@reddit
I wouldn’t buy anything from them now, new. I bought a 2017 Challenger as an impulse buy cause I always loved the looks…and actually was very reliable. The Pentastar engine wasn’t perfect and I had the oil cooler leak, but I knew that going in on the “common” issues.
NectarineNo4312@reddit
Good enough and priced right for the working class. The Hyundai/Kia of their day, if you will.
reidft@reddit
Chrysler products have always been dog water. The only upside to the entire company is that their muscle cars looked sick and they managed to get Cummins to build a reliable engine for them.
SanFransicko@reddit
My 1989 Plymouth Voyager LE with the "wood" panels, cloth and vinyl interior, and V6 was awesome. I was 16 and it was freedom. Bet you didn't know they can jump over a sand trap on a golf course...
bkussow@reddit
I own a 2012 200 with 201000 miles on it. What would you like to know?
Equal-Fee770@reddit
I had a 2004 dodge Dakota crew cab 4.7 v8 auto 4x4. At 220,xxx miles my front axle snapped and I carefully drove it to the scrap yard. Great motor and 04 is the first year for the better 5 speed automatic of the 2000’s. I’d get another in a heart beat. It just rotted through cuz it lived its whole life in the north east
Winter-Item4335@reddit
Not since the 1960’s I was always amazed at the crap Dodge and Chrysler sold year after year and how people continued to buy there junk. My dad was one of them of course he always bought used and by price which explains how we ended up with them. There was nothing good about the good old days as far as cars are concerned
Humunguspickle@reddit
Only problem I’ve had is the mystery electrical gremlins. Thank god for you tube and the forums.
Mr-Blackheart@reddit
Good, not really, but they used to be able to compete. I was a kid in the 80s when the k platform saved the company and the first cab forward cars really were their chance to change the game, they had momentum and some interesting concepts in the mid-late 90s, but when that Mercedes merger happened and then the carcass was picked up by FCA outa bankrupt, the company was truly dead by that point.
Hell, they discontinued the 300 a few years back and that thing was still riding in a modified Mercedes platform that was over 20 years old at that point.
I doubt the Chrysler nameplate lives on much longer. I’m kinda surprised they updated the van, as that was pretty much a rental fleet special and bet it continues to be going forward.
GlobalTapeHead@reddit
I’ve owned two, a 2006 Chrysler 300 and a 2013 Dodge Charger. They were both very reliable cars. I still have the Charger and it’s been trouble free.
BeepoZbuttbanger@reddit
I had a ‘97 Dodge Stratus that I absolutely loved….except for a transmission that needed a second rebuild at 120k. I couldn’t afford a rebuild every 40k miles and got rid of it. Had a ‘98 Grand Voyager, same thing. Have not owned nor even considered a Chrysler product since.
westleysnipes604@reddit
The caravans used to be the best on the market in the 90's.
bfjt4yt877rjrh4yry@reddit
The older Chrysler products are, the better they are. Definitely an oversimplified statement but yeah. I drive a 2003 Lexus LS430, a 2001 Sequoia, and a 1992 Subaru. Never broke down. Ever. Oh, and the combined mileage for all 3 cars is about 850,000. No joke.
The_Good_Constable@reddit
I could be mistaken but I don't think any of those are Chrysler vehicles.
bfjt4yt877rjrh4yry@reddit
If you actually had the attention span to read the entire post, the last paragraph is all about Toyota and Japanese reliability. Trying to make others look stupid usually has the opposite effect LOL
throwawayurmom16901@reddit
you must have missed a sentence or something when typing it out because you talked about chrysler then immediately started talking about Japanese cars for seemingly no reason.
I don't disagree with you but your comment was very unclear.
The_Good_Constable@reddit
bro what the hell are you even talking about
RareCareer7666@reddit
I've heard a lot of people older than me talk about how reliable the slant 6 was but besides from I don't recall them ever being that great but not that bad either. My first car was a Plymouth neon and I put it through some serious abuse and it never let me down.
Illustrious-Art-7465@reddit
Oh yea, they used to make some good shit. Even until the 2000s, the problem is the scat pack charger in 2025 running the same 6.4 they used 20 years ago while somehow every other feature got worse
ratchet_thunderstud0@reddit
The 2.4 was a dog. The inline 4 is about indestructible. You can argue that it isn't a Dodge motor since it goes all the way back to the AMC days, but there ya go.
sceez@reddit
The original 300M was a legit vehicle
Advanced_Tackle_9723@reddit
The worst vehicle I've ever owned was my 2005 Jeep Wrangler 6 speed, 4.0. Too many problems to count. But the transmission needed total rebuilds in 36k miles. The fan clutch disintegrated and through the fan through the radiator at 20k, the d35 spider gears ate themselves at 9k on 31s. Theres more...
I had a 1996 Dodge Ram 2500 Cummins 4x4. Every part NOT made by Chrysler was fantastic! Then the dang truck fell apart around those good parts. The engine, transmission, t case, and axles are not made by Chrysler so they're fine.
Today I drive a 1998 Jeep Wrangler 3 speed, 4.0. Its been great! Got it last year with 32k miles on it, replaced a few things that were bad due to age, and after 10k miles this year, no complaints. Its been great for me.
Other people, who've had good Chrysler products, seem to have the older, simpler stuff.
P.S. The absolute second worst vehicle I ever owned was a 1998 Toyota Tacoma 4x4, 5 speed, 3.4v6. It was a headache. The IFS was a nightmare needed total rebuild at 67k miles. It rode terrible off road. My CJ5 rode better...my Toyota buddy was even a little pissed about it when he rode in the CJ. Also, I never liked the thin bedside and cheap feel. I will not even look at another Toyota. Had it been reliable, I still would've sold it.
That being said my buddy in college had a 2001 Taco, same truck basically, and it was great. Rode terrible, but reliable and could really go places!
Point is, you win some, you lose some.
wpmason@reddit
Jeep especially has always had reliability issues because they used to be purpose-built off-road vehicles.
They had 2 solid axles and generally rode terribly.
As more and more electrical accessories got added over the years, there were simply more and more electrical issues that would develop from the harsh bouncing and vibrations.
It’s one of those things where packaging appealing feature sets (like modern electronics) on a rough and tumble off-roader just don’t mesh well together.
But they were just too damn popular not to offer.
Friz_Poop@reddit
There have been select Chrysler products over its long history that were good or at least fun, but they've never been consistently reliable as a brand, broadly, no.
CanadianTrump420Swag@reddit
I owned a used 2006 Chrysler 300 that I put maybe 250K KM on with 0 issues. Bought it with 100K on it. Fixed the heater core in my driveway was the only thing because the heat was weak. Sold drugs for years in that thing, ended up selling it at 350K KM.
So yes, some Chrysler vehicles arent bad. And some people get lucky with bad ones.
spider1178@reddit
I've put more work into my current Toyota in 3 or 4 years for smaller things than I did into my old Jeep in the 11 years I had it. But when the Jeep broke, it was always major and without warning.
Motor_Arugula_4282@reddit
I’m an 80s kid, I remember a friend’s mom bought him a Plymouth Sundance and it caught fire and burned to the ground when it was a few months old
Manic_Mini@reddit
In the 90s and early 00s they were great.
RoundChampionship840@reddit
My grandfather always spoke highly of his 1939 Chrysler Royal.
swangdb@reddit
My 1972 Dodge Coronet w/318 was a solid car. It burned a lot of gas (12 mpg) but I wish i hadn’t sold in the early 1980s. If I’d kept it then, I probably wouldn’t have it now. Maybe if it’d had a slant-6, it wouldn’t have burned as much gas.
Fun_Muscle9399@reddit
They’ve been dogshit for at least 30 years now
Ejmct@reddit
No.
Responsible_Gap7592@reddit
1970 Plymouth Gran Fury with 383c.i engine. As a teenage boy, I beat the living shit out of it and it never failed me
spirosand@reddit
Before Mercedes bought them they were the worst of the big 3, but we're adequate, and occasionally really inspired and cleverly engineered.
After the purchase they have been bad.
Pragmatic_disciplin@reddit
Slant 6 was a bulletproof engine in its day, but that day was a very, very long time ago
IWuzTheWalrus@reddit
The 1970s Slant-6 225 Mopar engine, before catalytic converters was a monster. You could not kill it. Plymouth Valiants and Dodge Darts galore were made with it. They lasted right up to cash-for-clunkers. A college girlfriend bought one for $800 in 1983. Crank windows, manual brakes and manual steering. The ultimate inexpensive first car.
Colonel460@reddit
I’d say you need to see Mr. Peabody & get him to use the Wayback Machine . The days of only a PCV as emission controls . Say anything from 1965- 1971 with a 225 slant 6 or a 318 . Decent cars . Pollution controls ruined them and the Japanese imports destroyed them .
murpheeslw@reddit
Nope
Interesting-Dingo994@reddit
I owned an early 00’s XJ (Cherokee). It was a reliable, capable tank.
cshmn@reddit
The thing about Chrysler (Stellantis) is that they make a lot of really good cars and some really bad cars. They're not Toyotas, but I wouldn't rank them any higher or lower than GM or Ford honestly. For every horrible engine, transmission or model Chrysler put out over the years, I could point to an equivalent pos from Ford, GM, VW, BMW, Mercedes....
Honda and Toyota have really shitty dealers in my area. I own a RAM pickup (it's been great) and the dealer I bought it from gave me a sweetheart deal on a new 2024 Compass for my wife's car. It ticked all the boxes and drove relatively well, so I bought it.
So far, no regerts. I'm up to 60,000 miles and it's been flawless. Unstoppable in snow with the fwd based 4x4, fuel efficient with enough power to get out of its own way and quite comfortable for my 6'3" frame while being easy to park for trips to the city. These 2.0 gme engines have been out for awhile and seem to be more or less fine and the 8 speed (I think it's a Hyundai transmission) seems to be alright as well.
Older compasses were not good cars. Cheaply made and miserably slow, also very unreliable with a Jatco CVT. They seem to have learned their lesson for the most part with the new one.
rdadeo@reddit
Yep. But not recently.
The 60's and 70's saw tone of the greatest cockroach engines of all time. The "slant 6". Google it. It was never a great performer, but it was durable as all hell.
As for cars:
The early 60's Chrysler 300 "Letters" . These redefined beauty in a difficult era. Late 60' Barracuda, charger, challenger, the legendary Daytona, early 70's Plymouth Sebring etc etc. the Jeep 4.0 can be included as well. The Trucks with that first Cummins Diesel in it, gawd those things are still running at close to a million km. I personally know 2 guys with over 700000 km on em.
But. I am gonna throw 2 more out there that are gonna be sketchy picks.
The K-cars and the gen1 Caravans. Were they good? Gawd no, they were awful. Absolutely terrible vehicles, but they were what the people at that time needed. Cheap, fuel efficient, and available.
But since then? Nope. I don't think they have made a "Good Car" at any point in the modern era. Yes i include the entire jeep and Ram lineup. It's a question of modern build quality and they just don't have it.
Cranks_No_Start@reddit
I have owned a few Chrysler “things” over the years but nothing newer than the 90s. My wife lives her old 91 Wrangler with the 4.0 it’s like fixing legos.
Stackson212@reddit
A '91 Wrangler would still have mostly AMC DNA and very little Chrysler yet.
Cranks_No_Start@reddit
Thank God…probably why it’s lasted so long.
YeahIGotNuthin@reddit
The slant 6 dodge dart / Plymouth valiant of the 1960s and 1970s was unkillable. So was the 318 / 360 small block, and the 440 big block.
The k-car of the 1980s was the first American modern sedan, fwd and unibody and efficient and pleasant to drive. And they built a larger vehicle on that platform, one that carried a suburban’s worth of passengers and had a sliding door like a van, but still drove like a car and took up space like a car - the first minivan.
NBA-014@reddit
I’m 66. I never considered any of their cars.
Stellantis has destroyed them, IMHO.
Substantial_Yak_6332@reddit
No
Bulky_Employ_4259@reddit
Ram 1500 and 2500 are probably their most reliable vehicles but I still don’t think they are really on Ford GM’s level. Their products have always been cooler than they are good.
Brilliant-Onion2129@reddit
Maybe back in the late 60s early 70s not since. Especially in the Stellantis era, crap product and not caring at all about their customers!
superstud666fromhell@reddit
I had two e58 360 engine police interceptors one a Dodge Aspen the other a Plymouth volare. Chrysler made great cop cars back in the day
No-Housing-1004@reddit
They’re like chevrolet. I think a lot of peoples’ family members worked in a plant and it became a tradition to buy them because of that. Also something something support local american economy something.
Proctor20@reddit
Chrysler was known for engineering genius in the 40s and 50s.
edthebuilder5150@reddit
Im happy with my 21' 300.
DoctorSquibb420@reddit
Pre 1968 mostly
No-Road-9176@reddit
My grandpa had a new Yorker with a 440 in it when I was a kid. Don't know about the reliability of it but I remember it being a cool car.
Agile_Session_3660@reddit
Yes, they were basically up there with Cadillac up until the 70s. They fell off hard after the 60s. The original Chrysler 300 from the 50s was an incredible car, and pre-war they also made really high end cars.
1453_@reddit
I am old enough to remember my parent's brand new 1982 Dodge Aries K. I still harbor resentment towards any Chrysler product.
totallyjaded@reddit
I've owned four. Two were really good, and probably not coincidentally, weren't pure Chrysler motors. My Shadow with the Mitsubishi V6 was great, and so was my Grand Cherokee with the old AMC I6.
My Avenger with the i4 Neon engine was a complete flaming pile. My Charger with a 5.7 Hemi was okay, but I sold it almost immediately after the warranty ran out, because it was giving me reasons to think it wouldn't keep being okay.
Having mostly owned Japanese brands over the past 20 years (the Charger being an exception), I can't say I'm terribly impressed with them. I had a Lancer that was awesome, but Mitsubishi stopped selling them. I had an Outback that spent more time at the dealership than in my driveway. A Forester whose transmission shit the bed at about 70k miles. And a TLX that's had more electrical failures and "Acuras just do that" from dealers than I'd expect, given Honda's reputation.
TheLastGenXer@reddit
amc 4.0 inline 6.
and 2nd gen minivans
Brilliant_Account_31@reddit
Can't go wrong with a tractor motor.
gonerwon@reddit
Not in my lifetime. Maybe in the pre 1960 era? All it ever took for me to tell they lack quality was just touching them. Stick the key in the door - ew, mushy feel. Open the door - cheap and thin. Sit on the seat - no support but not cushioned either. Drive it - a ton of understeer that just makes me want to punish them.
good-day-now@reddit
Pontiac vibe..oh wait
Baldemyr@reddit
I think they really were pretty good in the past. Never perfect of course but comparative. I know the K series cars look terrible but were pretty rugged and I've owned two Chargers. Both of which have been great. Also- they did create the minivan. I own a handi equipped 2017 caravan and it's a great design for what it's built to do. We are facing repairs now but it's at 260k km. ALL the pos dodges and chevies and Fords I've own have been better then the other car I own- a 2017 Infinity QX50
corporaterebel@reddit
They were great in 1950 and 1960.
Civil-Departure-512@reddit
I’ve had 3 Chrysler products. A 2010 Wrangler, 04 Town&Country and 2012 Town&Country. The only one that was unreliable was the 04. The Wrangler was one of my most reliable vehicles I’ve had and that’s compared to the Scion iM I had right after it. I’d buy another Wrangler in a heartbeat.
Ok-Lavishness-7904@reddit
The Slant 6 was a long time ago…
fertile_gnome@reddit
My '72 Dodge Coronet pleads Nolo Contendere
DrDirt90@reddit
The new ones are garbage. My mechanic call them bottom tier vehicles.
Dirtyace@reddit
4.0 AMC motor in the Wrangler and Xj are legendary.
Tuques@reddit
The number of good chrysler products vastly outnumbers the bad one. Just like every manufacturer.
birdsofanassfeather@reddit
No.