Just got the email this morning…
Posted by rolisrntx@reddit | GenX | View on Reddit | 944 comments
Got an email from HR… Early retirement offer:
1) Severance is one year’s salary.
2) One year’s COBRA coverage.
3) Pro-rated payout of 2026 bonus.
I’m 60 years old. I have a call into my money manager to get his input. I didn’t think I was going to get one at this age but it was to every employee 50 yrs old amd older. Company is likely to be sold if not this year then next year. Has anyone taken a similar offer around my age and how are you doing? Around 540K in IRA and salary is currently low 6 figures.
Grimaldehyde@reddit
How are people supposed to work until 70, as so many say (in order to save social security), if they’re getting furloughed at 50, or even worse, at 60? Who would hire you at 60?
anonymouscog@reddit
That's why I 'retired' early. Sickly & in your 60s is not a good time to job hunt
neoncitylife@reddit
If you wait twenty years, you can apply to be president… 😜
JNACLAN@reddit
My sister just got a new job at 68…so there is hope.
djones5176@reddit
Oddly enough, I was hired full time at 60. Then at 62, cancer struck so I retired. But I met with a fiduciary to run the numbers and make she were safe.
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
Quite the paradox huh?
Grimaldehyde@reddit
Absolutely
dutchhopeDJ1@reddit
Find out what you’ll have to pay for health insurance after cobra ends until you are 65 and can get Medicare. The health insurance costs can be staggering between 60 to 65.
GrundleWilson@reddit
Or just find an adequate job with health insurance.
Roy4Pris@reddit
Just?
DistinctWelder655@reddit
Get those GD ROTH conversions out of the way before you turn 63!!!!!!!!!! IRMAA surcharges for Medicare start with a two year look back.
ItsM3Again@reddit
I definitely need more information on this!
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YGTBKM62@reddit
Absolutely…
Meh_Cook_Grump@reddit
I know nothing about this and I still live paycheck to paycheck. My concern for you is the bridge between now and full retirement age. It may cost you a bundle to make it to FRA for social security. I admire your spirit to follow your dream. Trucking is tough. We always need truckers but things are tough now with these fuel prices. I would drive out to a truck stop and start asking drivers what they think. Those will be your peers one day. Hopefully they will speak useful truths to you. Good luck!
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
I have a sister who works in the industry. I think she is a load broker. She gave me lots of options of driving jobs that does involve driving all 48 states that pay decent. She also said it depends on the trucking company too. Some treat their drivers better than others. For instance, she says they always pay the company $35hr if the truck has to sit in the yard more than hour to load or unload at a dock. The good companies share that money with their drivers. However, a lot of them don’t.
ReindeerWestern4258@reddit
My mom got that offer but got medical coverage until Medicare instead of severance
What ever you do make sure it’s bankruptcy proof
Rand_74@reddit
I have a good friend. He’s 52. He just went into trucking. He’s happy with it.
drumming4coffee@reddit
If the company is going to be sold, then you are likely to end up out of a job within the next couple years regardless. Polish your resume, take the offer asap, and hit the job market immediately, before hundreds of your coworkers do the same.
FarCompote4@reddit
THIS! they won't make the offer in a year. take it now.
WideAntelope4586@reddit
There is a huge shortage in my truck drivers, and even more so for hard working ones. Dont fo through a school, most trucks now are automatic and can even be class B license if you want to stay local. Good luck and congratulations. If you are in Norcal reach out I need drivers....
BoulderNerd@reddit
Isn’t 18 months COBRA mandatory? Or can that vary?
quigonskeptic@reddit
I think he's talking about the company paying for COBRA, and then he can continue paying for it after that
Slimy_Wog@reddit
Cobra was expensive for me. There are cheaper alternatives. I went with Medishare until I could go Medicare. I also was able to VA health benefits due to a service connected disability (tinittus}.
Grimaldehyde@reddit
COBRA is expensive. But at 50 or 60, it would be crazy not to have it.
Slimy_Wog@reddit
There are cheaper alternatives, if you look. Try Obamacare and call some insurance companies to see what they would cost. Medishare was about 60% less than Cobra for me.
joanmcq@reddit
Medishare isn’t insurance though.
scouter@reddit
If you take the offer, your financial shock will come in a year when COBRA runs out and Medicare has yet to kick in. Look closely at medical insurance costs. Not saying to stay on, just to keep your eyes open.
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
Yes. I am aware of the health insurance gap looking at ways to bridge or mitigate it.
joanmcq@reddit
If your income is low enough, ACA insurance is a lifesaver. My husband & I had it and paid a high of $25/mo. with the subsidies. As low as 0. Our income was about 398% of federal poverty level. We had shitty bronze plans, really just in case something bad happened, and paid copays for prescriptions and doctors visits. Got Medicare last year and are living well now.
ShaizeLong@reddit
Maybe you can negotiate an extra year of coverage
whatsupgrizzlyadams@reddit
Take it! Get another job
joanmcq@reddit
Yeah, who’s hiring 60 year olds?
NomadicPurple@reddit
The trucking industry is collapsing, don’t do it! Get an RV if you want to wander the roads. Good luck with your retirement decisions.
Ardara@reddit
Truck drivers are desperately needed everywhere, at least in Indiana
mrmister76@reddit
Take the money and run
Firewood645@reddit
Super generous, I received a nice severance but got killed on taxes. They paid a lump sum for Cobra which was taxed as income. In hindsight I would have qualify for Medicaid and/or ACA at a much better cost than keeping cobra
Houseleek1@reddit
This reminds me that the OP needs to get some perspective on taxes. People forget all about them.
BestaKnows@reddit
My ACA plan was 4 times my new employer plan. ACA plan only offered me discounts -except cash for scripts was better. By the time I expect Medicare, premium for Part B (doctor visits) will be close to my current (employer) plan. It never ends
Infamous-Yak2864@reddit
Was in a similar situation. Took the payout (not as generous as yours). Also had ~$400k in 401k. Had a lot of equity in house and got a reverse mortgage. I realize they aren't for everyone, but it's all worked out great!
Impossible_Cat_321@reddit
Very nice exit. I'm hoping for a vsp(voluntary separation package) in 2029 when I'm planning to retire. (Or 2028 would be fine as well). We offer one year salary, paid healthcare for the year you are removed and the following, as well as 2 years pension credit. It would be icing on a great cake but a girl can dream
ParticularMost6100@reddit
I’m 63 and praying for what you’ve been offered. Take it and don’t look back!
branmaast@reddit
Bro, you graduated high school in / around 1992. Stop talking like you’re an old man. All will be fine.
Embarrassed-Point801@reddit
Math not your strong suit
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
Graduated 1984.
branmaast@reddit
Sorry, read incorrectly. Either way, you’re better off than many. Still young, never too late to pivot. Take everything you can get, take the payout and all benefits, ride unemployment and retool. Every day is a gift.
txtaco_vato@reddit
i'm 52 and would take it
CaChica@reddit
Shout out to this whole crew. Good luck to OP.
Uriarte69@reddit
They system is broke. You can access my 401K at 59.5. Start getting Social Security at 62, but can't get medicare until 65? Those numbers all need to align. Good luck with whatever you choose.
adubyal@reddit
Actually, if you leave the company you can access your 401k at 55yo without penalty. Not always the best plan though.
Uriarte69@reddit
Didn't realize that. So at 59.5, does that mean I can stay with the company and access it? Not that I'd want to.
adubyal@reddit
Yes.
Armand5005@reddit
I’m 63, I’d take that deal in a second.
snotick@reddit
I was working for a company about 10 years ago. There were rumors that they were in financial trouble, but nothing official.
One day, they cleared out about 15% of the corporate staff. Mostly VPs and Directors. They all got nice severance packages. Two months later, they announced they were filing for bankruptcy. We had 90's, no severance, nothing.
Take the money and run.
PlantSufficient6531@reddit
^^ this ^^
You may be getting a nice heads up and a ‘thank you for your service’ nod and a wink. TAKE IT.
HoochieKoochieMan@reddit
51 here. I do IT for small biotech companies. I've been downsized 4 times in the last 5 years. Sometimes first round, sometimes I'm the last to shut off the lights.
Take the money and start looking for your next gig. It's better to be offered a seat on the first lifeboat than to go down with the ship.
PlantSufficient6531@reddit
The early severance packages are so much more generous than the later ones.
Psychological-Elk220@reddit
Read the COBRA information carefully by law they have to offer COBRA but they don't have to fund it as if you were still do you could end paying your portion and your employers portion plus a 2% administration fee.
Impressive-Safety191@reddit
One year COBRA, or one year subsidized COBRA? There is a very big difference. Those benefits can be hella expensive and could almost wipe out the severance.
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
It’s subsidized. According to HR whatever premiums I’m paying via payroll deduction ~$130/mo would continue and the company would pay the rest for a year.
Impressive-Safety191@reddit
Oh wow! That would be hard to turn down…
SassyFace1919@reddit
I had a very similar situation where my company offered me an early retirement package in 2020 (I was 56). I made, like OP, a salary of low six figures and they offered an 18 month severance package. Big difference here - at the time of hire, healthcare was part of retirement (premium the same as when I was working - right now for spouse and I, I pay $170/month). It’s a high deductible, high OOP coverage, but it’s working well until Medicare kicks in. Once I’m on Medicare, my company offers retirement premium credits to help offset Medicare premiums. I’m 62 now. We invested well (approaching $2m now), I have a pension and we are both drawing social security. My husband retired 3 years ago after double hip surgery from owning his own contracting business. The severance package allowed us to pay off our mortgage and a car payment. It sounds like you’re in a decent position to take the deal and retire, and hopefully you’ll find a good way to gap the bridge to Medicare! Good luck to you!
Flembot4@reddit
GenX is really getting pummeled from all sides.
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
They probably think they just get by with lazy young uns and AI. They’ll find out otherwise amd ny them it will be too late. We’ll be in our second childhoods and still drinking from a garden hose.
Poundingthepita@reddit
Actually not a great offer. 33% of year end bonus, 1 year salary probably 90k after taxes. 1 year of paid cobra. So I’m assuming no pension or Medical in retirement. So early social security at 62 available. Medicare at 65. If you go by 4% withdrawal rule. That’s only $20,000 a year before taxes. Is the company profitable? Are you pretty sure sold and not close down. Are you solid in the company, meaning if they downsize after the sale. Pretty sure you’ll have a job with new company. Also is your house paid off? Does your spouse’s have a good job Can you jump on her medical?
Wonderful-Victory947@reddit
A great offer as compared to being cut loose with no offer.
Poundingthepita@reddit
That’s why im asking him if he’s solid at his company. Does he think the new owners will keep him. Of course if he doesn’t take package and get cut obviously should have took package. Just doesn’t seem like financially he ready to retire.
Wonderful-Victory947@reddit
401K is kind of 5 taking social security early is not always the greatest idea.
famousgranny@reddit
Heck yeah! What a deal!
Bob_12_Pack@reddit
Just the fact that you have a money manager says to me that you will be fine.
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
The funny thing is I just onboarded with him a month ago and I am already asking him if I can retire.
AaBk2Bk@reddit
Hey now.
RobbleRobbler@reddit
I bet he keeps his Day Job…
worththinking@reddit
take it. New owners may call you back in as a consultant "to understand the procedures" and to tap your institutional knowledge so keep in touch with the left behinds and let people know you are available for consulting gigs
WiburCobb@reddit
This..
Dependent-Actuator17@reddit
If the Health Insurance you have is good, I would jump on it. Depending on what you do for a living, the job market is really bad at the moment. Worst I have seen since the recession of 1991. Take the money and run, because you have no idea what the new owners might be like.
Difficult-Future-450@reddit
My neighbor just went through this. Her sister moved in to help split bills. She is ecstatic.
Excellent-Service823@reddit
I’m in the middle of accepting just such an offer and am in my late 50’s. Happy for them to pave the way for my exit vs getting laid off for downsizing in the future. I may work elsewhere later but they are paying for my R&R break!
Life-Vast-617@reddit
It's legit, and it's very common. They want people to retire early to get them off the payroll. If they need to ax jobs
allaboutaphie@reddit
TAKE IT!!! Work part time or whatever you want tell full retirement age.
mitnosnhoj@reddit
I was paying over $30,000 per year for Health Care Marketplace coverage for my wife and I in the years before Medicare. Make sure your savings can handle that rate of spend.
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
Yeah. This is the pause point. My wife is eligible for Medicare in two years. The health insurance costs is the big hurdle.
My boss mentioned if they hired me as a contractor they would want me to go through a certain staffing agency. I’m not sure if that would work for me. I have other potential companies I could consult for.
uprightyew@reddit
If the company has more than 20 employees, COBRA coverage is a minimum 18 months and extensions to 27 months are not unusual. You'll pay 100% of the premium (notable if your employer was paying some portion) and it usually is increased to 102% but not more.
MimimalZucchini@reddit
So, #1 if they are getting ready to sell, it's now or then. #2 this gives you options. I.personally would take.it.
MarcoEsteban@reddit
I'm 3 months from being 59. I just asked if they'd let me go and give me a severance, but nooo, they are trying to make me quit with 5 in office days and a 2-2.5 hr. Commute, each way. Y salary is a bit higher than yours and my retirement accounts have a bit higher balance, but given that we tend to adjust our spending based on our salary, our situations are probably quite similar.
I've been with my company 30 years, but because there was a 6 year break (they sold my team and I came back 5 years ago), the regular severance policy would give me only like 3-4 months in a normal lay off scenario.
Did they offer a full year to all the over 60 population regardless of tenure?
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
Well it breaks down as 1.5 weeks salary for every year of service plus another 16 weeks of salary for a maximum of 52 weeks. I would have been with the company 28 years in August. I would max out with 53 weeks.
MarcoEsteban@reddit
Gotcha, my company is similar (if you're in the US, you know the company - very big bank). When they sold my department, I had almost 22 years at my current employer, which would have given me the 52 weeks as well. The 6 years away broke that connection, and any severance I receive will be. calculated by when I came back 5 years ago. So, while I have 27 total years at the company, they would treat me as if I only had 5 for severance purposes.
So, I was wondering if your company calculated it for each person or just gave everyone a year. Our two companies sound like they have similar policies, so whatever yours does might be done by mine. Sounds like it was calculated out.
Thanks for the explanation!
winter-14@reddit
Serious question. How do I know, or gently ask if my company is offering any Early Retirement deals?
Every_Holiday_1534@reddit
I am not an expert and this is only anecdotal - but i have seen folks on here that talked to a trusted manager. Sometimes managers shield their team from cuts, not realizing that some in their team are interested in being part of a downsize.
winter-14@reddit
Thanks for your input.
RushRealistic4816@reddit
This is a fantastic offer. I would fake this so fast your head would spin. I’m in my early 50s.
maryjayjay@reddit
That's a great offer. I work for Oracle and they just laid off 30,000 people. The severance package in the US was 2 weeks let's pay plus one week for every year you've been working there and one month of Cobra.
No_Row6741@reddit
Yikes! That is really crummy for a company that size.
maryjayjay@reddit
Yes, yes it is.
penney777@reddit
Take it for sure. Most companies would not offer anywhere near what you were.
thatlineinshrimp@reddit
I'm. 46 and I'd take that in a heart beat and go fishing 🤷
Uriarte69@reddit
The job market for a 46 year old is a lot different than the market for a 60 year old
thatlineinshrimp@reddit
I hate my job I would just deal with it anything is better than where I'm at 🤷
SnooShortcuts3961@reddit
Speak to a lawyer. But it's also a great opportunity to get paid while you spend 100% of your time planning your next professional stage. Or maybe you want to retire? Or work part-time only? Or...??
Professional-Ad2849@reddit
I would also consult a lawyer in addition to your financial advisor. How long have you been at this job? What if you say nah to this offer? My point is if you’ve been at this job for > 10 years you may be looking at more severance etc. I’m in Canada however so things are likely quite a bit different here. But I would be expecting a severance of at minimum one month per year of service.
pocketdare@reddit
I was laid off when I was 51 (am 55 now). I took a similar package. I decided to start my own little business which is doing at best moderately well, but it pays some bills and I had some decent savings. Critically, I've managed to keep my overall savings level pretty constant without social security so that makes me feel significantly more confident.
crazdtow@reddit
Same thing here but not yet 55 lol and agree cobra is crazy-I took the employer paid insurance offered for like a year then took the risk of being uninsured for a while and avoided hospitals and doctors which I didn’t care for anyway, I was so stressed out and worried yet have been surprised how much less I spend by not working every day I guess with gas, lunches, clothes all of which must’ve really added up. I’m a single woman and have made out ok so far after a year and some change
tcd5552002@reddit
My COBRA is cheaper than market rate, so it depends where you live!
GalegoBaiano@reddit
Sorry that this is happening to you in the Shitty Age Window: too young to retire if you aren’t financially ready, and too old to get hired because many companies are looking for the younger hires to exploit.
Ask if there is wiggle room on the insurance. But without knowing anything about your financial position, I would say to take the offer with some caveats: 1. The insurance - can coverage extended to 18 months? 2. The pay - is it possible for it to be paid out biweekly for a year, or must it be in a single lump sum? 3. Ask you can still qualify for Unemployment Benefits 4. Ask for a letter of recommendation you can send when the next employer asks for references.
Lastly, at 60, you’d be very much considered a Senior Position or a Subject Matter Expert. Exploit that. A former federal employee friend of mine was fired by DOGE last year, and basically went to her biggest contractors and got a job with them after 8 months of looking, saying she was an SME because she had 17 years of experience doing that work
crazdtow@reddit
You should certainly be eligible for unemployment benefits although if you file for them immediately it’s a little more complicated bc of the severance pay but you certainly can file right away to be done with that paperwork and process, I personally waited until my severance ended because I wanted to get ongoing payments longer and that too worked out fine. It was simply a matter of you are let go for no reason of your own.
GeminiGenXGirl@reddit
This is way! You present yourself as an “expert” since you have so many years experience, do consulting too!!
alvb@reddit
These are some great suggestions; especially the pay request - that will really save you a ton in taxes and help keep you on a budget.
Sadly, it is a good reminder to all of us to make sure we meet with a money manager (or similar type) to make sure we are all on track. I just reminded my accountant after the insanity of tax season is over, I want to meet with his partner and do a review.
draggar@reddit
No one ever talks about age discrimination. Well, people do, but no one listens.
As for your situation - I've been laid off a couple of times and severance wasn't taxed as income, it was taxed as a bonus - take this to heart (and maybe talk to a professional about this) and it can affect unemployment benefits (but you can get signed up right away and use the resources - just your payments will be delayed).
But - it also sounds like you may not have a choice especially if the company might be sold. Do the math - can you afford it? Would working 1-2 days a week (or a per-diem position?) help doing something local (or something you enjoy doing)? For all you know it could be a blessing in disguise.
FruitPug@reddit
What do you mean, taxed as a bonus and not income? Isn't a bonus taxed as income?
narcissistssuck@reddit
Bonuses are taxed as supplemental income, at a higher rate than normal income.
FruitPug@reddit
Withheld differently, but doesn't it all count as income on your 1040? (If in US.)
narcissistssuck@reddit
Yes, but if you're expecting 1k on your paycheck and get 700, it can be disconcerting. Source: 12 years in payroll, getting those angry phone calls.
arisingspiritnow@reddit
Payroll is a ventless job. Have you ever noticed that people call up to complain that their paycheck is wrong, but they never call to state that it’s right.
crazdtow@reddit
Yup did payroll for 25 years and heard everyone’s woes during tax season as if I was their financial adviser suddenly lol
narcissistssuck@reddit
I wrote a whole rant about it, and Lewis Black actually read it at one of his live shows. One of the highlights of my life!
I always found it interesting that everyone would visit and say, "Payroll! Wow! We need to bring you chocolate!" I would smile and agree, and I would NEVER see them again. No one cares until it breaks or something goes wrong.
FruitPug@reddit
I'm not disagreeing with you, just that it's not taxed (for the year) at a different percentage rate than one's other income. Source: received bonuses for 35 years.
narcissistssuck@reddit
Yes, I agreed with you.
Reader47b@reddit
Correct. Bonuses are taxed the same as your salary or any other earned income. The IRS withholds a flat 22%, but that may be more or less than what you actually owe. Come tax filing time, it will be sorted out, and you will either get a refund or have to pay more.
crazdtow@reddit
My severance was paid like my regular paychecks until it ran out. I guess others get one lump sum? I’m kinda glad it was paid the way it was.
nwgray@reddit
Bonuses are taxed at a flat 22%. Income is taxed based on your tax bracket.
arisingspiritnow@reddit
Severance is taxed the same as income when you file out taxes. What you are trying to say is that the company withheld taxes at a higher rate than the way they withheld held the taxes from your paycheck. The tax you will owe will be the same as if you earned it via a paycheck, you will just have to collect it when you file next year. Although if you get a years salary on top of what you earned, you could move up tax brackets. Also keep in mind, if you get another job, you can adjust your withholding to make sure you collect back the extra amount with held from the severance. People think it is taxed when it is just withheld. You can do the math and figure out your income for next years taxes. Well some profitable stock since the withholding is already done.
FruitPug@reddit
Taxes are withheld at 22%. But it all counts as income and is ultimately taxed at the same rate for the year.
nwgray@reddit
True. I was referring to the withheld tax on the next paycheck.
ClumbsyVulture@reddit
I'm sorry that this happened to you, the layoff that is. The one year salary severance is pretty generous. I feel like if my company let me go right now they would only do like a weeks salary for every year you worked. But looks like yours was more of a retirement one.
crazdtow@reddit
I got a year as well but was with the company for 20+ years and only 50 years old, I realized immediately it wasn’t so much a choice as much as a here’s a way to soften your landing after you get booted so I took it very seriously immediately.
kuntrycidd@reddit
I retired at 59 without all of that. My pension kicked in but not a great amount. In 2 years you can collect ssi if you don’t find another job. You just need to decide if you want to
crazdtow@reddit
How to you figure you can collect SSI unless you’re disabled? Maybe im missing something
emdentremont@reddit
I think they mean regular Soc Security at 62. SSI for elderly folk doesn't become available until 65 and has plenty of caveats
BoringOrange678@reddit
You have to ask yourself what happens if you refuse the offer. Will you get laid off regardless? Job market sucks especially for our gen. Also have to look at what you have in retirement already.
crazdtow@reddit
Exactly when this happened to me at 50 it was more of this is what’s happening regardless so would you like some compensation or not and of course I’d rather not be in the situation to begin with but that’s not on the list of options so the next best thing for me was giving a counter offer which worked out pretty well. After the severance ended I was able to get unemployment for an additional 26 weeks also
BubblesUp42@reddit
I would take that in an instant but the health care is the big consideration.
dies_irae-dies_illa@reddit
So true. The 1 year of cobra costs being covered is nice. But, 4 years of ACA before medicare is gross. At 60, could be 2-3k a month spend (depending if he is covering spouse). I am looking forward to early retirement, but not this part.
FormCheck655321@reddit
☝️ this
bibkel@reddit
Cobra SUCKS, so I suggest getting another job of some sort-prioritizingmedical coverage. Other than that I say BYE FELICIA!
crazdtow@reddit
I took my chances and denied cobra bc I was not paying for that on top of a job loss at 50 years old.
vixenlion@reddit
Very true !
callalind@reddit
It's a good package, but as someone in the world of law, if it's literally everyone over 50 (or 40, by law) there might be a class action opportunity where you can get more (if the company has the means). I know those laws are a bit looser under the current admin but worth asking around before you sign.
whtbsnesk@reddit
Crappy company. Bottom line is money in their pocket and a cheap labor force. Get an employment lawyer and counter offer. The “deal” only benefits the company . It can be redlined by your lawyer. Never ever sign an Non-disclosure agreement. Counter that too. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. You expect from them what they expect from you. If they breach the NDA you can sue them so that keeps them honest. Been there, done all,of this.
crazdtow@reddit
I did similar with a counter offer and not signing a non compete. Worked out better for me but was a smaller company so ymmv
crazdtow@reddit
Got this at 50, wasn’t expecting it or remotely prepared to make that kind of decision but it wasn’t really a decision more like this is what’s happening so good luck. Best of luck to you. I haven’t gone back to work or actively looked for work and it’s been over a year now. Was a very unsettling fearful time for quite a while until I decided I no longer gave a shit about anything anymore.
ONROSREPUS@reddit
At 60 I would take that and run. Right now I would rather shovel shit at a farm then do what I am doing.
usedupconcept@reddit
God me too. If you know of those jobs send them my way. My company calls, texts, emails me directly from 5am until well over 10pm. 7 days a week. My doctor is sick of me, therapist just repeats "boundaries" on a loop like laying them down and getting fired is an option. Fml.
ONROSREPUS@reddit
I know of a decent sized pig farmer that is looking for a helper. Mostly loading and unloading hogs and moving them from building to building. Starting at $25 and hour. $30 and hour after the first year. Very low cost of living area as well.
It really has me thinking.
usedupconcept@reddit
You might be joking but that honestly sounds like hog heaven to me!
ONROSREPUS@reddit
I am not joking. However, you do have to work one weekend a month on a rotation. Its a balancing thing. Office chair and AC with higher pay, or working a lot outside, sweat your ass off in the summer and be cold in hell in the winter with OK pay but no stress. I found out about this job though the neighbor kid that is working there this summer. All he does is mow the damn lawns around the pig sheds and helps once in a while load hogs and he is making $20 an hour.
72vintage@reddit
Wow. I think that kind of part time/summer work is closer to $15-17/hr near me. Sad that it's basically the same as working for McDonald's...
usedupconcept@reddit
I could deal with that. Take it man!
ONROSREPUS@reddit
Some day's I want to just walk the F out but my wife keeps telling me its just a few more years to retirement if I keep this job. I just don't know.
Jason_Newsted@reddit
What state is this?
ONROSREPUS@reddit
Minnesota.
Please don't give up your bass playing to become a pig farmer.
eventhorizon3140@reddit
Have you ever smelled a pig farm?
ONROSREPUS@reddit
Yes. I live in the country and we are the #2 pork producing state in the US. They don't smell good but I have smelled worse.
72vintage@reddit
I grew up on a hog farm. I value the health of my lungs too much to ever go back to that kind of work. It's not the smell, it's the dust from the hog feed and it's the dander from their skin that will destroy your lungs. Yes, it's honest work, but Good Lord it's miserable...
MaiBoo18@reddit
They forced my husband to retire as well. Gave him 8 month severance which is good. Take it.
Front_Price_4466@reddit
I'd take it without skipping a beat.
vixenlion@reddit
I would be biting the company’s hand with that.
Anig_o@reddit
Same sort of boat 2 years ago but a couple years younger, 2 years severence and I’m in Canada so not as much concerned about insurance. Same $$ range though.
Had to cut back. Broke up with Jeff Bezoz. Stopped eating out as much. I do some volunteering and picked up a retail job to get me out of the house. I’ve never been happier.
kuntrycidd@reddit
Most people spend way more than they need to.
DontTrustAnAtom@reddit
Not to make this about me, but this will be about me. I just got laid off with 20 weeks severance and (Annual is $130K) 6 months paid employer portion of COBRA. I am 57. I have $1M in 401K and very little in savings (enough for maybe 3 months expenses, the 20 weeks will get me through the year I think), but my company's 401K has the Rule of 55, so I can start taking what I need when I am ready (soon...because no job!). I see ppl saying this guy is OK with only $540K. Mortgage $2200, will be paid off in 5 yrs. No CC debt, no car pymt, I drive a 2020 sm SUV (paid off) Am I ok? (no advisor, no family that isn't living paycheck to paycheck, I am so scared). This is a serious question, not looking for kudos. I have no support except my 401K provider is suddenly v interested in talking to me. It is like I woke up one day and it all worked out. I "set it and forgot it" basically and it doesn't seem real. Like Monopoly money.
Available_Blood_6134@reddit
Laid off! Why not take unemployment at some point?
anironicfigure@reddit
not poster, but fyi I live in a state where I received just over $100 TOTAL after being laid off from a job where I made over $80K/year salary. I've worked in this state and paid into unemployment since I was 15 years old, and I'm now in my mid-50s. unemployment is not what it's made out to be.
Conscious-Egg-2232@reddit
Then you had very low earnings over the previous 4 quarters they look back..the lowest unemployment in country is more than double that.
Depends on state weekly amount. Mn, mass for example are highest. 700-800 week i think. Cal sucks 440. AZ even worse 330.
anironicfigure@reddit
nope, Tennessee unemployment pays between $30 and a few hundred a week maximum, and payout lasts just 12 weeks. they don't pay if you make ANYTHING, and I had a little side gig money coming in. we are one of the lowest ranked states in unemployment benefits, and we are also one of the slowest states to pay unemployment. https://www.reddit.com/r/nashville/comments/1ljfjck/annual_reminder_unemployment_benefits_in_tn_suck/
ThisIsMyUsername303@reddit
Just wanted to note for anyone else reading that every 401(k) has the Rule of 55 (can start distributions when you leave the employer as long as it’s on or after January 1 of the year you turn 55); it’s just a question of what the terms are. SEPP/72T would also be an option, but potentially more limiting.
gcfio@reddit
Is it a true severance or salary continuation severance? I would file unemployment after the period is over and look for a job. $1 million don’t go far if you’re used to spending 130k. 5 years till social, 8 until Medicaid. You might be ok if you’re frugal.
Conscious-Egg-2232@reddit
Depending on state. For example California you can collect unemployment right away after 1 week waiting week regardless of severance. Other states not until severance is over.
Skeewampus@reddit
Why don’t you just make your own post instead of trying to hijack another. Your situation isn’t really that similar.
HandshakeOfCO@reddit
Oh hey so speaking of… I have this goose at my local park that’s been eyeing me whenever I go there. I think it wants my 401k.
My retirement accounts have about 10m all added up across 401ks and savings etc. How do I get the goose to stop looking at me?
TapeFlip187@reddit
Maybe he's just interested in your jacket? I personally at 46, still wear a jacket with patches and studs on it which means I have about 18m coolness points in my 401k combined w/a few bottle caps in my pocket but Ive recently been asked to stop rocking so hard.
My concern is that while I do have a lot of 7"s saved up, my phd from the School of Hard Livin' might be considered borderline obsolete if I have to start from the ground [floor] again. So what I'm wondering, should I tell the goose about the bottle caps or does he mean something else? He might be drinking too, I don't really get it.
TapeFlip187@reddit
Maybe he's just interested in your jacket? I personally at 46, still wear a jacket with patches and studs on it which means I have about 18m coolness points in my 401k combined w/a few bottle caps in my pocket but Ive recently been asked to stop rocking so hard.
My concern is that while I do have a lot of 7"s saved up, my phd from the School of Hard Livin' might be considered borderline obsolete if I have to start from the ground [floor] again. So what I'm wondering is, should I tell the goose about the bottle caps or does he mean something else? He might be drinking too, I don't really get it.
101violations@reddit
jacklogan2972@reddit
That's my dream
peachesconpollo@reddit
Same!
FormCheck655321@reddit
I have a friend who was laid off at 60 and couldn’t find a new job. Ageism for sure. But if I were you I’d make a plan just in case retirement is permanent. Figure out when you will claim social security and what your spending needs to be to make that IRA last 25-30 years.
bellesearching_901@reddit
Take it
soleiles1@reddit
I would take that in a heartbeat. Not many companies offering that. Look at it as a gift.
IcyCryptographer5919@reddit
Well, at least you’re 60. Imagine if you were 52. 🤷🏻♂️
Redfour5@reddit
My wife did it. Basically retired decided she didn't like it went back to the same kind of job it was like a one year paid vacation including health insurance.
Naive-Garlic2021@reddit
Just for a full picture, I'd give a thought to insurance after Cobra ends. How much would it be to continue cobra? How much is it on the marketplace? Without subsidies, it's 12,000 a year for me in premiums and I am younger. Fortunately you will only have 4 years before Medicare kicks in.
Able to consult if you still need to work?
neverinamillionyr@reddit
I’m paying nearly $12k/yr for company sponsored insurance.
DubbulG@reddit
Take it and keep looking for something else. My father got the same boot in the ass 20 years ago and then made a ton of money consulting.
Equivalent-Shine5742@reddit
Forgive me if this seems blunt but it wasn't a gentle idea presented for you to consider.
They just announced you and they will be parting ways. How that looks is now up to you but they made an offer that gives you something. Take it.
2ndgenmimi@reddit
This- My company made an early retirement “offer” just after Covid for employees 55 or older as of Jan 1st the following year. I missed the age requirement by a few months so I wan’t eligible to participate. Just after, my performance mysteriously began to be called into question and I was subsequently put on a PIP. After 35+ years with this company and an excellent performance history. Take the “offer” with both hands and dont look back.
para_diddle@reddit
You seriously got a raw deal. That sucks.
MamaPajamaMama@reddit
Yeah, seems like the writing isn't just on the wall but it's in giant letters. I'd take it.
proofreadre@reddit
Exactly this. They aren't asking they are telling. You may be able to sweeten the deal, but whatever the deal is, you are not long for that organization.
No-Spray-6694@reddit
Although it’s not ideal you may not have a real choice . It’s definitely something rather than nothing . Sorry for your predicament.
Alternative_Rope_632@reddit
Sounds good! It gives you a year to plan whateverthehell you want to do next!! I wish I were offered something like this. My company did a buyout a few years ago, 6 months salary, 1 month COBRA.
jkepros@reddit
I'm jealous
Accomplished_Ant_371@reddit
Super generous offer. Take it.
lovestobitch-@reddit
After cobra we paid 1,735 each per month for a shitty high deductible health insurance plan that basically no dr would take until medicare kicked in. So check that out. Now under medicare health insurance is $205 per month each deducted from social security check and another $285 per month each for gap insurance plus prescription insurance which you have to take or else you get a penalty per month on top once you start getting the prescription coverage. The base deduction from your SSI ck also goes up if you take distributions etc so be aware of IRMMA brackets in your planning. We literally missed a $120 per month increase in the SSI $ deduction by $2 for the whole yr on our income the first yr on medicare.
mtngoat7@reddit
At the time did you search for plans via the ACA? From what I have seen when your income is low they are very affordable, much lower than $1735. I modeled a few options and with a 50k income I could cover my spouse and daughter with a silver HMO plan for $664.
pookieHOS@reddit
Not anymore. Over 1000 for capt coverage since subsidies are gone. Even my doctor's office warned against it
mtngoat7@reddit
I just ran the numbers on Covered California again to confirm, and using a 50k income level it came to far less for my spouse and daughter on a silver hmo plan. I know the enhanced subsidies were ended but that’s what the site says right now.
lovestobitch-@reddit
No my husband believed our income was too high for it and I never ck’d it out. Two yrs before me hitting 65 at least we had BCBS. The next yr he hit medicare age and I was one yr younger all carriers except Alliant (a shitty co) pulled out of my state for individual plans vs group plans. Luckily we were working some contact jobs and making okay $.
mtngoat7@reddit
Understood. It’s hard to navigate the healthcare system here, so I’m glad you mentioned the IRMMA brackets I had no clue about that.
lovestobitch-@reddit
Lol We learned the hard way and my husband had read a lot on medicare. We now try to manage distributions etc to keep below if possible because of the monthly penalty.
carlsbadsun@reddit
Yes, this is the carrot. Take it, otherwise the stick will come later. And probably not too much later.
Global_InfoJunkie@reddit
Wow. I wish i was offered that. I quit and pay alot for cobra
LivingSomewhere6251@reddit
An "Early Retirement" option is often a precursor to layoff and not so much an offer as a warning. I will be 50 this year with nowhere near enough in savings or investments to retire, and I'd take it. I figure this way, I'd have a paid year to find something else, whereas declining it would be a huge risk, as it could be drastically reduced when they ultimately let me go anyway.
PRC_Spy@reddit
I'm not yet 60 but would accept that in an instant.
MaxViewingAngle@reddit
I would kill for that deal!
CoverCommercial3576@reddit
What are your prospects for another job? you cant collect SS for at least 2 more years.
QualityPenguin@reddit
You can collect SS at age 62.
CoverCommercial3576@reddit
60+2 =62
leigh10021@reddit
Or get Medicare
CoverCommercial3576@reddit
Or be cool.
eternal_syrup@reddit
One year’s salary? Kids, save like you’ll never get that call, so that you can say yes without thinking if you ever do.
S0biepan@reddit
I just took one for 9 months pay. I had another job before the end of the day. I laughed all the way to the bank.
Capable_Stranger9885@reddit
Are you 60?
S0biepan@reddit
I am close. I still need to work a few more years. I work remotely as a day analyst so my work is not hard at all. I am just in it for something to do now as we bought a travel trailer and now are touring around the US while I work
iotakbc@reddit
This is what I hope for at some point. When I was laid off (second time) in 2016, got 6 months. Had a new job two days later.
originalmosh@reddit
I am 53 and have $20K in the bank, I have no idea.
Chirlish1@reddit
Some of us hit 60 and simply got a goodbye letter, no nothing else. Bitter you say…yes yes I am.
Silver_Breakfast7096@reddit
I jump on that faster than you can spell yasssss.
format32@reddit
It can take a year or longer to find a job depending on what you do.. taking 6 months off could be catastrophic in this economy. I know, I took a year off in 2024 at 54. It took me almost two years to find a job worthwhile.
Silver_Breakfast7096@reddit
But was the year off worth it?
format32@reddit
Only if you are rich.
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
I’m planning on leaving my career field altogether. I have other ideas in the works.
format32@reddit
That’s awesome! I’m currently searching for something else besides IT that is not filled with ageism..
Silver_Breakfast7096@reddit
Legal field. If you can perform? I have attorneys that support in their 70s. Still Coming to the office still sharp. This makes me the young one.
kjgage@reddit
20 years ago Best friend got an offer like this when he was 58. decided it was too early to retire and declined. 6 months later every part of severance offer cut in half and 1 month medical. .
Cincytraveler@reddit
I (591/2) had this offer in November. A little more generous with 18 months severance, pro-rated bonus and vacation buyout. My health benefits transferred. For me, the health insurance would be reasonable, but with my husband and son it runs $2500 a month. My son has a chronic illness that requires meds at around $1200 a month plus, doctor visits and diagnostics. I took the package. People who stayed for no offer and were only able to retire 6 months later (coming up in May) and got only standard retirement benefits and no payout. Definitely meet with your money manager and an accountant. I’ll start looking for a job to supplement health at the end of the summer. I am so glad I took the package!
ColonelTime@reddit
I had a friend get let go from HP in a similar manner. He was able to rig the payout to 2 years of pay by strategically using comp time. Make sure you read the fine print. There could be some things in there they weren't expecting.
TemperatureInner2413@reddit
Take it or they could just fire you. Seen it happen.
RefrigeratorFuture34@reddit
I took the golden handshake. I now have to pay for COBRA, which is 2k for our family. But I’m not working which is amazing
Solarfri-@reddit
Do it!
Murky_Summer_4262@reddit
This is an amazing offer, you don’t see a years salary and COBRA nowadays. It’s very rare
Thejammer1@reddit
I took one, it was great except they taxed my severance as a bonus... higher rate. The gov didn't earn my wages, I did. In the end I got out early . They fleeced the working stiff. My bride and I traveled across country visiting all the roads less traveled for 6 weeks. Just remember you're a pensioner now with a fixed income.... enjoy!!!
Old_Suggestions@reddit
It's withheld at the bonus rate which depends onbyour employees calculations. April 15th everything is settled so if they took "too much" you'll be getting it back.
MiseEnSelle@reddit
IIRC, they are required to offer COBRA for 1 1/2 years? It's very expensive. Am I correct in assuming that they will be paying it for one year? Because that is awesome. I retired before 60 but I have insurance from the old job until Medicare kicks in. Is this the same deal that everyone gets, or can you haggle a bit?
I looks like a pretty good deal, as long as you live within your means. You can take withdrawals from your IRA starting at 59 1/2. Wait, of course, since you can get by on your severance for a couple of years (as long as you don't drive too much omg). Social at 62! Woo-hoo!
DO NOT BUY AN ANNUITY. I have never met anyone who said that was a good idea, except for the people selling them.
See if you can take out a loan now, while you still have the job, to give you some extra cushion. Home equity or personal, whatever works. I keep getting balance transfer offers with 3-4% fees, no interest. So that's a very cheap loan to keep me going till the market improves. Overall I make way more than 4% in my IRA portfolio (even in this flat market), and I bet you do too. Debt is your friend if you manage it right!
Bitter_Credit_9598@reddit
they are required to offer COBRA for 1 1/2 years?
This is true, but they are not required to pat for it - any of it. One year is very generous, and on the market you could get lower coast after one year with subsidies if you decide to retire.
MiseEnSelle@reddit
As I said: "Am I correct in assuming that they will be paying it for one year? Because that is awesome"
Bitter_Credit_9598@reddit
yup, i just didn't want anyone misinterpreting what you said
Fidrych76@reddit
Go for two years COBRA.
iceroadtrucker2010@reddit
Isn’t Cobra 18 months by law? That would negate a 1 year Cobra offer.
OddSand7870@reddit
Health insurance length is up to the employer. My FIL got a package as a CFO of a Fortune 500 company when they got bought out at 50 years old. They covered his health insurance for him and his wife until he was eligible for Medicare. I told him that is why people hate the C Suite. He gets that and the underlings get 2 weeks and a firm handshake.
Just2Breathe@reddit
The risk is that this company might close in a year or two, and the delayed benefits lost.
Conscious-Egg-2232@reddit
They can offer to pay as long as they want up to 18 month max. Doesn't have to be full 18.
What happens if you land job after couple months and dont need 12 months. Do you still get that money or is it paid directly to cobra.
Bobby-Dazzling@reddit
You get the option to continue your healthcare coverage for 18 months, but YOU have to pay it. In this offer, the employer is willing to cover that cost for one year, then the employer pays for sixth months, then it’s the open market. COBRA is simply a government rule that keeps you eligible for the healthcare plan you currently are on while seeking a new one. There is no funding component in it.
This is a good offer, especially if the company gets bought out and everyone is laid off. If you think it’s headed that way, take it. If you think your survive the transition and have a job under the next owner, don’t. If you stay, just appreciate you are working for free for a year since you could have had that money already
SeniorScientist-2679@reddit
Pretty sure op meant that the employer would pay the premium for one year.
Wrong_Pen6179@reddit
See if you can take it but stay employed for another 4-6 months so you can find another job while still employed.
SlammaJammin@reddit
Take the offer and get out before the company is sold.
Make a list of the niceties you can learn to live without and adjust accordingly.
Focus on building/strengthening connections with family and local friends, and enjoy the time you’ll have to breathe and live more calmly.
samoanking951@reddit
I wouldn’t unless you have a new job lined up.
Free-Mathematician-5@reddit
I say take it. You need to work with money manager but 540k might be enough for a modest retirement.
L8_Bluemer@reddit
Honestly, the thing I worry most about is health insurance. Cobra for a year is great, but we aren’t eligible for Medicare until 65. We were paying $3k per month for a Basic PPO. Make sure you include healthcare in your budget. Best of luck to you.
soihavetosay@reddit
This is the real problem, if you don't get another job with benefits. And most times, I believe you can only get cobra for three years, leaving you with a two year gap before you qualify for medicare
Grafakos@reddit
This is what ACA is for. If you qualify for a subsidy, it's also much cheaper than COBRA. I'm paying $320/month this year for a gold plan for me and my wife.
soihavetosay@reddit
I'd heard aca went way up in price?
Grafakos@reddit
That's what I was hearing in the months before the 2026 enrollment period, but my monthly subsidy actually increased to $1725/month from $1564/month, even though I entered a higher estimated income for 2026.
I was able to go from a silver plan that cost me $230/month in 2025, to a gold plan that costs me $300 in 2026. Not apples to apples, I know, but my 2025 plan was no longer available anyway.
It's definitely worth running the numbers for your own situation at healthcare.gov
soihavetosay@reddit
Ty
Grafakos@reddit
It's for me and my wife, both age 57. Total premium is $2025/month, we pay $300 and the government pays $1725.
The key to this is that your taxable income needs to be high enough to qualify for ACA but low enough to qualify for subsidies. For two people, this means your annual income needs to be roughly in the $25-85k range.
In early retirement, this is fairly easy to do - you're not collecting SS and you're not eligible to withdraw from 401k/IRA, so your income is just whatever dividends and capital gains you have in your taxable accounts.
If those alone are enough to push you above the threshold for ACA subsidies, then you're richer than me =)
If your son is still working, that may be another story.
Necessary-Storage-74@reddit
COBRA is only available for 18 months in the event of job loss or reduction in hours. Qualifying events giving rise to 36 months include divorce, death, child aging out.
soihavetosay@reddit
That may be why then
edkishinevsky@reddit
18 months for cobra, i got
soihavetosay@reddit
My son qualifies for three years, and I've heard of some getting five years (i think that's rare tho)
Plus it's damn expensive
Serendipity_Succubus@reddit
Why ask your manager ? This is a great package and I would take it.
Objective_Bear4799@reddit
Not his supervising manager, but his financial manager. This is likely tied to his IRA and any other retirement and investments. These people do not work (at least they should not) be employed at the company or contracted by the company that employs OP.
Serendipity_Succubus@reddit
The “money” part of manager wasn’t there originally.
Objective_Bear4799@reddit
That makes sense. On the app I can’t see edits that were made.
Socalwarrior485@reddit
Yeah, because what's the alternative? Have the boss man up in your business every day until you're gone? If your skills are transferrable and there might be other opportunities, this sounds pretty good to me.
eternalsunshine2023@reddit
Take the severance and move to another country with a cheaper cost of living if you can
Secret-Function-2972@reddit
Many years ago my father worked for a power company and he was offered an early retirement package at age 51. Don't know the details, but I believe it was pretty good including healthcare benefits, pension, etc. He didn't really want to quit working but eventually took it. Co-workers who did not take it and stayed working were let go with minimal benefits 2 weeks later. Bird in the hand.
Bobbogee@reddit
Yup! It’s very common for the first wave of layoffs to be more generous, and the screws tighten further with lower buyouts as time goes on
KarmaDreams@reddit
If they’re already mentioning that they “might” close, I would take that money, especially the IRA (roll it over, if you can), because if you decide to hold out, and they do shut down, you could end up with nothing!
Honestly, this timeline fkn SUCKS! It’s like we’re the generation that will forever be the “forgotten kids”. We’re in the gap between the “old folks” and the “kids”, yet are being treated as if we’re boomers ready for the old folks home.
jediHoo@reddit
My husband is 63 and was laid off from his last job in July 2024. He still hasn’t been able to find work. Severance, unemployment, and cobra coverage are long gone. And we have a sophomore in high school so we still need income. Contract jobs are few and far between, recruiters are awful, too many applicants in the pool, and the pay is about half what it should be.
If you accept this offer, do so with eyes wide open at what the current market is. Try to negotiate and get as much as possible. Good luck.
draggar@reddit
Chances are this is a lowball offer - OP could counter with a full year bonus (and settle with 6 or 8 months).
LieutenantStar2@reddit
I’d take that in a heartbeat.
mikemflash@reddit
Hell yes. Take 6 months off and recalibrate.
BookAddict1918@reddit
Isn't COBRA for 18 months? Maybe it changed but companies were required to offer it for 18 months a while back.
dezzodezzo@reddit
I think it means they pay for first year.
BookAddict1918@reddit
Ok. That is goodbye technically he has another 6 months of insurance. Important at that age.
PicoDog153@reddit
Take it. If your money manager says you don’t have enough to retire, you’re still way better off taking it. You can get another job, even if pays half or a third your current salary, doing anything. Just not drawing your entire living expenses in the first year or two because you can “supplement” your retirement with a lower-wage job will allow you to transition into retirement without running out of money. And consider, it’s a year’s salary with zero aggravation of actually working. If you don’t take it, you’ll make that salary, but have to work hard for it, then at the end of that year, you’re likely to be laid off with zero severance. This is free money, and you will not get a better offer.
larryc814@reddit
Not at ops age. Op won't be able to get another job besides fast foods or walmart greeter. Op is screwed with so little savings. Op has no one to blame but him or her self.
PicoDog153@reddit
This may be true, but I believe OP is likely to be laid off anyway. Might as well take the severance while they hunt for their next job, which will be low-paying, but better than nothing. To be clear, I'm not a financial advisor, but the severance offer and year's COBRA coverage is likely the best they can get at this point. In the end, we're all screwed by the system. :-(
PlantSufficient6531@reddit
^^ This is the way. It is better to be in the first round of generous severance packages than in the later ones when there is no money left.. or the new owners just want to reduce head count
SuccessfulReturn4103@reddit
Take it. You don’t HAVE to retire. Take a sabbatical and use time to decide
Socalwarrior485@reddit
"You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here"
Dismal_Procedure_663@reddit
Try to get 5 years COBRA
srsowen@reddit
I believe cobra maxes out at 18 months
Serendipity_Succubus@reddit
The requirement to offer COBRA maxes out at 18 months. A company can pay your premiums until you die, if they wanted to.
NonSupportiveCup@reddit
That's not enough time for Cobra.
stevemm70@reddit
Many years ago, my father worked for IBM. They started offering him deals like this because they were trying to get rid of the grey haired people who made decent money. He turned them down over and over. Finally, they offered him two full years of pay, full pension, and insurance until Medicare kicked in. He took it and ran.
Left_Maize816@reddit
In my experience, this offer comes before layoffs. But first, they look at firing people for all the performance stuff they overlooked over the years.
tfid3@reddit
if enough people take the offer then they might not have to lay off. I know several people that have left someplace and realized they were never going to get laid off after all. in my experience you should always let a company kick you out instead of leaving voluntarily despite what they offer.
Left_Maize816@reddit
Those people who get fired between the voluntary early retirement and the layoffs would tend to disagree
Altruistic_End_6003@reddit
My hubby just turned 61 and would love to get an early retirement offer from the company he’s worked at for 22 years. Take it. Not sure what you do for a living but if you need to work there are plenty of opportunities, even if part time.
Creekmaster@reddit
If they offer it, you must take it. They want you gone.
AnnieFlagstaff@reddit
Yeah, I’d expect you’ll be out either way once the company is sold. This may be your best option.
Linux4ever_Leo@reddit
If you have proof that only employees where were 50 yrs and older were laid off, then I would talk to a lawyer about age descrimination.
OkPeace1@reddit
I was fired at 50 (and a coworker, 15 an 20 years.) In an "at will" state they don't have to give you a reason or any compensation. Take the money and run. I can't believe they're giving you that much. (And we did go to a lawyer- wouldn't touch it.)
TurboWreck@reddit
That's not what the post says. It says everyone over 50 got the early retirement offer, which is very common practice.
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
It’s not a layoff per se. it is a voluntary early retirement offer.
Objective-Dust4795@reddit
This needs to be the top comment. They’re gutting the highest salaries before selling. And if the cut off is age based it is grounds ageism.
Jaded-Imagination388@reddit
Take it and run. You are 60. I retired at 58. Three of my similarly aged work buddies who could have retired at the same time 4 years ago are now dead. The one piece of advice I give to my ex-work colleagues and friends about deciding when to retire is if you can or almost can financially then do it right now. You are dead for a very long time.
mtngoat7@reddit
Not a bad severance! Ours is only 6 months now. I don’t think our bonus gets paid out if you leave before the date they pay everyone else. That said, if 540k is your only savings for retirement, it’s probably not going to last you.
DramaticErraticism@reddit
I would, just because you are going to get laid off anyway if you don't take it.
If I was in your shoes, I probably wouldn't be comfortable retiring until 67 or so though, unless you are ok with living lean (or you are married and your partner helps with the bills).
WPI94@reddit
Yep, this is it. Lucky to have the package and not a surprise Friday morning meeting.
GigiDeville@reddit
Dang, I wish! I retired a few months ago and right after a bunch of people were laid off with severance. I would have gotten a pretty nice package since I had been there so long, but I am positive they would have left me on and then I would have been really annoyed and probably left anyway.
I love being retired.
Slight_Succotash9495@reddit
My husband got laid off bc of Doge at the same age after being there 37yrs. Luckily we are set financially so that wasnt an issue. I was worried hed be bored & have a hard time adjusting. Nope! Hes the happiest hes ever been. What I thought was a horrible scary thing ended up being the best thing for my husband's mental health & that is worth everything. I wish you well on your next adventure whatever you choose.
Illustrious_Debt_392@reddit
Take it. I just did the same at 55 knowing that the company was changing and I wouldn’t be happy in the new environment. There were also a limited number of openings, and while I could have taken a slot, it would have left a younger person unemployed. I’m happy with the decision.
sitewolf@reddit
Well, would you consider yourself ready financially to retire in 1 year? Because that's basically the offer, without even having to work the year. Or, if you'd like to keep working, maybe it's time to do something more for your enjoyment than concern about salary?
alex_korr@reddit
I'd probably take it at 60.
PetieG26@reddit
Don't look a gift horse in the mouth
Aezetyr@reddit
That isn't bad, but, ask for more severance pay based on how many years you worked there if you can get away with it. The COBRA package is solid.
yellsy@reddit
Take it 100% - there’s no downside. You can go find another job.
AdStrong2545@reddit
Exactly this! Take it and if you choose, get another job. There is absolutely no downside!!
NorthAmericanSlacker@reddit
Talk with your financial advisor. If they are coving everything for COBRA that may be the real deal.
There are tax rules that also allow you to access your 401k earlier without penalties after you are 55. I do not know all the ins and outs. But any good tax planner should help you sort what’s best for you.
I am not a financial planner, tax preparer, or lawyer.
NOTTYNUTZ69@reddit
OP is fine to take any retirement funds they would like as they are over 59 1/2. They would still need to pay taxes but it’s available. Taking the deal will be awesome but try and not touch your social security until 67.5 as the amount will be significantly higher than starting that right now. The important thing is figuring what you can do about medical from the time Cobra is done and you qualify for Medicare.
I am a financial advisor.
ShirazGypsy@reddit
lol you assume social security will still be here in 7.5 years
Ashamed_Definition77@reddit
I believe the 10% early withdrawal penalty is waived when you are offered a severance package after the age of 55. At least that’s what it is in NJ.
TJH99x@reddit
I’d take it. I’d also want to plan on part time work next year to add to retirement funds. Whatever earnings you can get without jeopardizing the full year of the offer. If 540k is the only retirement you have, boost it with a non stressful job.
Virginia_Hoo@reddit
Congratulations!... Take it!
New-Entrepreneur4132@reddit
I received a similar offer at 55 and took it. My salary was a bit higher and I had $2.5 million in my retirement accounts (my dad told me to invest early in my 401k and thank goodness I listened). I wasn’t ready to stop working so I went back to work for a large company working remote at a lower level so I don’t have to kill myself but still get to enjoy working. The remote work is awesome so think about that as an option too. Now that I’m approaching 60, I’m considering retirement, but am hanging out to see if my new company will offer early retirement. I could use the healthcare benefits.
SurfsUpSurfsUp@reddit
Take it! And soon you’ll realize how happy you are to have gotten out of vfx!!
fullthrottle13@reddit
I’d take that in a heartbeat. Fuck corporate America..
Brilliant-Basil-884@reddit
This happened to my father when the newspaper industry tanked, and he worked at the local paper. He managed OK but lives with my mother and she kept working. He took early retirement but managed not to touch anything until it fully matured. You are getting a better deal than he was offered but he wasn't a good negotiator.
HZLeyedValkyrie@reddit
Take it. I had to walk away from work due to an illness similar to ALS (just not as progressive and deadly), the cobra coverage alone they are providing is nice.
My employer extended cobra to me and I had to take it because I had already met my deductible for the year and it was only April. Exchange had higher premiums and deductibles at the time so I didn’t bother switching. I was paying $2000 a month for coverage under cobra for myself , spouse and kid. But was covered 90% only 10% out of pocket. Thankfully my spouses employer plan included benefits paid for C levels and their families. Bout damn time. I’d been carrying our insurance for years. I literally worked for health insurance because his employer plans sucked so bad.
Beth_Pleasant@reddit
The added benefit of COBRA when you are actively needing insurance, is you don't have to start over with deductibles, new docs, etc. It's worth the cost for that alone.
Salt-Inevitable1@reddit
Take the offer. The next step after this is layoffs without the benefit of that package. That goes for anyone in this situation.
Beth_Pleasant@reddit
Yeah this is the best offer. Take it!!
Decsolst@reddit
Yep
DuneFarmerMI@reddit
go on take the money and run hoo hoo
MikeyRidesABikey@reddit
This here's a story about Billy Joe and Bobbie Sue
mmmmmarty@reddit
Two young lovers with nothing better to do
the_archaius@reddit
Don’t forget you can counter offer them.
They may offer more money, I know my employer has.
My employer has done this in the past, and not only offers more money if you counter, they will keep you as a contractor past the retirement date too.
violetauto@reddit
Doesn’t the typical advice say to reject the first offer of a severance? I don’t know. Can you negotiate any more? They need to pay COBRA (because that shit’s expensive), for example.
No_Monsters@reddit
COBRA, Obama care, all outrageous.
WhiskeyCity502@reddit
That’s not a bad deal. You can still find another job to get you to 62-65. Way better than a pizza party & escort off the property.
hedgehog77433@reddit
Take the money and run!
1847usa@reddit
Whjooohoaa
doombase310@reddit
540k in retirement. 4% SWR is under 25k. Plus SS at 62 and whatever else you have on the side. I'd that enough for you? Say you put severance into brokerage, that sounds like 50 to 60k max. Have to do the math.
Historical_Project86@reddit
Woah, that's a nice severance. I think, whenever it happens, I'll get 20 weeks (12 weeks + 1 week per year of employment).
The job market, at least in the UK, is very tough right now. If you can get a good job again pretty quickly then take the money. However is there a payday coming when the company sells? Like do you have any stock options?
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
The company is owned by private equity so no stock to liquidate.
Historical_Project86@reddit
OK, so no advantage to sticking around. Sounds like people more in the now over that side of the pond are saying "leave!". :-)
SkipNYNY@reddit
To be clear, they’re paying the COBRA? Your cost too. If yes, run don’t walk. These days offers are not so considerate. Usually, company sold, thanks for your service, let’s have a pizza lunch the day you all clean out.
R5Jockey@reddit
Take the money and run.
chopprjock@reddit
I’d take that in a heartbeat! Heck, worst case scenario after year 1 is working at Starbucks, which offers healthcare for those that work 20hrs/wk or more.
Or move to Europe for a while and enjoy affordable healthcare….
yearsofpractice@reddit
I’m in the UK and (whilst I hate this and voted against BREXIT etc) I have got some terribly unpleasant news for your regards immigrants’ eligibility for free healthcare in the UK and Europe…
chopprjock@reddit
Been living in the EU for a year now, I’m aware. It’s not free, but comparing costs to the US…? It’s damn close, lol
5141121@reddit
I'm not even ready to retire yet and I'd take a full year severance. That's enough to pay off everything I've got outstanding and enough runway to get me through to another gig.
TrainingLow9079@reddit
That's a pretty good deal compared to other deals I've seen
Jacmac_@reddit
Man I got something like this about 4 months ago and I am now retired. I exited the company about 3 weeks ago. Your offer is much better than mine for sure. I got about 6 months worth of paid COBRA as a "stipend", I have to pay for the other 12 months we are eligible for. I got a bonus which was about 12 weeks of pay, I got about 18 weeks of 'severance' pay, and then my payout for unused vacation time was about another 6 weeks.
That said, between my wife's 401K (she retired a few years earlier after a layoff) and my 401K savings we have enough that retirement isn't iffy. I'm almost 60, she is a year younger. When COBRA ends in 18 months we are going to have to find coverage until we hit 65 and that is going to be costly, but we've got a lot saved up and income from a few rental properties too.
Cautious_Fix_2793@reddit
Sweet deal. Absolutely take it.
RCA2CE@reddit
This isn't just a yes - its a HELL YES
I'd take this deal. In fact I did - I took a similar deal 2 years ago, the reality was that im old and they were going to age me out anyway so this was a graceful way to go while not having to have a bad experience at a company I worked at for a long time with people I liked. We parted the best of friends.
I also took another job 4 days later - I make like 60% of what i did, but its still decent money and I get insurance and every day I inch closer to my retirement goal date of 65. I can retire earlier but 65 is the optimal date for me. Every day I stay employed, it gets closer and I benefit without having to tap savings to live.
Anyway, to me your deal is a no-brainer - if they're presenting it to you, they might have a plan B if you say no
lefty1117@reddit
Take it friend
UnusualDoctor@reddit
100% I'd take that. Polish up the resume, take some time for myself, maybe even a tiny bit of travel. Apply everywhere.
asscheese2000@reddit
COBRA is not an offer, it’s required by law. It’s also bullshit - they take your fairly affordable monthly cost share as an employee and basically quadruple it which is impossible to pay while unemployed. The last time I went through a layoff with COBRA available about 10 years ago my employee share of insurance was $380 a month and after the layoff the COBRA monthly was $1800.
TraditionalBackspace@reddit
Not clear if the company is covering one year of COBRA cost or "offering" one year of COBRA. If the latter, then you're right. It's required by law.
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
They ARE covering their share of the COBRA premiums.
TraditionalBackspace@reddit
So they are meeting the minimum legal requirement, but not paying YOUR share of the COBRA premiums.
asscheese2000@reddit
There’s no such thing as a company share of COBRA coverage. You should definitely clarify with them what they mean.
Your current health plan has an employer and employee share for the monthly premium. COBRA guarantees by law that you cannot lose your current insurance plan or level of medical coverage once you are let go but there is no requirement for the former employer to pay anything at all. There is no COBRA “share” it is based on 100% plus a 2% administrative fee of the current plan cost and is the responsibility of the former employee.
If they are saying they will fund a portion of the COBRA premium at the same level they are currently funding the employee plan that’s something you should be crystal clear on. If the severance package does not explicitly lay that out or uses weasel language then assume that your COBRA premium will be $2000+ a month.
The package was likely drafted by a legal team and if you cannot be certain without your own attorney to review it then assume the worst. This is not just run of the mill GenX cynicism, I was burned by a few corporate contracts when I was younger and have caught nonsense like this in a few others when I got older and was able to negotiate around or outright refuse them.
MarkItZeroDonnie@reddit
Oh. Shit I assumed it meant covering
oldirishfart@reddit
I am guessing they are offering to pay the cobra premiums for 1 year.
Which is good! My company paid for 1 month and then I was in my own
JustChemist8556@reddit
They’re age discriminating us. I saw it heavily in my 40s and it’s not getting better.
greattimes99@reddit
Maybe. My personal take (from experience) is high compensation. Older more experienced people are making more. They’ll likely repost at a lower level/salary range.
JustChemist8556@reddit
Exactly. We are hiring younger ones and putting them on paths to ensure they stay with the company. We changed to jeans only in 2013 and take them on field trips and all kinds of fun stuff to retain them. It’s like playtime. Totally different days. But they come cheap at first then they bypass Gen X, at least where I work.
uckfu@reddit
Take it.
Use your time wisely to put together a resume, start the job hunt. Try to fit in a nice vacation.
Hausmannlife_Schweiz@reddit
Like most others are saying. You really don’t have a choice. Take the deal and if you aren’t ready to retire. Start looking for something else and enjoy your cushion. Most in your shoes don’t get the life raft thrown out with them.
caniac99@reddit
Would tend to agree with this. Unless you have to have the possible two years salary and are willing to ride it to the end (assuming the company is winding down).
Either way, good luck!
Hausmannlife_Schweiz@reddit
The COBRA offer is what pushes it over the edge for me. If he rides it to the end there is more likely to be nothing.
screamin808@reddit
It's a gift, take and don't look back.
ThickAct3879@reddit
Take it and search for another job. It's the best option.
One-Grapefruit-7606@reddit
My company was sold April 1 with an announcement Jan 20. A hearty good luck with the new owner was what I received (my job is at high risk with new structure and my 44k bonus is gone). I would dance a jig with that offer.
DiotimaJones@reddit
I got similar offer and took it and relocated for retirement. Shortly after I turned 60, after being healthy all my life, I ended up in the ICU. Things could have gone either way. I’m glad I had some time not working before my life almost ended. I have less money than I had planned for retirement, but time is worth more than money, I can live frugally, and figure it out.
Photobuff42@reddit
I hope you are better now.
DiotimaJones@reddit
I am, by the Grace of God, thanks!
Capital-Mark1897@reddit
my father died at 55 after taking an early retirement package. He only enjoyed 3 months of retirement before having a heart attack. Time is currency that can't be earned back.
kapdad@reddit
So sorry you lost him so soon.
Capital-Mark1897@reddit
Thank you. It definitely influenced me and my siblings to try and retire early if we passed that age. I retired at 57. My siblings at 58 and 60.
kapdad@reddit
Good point to consider.
larryc814@reddit
Why do you only just have 540k in the 401k? You have been working so many years. You should have at least a million or 3 at your age.. You only have yourself to blame for not saving enough. This will not end up well.
NoDakHoosier@reddit
Because the investment market has always had massive returns. /s
I have had multiple instances in life where 50% of my 401k has evaporated overnight. I've thankfully been able to get it back through active management of my portfolio but not everyone is that lucky.
silveronetwo@reddit
You're in a situation where you almost have to take the offer.
It would have been better to have known where your expenses would land - at least at a high level. For example if you have been saving 20% of your salary and work related expenses are another 10-20%, then you might be able to get by on 60% of your previous salary with no real change in other normal spending.
Might do you some good to understand ACA subsidies and income limits, as you can likely take advantage of this after your generous COBRA offer expires. You might find health coverage won't be as onerous as you thought it might.
While its common to stay working for health insurance, a subsidized ACA could be less expensive than an employer offer, especially in your case where you only have to bridge 4 years until Medicare eligible.
After all that prep, you might find another employment opportunity waiting for you somewhere if that's what you want.
MrsBSK@reddit
Are you ready to retire? If not , request that they pay for recruitment assistance for one year while you look for another job. If the company is on the market and oddly laying off all those over 50 ( sounds very discriminatory to me… but what do I know ?). You’ll probably not get such a generous deal from the new owner or venture cap firm. I was not at all ready to retire at 60. I finally retired at the beginning of this year and glad I waited because I was ready now. Take the deal and find yourself a fun dream job until you’re really ready to retire.
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
Not totally ready to retire but don’t want to work in tech anymore. Have some other ideas of things to do until I’m ready to quit for good.
TheOriginal_858-3403@reddit
In that case, take the offer. It gives you at least a year to get up and running doing something else. It's a fairly generous offer on the whole. It took me a minute to understand that you WEREN'T being laid off and that you were being OFFERED early retirement. If you turn down the offer, just realize that they may not offer again and you may just get downsized. If you're looking for a way out, consider this serendipity and take the offer and move on to the next thing.
MrsBSK@reddit
This gives you lots of options and you won’t be desperately seeking work. I hope you find something rewarding
Physicballs1655@reddit
They’re not laying anyone off. They’re offering early retirement severance to all over 50 in the hopes of not having to lay anyone off if enough accept and the company is able to lower their expenses to increase their value to the investors.
Prestigious-Fan3122@reddit
Familiar story. What bites you is the lack of healthcare insurance coverage after that year is up.
We have two different sets of couples friends who are in the same situation, or were five or six years ago. The wives had always been shared through their husbands'employers' health plan. I'm closer to one of the ladies that I am the other, and she told me that when the one year of continued salary and health insurance ended, I guess it was 2020, they had to buy Marketplace plans for both of them. She said they were paying $450 a month for the two of them.
He's now on Medicare, and she has to have her own Marketplace plan. Just these few years later, they are paying quarterly for his Medicare Advantage Plan, and nearly $500 just for her!
(She had gotten laid off shortly before he had, and hasn't been able to get back into the workforce. They didn't sweat it when she got laid off, because he was well employed.)
The thing I keep hearing her say over and over was "we're going to have to buy a new car eventually." And "dammit! I don't want to have to be so choosy about what I buy for my grandkids for their birthday and Christmas gifts."
Dapper_Tap_9934@reddit
With one year COBRA you still won’t qualify for 3 more years for Medicare insurance coverage
Ill_Salad_1022@reddit
yes and my job has a family plan I pay about $400 monthly. However the COBRA cost is well on $1800 month!
sfgf27@reddit
Yep although I think OP’s ACA premiums would be manageable for those 3 years until he gets Medicare.
Sweaty_Marzipan4274@reddit
TAKE IT, with the health coverage that's amazing! Look into fire planning to guide your financial planning. Take ss at 62. DUMP all pay out cash into tax deferred retirement accounts.
Distinct_Disk_1610@reddit
Also everyone saying take a year off doesn’t understand the reality of ageism. It will be hard to get another job.
Legitimate_Zone1449@reddit
I experienced this at the age of 52! Had worked my whole life, similar situation as OP, never did get back into a good paying, full time job with benefits. Trust me, Im paying for those lost years now!
Conscious-Egg-2232@reddit
Depends. Industry experience connections. And biggest factor if hes an old 60 or young 60.
60 been at same company last 20 years. Will be very hard. 60 stays in jobs 3-5 years making connections at every stop. Much more likely to have another job or two at high pay still..
Freedom_Floridan@reddit
Take the offer
BlueNoyb@reddit
It's my dream that my job will offer early retirement incentives. They haven't done it for over ten years and specifically said last week they were not doing it again ever because it actually cost them more, but I will continue to dream.
NoKing9900@reddit
I was laid off two years ago at 58, from a private university. Got 16 weeks severance and unpaid vacation. My first call was to my financial advisor and he said all was good. I had a bit more in my retirement plans.
I was already on my husband’s health plan ( he was a public school teacher and they offered spousal health coverage for their retirees).
Is your job something you could turn into consulting? It is something to consider if you want to keep busy.
Taekwonmoe@reddit
I thought Cobra was 18 months?
Conscious-Egg-2232@reddit
It is. They are covering 12.
Taekwonmoe@reddit
Well good luck to ya. Looking forward to retiring soon hopefully as well.
AMom2129@reddit
It probably means they'll pay the costs for the year, not that COBRA only lasts that long.
Taekwonmoe@reddit
Gotcha
ThirdSunRising@reddit
Are you out of your damn mind? If I got this offer I’d be out the door in a heartbeat. Regain a year of your life with full pay? And you’re already close to retirement anyway? And you need to stop and think about it?
Stop thinking and go live your life. Holy crap. That’s not an offer you’ll get again.
TapeFlip187@reddit
With absolute sincerity -\ Get while the gettin's good.
Take that payout while your employer still has it to pay out.
Distinct_Disk_1610@reddit
Do you have equity in the company that needs to vest before a potential buyout? Is that equity worth more than the severance?
PlantSufficient6531@reddit
I would take that without hesitation, as the next round of offers is likely not going to be anywhere near as generous.
ZookeepergameOk2350@reddit
It’s all about the lifestyle you wanna live do you wanna live in the US? You probably need to get another job, but I’d take it and figure it out from there.
Nynydancer@reddit
This is a great package. I would take it.
Puzzled452@reddit
Agreed, this is the best and only offer. Take it and see what else is out there.
heyyabesties@reddit
Yup. Take the $$ and run. Nothing as good as this will be in the pipeline.
Impossible_Jury5483@reddit
Sounds like a big layoff/ separation is in the works. Unless someone from the company has given you Intel on staying, it might be a good option to take it. I'd start asking around the company what the plans are for the future.
No-Meringue5009@reddit
Take it. Take the year off. If you still need/want to work, then work again after the rested year.
finzup77@reddit
Take it and find a new job during the year severance
aja_303@reddit
Severance is great. COBRA may not be that wonderful if you have to pay yourself. Might be cheaper to buy coverage yourself on the market. Depending on your situation and goals, and considering your expertise/connections within the company, if they are positioning company for future sale, you might offer to contract with them through the sale.
Available-Ad-5670@reddit
how much do you spend? if you're 2 years out from social security, and you spend say 50k, you may be close to barista fire?
Fit_March_4279@reddit
1 take the offer before you end up laid off
2 the USA needs national healthcare!
All the BILLIONS being spent to fund wars, when we have oil, is just a waste of our taxes!!
ElSordo91@reddit
I agree. Healthcare should not be tied to employment. Insurance companies are just crooks; middlemen whose entire business model and profit margin is predicated on denying care. We all deserve better.
Fit_March_4279@reddit
Oh sorry… I didn’t know that happened when you used the “pound sign”
Elegant-Drummer1038@reddit
I got similar but it was in the form of firing at 61 with "no prejudice" and no reason ... I'm fucked :) sounds like you got it good, OP
Aggressive-Compote64@reddit
Happened to me at 50. Still no job prospects 2 years later. I hate it here.
Capital-Cheesecake67@reddit
That’s a four year gap until you are eligible for medicare. What are you going to do after that year of COBRA? Individual health insurance on the open market is pretty expensive especially since the expanded subsidies ended.
psiprez@reddit
The job won't be there in a year.
Capital-Cheesecake67@reddit
or it might.
systemfrown@reddit
On one hand that sounds like a good deal by current standards, but on the other hand it sure sounds like illegal age discrimination.
Dr_StrangeloveGA@reddit
My dad got laid off at 60yrs old about 20 years ago. He ended up retiring early, luckily it worked out for him and my mom. He had worked in middle management in manufacturing plants his entire career.
Basically no one wanted to hire a 60yr old. He probably COULD have found a job, but they didn't want to move again and my mom was wrapping up a 30 year plus teaching career (with a surprisingly lucrative retirement).
systemfrown@reddit
Yeah, a lot of men who worked long careers are only getting by in retirement by virtue of their teacher wife’s pensions.
Kiwiatx@reddit
That’s a really generous severance. I would take it and you have a year to figure out what to do about health insurance. You may end up in another job that offers it or one hack that I’ve read on here is to enroll in a local college and do just enough credits to get health insurance as a student.
Magnet2025@reddit
Take it. Believe it or not, you can get a new job at 60. You will have one year to find that new job.
Automatic-Unit-8307@reddit
Man, I would kill for that offer. Our company, with 70,000 people have a CEO that is making life miserable for everyone with her micromanaging. A lot of people where I work keep begging for early retirement package, but this -lace is cheap, they rather make everyone miserable and force you to to quit.
2 more years and I am out, if I make it that long at work
OddSand7870@reddit
Sounds like my buddy that works at Fannie Mae. He wants a package so so badly. When they resumed going into the office it went downhill quickly after that.
owossome@reddit
Don't burn down the warehouse or anything but like, maybe just stop doing a good job.
What_is_rich@reddit
Take it! You’ll be laid off within a year with a much less generous package. You don’t have to actually retire, you just retire from that job.
UsedHotDogWater@reddit
This is the truth. Packages get worse very quickly.
bobbierobbie76@reddit
Sorry mate
Ok-Operation-6432@reddit
My package has been deteriorating for years
owossome@reddit
Can you throw it over your shoulder like a Continental soldier?
Ok-Operation-6432@reddit
https://youtu.be/u6HNikdk9u4
Accomplished-B@reddit
If you can budget, have no rent or house payments, then take it. I only had about 150k and am 50, and retired from retail. BUT I am also about to graduate from college so I will have about 700$ monthly payment over my head soon. Kinda wish I hadn't gone back. Sooo, soon I will have to find work again, just not doing retail again unless it gets desperate. If I hadn't, I'd be just fine, my ira makes enough monthly to cover me without hitting the base line, plus weekly fun. If I knew 6 years ago I would crash from horrible burnout and stress 5 years later, and all the ducks would line up... I never would have gone back, and I would not be facing looking for a new career
tomnevers99@reddit
It sounds like you have made good decisions and have saved well. Still, it comes down to health insurance coverage. Not to get political but I’ll get political…. Imagine how easy these decisions would be with Medicare for all. I’m 50 and am permitted to retire at 62. The monthly health insurance payments between 62 and 67 are exactly why I won’t retire until 67. 5 more years of work, yay.
Grafakos@reddit
Medicare starts at 65, not 67.
Less_Tacos@reddit
Take it and sue for age discrimination. Intel used to pull this shit and it cost them.
KarmicWhiplash@reddit
OP won't get the package unless they sign a separation agreement that they won't sue.
duchess_of_nothing@reddit
Don't sue, call your state labor board.
MrsBSK@reddit
Exactly! Do not think about suing
Grafakos@reddit
Congratulations, you've won the jackpot!
Oldschoolgroovinchic@reddit
Take it. Because the next “offer” will be termination and you won’t get nearly as much (if anything).
Fair-Literature8300@reddit
Take it... or ask them to sweeten the deal.
If it were me, I would take the money and work on figuring out what to do next.
I have known a couple of folks who decided to 'stick it out'. One ended up with no severance. The other end up not even being paid his final paychecks.
If you have 1 year of health insurance paid, you may want to broaden your new job search to include contract and temp work (those gigs often don't include benefits)
eharvill@reddit
One year severance and health insurance? That's incredible. There is nothing else to sweeten at this point.
W0gg0@reddit
True. This is the way of the corporate overlords. First cometh the temptation. Then cometh the hatchet man.
Fickle-Milk-450@reddit
Take it and enjoy the rest of your life!
implicate@reddit
Are you just assuming they'll only live to 66? 🤣
TravelHippo@reddit
Are they paying the cost of cobra for a tear.
Bflatclar1981@reddit
Get the company to add covering the taxes on the lump sum check of a years salary.
Equivalent-Hair-961@reddit
Cobra is very expensive but you can use it til you find another option. Just don’t be late with a payment or your cobra terminates immediately.
Massive-Mission7782@reddit
take it because you wont get anything better with the time you have left there. its either this, or nothing.
Majestic-Ad-6753@reddit
I got a similar severance/bonus at age 48. I had to get another job, but if it happened again at 60, I would take it and (try to) stay retired.
Be aware of tax issues when you get an entire year’s salary in a single paycheck.
Sure_Flamingo_2792@reddit
If you can afford it and have things to do great. I did and regretted it because I actually liked what I did and thought I could take some time off and then get a new job. My age kept me from jobs that would have been a no brainer when I was younger. Age discrimination is difficult unless you are in a niche area. I also would have probably had more opportunity in a larger city, but am enjoying retirement now but had a few years I felt could have been much better.
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
I don’t hate what I do but don’t get the enjoyment I used to get out of it anymore. I only have a few 🌍 orbits around the sun left. There are some other things I have always wanted to do besides what I do now. Will probably go explore those opportunities.
ricecrystal@reddit
I would absolutely take it but it feels awful and illegal that they are targeting people 50+
WindowFruitPlate@reddit
It’s an early retirement offer, not a standard layoff
Myfanwy66@reddit
Semantics
inailedyoursister@reddit
Impossible to answer without your monthly spend number.
Betterway50@reddit
Irrelevant. Best offer is first offer
inailedyoursister@reddit
You clearly are lost here.
Used-Concern-5230@reddit
2.5 years ago I was laid off at just under 59. The paperwork said paid cobra. It was not free for me. Paid meant they put in their share and you pay the rest. It was much cheaper to go onto my wife's insurance. The cobra payment was 2x what I was paying as an employee.
You can also negotiate with them. Write up the details of your years of service and any major accomplishment you are responsible for. Better still if you get it on a lawyer's letterhead.
It will be worth it!! Good luck!
NetJnkie@reddit
Negotiate what? With what leverage? Why a lawyer? You have a lawyer send a letter in response to volunteer retirement offers and you'll get that offer pulled.
Used-Concern-5230@reddit
To be clear, they are offering a layoff. It doesn't matter what they call it. You sign paperwork that means they are off the hook and you can't sue for any reason. Most companies do not want a lawsuit from a protected class individual. The lawyer bills will be higher than giving the whole bonus and then some. I have been laid off 4 times in 40 years of working. The only time I had leverage was after 50. The worst they can do is say no.
The legal letterhead shows them that this is to be taken seriously.
NetJnkie@reddit
It’s an offer. Not a layoff. You have zero leverage. None. And it will create hostility. Starting with a lawyer letter is idiotic.
What should the letter say?
Used-Concern-5230@reddit
It is a get out of jail free card for the employer. It absolves them of any liability for violating the law and targeting protected class workers. Idiotic is signing and leaving with a smile not knowing if you can be retired or get a meaningful job. Companies don't do this out of kindness. It's all about the numbers. Older workers cost companies more because they use the benefits more. They get larger raises and pension or 401K matches. They are less likely to leave on their own.
As stated before, the letter should outline years of service and significant contributions to the company. It doesn't need to be a threat.
wawa2022@reddit
I would speak with HR and say “I’d like to make a counteroffer. Let’s say 2 years salary, keep you on the books for those two years, so instead of cobra, keep on getting regular insurance and salary. Full payout of 2026 bonus.” Don’t make it an ultimatum of take it or leave it. Make it clear it’s a counteroffer. They can say no, but they might do all or some of it. But at the end of the day, make a plan to get out of there with as much as you can. Take your stapler home with you tonight. 😂
eoworm@reddit
getting those "I don't even have to come into the office, I can do this job from home" vibes.
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imtoowhiteandnerdy@reddit
I'm 59, and if that was offered to me I'd grab it and run.
payne@reddit
Similar. I wish I got an offer like OP's
imtoowhiteandnerdy@reddit
I know I'm about to be laid off... ironically.
Environmental-Gap380@reddit
I had a position eliminated in a reorg, though a new role with +90% of the responsibilities of my job was created. I was offered a paycheck for every year of service, and a 2 month bonus to work until the last day. I’d also get any unused vacation paid out. I ended up getting the new position and a decent raise, but a few more years in since then, I hope to get an offer like this when I turn 60. I’d get over a year’s pay then. My former boss’s position was eliminated last year. He was 65 and got at least a year’s pay. He didn’t want to retire yet because of healthcare for his wife, but he didn’t want to take a position lower than his role then either.
sheepdog69@reddit
Hmm. Unless I'm reading that incorrectly, it sounds like you should have a call into an employment lawyer. (for age discrimination)
ultraswank@reddit
Not unless there's pressure to take it, and offer alone isn't discriminatory. Plus there's always the argument that those are the highest paid employees as well.
sheepdog69@reddit
I think you are right.
The initial description sounded (to me) like they were getting rid of everyone 50+. But, after reading OPs replies to similar comments, it sounds like those 50+ are getting retirement offers, and not the only ones being "targeted" for reduction.
crofootn@reddit
Nah. Same thing happened to me. Everyone who was “given the opportunity to explore new roles” was also given a sheet that listed a sampling of who else was given the same opportunity. It didn’t list names but it listed their role in the company and their age. It was basically to illustrate that not only did they fire everyone over 50, they also fired just enough younger employees so they could claim that no ageism was involved.
a_sheila@reddit
Funny you posted this. I watched this YouTube today you may find interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8JDADdWZCM
junulee@reddit
My former boss got a similar offer a few years ago, but his was at year-end, so he was able to get the severance in January, which helped down the related tax expense.
Finding_Way_@reddit
(after seeing this thread and a neighbor speaking of their early retirement offer)
Me to my Husband via text: "Honey, be sure to double check your email before you leave work for anything that might be from HR. I'll explain later. " (Keeping fingers crossed hoping he gets a similar offer!)
[Good for you OP!! I'd strongly considerate, especially if you were thinking of coming out within the next couple years ]
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
lol
carseatsareheavy@reddit
Are they paying the cobra premiums? If not then that is just fluff because cobra is usually available for 18 months but you have to pay the premiums
junulee@reddit
Large employers are legally required to provide COBRA for at least 18 months, so the offer must be that OP’s employer will cover the premiums for the first 12 months.
NoRoof1812@reddit
If you are sure the company will be sold within a year or so, you should probably take the offer. Good luck with everything.
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
It looks that way. We were bought out by a PE firm a couple of years ago. Every move the company has made since then has lipstick and rouge written all over it.
Visual_Wrangler_4185@reddit
18 months was the offer my company made
Substantial-Fun-48@reddit
Take it. You don’t want to be anywhere you’re not valued. It buys you a lot of time to find a new gig.
loquedijoella@reddit
Take it and run.
stacey1771@reddit
Cobra coverage is nothing; you pay the entire premium.
540 in the bank sounds great until you get sick and need insurance, so you still need 4 yrs of health ins coverage...
KCDawgTime@reddit
What are you talking about? Pretty sure his company would be paying the premium for a year.
stacey1771@reddit
do we know that for certain?? even if the job covers 100%, the rest of my point still stands since OP would be 61 when it ends.
BoltActionRifleman@reddit
We don’t know for certain, and if I had to guess OP would be paying it. COBRA is generally just a way to stay on the work health plan but you pay the premiums.
KCDawgTime@reddit
OP would have to determine that for sure. If it's not covered by the company, then its not worth mentioning as it's basically required by law. I was part of a RIF at my last company and got a very similar package, including full COBRA coverage. And yes, he would have to get another job and insurance coverage after the year, but the package gives him a nice runway. I took a month off and landed another job a month after that, so it worked out. He can't stay, as the next offer will not be as nice.
Not_Buying@reddit
They’re legally obligated to offer you 18 months of COBRA. If they’re giving one year at no cost, then he should definitely consider that like a pay raise.
stacey1771@reddit
18 months at your FULL cost, to be clear. Its not really a gift, right? But yes if they're paying 100% of a full yr it's a good thing
gbuildingallstarz@reddit
Rarely
gbuildingallstarz@reddit
Go with Obama care way cheaper
InsuranceJerk@reddit
What kind of non-compete do you have to agree to?
ItsNotGoingToBeEasy@reddit
Let’s put it this way, you challenge a non-compete. Get an attorney to look at it.
SausageBasketDiva@reddit
Take the money but prepare for the possibility that you are now going to be retired - the job market is not nice to 60 yr olds these days…
bugabooandtwo@reddit
Also be prepared to do something totally off the board.
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
Planning on doing just that.
NotDeadYet57@reddit
No it isn't. And insurance is horrific until you reach 65.
Dusty_Sequins@reddit
Without saying what your job actually is, if you could do freelance work to supplement for a while that might make you less nervous maybe? I’d take that deal in a second. The most we get offered where I work is no penalty for early outs.
sr1sws@reddit
"Leave the gun, take the cannoli."
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
One of my favorite movies.
Yeti_Urine@reddit
These types of offers seem to get worse and worse, I’d take the first one.
wild-hectare@reddit
congrats...I'm planning to fail down the stairs on my next trip to the corporate office
joshua_addison_music@reddit
Take it before they lay you off in the 4th quarter.
Icy-Pop2944@reddit
Gawd, I dream of a deal like this.
ExcellentCup6793@reddit
I’d take it in a second
NoRoof1812@reddit
You should probably take the offer. Please keep in mind that the current job market is bad. One of my friends was let go from a consulting/tech job at least a year ago. He has not been able to find a job. He is almost 60. Good luck with everything.
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
Yeah my current job is in tech and I plan on leaving it entirely. Burnt out on it. Going to do something else entirely.
ViolinistThis407@reddit
Take it.
rekstout@reddit
As a 50 year old who got laid off last year with barely a month's salary as severance and the ingnominy of having to stay on to train his two offshore replacements - take the money and run you idiot - respectfully.
others have said - leave now with a years salary in your pocket or get pushed out later with a far worse deal.
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sutter333@reddit
You lucky sob. Yes take it!!
RippingLegos__@reddit
Take it.
LangdonAlg3r@reddit
Take it. You can do something else for a few years if you want to. Take your skills and be a freelance consultant or something. Or just be done and enjoy life.
Fickle_Ad_8653@reddit
But look for a new job to see if you can find something good. If not, you are probably ok, but healthcare SUCKS until you hit 65. So try to find something.
Jamie22022@reddit
Dude. Run, take the money. Do something you want to do for 2 years and go enjoy life. I would be happy to take this offer
tungstencoil@reddit
Same advice I gave my brother:
The offer will diminish rapidly, and then they'll just lay you off anyway. Take it.
whocaresreallythrow@reddit
The first offer is usually the best. I’d take it and run.
Funksavage@reddit
Dude, that’s a generous severance.
ElleGeeAitch@reddit
Take it and scarper off! So many others in our generation are getting the book with nothing to look forward to in the immediate future other than unemployment insurance.
Altruistic-Panda-697@reddit
Go on, take the money and run…
ktappe@reddit
You say you have 540K in an IRA. No 401k? Nothing else?
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
Just rolled my 401K into the IRA but still contributing to the 401K. Also have about a year’s salary already in cash and cash equivalents.
Fluffy-Mine-6659@reddit
Pensions?? In that case, definitely take it. Can you get on your wife’s health plan? You can start drawing down your IRA as soon as you need it. Finding another full time gig might be very difficult, but you have a year to find contracting or consulting gigs in your field. They might pay better even. A little more savings would be ideal, but overall sounds like you’re in very good shape.
rlw21564@reddit
Getting on your wife's health insurance might be less expensive than going on COBRA but if you've already had a lot of expenses so far this year toward your deductible, it might make sense to go with COBRA depending on how high/low the deductible is.
Maleficent-Guess-581@reddit
Is your home paid off? Do you have a way to get insurance after COBRA? If you can start your own business, you will be OK no matter what. Medical Insurance is a huge expense. I was able to take a buy out bc my husband has lifetime insurance for both of us.
themobiledeceased2@reddit
BMedical insurance until Medicare kicks in at 65 is the pinch. Healthcare Marketplace Plans were previously a reasonable option.
fhalfpap@reddit
I don’t think marketplace are as affordable as they once were. I pay $1609/month for just me. Male 61 years old. Previously paid $1200 for both me and my wife who was 64 just 2 years ago.
Bluemanuap@reddit
COBRA insurance is the most expensive medical insurance on earth that the employee has to pay. The premiums are not paid by the employer.
Aggravating_Bat3618@reddit
Why could I never get a job like that? Lol
Most_Maintenance5549@reddit
Are you allowed to work somewhere else after that?
EwokNuggets@reddit
Why wouldn’t they? It’s their severance.
Advanced_Tax174@reddit
Sometimes severance agreements contain clauses that offset the benefit if you get another job.
So OP should ensure there is no such provision AND get the $ up front if at all possible.
And of course have an attorney review the paperwork.
EwokNuggets@reddit
Huh… TIL. What an awful thing. Quite the world we live in today.
Luggage-of-Rincewind@reddit
Some states refuse to acknowledge these, as everyone deserves the right to work. So if there is such a clause, check your states stance on it.
Still_Bumblebee_1607@reddit
Good point, complete clauses can really make things messy.
Next-Brilliant5132@reddit
What are your annual expenses? (Ie Do you have other savings?) With a low six figure salary, but only $540 k in an IRA, I would be concerned about retirement savings lasting because you’re so young. The obvious solution is to take the offer and find a new job, but often, at 60 that’s easier said than done.
hemidak@reddit
So lucky. Today I was called to the office to hear I was being terminated. The person terminating me knew my wife lost her job in January and has yet to find another.
hemidak@reddit
My wife has MS and is going to try to get disability. She had to take short term disability last year and they were holding it against her.
The plan is to sell our house and use the equity to buy a house outright. Location will suck but deseparate times..
I am going to take some time to look for another job so I can get this house ready to sell
bugabooandtwo@reddit
Oh, that is rough. I hope you both find something (a good something) quickly.
HumidMind@reddit
damn...sorry. Hold Fast.
Trick-Statistician10@reddit
Oh no! I hope you and your wife find new positions fast! 🤞🤞🤞
Acrobatic_Quote4988@reddit
Sounds like a pretty good deal. My severance in early 2024 was 6 months $ and 4 months Cobra. After csshing out my PTO, getting my 2023 bonus and 6 mos unemployment it was not bad at age 65. But your deal is even better!
I had 27 years with the company. Would have probably worked another year so worked out ok.
wilcojunkie@reddit
Take it and run like hell.
Solderking@reddit
I'd accept and then look for another job. Locums, full-time, whatever.
Turbulent-Demand873@reddit
Take it. The alternative is to be let go when the company is sold. It’s happening all over. People are losing their jobs without notice.
Step_away_tomorrow@reddit
i have always heard the first offer is the best offer.
Turbulent-Demand873@reddit
It’s the “we feel bad so this is what we are going to do to be nice offer”. After that it’s the “well, you got greedy. We weee relying to be nice. Now you’re out of luck” offer. That’s if you get a second offer. Usually it’s - you’re let go.
Pleasant-Minute-1793@reddit
No one is doing this to be nice.
They are dumping as much as they can before the sale to slim down. Depending if the new company is publicly traded, they won’t have offers for about a year and then layoffs will happen quietly. If they aren’t public, the offers will likely get worse unless there is some desperation for some reason.
The new company may also have worse benefits and this is a play to dump the old company’s costs
Advanced_Tax174@reddit
The point is also to offer something very generous so as induce employees to accept and remove the hassle and distraction of any attempts at discrimination lawsuits.
That doesn’t mean the Company thinks they are guilty of doing anything wrong, they are just willing to pay extra severance to get things settled quickly.
vajrasana@reddit
Also, you generally have to sign a waiver saying that you won’t sue them for any reason related to your separation.
Thin-Telephone2240@reddit
THIS! My severance package came with a pile of papers to read, initial, sign, initial some more, sign to verify that my initials were valid in place of signing ... No NDA but there was a "Hold Harmless" in there.
MrMackSir@reddit
See if you can negotiate longer cobra and you only pay part of the costs vs the full amount in cobra ay least for the rest of the year.
frackthestupids@reddit
Cobra is up to 18 months by law. Sounds like the company is paying the premiums for 12 months
MrMackSir@reddit
That is pretty good. It is worth asking if there is a way to extend.
I know someone who got 10 months of insurance (although they had to pay their portion) then cobra started so they were able to keep their coverage for 28 months. That was a nice bridge to Medicare for them.
Rich-Criticism1165@reddit
Just be mindful about taxes. If they pay you in a lump sum they tax the hell out of it. That is assuming you don’t already make a ton of cash.
WilliamofKC@reddit
I got less than half of what you are being offered. That is a pretty generous deal.
One-Medicine1521@reddit
I was offered similar 3 years ago and now I wish I had taken it. I'm 61 and I'm just done now. I'm burnt out. Tired. And I'm going to quit as soon as we sell our home, but I won't have a severance package like I would have received had I taken it 3 years ago.
oldfarmjoy@reddit
I was told I wasn't needed anymore. No severance.
Claque-2@reddit
Take the money and go have every test known to man. Colonoscopy, lung xray, blood tests, heart stress test, vision and glaucoma screening. All of them. Then get on your healthy eating kick 4 x a week, and a good 30 minute walking program in the am and after dinner..
Take any free classes offered by your unemployment office or state. Plan an in country holiday you always wanted - Grand Canyon, Niagra Falls, the Redwood forests. Do every national holiday. Memorial Day at a civic ceremony, a July 4th parade, a labor day parade for labor leaders killed for wanting their rights. Dress up for Halloween, spend Thanksgiving with Family, and New Years.
You dreamed about having more time to relax, so do it. Your work this year is to live well.
HumidMind@reddit
You get it, and say it well.
--vgriff--@reddit
Great plan but why limit to US travel? Lots of great places to go where your dollars really stretch. Good luck, OP!
skbugco@reddit
This. And contrary to what you’d think with gas prices rising outta control (for us Americans anyway), I’ve been getting a ton of notifications for cheap airfare the last week or so: ~$600 r/t to Tokyo, $4something to Fiji. I’m in the PNW FWIW.
I had an amazing time in New Zealand recently. Airfare is usually the biggest expense of going somewhere over the pond, once you’re there the other expenses offset the flight.
And- there’s a LOT of amazing places in our country. I’ve been fortunate enough to see quite a few- but there’s so many more.
Traditional_Fan_2655@reddit
This. Our company offered full salary +20% for 1 month for every year you had been there for a maximum 6 months. My team only had 2 company employed people - me anx my boss. The other two were contracted. I took it.
Not enough people took it. The ones in the department who were laid off next did not get the bonus severance. They had warned us in advance that if enough didn't volunteer, then there would be lay offs without the severance bonus.
If they are offering, they are trying to downsize. If not enough people take it, you most likely will be at risk. You most likely will not have the 'keep the job' option.
Grab the money and run.
EnglishDuckGal@reddit
I would take the offer while they still have the money to give it to you. Quite often, you never see that offer again and you end up getting laid off anyway
HumidMind@reddit
Or the company that buys them tosses OP like last week's fresh fish
Mycroft_xxx@reddit
That’s a good solid package. You should see if they are offering early retirement
JustSomeGuyInOregon@reddit
The insurance is the catch. One year takes you to 61, at what point do you qualify for Medicare? Ask for COBRA to cover that gap.
If they won't do it, ensure you have funds to make sure you are covered until Medicare / Medicaid kick in. One uninsured accident can ruin your retirement.
Lillie-Bee@reddit
Medicare is 65
JustSomeGuyInOregon@reddit
For some, 62.... But yeah, don't do that.
Lillie-Bee@reddit
If someone is disabled they can get Medicare before the age of 65, my ex was on it in his 30’s, but just regular retirement it kicks in at 65. I have been looking into it because my husband is 2 years older and will retire next year but he carries our health insurance so I will need to find a policy to cover just myself for 2 years. If Medicare still exists in 3 years.
Silver_Breakfast7096@reddit
The market place might be cheaper than cobra.
JustSomeGuyInOregon@reddit
Not if they are paying for it ;)
sjwit@reddit
The maximum limit for COBRA is 18 months. I'd ask them to run it for 18 months, but that's the max they'd legally be able to do.
The marketplace CAN ben managable, there are still some subsidies of your income is below a certain amount. (it could all change next year, though. Who knows?)
It's a good offer, though. I'd start by figuring out what your month budget is, and then figure out if you'll have enough income each month. You'll be able to file for social security at 62 if you want to, but you'll make more the longer you wait. With your IRA balance, you can "safely" withdraw around 4% per year (according to conventional advice, anyway). So run those numbers and make sure they work!
Good luck, OP!
Outrageous_Drag6613@reddit
Take the golden parachute 🪂 and split
NeoPrimitiveOasis@reddit
This is an outstanding offer. COBRA is expensive! I would take it. You will likely get a worse offer later...
Outrageous_Drag6613@reddit
He should take the offer. It’s a good deal
Thin-Telephone2240@reddit
A year's paid COBRA is serious money. My employer only paid for six months.
JRock1871982@reddit
I would take it while its there to take. Once is sells youd likely be let go without that nice offer anyway. Take a few months off bank the rest of the severance find something thatll give you the option of benefits a few months in.
curiousme123456@reddit
Take it. 5y and looking for new jib 4months. Corporate guy who life. If you don’t take they will probably reassign yiutonew job yiu hate and then yiu resign because ur miserable
No_hope_left72@reddit
Sounds like probably the best chance and offer you’re going to get. I would take it
GiveMeSomeShu-gar@reddit
Geez yes. They could just lay you off like the rest of us.
TheLarlagar@reddit
God I wish I would get an offer even remotely close to this. Congrats, or I’m sorry, whichever is appropriate
SyndicatedTV@reddit
Take it. Then go back as a contractor making double.
hautboishippie@reddit
That happens so often.
SyndicatedTV@reddit
Also hoping you get an opportunity to take time off before deciding what to do next wo worrying about much.
Cautious_Rain2129@reddit
55 to 65 is a hell zone to be in if you don't have medical coverage from somewhere. Paying out of pocket during this timeframe is $$$.
Zealousideal_Way_788@reddit
I’m paying $3K a month
CryIntelligent3705@reddit
Is this just for you?
Zealousideal_Way_788@reddit
w/ spouse
CryIntelligent3705@reddit
Thx for details
spintool1995@reddit
The key is to have a job with healthcare or earn nothing, live off savings and get free Medicaid or Obamacare. Don't take a part time job, you can do that once you're on Medicare at 65.
MikeMilzz@reddit
How fast can I say “YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS”?
AffectionateWheel386@reddit
Even if you accept their offer, you can still go to work someplace else. Or start something on your own. And if the company is going to be sold in the next year, taking an offer with this may not be so bad. I’m older I get it. It’s one of the reasons I work on my own.
Anthropic_me@reddit
Was given this offer March 29th of last year. Except company paid for full health coverage through Blue Cross. Took 2 months off, got bored then got a job May 30th and banked the previous salary.
Nearby_Impact_8911@reddit
Ugh so lucky
Anthropic_me@reddit
I like to think so. Entirely different field. Was 100% blue collar (machinist/production). Now 75% office and 25% in the field.field
LostCause2593@reddit
Done and DONE. I'd be out in a heartbeat if I got an offer like that from my company
togetherwegrowstuff@reddit
Wow. One year of pay and cobra. That's a nice severance. I worked at my place 15 years and they gave me 2 months pay. And cut my insurance same day. No cobra pay. I got screwed so hard. And none of it felt good. 😔
AllEeees@reddit
Um, if all employees over 50 are being laid off, is this an ‘agism’ thing? Is the company hiring replacements who are younger? Do you and the other ‘old folks’ maybe have a class action lawsuit?
Nawoitsol@reddit
They aren’t being laid off, they are being offered early retirement. The company is offloading high priced staff hoping to make the company more palatable to potential buyers.
My concern would be that the new company would layoff big chunks of the staff once they take over. That’s particularly true if the buyer is a competitor.
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
This is exactly the plan. They have already outsourced the functions a competitor would get rid of…IT, Accounting, etc.
DrSassyPants123@reddit
It's get bennie's now or when company goes under get nothing. Cash in, get a job elsewhere.
you_know_who_7199@reddit
If I got this offer at 60 I would jump at it. Hoping to be able to retire sooner than that anyway. Like way earlier.
Ready-Arrival@reddit
Maybe not be applicable to you personally (as in, you may not be interested in taking action) but this seems like a violation of ADEA if they were discriminating in who got the offers based on age.
paisleygrl89@reddit
Nope. Special Retirement offers are totally legal and done often.
Ready-Arrival@reddit
Thanks for clarifying!
Dangerous-Art-Me@reddit
That’s why they offer severance. As part of accepting the (fairly decent) package you typically waive your right to sue for age discrimination.
Same-Inflation@reddit
Take the offer and if you can’t get healthcare after cobra is up then take a PT job for health insurance.
mapoftasmania@reddit
Take it. Then take two months immediately to do something you have always wanted to do.
Then come back and make a plan to secure additional income somehow. Do not expect you will be able to get another job in your field - agism is real and pervasive. So you may have to pivot.
Source: Ad Guy who got laid off with a year, went skiing and now has Home Services business
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
Thanks. Already have a pivot in mind.
herstoryhistory@reddit
This is excellent advice. Figure out how to make your own way in this crazy world. Or better yet, retire for good.
jeon2595@reddit
Sounds like a paid one year vacation with medical benefits. I’d take it and probably get another job after a few months.
harrimsa@reddit
Take the money and run
nocandu99@reddit
A good friend of mine was about to retire this year. He could've retired a long time ago, but he didn't now he has stage four cancer and it's not looking good. I know what he would tell you go and don't look back.
Agathocles87@reddit
For myself, I would say take the offer. If you say no, what will happen to you then? If they sell the company, it would be entirely legal for the new company to not hire you. There would be no employment rights because your current employer wouldn’t exist anymore (presumably).
gr00veadelic@reddit
I’d take it, I sat back and watched my friend pass up a voluntary early retirement plan similar to yours, and then was laid off a year later without any benefits whatsoever. When life opens the door for you, smile, say thank you and walk thru the door
Comfortable_Fruit847@reddit
Take the offer. If you don’t they very well may just lay you off instead.
KungFuAdam@reddit
take the money and run and dont look back!
Outrageous_Drag6613@reddit
Take the package
Boring-Risk-9659@reddit
Take the package. They're going to get rid of you anyway and the offer won't get any better. I mean, you could ask for a few months more of COBRA, but I wouldn't expect it - but it doesn't hurt to ask.
Low-Sandwich-7389@reddit
Take the money but just prepare yourself if you are going to try to find another job. My husband was in this same place 6 months ago. He took the buyout, which was a great deal, planning on quickly getting another job. He needs to work for a few more years at least. But he is finding it very difficult getting another job even though he is extremely qualified and has his masters. His skills are not obsolete and he has followed new technology and systems. It has been difficult for him.
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
Plan on leaving my field entirely. I have second career in mind that would not pay as but would pay the bills.
ascii_ebcdic@reddit
OP, if you're already planning a pivot, I'd suggest using this as your jumping off point. Where there's a buyout, layoffs tend to follow, and knowing you made the decision for yourself makes a world of difference for mental health. Having seen many others reject buyouts and then get laid off, I took a buyout at 56 and pivoted. Yes, it took some time to find a another job and COBRA's pricey, but I never regretted my decision for a moment - nor has anyone else I know who took a buyout. Some retired, some continued working, but that cushion gives you options. I wish you all the best with whatever you decide to do!
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
Thanks. Been thinking about a pivot for a while. Something I’ve always wanted to do even though it is not glamorous.
ascii_ebcdic@reddit
Doesn't have to be glamorous, if it's something you'd enjoy! You've earned the right to enjoy what you do, and not everyone gets that opportunity 😉 Carpe diem, dude!
iotakbc@reddit
And sometimes that’s all you need and healthcare
Unable_Long4053@reddit
Yes....I got a similar offer and took it in June 2023, when I was 60. Equivalent to about 14 months salary and I'm on my spouse's healthcare...so I didn't need cobra. I lived conservatively for the first 2 years and then initiated my monthly pension mid-2025 when I turned 62. It worked out perfectly for me. Still feels weird to be "retired"....but I don't feel the need to become employed again. I do miss the sense of affirmation I got from work and I miss the social aspect of working for a huge company. Overall, all is good and I'd make the same decision again.
ShouldBeeStudying@reddit
Why is the employer bothering to make this offer instead of laying you off?
jondes99@reddit
Because they don’t suck?
jay-2014@reddit
I honestly think I’d take it then immediately get to work in my post retirement work plan. I know I’ll want to keep working but I won’t be able to do tech any more. Talk with a fiduciary to get some solid advice. But your savings is solid. Great position to be in
Tuckerguy77@reddit
I would jump all over that.
Myfanwy66@reddit
Me too. And go into consulting.
Several-Mix5478@reddit
What is your annual budget (cost of living)? Any other income you can count on besides this $540k?
Despises_the_dishes@reddit
Just turned 49 and got laid off from a company I was at for 11 years. I got nothing.
CosmicTurtle504@reddit
I got a rock.
DonorBody@reddit
Upvote because I use this all the time and no one gets it.
damnfoolbumpkin@reddit
I get it :)
okakie@reddit
The offer is generous, but $540k doesn't seem like enough to live on exslusively. What is your full retirement age?
IMBD-Shadow@reddit
I can only say, they're offering something decent. Take the rest with a grain of salt, but private equity is heinous and/or the new company doesn't care & thinks they know better. Either way, I'd say take the sweetheart deal, leave in decent shape, because the force quit is ugly. Seriously, hunger games ugly.
Difficult_Ad2864@reddit
Wait until the company gets bought out and you might have a much higher severance
jjillf@reddit
After reading this, I was thinking about if this happens to me. Then I realized at 55, I’m honestly at or below the average age for my organization. If they offered this, the place would be gutted 😂.
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
Yeah. In my group there are 13 employees. Eight of us received the offer.
jjillf@reddit
Dammmmmn. They’re selling. You should bail while they’re paying. I hope your planner can help you make a plan. Good luck.
ofthrees@reddit
that is BOLD. in addition to your money manager, i'd be making calls to attorneys.
i'm not one who cries "ILLEGAL" at everything an employer does, because i'm close enough to the sausage making that i know age discrimination can be really hard to prove, but if you are correct that they sent this to everyone 50 and older without sprinking in enough non-minority youngbloods to legitimize it, i have to think that's worth a free consult.
that said, if you can afford to live after severance expires (with the understanding that COBRA isn't coverage so much as you being allowed to pay their cost for a year vs three months, eating deeply into the severance), then sure.
but i'd try to get them to share what your COBRA costs will actually be, if nothing else. it would be nice if you could negotiate full benefits for that year and the full bonus payout, but i wouldn't be surprised if they refuse to negotiate.
all this said... i'm guessing they're doing the thing of selling to PE. so, if you don't take the package, you will almost certainly be shitcanned after buyout without anything approaching this.
i'm mostly chiming in to make sure you're aware that COBRA is going to cost you as much as going out to the marketplace, and to say that if they are truly, openly shedding all the old-timers, that is absolutely nuts.
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
It is an early retirement offer. Not a layoff.
iftheygivinitaway@reddit
What's the difference? Certainly sounds like getting laid off. If you don't take the offer, will you then be laid off without the severance?
critterofthewood@reddit
This is exactly what happened to me. I turned down the early retirement option and exactly one month later as told my position had been eliminated. The severance package is exactly the same as the first offer though. Only difference I see is that I can still file for unemployment when the severance runs out.
iftheygivinitaway@reddit
Bingo
ofthrees@reddit
that's what worries me for OP. if it is turned down, they are 100% gonna get laid off by the [private equity firm] purchasing the company.
i backed down because yeah, right now it's an "early retirement offer," but what it really is, is an age-targeted RIF couched in 'early retirement.'
OP is probably wise to just take it, because the next offer won't look anything like this, but still.
ofthrees@reddit
fair enough. definitely get a number on that COBRA cost, if nothing else. look at your tax doc from 2025 for a sense of what you're going to be paying, so that you at least know what to expect and aren't caught off guard.
NetJnkie@reddit
Calm down bro. This isn't age descrimination. It's an early retirement offer. Totally normal to be offered to those beyond a certain age.
Kalena426@reddit
I was 49 when this happened. It is really age discrimination, ADEA. They targeted an age demographic. It's not retirement when you still have to work till 65-70.
NetJnkie@reddit
How is it age descrimination? It's a voluntary retirement offer. Very common for people over a certain age. The law is basically as long as it's not a pressured acceptance of the offer it's not discrimination.
ofthrees@reddit
yeah, already backed down on that, but i do still beat the drum that OP needs to get a number on that COBRA expense and factor it in, because it is going to be high.
Xyzzydude@reddit
One year severance is super generous. You’ll never see an offer like that again.
Fancy_Use_6813@reddit
True. I was promised 24 weeks severance, then Feds approved a flat $3k + 1 yr med coverage. While I wanted the money, I was ready for early retirement & was able to get 2yrs of COBRA. The health care is most important.
mattmillertime@reddit
Im with it. Thinking the same thing
Mindless-Baker-7757@reddit
Can you pick up another job?
GroundbreakingHead65@reddit
The first, voluntary offer is likely to be the best one you will get.
wtfnevermind@reddit
YASSSSS please!
Odd-Persimmon-1860@reddit
Take the money and run. I had 2 weeks notice with no severance and only 230 in my 401k. Luckily I have savings. But it is rough. Luckily I also had started to streamline monthly expenditures to prepare for retirement and go into a 5 year plan to get to 65. Being frugal has saved me.
Shoehorse13@reddit
I got DOGEd with a similar offer last year and we were in a position to take it. Don’t regret it for a second!
No-Jicama3012@reddit
That’s a great package and year of cobra coverage is icing on the cake because it is expensive.
Take it.
MrRGG@reddit
My company does Early Retirement offers... then the layoffs. It's been the cycle for decades.
I've got a lot of friends who've taken the Early retirement offer over they years. Not a single one has regretted it. Most retired, some work p/t. ALL are much happier out of the corp grind.
I'm 60 also and got the offer last month. It's a good offer so I took it. Just gotta grind out another few months till my exit date.
Take it and move on.
NerdfestZyx@reddit
Once they sell the company, you are going to be let go without any compensation. Take the offer.
AEW_SuperFan@reddit
This. If you are in the acquired company it is only a matter of time before your get cut.
Rusticals303@reddit
Take it and go apply for government jobs. Any government job.
StandingBear44@reddit
I’d take it. Next offer won’t be as good (if there even is one)
vexed_fuming@reddit
This is the play. The next buyout will be worse. Always take the earliest buyout
Clamper5978@reddit
I wish my work would do this. Too many 60+ blocking upward movement. I have a few years to go, but I’m out at 60-61.
Gen_Ecks@reddit
I am in the same place as you right now. 59 with over 20 years, got an early retirement offer last month. Total value is a bit more than a year’s pay plus bonus. Wasn’t expecting to leave for a few years but I Did my due diligence and I’m taking it. This company is changing and I am ready to find something less stressful to do for the next few years before calling it quits at 63-64. Check out firecalc.com,it lets you run models based on your plans.
GiaStonks@reddit
Take the money. Within six months they'll probably ask you to come bask under contract. Charge at least double!
Aromatic_Industry401@reddit
I was offered 12 weeks pay along with accrued vacation time which added up to 18 weeks pay. But they did tell me in person.
Pug_867-5309@reddit
In the words of one of our generation's favorite musicians..."Go on, take the money and run."
sonder2017@reddit
Take the money and run! And find a new gig along the way
indexasp@reddit
I’d take that in a heartbeat.
AskPsychological2868@reddit
You say that. I was given no choice. I have savings so not that big of a deal except for the health insurance. At 60 it’s not cheap. I can either live- mortgage and utilities, food etc. or have health insurance
indexasp@reddit
I say that as someone with a bit over 1 month of paid-for cobra and monthly salary stipend left after a layoff end of Feb.
AskPsychological2868@reddit
And your age? The older you are, the higher the cost for health insurance. Also makes it more difficult to find a new job
indexasp@reddit
7 years your junior. Kids and wife and pets. And elderly parents x 3. And no incomes across all adults.
AskPsychological2868@reddit
I am so sorry. I hope things work out for you
ShezeUndone@reddit
I would take it.
If you need extra cash, consider substitute teaching. Districts are happy hire older people for this job. In many cases you can pick which schools or grades you want to work with. High school subbing is pretty easy. Teachers don't expect you to know the subject matter so they just take a test or work on previously assigned work. You're just there to keep them from running amok.
Hungry-Treacle8493@reddit
I’d probably take it. Certainly talk to your advisor first though. If you don’t need the COBRA coverage, see if they could flip that savings into additional severance or a catch up 401k contribution.
Remember, you can still go try to get another gig to supplement but getting hired as an older person is very daunting unless you have a skill that folks hire consultants/contractors for.
Fit-Reality-2872@reddit
From the outside, It seems like a no brainer. I would take it. Since they’re offering bio, it sounds like there’s something in the works for the future and you might just get laid off within a year or two anyway. So definitely take that year salary and look for something else to do with gel retirement!
MrsSwimmer@reddit
I would take that immediately if it were me. The first offer is usually the best one.
big65@reddit
Not me but it happened to many at Huntington Ingalls Industries in 2015 because of the sequestration fallout from 2013, once they went through that list they went after anyone with the slightest of non firable infractions.
MassConsumer1984@reddit
Take it. Btw, COBRA is hella expensive, especially if you have a family on it as well. Just a heads up.
paisleygrl89@reddit
I think he meant COBRA is free for a year. Law requires it be offered for up to 18 months, not less.
LowArtichoke6440@reddit
Offering Cobra and the company actually paying for it are 2 entirely different things.
swaggering_yak@reddit
OP posted in a reply the company is covering the cost
MassConsumer1984@reddit
Ah, yes I misread that. Thx
SkipinToTheSweetShop@reddit
right cobra is like $1k a month normally. To keep your crappy plan you signed up for.
Apprehensive-Fix591@reddit
This. It basically depends on how much the company was paying. At my company they pay about 80 percent. With COBRA you pay the full amount.
ntyperteasy@reddit
My last boss had worked for many years for a famous mega corp. survived several rounds of layoffs until he didn’t. His advice was to take the sweet offer because it will just get more unpleasant after that.
I’d be grateful they offered anything and didn’t let the new owners kick everyone to the curb with nothing.
I recently switched jobs and am happy. Change can be good. Doing it on your own terms is way better than searching desperately for a new job because the mortgage is late…
Tater72@reddit
So I had a call and was moved out in ‘23. I took the cobra money stuck with other insurance and pocketed that too.
PSA: if you apply to Medicaid and get rejected through the state, Obamacare opens up enrollment
Treibh@reddit
I got my offer and retired a few months before I turned 60, years salary/bonus/ cobra for a year - I hit a year in May
I was scared and anxious, talked with my planner, friends and family
Glad I took the offer
MishmoshMishmosh@reddit
My company did this in 2019 but I was too young then but I’m 55 now so I’ll be on the list. I got a kid in college but I hold the medical benefits for my family..
crossstitchbeotch@reddit
I would take it. You could do something kind of fun part-time if you can’t make it work quite yet.
Every_Move_8113@reddit
So…my company had a similar situation and offered severance, etc. for retirement. I wanted to hold out a little longer so didn’t take it. But the next week, they RIF’ed most of us. Would have gotten a better deal taking the retirement. Talk to your finance guy and try to take the retirement offer
MishmoshMishmosh@reddit
Damn that sucks
Deckard_SG@reddit
Take it, its free money, don't hesitate. If you want to keep working, go for it, but turn away free money, ever.
NetJnkie@reddit
It's a calculated risk. It's free money in that OP won't have to work for it but if they can't retire yet it may put them in a serious bind given the current market and their age.
PitoChueco@reddit
Or the company comes back in 6 months with an involuntary retirement and less dough.
TripMaster478@reddit
This 100%. Take the money and chill for three months. Then figure out your next path if there needs to be one.
skiphandleman@reddit
I would take it. That's a pretty good deal. If you aren't ready/able to retire yet, it at least gives you some flexibilty to just work part time or take your time finding a new gig.
DPax_23@reddit
Take it. Go live like a prince in Mexico with very good affordable healthcare then reevaluate when you qualify for Medicare.
abananaberry@reddit
You have insurance you can do a passion project or work part time at a place where you might enjoy a discount. Hotels have great hotel discounts for employees and you could try front desk, banquets or breakfast attendant. Even it out with some volunteers work to keep socially active too.
hungrykoreanguy@reddit
Also factor in unemployment benefit
WindowFruitPlate@reddit
Many states don’t allow double dip…. Just an fyi
hungrykoreanguy@reddit
Correct after severance is paid out
MeowMeowCollyer@reddit
Do it
Doggers1968@reddit
One year COBRA isn’t much. Make sure you can find adequate health insurance to cover the gap to age 65.
Pmoneywhazzup@reddit
You must research this! My friend and I just retired; we are both 59. I was a Fed and I will pay $500 a month for family coverage, including separate dental and vision coverage. My friend was in the private sector. Since the ACA subsidies were cut, he pays $1700 a month for his wife and him. Robbery! He gets no relief until Medicare at 65.
ExtraAd7611@reddit
If they can figure out a way to live on a modified AGI below the ACA cliff, they could qualify for a subsidy. That would be about $84k for a couple filing jointly or $128k for a family of 4. If you are in the DC or other HCOL area with a mortgage, that may not be easy without a lot of advance strategizing (i.e. hoarding cash outside a traditional 401k/ira).
Pmoneywhazzup@reddit
There’s no way they could get under that. She has a fully taxable pension that exceeds that by itself.
ExtraAd7611@reddit
Yeah, not easy. On the other hand, congrats to you and them for a successful well-funded retirement!
Pmoneywhazzup@reddit
Yes, we are crushing it. Very grateful. Feeling sympathy for everyone getting laid off these days.
bugaloo2u2@reddit
You are so lucky 🍀
Sea-Homework1991@reddit
Make sure the new company buyer abides by this. Have a lawyer look at it.
PilotKnob@reddit
It's your decision, man. If it works for you and your budget, then go for it. We were offered a "Voluntary Separation" package during Covid and my wife still regrets not taking it, but it was for 5 years of 2/3 base pay and full bennies. Quite a different deal.
nycinoc@reddit
Interesting that it was to every employee 50 and older. I got sacked from my last gig 2 days before Xmas as part of a "reorg" and HR made sure to send out a memo with everyone's position and age (names excluded) to prove that it wasn't an age thing.
bylebog@reddit
Yeah if it was to everyone older than 50 it seems like a pretty easy win for a lawyer at least in the states. In which case you maybe take the money and sue them. Don't trust me. I'm not a lawyer
doglady1342@reddit
Are they going to pay for that Cobra coverage? Cobra is really expensive. If you take the offer, I would get quotes on health insurance not through the employer just to compare. I quit offering Cobra coverage at my business because nobody ever took it. It was cheaper for them to get their own. Now, note that I was able to do that because I was a small business under the threshold required to offer cobra.
I would probably take the offer because of the businessI would probably take the offer because of the business gets sold, you might get nothing or you might get a lot worse offer. However, I'm hoping you have other savings or another source of income besides that retirement account. Half a million-ish isn't much to retire on.
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
They are paying for the coverage.
marklikestolearn@reddit
Omg I’d love that deal! Pretty sweet offer tbh
Old-Kaleidoscope1874@reddit
It sounds like you're going to be forced out eventually anyway. I guess they're trying to devalue their business so they can look more appealing. You can dump about $32+ into your Roth 401K this year, then use the rest of the severance to pay off any revolving credit. That'll put you at around $23K to $29K a year (4%-5%) withdrawal annually. See how those numbers work for you until you can find something else or hit 62.
Hyrul3e@reddit
This guy maths on his cake day!!
niff007@reddit
Wow thats a pretty sweet package. I took one at 53 and I thought it was great but not quite as generous. Best of luck!
Sufficient_Stop8381@reddit
Take it and run. Chances are they’ll eventually cut you anyway if you don’t take it. And for much less. About twice what I got when I got bounced at 50.
Automatic-Squash-162@reddit
I wonder if we work for the same company....
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
Sent you a DM.
SkipinToTheSweetShop@reddit
damn, free cobra? Thats like $12k a year.
Littleroo27@reddit
Are they offering a year of COBRA or paying for a year? Because that’s a huge difference in cost.
LowArtichoke6440@reddit
This right here. Need to clarify who is paying for the Cobra. The company may be offering equivalent coverage, except that you have to pay for it and it’s very costly. My husband was laid off last year and was offered 6 months of Cobra, though the company had no intention of paying for it. Very misleading.
Upbeat-Strategy-2359@reddit
The ink on the paperwork wouldn’t have even dried before my desk was cleaned out and I was in my car! Lol
nmacInCT@reddit
I took an offer at 54. Not quite as generous but good enough to go, especially as the atmosphere was getting toxic. I had planned to go into non profit with she signs a year or Americorps. But then Mom needed someone to live with her. I was glad that the timing was perfect. So zero regrets
Silent-Ad9145@reddit
Cobra is ridiculously expensive. And they have to offer it; it’s not like is part of the offer. Paying their half until Medicare would help
Experiment_262@reddit
Just remembering back when I was laid off during the tech bust, I think you need to take the offer and run, I don't think you are going to get a better deal out of it and I just see the offers getting worse as time goes on.
It's pretty generous for a corporate layoff.
FewPilot7832@reddit
Take it gladly. Don’t wait because the buyouts only get worse for you.
jaydee729@reddit
I did it (but at 57). Best decision of my life.
Medicare starts at 65, so you only have to fund COBRA for four years. And if you have a working spouse, you may be eligible for their health plan.
You can draw from 401k immediately, but bank it as long as you can, so you have a cushion. Plus, you can start Social Security as well, but again, wait (and see what your FA has to say).
The best thing is: not working.
JoshOfArc@reddit
Agree with this with the caveat that COBRA is expensive as hell. Insurance on the government exchange is gong to be a lot cheaper. That said, plan on four years on your own dime. For me and my wife that means roughly $27k/year. Ouch!
Bottom line is take this offer. I guarantee you if you say no, the next time will be zero severance package. If your company is offering this to older employees now it means more bloodshed is coming after this.
Also... "The best thing is: not working." Hard truth.
kent_eh@reddit
I got a similar (not quite as generous as yours) offer when I was 59.
I jumped all over that and didn't look back.
Between the payout (partially invested) and my pension I'm living a very happy and comfortable life.
My retirement income is within a few hundred dollars of my typical monthly spend. Which means that my invested money is available for doing whatever I want.
I took the first ~6 months after retiring to pretend I was on vacation, and not give myself any stress about "what do I do next"
After that, I've settled into a routine of long daily walks, a few hours of volunteering each week, starting a hobby youtube channel, and attending whatever free (or low cost) community events I find.
d_ippy@reddit
You are living my dream. What a great severance package!
Suspicious_Spite5781@reddit
I’m not even 50, yet, and I would have asked how quickly I need to clean out my personal effects. LOL
Take it, enjoy a summer of fun, then find something else. Once that’s secured, decide if keeping what’s left should go into a high yield account, pay off debts, or whatever seems best for you. Even if you’re not making as much, you have a bit more cushion to be comfortable making less AND, you had an awesome summer!
Inca-Vacation@reddit
take the offer while it is on the table.
90Carat@reddit
Agreed. Soon, there will be a standard layoff.
Take the money.
Sdogs1212@reddit
If you have a pension take the deal.
DuffyBravo@reddit
What's a pension?!?! ;)
No-Elk-6200@reddit
A pension is an employer-sponsored retirement plan—often called a defined benefit plan—that guarantees a regular, predetermined income (usually monthly) for life after retirement. The employer manages the investments, bears the financial risk, and calculates the payout based on factors like salary and years of service.
DuffyBravo@reddit
Thank you. But I was being sarcastic. I know what a pension is just it seems very rare to have one these days.
Thin-Telephone2240@reddit
I was surprised that one of my old employers had a pension plan. Apparently it was a legal or contract requirement when the company was bought up by a bigger one. All workers were fully vested at time of sale regardless of time with the company. Not that it's a big check each month, just $256.
But I like it! :)
mrsroperscaftan@reddit
I lived in Bethlehem PA when they cancelled the remaining pensions from Bethlehem Steel. It was ugly.
Thin-Telephone2240@reddit
My happiest day working was the day my manager's manager interrupted my work and had me walk to a conference room to learn some executives far, far away had sent a list of positions to terminate. I took the offered package and haven't had a second thought about the place or working for a living.
I will say you got a much better deal than I got at 64. Between my severance package of 20 weeks pay, 5 weeks accumulated PTO hours, cash in my checking account and my retirement fund I had just over $225K. I realized I could live frugally and make it to my 100% Social Security date. So I did that but also fixed up a home I'd bought for my mother years ago, before she passed. Turned that into a rental and signed a contract with a management company. So, that rent pays my mortgages, I am now on Social Security and have more than half the original amount of cash left in the retirement fund.
To make an informed decision on how to proceed you need to consider how long the money will last for a given standard of living. You may need to lower your expectations.
There are other obvious factors: Are you single or married and supporting a spouse? Children out of the house or being supported? Debts and mortgages? Got yourself a Bucket List or just vacation places you always wanted to go? All these things cost money.
Me, I'm very pleased to not be working anymore. Absolutely love it. I did have random thoughts for a little while about projects that were left undone, all the knowledge in my head. But that passed soon enough and honestly, I really don't care about those things.
Good Luck to you!
Oldebookworm@reddit
I would, even if it was just my piddly 60k and 40k in the 401k
LadySiren@reddit
Late 50s, I am now semi-retired since I was laid off but brought back as a contractor. I thought I would hate it but I am loving it. I can now work as much or as little as I like, and I set my schedule.
We’re okay money-wise, and I have health insurance through the VA. If you’re comfortable with what you’ve got for retirement, I say go for it.
VegasBjorne1@reddit
The biggest issue will be healthcare insurance after the year ends, assuming you cannot find employment or desire to find employment elsewhere. Many people look to the State Healthcare Marketplace (ObamaCare) for which premiums are based upon income.
However, there are legal workarounds as qualified withdrawals from a Roth IRA do not count as income for Affordable Care Act (ACA). As you are over 60, you could draw upon your Roth IRA without penalty assuming you have held the account for more than 5 years.
I would take the deal, as it seems you will be laid-off sooner than later, so get something with the offer.
brokenmcnugget@reddit
where are you based? in California it is illegal to mass fire employees 50+ and all such firings need to be written down with dates and ages when it happens.
Iwentforalongwalk@reddit
Holy cow. Take it. They'll get rid of anyway later without such a generous package.
blueboatmich66@reddit
Go for it and enjoy your life.
BeautifulBalance05@reddit
This is a great deal. That standard these days is more like 4 weeks plus a week for every year you were with the company.
SmallHeath555@reddit
can you get insurance from your spouse? Do you have kids?
No_Hovercraft_821@reddit
If the money man says you are good, I'd jump on it. But there are a lot of expenses to work out with health insurance being a primary one. Retirement is a major transition so think it through, but a year deep into it myself I've been enjoying not having a 9-5 gig quite a bit.
Ray_The_Engineer@reddit
I'm 59/M, and shifted to part time last year to get some breathing space to figure out what I want to do next. There's a lot to say for taking some time to enjoy life while some youth remains.
raqnroll@reddit
Option B: You stay, company gets sold, you get let go with 8 weeks severance and no healthcare.
Unkindly-bread@reddit
Better than getting let go with a 6 week severance that I got last Thursday.
ScarletCarsonRose@reddit
You guys are getting severance 🧐
Maja_Bean@reddit
I was laid off at 62. Turned out to be a real blessing. At first I interviewed a few times, but my heart wasn’t in it. It’s been 2 years since the layoff and I’m still giddy that I am retired.
Muggi@reddit
Dude, take it and run!
ZogemWho@reddit
I got 3 months severance (more like 3 months notice, do what you want with the time), 6 month COBRA. Like you, I setup a meeting with my financial advisor. That was 6 years ago.
lazygerm@reddit
I think I'd take it.
I know where I work there can be early retirement offers, but rarely have they ever gotten better before the offer window ended.
lsp2005@reddit
Using the 4% rule you can spend roughly 20,000 a year with 540,000 in savings. You will need a new job to help you make up the difference if your annual spending is more than that.
vajrasana@reddit
Since it’s not a mandatory layoff at this point, would it really be considered age discrimination (in a court of law)?
In my experience, companies do this first to try to get the elders (us) to voluntarily retire. If they don’t get enough ppl to accept (to meet their target payroll reduction), then the next step is usually a general round of layoffs where everybody (and every age group) is potentially at risk. The second is round is also not voluntary, so they will be sure not to target a certain age demographic.
lsp2005@reddit
Yeah this does not meet the test.
Individual_Ad_3036@reddit
I'd have a chat with an employment attorney if they only offered it to those over 50. that's a protected class they're trying to clean out. imagine if that was a race, or religion they were doing it to.
BeautifulBalance05@reddit
Why? It’s the employees that didn’t get an offer that would have a beef. Not the ones that did.
paisleygrl89@reddit
Plenty of companies offer Special Retirement windows... you gotta be retirement eligible though, and the bottom of that chart is usually 50, but sometimes 45.
PracticalApartment99@reddit
Kinda hard to offer an early retirement option to 30 year olds…
TheSpatulaOfLove@reddit
‘Early retirement’ is a fancy term for a layoff.
I have seen it offered to younger workers, usually when they wanted to keep positive salaries on the low end of the scale.
Impressive-Health670@reddit
It’s legally permitted to make the offer to only those above a certain age. It just needs to be voluntary and with sufficient consideration time.
ThumbsUp2323@reddit
I'd take this in a heartbeat. At the very least, it's a year long sabbatical
Affectionate-Map2583@reddit
That's a great deal with a full year's salary! I think the health insurance coverage from 61-65 will be your biggest concern. Do you have a spouse who can cover you both? Have you looked to see how much it will cost you on Obamacare? If you don't take it and your company is sold, how confident are you that they'll keep you?
I took an early retirement buyout from the federal government 7 years ago. I got $40,000 but my biggest perk was that I can remain in the fed employee health benefit system, paying the same proportion of the premium as people who are still employed. I also get a small pension that's 25% of my former pay.
I took some time off but now have a part time job for low pay ($25k/year). I paid off my house with the buyout money, and between the pension, part time job, and lower expenses due to a way shorter commute and no mortgage, I have not yet touched any of the money in my retirement account. I think I'm just old enough to do that now if I wanted to.
dawgfanjeff@reddit
Make like Billy Jo and Bobby Sue.
dmelt253@reddit
I'd take this offer and I'm 45
Rudajuda@reddit
Yup. Take it and run.
SkullFizz@reddit
Take it and run.
IDunnoReallyIDont@reddit
I was laid off at 50 with severance, full pension and bonus payout (2 of them) and retiree discounts. But I rolled right into another job paying more. I think that’s easier at 50 than 60. Do you plan to fully retire?
SarcasticGirl27@reddit
If I saw the writing on the wall like you seem to OP, I would take the package & run. I’d apply for unemployment & start looking for something else. It’s too early to retire, but I’d pay off debt & live as frugally as possible until I found something new.
But let’s be honest, unless you work with your hands, your job is going to be replaced by AI soon. I’m being encouraged to use AI in my role as a risk analyst. I know what I’m doing. I’m making myself irrelevant.
ExtraAd7611@reddit
In my state and I assume most other states, op would not qualify for unemployment until the severance payment is exhausted, so a year from the last day of work. Which is a huge cushion.
Legitimate_Ocelot491@reddit
Not every state so OP MUST research that.
Illinois allows collection of unemployment while on severance. Happened to me a few years ago.
SarcasticGirl27@reddit
I believe NJ allows it too. I’ve had friends who were laid off & got a severance package & applied for unemployment right away. The process is quite long in NJ so they encourage you to get started on it as soon as you can. Worse thing that happens is you find a new job & no longer need it. You’ll also have the severance to fall back on.
M-G@reddit
Yeah, I was never asked about severance when I filed last year
ExtraAd7611@reddit
Interesting. Assumption over.
Wacko_Banana_Pants@reddit
Meh, I retired years ago but I still go to work and sit at my desk because they pay me
M-G@reddit
But they tried to take your red Swingline?
kg19311@reddit
You win!
Bright_Broccoli1844@reddit
Ha!
PBfromPhilly@reddit
Take it and don’t look back!
IamBigV@reddit
The first offer is always going to be the best
jitzso@reddit
What's the alternative? They let you go for probably 3 months' pay and COBRA? You're doing the right thing by calling your money manager or advisor. The highest cost is probably paying for your insurance until you're eligible for Medicare, which is 4 more years for you. I'm so sorry man.
gmkrikey@reddit
The alternative in 3 months is they layoff with no notice and no severance, bonus, or COBRA payments.
Rickest_Rik@reddit
At 60 thats a massive win. If they sold you run the risk of getting the boot and no severance.
Rude_Parsnip306@reddit
Do it. The first offer is usually the best.
shotsallover@reddit
I fit went to everybody in your company 50+, you might have a good EOE case on your hands. I'd get touch with them and see what your options are.
Most companies doing stuff like this tend to at least spread it out across the various age groups so it doesn't look like they're targeting specific age groups.
Intelligent-Sun-7973@reddit
My company did the same thing. It is allowed. They offered early retirement to everyone over 55. It was a very nice package. They offered it ahead of known layoffs. Some people turned it down and then got a worse package when they were laid off.
KnightKrawler68@reddit
You have a money manager?
OutHereToo@reddit
Almost 60 with 540k IRA makes me think he’s been paying his money manager too much.
jigum777@reddit
Sounds like a sweet deal. I'd be gone in a heartbeat.
NYRickEagle@reddit
TAKE IT! I have seen this way too many times. They don't take it and then the new owners come in and you're gone WITHOUT a package. Take it and go do something fun for work
CleverNickName-69@reddit
I agree. Common wisdom says that the first offer a company makes to get employees to choose voluntary separation is the best one they are going to make.
If not enough people accept the offer, they don't sweeten the offer, they just start eliminating positions and you get whatever their standard policy says.
If the company gets sold, the new management might change the policy and lower the standard severance even more before they "eliminate redundancies".
NYRickEagle@reddit
and DON'T think "Oh they can't do this without me" because guess what, they will. I was brought in to train the new employees and the one's who didn't take the package were shocked when they were let go without a package. TAKE IT and run!
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
I have no such delusions.
kg19311@reddit
There is a saying that’s usually true which is “the first offer is the best offer”.
Once people start to leave, they won’t replace them. Will there be less work to do? Nope, everyone will be asked to do more, and those that don’t like it will leave which saves even more money for the company since they don’t have to pay severance when people quit. The situation keeps mushrooming and then when they sell the severance will be swift and not generous as there will be little incentive to be.
You may be asked in the future to come back as a “contractor” or “consultant”. You’ll be a 1099 employee with no benefits.
Check your state unemployment rules, you may be eligible for that even with the severance. It might depend on the nature of the severance e.g. lump sum vs. paid over time. That could be negotiable.
kgjulie@reddit
If you don’t take the offer, they will only lay you off in the next round anyway. The severance gives you some breathing room to find a new job, bc depending on your expenses the IRA balance may not be enough to retire on forever.
TheJokersChild@reddit
Pretty fuckin' sweet. When I got bought out last year, I got 6 weeks and a month of COBRA. Most you could get was 20 weeks for being there more than 20 years.
gattboy1@reddit
Money manager. Is that another name for Vanguard?
C’mon man you making us look bad.
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
Retirement Planners of America.
chicagoliz@reddit
Does your job have any sort of pension -- and if so, are they offering a bridge to retirement?
If this offer is for the employer to pay for the insurance coverage for a year, plus a one year severance, and a pro-rated payout of your 2026 bonus, it's not a terrible offer. If there's room for negotiation, you could try for a full bonus.
Do you have any sense of how difficult it would be for you to get a new job? I worry that with what you have in your IRA, you might need to work another 5 years.
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
I’m vested in two different pensions. (Maybe $700/mo each). Finding another job in my field would be difficult. However, there other things I would like to do that would not pay as much.
chicagoliz@reddit
Would they pay at least ok?
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
Oh yeah. With our current monthly expenses, they would pay just fine.
chicagoliz@reddit
It sounds like you're reasonably enough situated to take it. Hard to know if the next offer would be better or worse and there is a good chance it would be worse. You could push back a little and see if you can get a little more money.
OneManLost@reddit
A severance!? Lucky you! After 20 years working at an office, the company shut down and all I got was a boot helping me out the door. One of my coworkers who had been there for 36 years, same thing. The owners split and left us all high and dry.
RW_McRae@reddit
People who have money managers don't need to ask reddit
ubiquity75@reddit
Early retirement via buyout is my dream.
bernardfarquart@reddit
I would snatch the check out of their hands so fast they’d burn their fingers
Middle_Meno65@reddit
I would jump at an offer like that!!
Spiritual_Newt_4268@reddit
To me it’s dependent on how much you enjoy your job and your appetite for the sale and acquisition process.
If you’ve never been through a buyout then buckle up.
If you look forward to your work everyday then keep at it and see where it goes.
Change is a comin’.
No-Reading-4384@reddit
Sounds pretty good. I just quit last year at 70. You’ll never miss another day at work…
SoulStripHer@reddit
I only wish this would happen to me.
Jenshark86@reddit
Take the money and retire. A years pay is a lot.
musing_codger@reddit
I took one at age 54 and retired. Ours was more generous, but the principle was the same. You do the math and make your decision. We saw some people stay, some people leave and retire, and some people take the money and find other companies.
vajrasana@reddit
stromm@reddit
Targeting only people 50 and older is likely running afoul of age discrimination laws…
ExtraAd7611@reddit
Not an expert but I think things like this are exempt, as are things like health and life insurance policies whose intrinsic risks change with age.
Sad-Corner-9972@reddit
Rule of Law in America? Quaint.
vanislandgirl19@reddit
Why would they offer a 40 year old an early retirement package?
stromm@reddit
For one, age discrimination laws in the US apply to anyone 40+ years old. So say the company offered to only people 50+, even those with only say ten years of employment, but not someone 40 who has 20 years, could be viewed as targeting 50+ years old people. Not actually people with enough years to retire.
innerearinfarction@reddit
They don't have to accept. It's perfectly legal. There may be some people less than 50 who are equally offended they weren't offered the package
bennylarue@reddit
Nah, not if it's voluntary.
Cxyzjacobs@reddit
Listen to your planner, but consider a conversation where you probe for lengthening the COBRA coverage to meet your Medicare eligibility
OTF98121@reddit
COBRA is allowed for the first 12 months. In order to qualify for an extension up to 11 months, you have to fall within eligibility guidelines such as the Social Security Administration has qualified you as disabled. Extensions are not granted for personal choice, and there are no extensions allowed beyond 11 months for any reason.
Source: I’m currently on my COBRA extension due to SSA qualified disability. When my COBRA extension expires next Feb, I’ll be 3 months away from qualifying for Medicare in May.
SuzQP@reddit
5 years? Not a chance.
Cxyzjacobs@reddit
Might not get all 5 but bet there is some wiggle in there.
pachech@reddit
I'm assuming you have a nice savings as well? (non ira)
Sad-Corner-9972@reddit
One year Company PAID COBRA, or, the option to buy your coverage ??
wil_dogg@reddit
That has to be paid COBRA because you get COBRA unpaid regardless for most severance situations.
jenmoocat@reddit
Holy moly. This seems like a fantastic package!
I (57) am resigning from my company at the end of the month after 16 years there.
Personally, I would jump at it, were it offered to me.
That company-paid-years-worth-of-COBRA coverage is big $ by itself.
In today's climate, I personally would prefer money-in-hand like this vs. unknown downsizing in the future.
NearbyQuantity1847@reddit
There’s a good chance you may be phased out. Take the payout and find any decent paying job, even part time.
LimpSwan6136@reddit
That was my thought after reading the company is likely to be sold. If you are financially comfortable I would take it and look for another job.
digawina@reddit
Is that IRA all of your retirement savings? That's not going to take you far, even if you retired at 65. I guess if the alternative is you get laid off and then get nothing, this is a good deal, but only if that's the alternative.
SouthernTrauma@reddit
Yeah, the math ain't mathing. 540k stretched out 25-30 years wouldn't be enough for me to live on in my MCOL area.
ActionCalhoun@reddit
Sounds like they’re getting ready for some layoffs. Take the money and run, especially if they’re paying the COBRA
ArcticPangolin3@reddit
OMG, that's the dream! I'd snap that up in a heartbeat.
ForwardSlash813@reddit
Take it and move on. It’s a gift.
madoneforever@reddit
My friend took his and qualified for unemployment benefits.…now runs a small business and is much less stressed. Also, you can keep working just somewhere else.
AdministrationIll619@reddit
Do you have e a 401k or pension from your company?
My dad received 9 months of severance a few months after turning 58. And he was able to receive his pension a year later after 33 years at his company. SS he then took at 62.
cruisereg@reddit
Like others, I would probably take it. My biggest concern is healthcare post free COBRA. Do you have a bridge to Medicare planned?
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
Wife is still working so could probably go on her insurance for a while. Plan on finding another job doing something else.
chicagoliz@reddit
That's a big plus if you can go on your wife's insurance after the paid COBRA. (The offer means they are paying their full COBRA expense for that first year, correct?)
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
Yes they are paying their full share of premiums. I would still pay the employee’s share of the premiums.
cruisereg@reddit
That would make it an absolute no-brainer for me. Good luck with your decision!!
Tess47@reddit
That cobra will be taxed, eh?
Mk1Racer25@reddit
If you're going to get another job, take it!
Loras-@reddit
It's a great offer. I think the 401K is fine depending on where he lives.
Also depends on if he has a house paid off or not.
ExtraAd7611@reddit
That sounds like a great deal. Although iirc cobra coverage is 18 months by law and not cheap since you pay whatever the company was contributing toward your health insurance. In any case I would take a year's salary and run. If you meant full health insurance coverage all the better.
For comparison I was laid off last year with one week per year of service as severance which I understand is not unusual. I got on ACA insurance which is very inexpensive this year with a subsidy. That depends on your calendar year income so plan accordingly.
loveallcreatures@reddit
Cobra is 18 months
Kindly_Acanthaceae26@reddit
Taking a similar package at age 51, but mine is part of a reduction of force. Is yours structured in a way that you'll be unemployment eligible?
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
Not sure. I plan on talking to HR to ask some questions.
SloppyMeathole@reddit
Not sure where you are, but I doubt there is any place where you can collect unemployment benefits if you voluntarily resign. You don't get to double dip.
vajrasana@reddit
Calling it an “early retirement” is just rhetoric. Officially, they are being laid off (as the severance and bonus payout suggests). As such, they would be eligible for unemployment, although you have to be actively looking for a job (and provide evidence) in order to continue to reap those benefits. If you are offered a job (any job) in your field and you choose not to accept it, then those benefits cease. At least that’s how it is in CA. I don’t know if other states are different.
Gullible-Substance79@reddit
im 55 and would take this in a heartbeat.
Empty_Nestor@reddit
My wife was given one (non-voluntary) back in October, same severance. Similar retirement savings. Our advisor said go ahead and retire, so we did. That said, our only debt is a small mortgage and we have relatively low living expenses.
DerDutchman1350@reddit
The key is knowing your living expenses.
Empty_Nestor@reddit
Very true. We’re learning to budget this year while we use the severance, so by the time we switch to savings, we’ll have a pretty good idea of how much we spend every month.
dudeatwork77@reddit
Nice!
emccm@reddit
I’m 54 this year. If I was offered this package I’d take it.
If I thought the company was going to be sold off I’d have signed before even finishing reading the email.
BF740@reddit
I’m dreaming of getting this email, I’d be packed up before they ever saw the response
Russells_Tea_Pot@reddit
SAME!
ReaderBeeRottweiler@reddit
Heath insurance will be very, very expensive until you qualify for Medicare (assuming it still exists in a few years).
I would check the rates for your age and make sure you can cover those years in between.
Giantandre@reddit
There was a post recently about negotiating severance packages, it was more to do with layoffs and/or downsizing but it gave some good advice about what you can and can’t negotiate or change, might help you. I remember them saying they are more flexible than you’d expect especially about insurance and other benefits. Also getting good reference letters, though you might not need those.
Can’t remember the subreddit it was on sorry.
AdmanTX@reddit
This was one I read recently that may help. I don’t know how to cross post so here is the link.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Layoffs/s/8gcSInZLW7
Salt_Recipe_8015@reddit
Take the money. They are likely to get rid of you regardless.
Konorlc@reddit
I would take it, and find another job for a few more years. Not easy to find a job depending on your field, but you have a year to sort it out.
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
In my field noone wants to hire the old guy. Fine by me. I’ve been doing it for 30 years and quite frankly tired of it. Ready to find something else to do.
SuzQP@reddit
Then consider this offer your golden ticket.
Konorlc@reddit
I “retired” in 2018 because I was physically and emotionally drained and my bank account allowed it. Came back into the workforce in 2022 because I felt great and was bored. I work in a completely different field(though still leadership), make decent money with zero stress. I think I was lucky to find the company I work for now, but it can be done.
Ike_In_Rochester@reddit
In New York State, school bus drivers get health/vision/dental. A VERY common tactic back in 1990 in Rochester when Kodak offered early retirement was to take it and then become bus drivers and retire again with the state pension.
Accidental-Aspic2179@reddit
This is the way to do it.
Erazzphoto@reddit
Take it and enjoy it
Nervous-Rooster7760@reddit
I would highly consider offer with year of salary and medical plus bonus. If I wasnt ready to retire I’d look to consult or do contract work for a bit. With medical coverage you have flexibility. Planner will be best person to advise.
archiebarchy@reddit
Dang this would be my dream exit. My company is offering an early retirement incentive but not nearly as good. Basically you just don’t forfeit your unvested stock, but it keeps vesting on its current schedule.
unlimited_miscreant@reddit
I would love to get one of those.
Inwardly-Outgoing@reddit
Go on take the money and run
whydya-dodat@reddit
chris750@reddit
Take it. The same thing happened to me. I ended up saying no and then got laid off. I got the same as you were offered but only six months of COBRA. This was the second time they asked me. There will most probably be a third..
1Steelghost1@reddit
Not a lawyer but if 'everyone over 50 was sent this email', I think a bigger payout than one year is advised. Age discrimation is no joke and against the law!
PrincessGiantFeet@reddit
Yeah, that's basically this year for me. There's no fucking way I could retire right now. One year of salary and COBRA or not.
Academic-Business-45@reddit
Take it and find a part time job, double dip
birdstork@reddit
An older friend of mine got an offer like this many years ago and he took it. Granted, the market was different than and he was able to get another job very quickly and did very well for himself.
He always said take these offers because the ones who didn’t take the offer ended up getting a layoff the next year with not nearly as attractive a package.
The market sucks but don’t count yourself out if you still want to work.
Apart-Assumption2063@reddit
Take it and go find another job
Will_Munny_7@reddit
Go on, take the money and run
colleen1820@reddit
I’d take it. Let us know what you decide!
JayRexx@reddit
Never leave good money on the table.
svengoalie@reddit
How much longer did you want to work? If it's only one year, you'd be "working for free" since they'll give you a year's salary no matter what.
5 or more years? Maybe they'll have another severance package.
In between...depends on how comfortable you are with your savings.
That's how I'd be thinking.
OldManOwl@reddit
Summer of George!
MarkItZeroDonnie@reddit
Give me a years salary and block of cheese the size a car battery
-Granby-@reddit
What happens if you pass and in a year they fire you with nothing? If they’re making this offer your future is probably limited there yeah?
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
Exactly. This is most likely the best offer I get.
-Granby-@reddit
Should probably take it then. I know shit though so don't listen to me. You have a half million in retirement and a money guy. I have $50 in my checking and no retirement.
Starkville@reddit
I’d take it.
mtcwby@reddit
If I got one I'd take it. The other part of this is how they do it when not enough people take them up on it.
lukypunchy@reddit
My dad took early retirement. Every one who declined was let go within a few months.
KellyAnn3106@reddit
The voluntary packages come first. You don't want to still be there when the involuntary ones come around.
LockOk6995@reddit
I would take it. My colleagues were unceremoniously fired (RIF), received one week per year of service as severance and a crappy (haircut compared to those not fired) bonus payout (which was crap as they completed the full year of service and should have received the full payout). Sounds like you are getting treated somewhat reasonably.
lundah@reddit
That will never happen for me as I’m a ~~useless waste of taxpayer money~~ government employee, but I can dream.
jessewalker2@reddit
I hear ya. We’re useless until suddenly they figure out they don’t have some basic thing they depended on…
But a nice buyout isn’t even an option. Last one I saw was an insulting $15k same as the previous one at $15k 10-12 years prior.
romeodread@reddit
Take the money and run. Get a part time job if you get bored. Otherwise you may not get the severance when the new owners boot you out the door
EverythingScrolling@reddit
Definitely see what your financial advisor says, but I would take that package and either enjoy your early retirement or do consulting work.
MinervaZee@reddit
I would take it.
damageddude@reddit
My former director was about 62 when told he and everyone else at his were level were having their postions eliminated and replaced. I think it was expected he'd apply for the replacement jobs. He said if he was five years younger he would have. But as he said it's nice to have options.
He elected to take the year's severance and retire. That gets him to 63. Probably unemployment. His retired wife is older and already on SS and MC. Our company allowees early retirees to stay on our plan though you have to pay more. But it's just him.
House is paid. Kids are out of ths house. He still has his health. Ready for what is next
MarkItZeroDonnie@reddit
We’re you looking at 65 for retirement anyway? A years severance and cobra is legit
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
I was thinking if I got the offer in 2-3 years it would be a no brainer. I didn’t plan on getting one this soon. I have a call with my retirement planner this Thursday to discuss it.
MarkItZeroDonnie@reddit
Yeah , if your living expenses are low a large cash injection right before retirement could be beneficial. You might have a kid at Harvard and two mortgages 😁
Sounds like you’re getting professional advice , whatever you do don’t listen to a Gen X’r
Sometimesunaware@reddit
Best of luck to you.
Astronaut6735@reddit
I'd probably take it. A severance package like that is rare. They (or the company they sell to) could just kick your ass to the curb. That gives you a year to find another job, start something of your own, or figure out how to make retirement work with the finances you have.
ShartlesAndJames@reddit
if the company is going to be sold - TAKE IT.
in my experience new company will most likely clean house and it will be complete shit show until you're let go. save yourself the stress, if your financial advisor says you can.
MulayamChaddi@reddit
Take it and keep refreshing your bank website until the wired money arrives. Then laugh
New_Sun6390@reddit
I would have LOVED getting that kind of letter. I waited for 18 months after our company merger for something like this and got nothing.
whistlepig4life@reddit
I am planning on retiring at 58 for now. It will be 30 years at my company.
They have a decent VBO package if ind. if I like what I’m doing I’ll try to stick it out to 60 maybe 62.
But realistically the package at 60 would carry me through to 63.
The real question is what other assets do you have and how much debt?
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
We have the house. About 85K left on the mortgage. Otherwise we live debt free.
whistlepig4life@reddit
And I hope more saved in retirement accounts. The rough estimate is have $1.4m per person for retirement.
Good luck with the advisor.
DantesGame@reddit
Does that include payout for any unused time you have banked? That should be part of it since that's legally part of your negotiated compensation package and due to you.
Junior_Statement_262@reddit
I'd do it.
GeoHog713@reddit
I'm only 46, but I would take it.
When companies that I've worked for have offered retirement packages, the "right sizing" came immediately after.
Companies try to reduce G&A costs before they sell.
I'd take the money. Start talking to everyone you know about a new job, or consulting / contract work.
Your current company might need you as a consultant. For some reason, those may be viewed differently during the acquisition process.
Good luck!!
evilJaze@reddit
Not me, but I have many friends here who work for the federal government (Canada) and they're cutting the public service by about 15% mostly though attrition. The last time something like this happened at this magnitude was in the mid 90s when public servants got their golden parachutes and started retiring en masse in their 50s. This time around, the package isn't as gilded, but it's still a pretty sweet deal. I'm envious. I'd jump at it in a nanosecond. The federal public service has the best DB pensions in the entire country.
I say enjoy the early retirement if you can swing it!
mypizzanvrhurtnobody@reddit
Hell of a lot better than a layoff.
rolisrntx@reddit (OP)
My thought process exactly. Take the money and run. Find something else to do.
Tryingnottomessup@reddit
I am hoping my employer will offer me something like that as I am 60 as well. One yrs salary will wipe away all debt with a few bucks to spare. I am gunning for 62-63 as my target date to bug out.
panic_bread@reddit
I know I would take this, but without knowing all of your variables, expenses, and goals, it's hard to give you advice.
ZeroCalorieCoffee@reddit
I would take it and I’m 50
Minute_Plastic_350@reddit
I’m 56, if my employer would give me that option, I would take it today. End of story.