"Everyone is Replaceable" - A worker died at an Amazon warehouse in Oregon last week. Employees were told to look away.
Posted by Bolinas99@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 147 comments
Malcolm_Morin@reddit
It's like the CEOs forgot.
Madam_Mimm_13@reddit
They did. And it’s time to remind them.
Not_an_alt_69_420@reddit
By posting on Reddit instead of actually doing anything!
Madam_Mimm_13@reddit
You don’t know anything about me or what I do in real life. Have a fucking seat you clown.
Not_an_alt_69_420@reddit
Let me guess, you graduated top of your class in Reddit moderator school and have over 300 confirmed selfies of you holding a sign at a protest?
funknut@reddit
I may not be fighting in the streets, but when my time comes, it will be known that I did not die in vain. If there is widespread bloodshed in our communities, then I should know it will be time for me to take up arms, even far beyond my years effective years. Until then you're just barking at the moon. You may have guns that – by golly – one day you swear you'll use to revolt, and that somehow makes you better than anyone else, but if you aren't just merely punching left, then that just makes you a fascist.
Not_an_alt_69_420@reddit
You aren't even figuratively fighting in the streets, dude. You're talking tough on Reddit and waiting for someone else to get their hands dirty.
There is widespread bloodshed in the streets. Billionaires kill thousands of people every day. ICE agents have murdered who knows how many people, and police agencies across the country use slightly less than lethal force to crack down on protests with barely any due process. A large chunk of politicians are corrupt, and hell, a few of them are even pedophiles.
If you wanted to do something drastic, you would've. But that takes work and involves risk, so here you are. I'm sure you'll "take up arms" eventually, though! You can do it, buddy!
funknut@reddit
I'm symbollically fighting in the streets, which we've already established is far beneath your mere consideration for some superior level of humanity you feel you have ascended to, so clearly your insults aren't landing with me. Depending upon how you describe "fighting," it's possible I'm fighting wayyyy the fuck harder in the streets than you are, but you'd never know it because you didn't bother asking from wayyyy up there on your high horse. Anyway, I'm all ears. Feel free to describe what it is you do in the streets that's supposedly any different than anything I do in the streets. You still haven't established this base level of understanding before you went on mocking people you know very little about.
Not_an_alt_69_420@reddit
I don't do anything on the streets. I don't do much of anything. That includes not pretending that I'm some sort of anti-fascist militia fighter because I comment on Reddit posts and go to protests on the weekdays, unlike most of the people on this sub.
Be the change you want to see in the world, or be self aware about how you're not, or shut the hell up. Or don't, I'm not the dad who wished he abandoned you.
Bosslayer9001@reddit
Bro's getting downvoted for calling out inaction. Even those who are aware still fall prey to hypocrisy and ego all the same
rugbyspank@reddit
Things are happening. Slowly but surely. Our message is coming across to them. All they had to do was pay us enough to live.
Bosslayer9001@reddit
Is that so? Because those nuclear bunkers of theirs are still looking mighty operational. As long as people have an out, responsibility is mostly for show
rugbyspank@reddit
You can't make more money if people burn down capital.
Not_an_alt_69_420@reddit
Commenting on Reddit is the same as burning down a warehouse?
funknut@reddit
I mean, we don't know what they do in their lives. Have you not seen redditors repeatedly breaking out into mainstream news media doing something or other, reprehensible or not?
ContessaChaos@reddit
About time they were fucking reminded.
Raclettegring@reddit
Oh boy, my time to tell a story.
I worked in one of the biggest warehouses belonging to one of the main supermarkets in Switzerland.
One day a guy collapsed from his forklift near where I worked and died on the spot. Possibly heart attack.
His son worked in the same department and was totally out of himself because he had just watched his father die. We stopped working and tried to calm him down and help.
The managers came out of their offices and yelled at everyone to keep working. The son went into a fit of rage and actually tried to hit one of the managers.
They then purchased defibrillators for each department...
Ok-Restaurant4870@reddit
That’s insane, especially considering it’s Switzerland. Inventing money was a massive downfall for humanity…
AnOnlineHandle@reddit
The core problem is in humanity, the money is just part of how we see it.
Comrade_Compadre@reddit
Humans are shaped by the society they live in, which is currently capitalism. This is the end stage of what started long before anybody had the power to stop it.
Humans weren't meant to live like this.
AnOnlineHandle@reddit
Slavery, genocide, rape, and brutal authoritarian rule have been the norm for most of human history. The problem is deeper and older and is in humanity. Our species still has the exact same genes as during the rest of humanity's history where that was the norm (and still is in much of the world today).
pyrotechnic15647@reddit
None of this is true. Except for maybe rape. Anatomically modern Homo sapiens have existed on this planet for over 300k years. The vast of the majority of that time was spent in moneyless, stateless, classless societies. These societies could not have had systemic slavery, genocide, or authorization rule by their very nature. What you’re saying is a bioessentialist, lowkey “might is right,” myth, that is unfortunately pushed on lots of people in order to justify and reinforce liberal/colonial/imperial systems of domination.
AnOnlineHandle@reddit
You have a very romantic idea of what was probably one of the most horrible times in human history was like.
pyrotechnic15647@reddit
What part of what I said indicates romanticism? Saying that we have no evidence of genocide, money, or statehood for the majority of 300kyears in human history? I didn’t say they was no suffering or that their quality of life what better. Just that we have no evidence that massive structural domination is the norm for human beings. All evidence points to the fact that certain conditions led to the proliferation of such tendencies among human beings.
The current world is so inhumane that it may seem hard to imagine that slavery, statehood, and genocide would not be necessary for humans in certain scenarios. But it’s true. How would small communities of nomadic hunter gatherers benefit from introducing slavery amongst themselves? Or wars of genocide? Or making a state? They literally would not have the resources of capabilities to do so. That’s what I meant when I said “by their very nature.”
AnOnlineHandle@reddit
I didn't say anything about money or statehood existing for most of human history? We see inter-pack genocide attempts in humanity's closest relatives, and given how humans behave in all recorded history I see zero reason to assume it would have been some utopia without it when history wasn't being recorded.
pyrotechnic15647@reddit
Inter-pack attempts at what??! Please don’t equate basic inter-group conflict and violence with slavery, genocide, or statehood. They are not the same thing. You are massively oversimplifying the archeological evidence we have and twisting it to fit your misanthropic modern narrative about our species. Even further, you pushed other un-evidenced lies, like saying hunter gatherers society was ran by “strongmen.” Thats an another violent, bio essential patriarchal myth that has led to the path we are on today. Hunter gatherers are evidence to have a fairly egalitarian or matriarchal group. It is also evidence that women hunted at least as much as men did, if not more. “Strong men” weren’t running shit, that’s an ape myth.
I never said shit about hunter gatherers society being a utopia. I said it didn’t include those very specific things you mentioned. Please stop and adhere to the facts. This kind of thinking is literally why our world is going to shit.
Proof-Cobbler5333@reddit
You’re appealing to past humans (that we have no evidence behaved differently, just lived less complexly), as if some kind of inherent objective religious (mainly Christian) morality and ethics applied to them. There was no scoffing at acts in hunter gatherer societies because nobody possesses some form of biological morality.
Religion has dug itself so deep into the minds of people that they can’t conceptualize a world without being so disgusted by anything that isn’t pure pacifism and communal living without technology. I guess we should go back to living to 30 years old max and dying of a paper cut without any form of technology to save people? If we went back to hunter gatherer times almost all disabled people would die immediately. That’s not right. We should not be glorifying primordial humanity.
And matriarchy is not egalitarian, if you believe so that’s a bioessentialist position.
pyrotechnic15647@reddit
I actually claimed the exact opposite of our ancestors adhering to some kind of essential morality. I’m not trying to be rude but reading comprehension is at an all time low, really. Every argument I’ve made is backed by hard facts, and I am making claims about our ancestors based on amoral, material conditions that they were subject to. Nothing else.
Anyway, I’m not gonna argue with you about matriarchy, or matrilineal structures. It’s simply a fact that hunter gatherers had egalitarian structures. Both you and the other commenter are literally punching the air. Stop replying to me with strawmans.
Large-Inspector5688@reddit
Come on, you are the one here straw-maning the motivation of our arguments and picture us as some air-punching bros. That says more about you than it does about us.
Yes, hunter gatherers had egalitarian structures when it comes to power and food distribution. James Woodborn describes some of those tribes still living today in his famous paper Egalitarian Societies. Although the expression of those structures varied among tribes, with some tribes producing more surplus food to be shared than others. While it’s true that women had far more power in some tribes and were more equal than in agricultural societies, sexual relations weren’t universally egalitarian among all tribes. He also mentions that the widespread availability of lethal weapons led to violent disputes among men. It was not uncommon that someone got ambushed and killed on a hunt. Or that somebody was murdered in his sleep. And even if the murderer was caught, no action against him was taken. Some men tried to coerce other men or to steal their wives, even though their attempts relied on means outside of hunter gatherer societies.
However, the notion that humanity lived as hunter gatherer nomads for 95 percent of our time and then got corrupted by the agricultural revolution is challenged by Graeber and Wengrow in their book The Dawn of Everything. They argue that political life before the agricultural age was far more complex and diverse, with seasonal regime changes switching back and forth between authoritarian and communal systems, the construction of urban infrastructure and egalitarian social programs. They show that slavery and the rejection of slavery was present among non-agricultural societies. They even show evidence of egalitarian cities without social hierarchies, with one city that began as hierarchical settlements but became more egalitarian later on.
Obviously hunter gatherer nomads are more egalitarian than modern nation states, but I’d argue it was out of necessity and that there were always an exchange of power among hunter gatherers just like it is present among all human relationships. We also have to keep in mind that most of our assumption of hunter gatherers rely on observations of tribes still living today. Graeber and Wegnow point to a different reality of per-agricultural life. One that had egalitarianism, communal living and the rejection of slavery, but also authoritarianism, social hierarchies and the embrace slavery.
pyrotechnic15647@reddit
Marriage is a relatively new invention in human history. The institution of marriage is a hallmark of the arrival of a patriarchal system. You’re not talking about the same time period of history that I am when you reference that. Humans, for hundreds of thousands of years, did not have the concept of wives and husbands and all of that make believe private property mess. The institution of marriage is only about 4000 years old.
As for everything you cited with Graeber. I’ve read Graeber, I love Graeber. If you’ve read Graeber, then I don’t know why you are defending the claim that ””slavery, genocide, and rape has been the norm for most of human history”.* Graeber would not agree with this claim, nor does his work adequately support this claim. You literally just made an entirely different argument that is in agreement with mine. I am just saying that it’s not true that slavery, genocide, and mass rape is the “norm” for human beings.
Large-Inspector5688@reddit
Woodburn made this observation about Hazda people who are overwhelmingly monogamous despite no enforcement of monogamy. They have marriages and the decide where they want to live. The Hazda is a very old African tribe and they are very egalitarian. Their ancestors had been living in Africa for tens of thousands of years. They demonstrate that marriage and monogamy doesn't rely on a patriarchal system.
As for Graeber and after going back of this entire discussion branch I agree with you that our current system of domination is extreme and not in accordance with most per-agricultural life. I think we have more or less the same view. Slavery was institutionalized when the first civilizations such as the Sumer arrived. I think it’s save to say that slavery seems to increase with increasing social and economic complexity. Same with genocidal tendencies.
I’m not really sure about rape. I think male aggression towards women may be more expressed in our societies, but it was also pretty common for hunter gatherers to steal wives from other tribes or to gang rape prisoners. There’s work by Peggy Sanday that investigates sexual violence among tribal people, but I haven’t got to reading it yet.
pyrotechnic15647@reddit
I cited him because it’s an example of egalitarian hunter gathering.
As far as the claim you made about marriage and patriarchy, that’s a whole other can of worms. When feminists, Marxists, etc.. describe patriarchy and how marriage stems from it, they’re talking about institutional marriage. This involves property exchange, lineage concerns, inheritance, legal reinforcement, etc... It’s not just an agreement to be monogamous without need for any kind of institutional reinforcement, which is what the Hazda do. Researchers call what the Hazda do “marriage” because that’s closest conceptual approximation they have to it. The Hadza do not have a single formal word for "marriage" because they view it more as an ongoing status rather than a specific event or contract. Instead, their language (Hadzane) describes the act of living together or sharing a space. .
Also, I’m not sure about rape either, and I said that in my original comment. But I’m glad we can agree on the original point.
pyrotechnic15647@reddit
I cited him because it’s an example of egalitarian hunter gathering. As far as the claim you made about marriage and patriarchy, that’s a whole other cans of worms. When feminists, Marxists, etc.. describe patriarchy and how marriage stems from it, they’re talking about institutional marriage. This involves property exchange, lineage concerns, inheritance, legal reinforcement, etc... It’s not just an agreement to be monogamous without need for any kind of institutional reinforcement, which is what the Hazda do. But that’s an entirely separate conversation that I don’t wish to get further into. Also, I’m not sure about rape either, and I said that in my original comment. But I’m glad we can agree on the original point.
Whenwhateverworks@reddit
Your logic here is staggering, you should hear of William Buckley, an escaped english convict in melbourne australia who lived with a tribe of aboriginals in 1804, one thing that shocked him was the violence he witnessed. One young in love couple fled a cheif who was arranged to marry the young girl, The tribe tracked and mercilessly killed the young indigenous man. Tribal warfare, abduction, cannabilism, naturally occuring headhunter tribes were discovered in very different areas cultures and locations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Buckley_(convict)
pyrotechnic15647@reddit
Brother, you are taking ONE study of ONE tribe in the LAST 200 years, and extrapolating it to the REST of human history. YOUR logic is staggering. Patriarchy has been around pretty fuckn long. But not 300k years long. Or even 150k years long. Not that we know of. I’m relying on SEVERAL studies that study humans within a way deeper time depth than what you’re referencing.
Nobody is saying that humans in certain tribes or whatever the fuck (I don’t even know if the tribes you’re talking about were hunter gatherers or not) didn’t have violence. That’s like a completely different argument. What is with all the male chuds responding to my comment with their cherry-picked bullshit?? I know it hurts the fragile patriarchal mind to understand that structural violence, domination, and gender oppression isn’t the norm within 300k years of human history. But it’s true. At least, we have way more evidence that it’s true than not. Facts over your feelings.
Large-Inspector5688@reddit
You really think hunter-gatherers didn't compete for resources like hunting territory and water holes, or men in those tribes never fought over women? You think men never took advantage of their strength and mistreated women in those tribes? Where do you think those instincts came from if not from our ancestor we share with primates? There were/are matriarchal tribes/societies even to this day, but they are just a fraction of the overall human population. And some would argue if those societies are true matriarchies in the sense that women hold political power over men and not just matrilineal where lineage pass through women. Historically, most chieftains were men. How is that not patriarchal?
Inter-group-violence has been well documented among indigenous people. Sure, hunter-gatherers usually lacked the food surplus to maintain a slave population. But there were African tribes that teamed up with slave traders and participated in raids on rival tribes. There was also slavery among the indigenous people of the Pacific Northwest like the Tlingit and Haida people.
pyrotechnic15647@reddit
Inter-pack attempts at what??! Please don’t equate basic inter-group conflict and violence with slavery, genocide, or statehood. They are not the same thing. You are massively oversimplifying the archeological evidence we have and twisting it fit your sick modern narrative about our species. Please stop and adhere to the facts. This kind of thinking is literally why our world is going to shit.
Comrade_Compadre@reddit
This is factually wrong though.
pyrotechnic15647@reddit
What part of what I said indicates romanticism? Saying that we have no evidence of genocide, money, or statehood for the majority of 300kyears in human history? I didn’t say they was no suffering or that their quality of life what better. Just that we have no evidence that massive structural domination is the norm for human beings. All evidence points to the fact that certain conditions led to the proliferation of such tendencies among human beings.
MacTum@reddit
Bullshit... https://medium.com/bouncin-and-behavin-academy/the-forgotten-prehistoric-war-that-killed-95-of-all-men-5a474c75278e
pyrotechnic15647@reddit
1) Nothing about this phenomenon provides sufficient reasoning for the claim that genocide, slavery, and mass rape have been the norm for the majority of human existence. Anatomically modern humans have been on this planet for 300k years. This scientific finding describes a Neolithic-era period that lasted for 2000 years, and happened only 7000 years ago. So, 0.006% of human existence. That is FAR from a “norm”. None of the rest of my points after this even really matter, because I could accept your article’s narrative as 100% true and it still wouldn’t disprove my original claim.
2) This is a sensationalist Medium article that takes one hypothesis about chromosomal data and runs with it. The author is not held accountable by the editorial standards of a serious scientific publication. A better publication would explain the variety of hypotheses that exist about this phenomenon, some of which don’t require a super violent explanation, and clarifying that there is no conclusive findings about it. Rather than running with one hypothesis and making some entertaining story out of it. (https://www.sciencealert.com/neolithic-y-chromosome-bottleneck-warring-patrilineal-clans ) And no hypothesis about this phenomenon describes slavery, genocide, or mass rape.
The definition of genocide requires proving both intent and the occurrence of ALL of a specific set of circumstances laid out in U.N. Geneva Convention. We simply do not have the data necessary to call this phenomenon genocide, or make any conclusive claim about what happened, at all. Nevermind that it only constitutes 0.006% of human existence.
3) Evidence of egalitarian hunter gatherer societies:
Sungir Burials (Children's Beads) · Claim: Grave goods indicate achieved status, not inherited rank. · Source URL/DOI: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jhevol.2004.10.003 (Formicola & Buzhilova, 2004) · Backup URL: https://www.donsmaps.com/sungir.html (High-res images of the burial layout)
Ohalo II (Uniform Hut Sizes); no chief's house. · Source URL: https://www.jstor.org/stable/414923 (Dani Nadel, 2004) Open Access Alternative: https://www.antiquities.org.il/article_eng.aspx?sec_id=17&sub_subj_id=408
Vedbæk Isotopes (Uniform Diet) · Claim: Bone collagen shows equal access to marine protein across age/sex. · Source DOI: https://doi.org/10.1016/S0305-4403(01)00045-0 (Schulting & Richards, 2001)
Hadza Meat Sharing (Marlowe)
Prolific hunters do not eat more meat than poor hunters. · Source DOI (Book): https://doi.org/10.1525/9780520945449 (Marlowe, 2010: The Hadza) . Key Paper URL: https://doi.org/10.1086/320067 (Hawkes, O'Connell & Blurton Jones, 2001)
· Claim: Fruit trees are not claimed; trails are marked for others. · Source URL: https://ehrafworldcultures.yale.edu/cultures/an07/documents/001 (Endicott, 1988 monograph in eHRAF)
· Claim: Egalitarianism is enforced by group sanction against "upstarts." · Source DOI: https://doi.org/10.1086/204350 (Boehm, 1993 in Current Anthropology)
Comrade_Compadre@reddit
I always love it when people smarter then I am can bust out a fuckin response like this with sources to back up their facts
What's a bummer is by the time you get to this level of response, the dipshit who was spouting off nonsense usually just slinks back into the wood work without ever coming to the conclusion they were wrong.
Then they just surface again a few days later to keep on pushing their agenda.
pyrotechnic15647@reddit
I reply to these kind of comments more so to back up my claims for everyone who comes across the thread, rather than to convince whoever I’m replying to. So I’m glad someone can appreciate the response even if it’s not whoever I sent it to.
GodofPizza@reddit
This is not true and I bet you don’t actually have evidence to back it up. Most of human history is unknowable to us. Even in the parts of history that are in any way documented, it’s usually the most cutthroat violent people who are sponsoring the documentation. And what history shows despite this is that most people are peaceful, helpful, and generous. It’s a very small share of the population that imposes a violent order on everyone else.
Comrade_Compadre@reddit
These are still outliers and products of those systems, you can't generalize all of humanity based on a chunk of the fucked up ones.
There have always been opposite forces against those things you describe, that is the human element.
AnOnlineHandle@reddit
Those aren't outliers, those are the norm. Those of us not living like that right now in some parts of the world are the outliers, and too many IMO live in a bubble of naivety about true human nature and don't realize how bad things can get if the lying psychopaths keep tearing this down.
Comrade_Compadre@reddit
Ok.... "Human nature" as you view it has been disproven for awhile now. Also, acting like the rest of the world outside of our "bubbles of naivety" are nothing but slaving, raping warmongering communities is some serious pearl clutching IMO
Clearly we aren't going to reach an understanding here.
lufiron@reddit
From the top down, yes. From the Epstein files, to Ukraine, to everything happening around the word today, on top of all human history. Wheres the line between pessimism and pragmatism? I sincerely want to know, because human beings being absolutely vile is pragmatic af imo.
falconfoxbear@reddit
Bro get off the Internet and have a conversation with your neighbors. Most of humanity is alright. The psychos go for power and the sickos get the clicks.
lufiron@reddit
.. thats your argument? That my neighbors are alright so just ignore all the other stuff? Coward.
falconfoxbear@reddit
Not everything is an argument lol
papyup@reddit
Slavery, genocide, and authoritarianism were actually enabled by money more than anything.
Humans have aggressive tendencies, but are more guided by empathy and cooperation with each other (this is how we became so successful evolutionarily).
Read David Graeber’s Debt: The First 5000 Years.
It’s really eye-opening how much the acceptance of money, debt, and private capital have created such an anti-human society and perpetuated the ills you mention for so many millennia that we can’t imagine anything different.
mimaikin-san@reddit
The biggest disappointment growing up was meeting adults and seeing them lie, deceive, manipulate and insult those around them. And my parents were both post-grad instructors albeit neglectful narcissists.
Whenwhateverworks@reddit
Yeah me too, a lot of moments have stuck with me, of adults acting completely unhinged when in control of children
BlasterPhase@reddit
money streamlined the greed
devinbookersuncle@reddit
Yup, doesnt matter the item in question but greed is still greed
TernarySquare0123@reddit
Greed can be put in its place. Our great fault is cowardice, imo.
PristineBaseball@reddit
🙏
ratsareniceanimals@reddit
Prioritizing money is sorta their thing though...
wright007@reddit
Considering money is just trade. You'd have to be hard pressed to think money is the problem. What you're actually seeing as problematic is capitalism, not money.
Small-Palpitation310@reddit
⬆️
kulmthestatusquo@reddit
The managers would do anything to keep their jobs.
dhoomsday@reddit
Someone died in my town at a quarry because they had a heart attack and someone moved the defibrillator and didn't tell anyone where they moved it to.
Current-Shelter-635@reddit
These things, we stopped them once. It was bloody and ugly, but that's how the changes came about. They would never give these things willingly (child labor laws, 40hr work week, etc).
This is going to end. I can see the pattern. Maybe we can't stop all of this in time, but the båstards don't just get to have this world. Maybe all we can hope for is that they don't get to continue to take. Maybe they pay what they owe. And maybe that will be enough.
ken54g2a@reddit
Migros?
Electrical-Effect-62@reddit
Damn, if I was the son I would have done something VERY drastic. That's so messed up
Kaining@reddit
Yeah, "tried" here seems mild. I wonder how many people where needed to prevent him from managing that on the managers.
TernarySquare0123@reddit
As bad a scab, each of them.
panickingman55@reddit
A woman once died in my office when I was in my early 20's. We were given the option to go home, but my whole group was hourly. Most of us decided we needed the money more than dealing with the shock of seeing somebody die.
ThatEvanFowler@reddit
We're in fucking hell.
pradeep23@reddit
Curious, how did US go from I can sue corporations for negligence to this? I remember reading in past (way back) where employees had sued corporations and got pretty heavy compensation. This was sort of norm. I am wondering how did this change? Other than unions disappearing what were other factors.
ThatEvanFowler@reddit
We legalized bribery and elected monsters who deregulated everything.
Key-Practice-8788@reddit
ding ding ding
The DOJ looks at a case like this, says naaahhh, then goes back to trying to figure out how to arrest Hunter Biden's laptop again.
crw201@reddit
Why did they even ask permission to help? Just do it.
nobodyhere3369@reddit
TuringGoneWild@reddit
Yeah no shit. She should have just done it, and knocked the manager out cold if he tried to interfere with a life saving operation. Any jury would be on her side, except in deepest red maga land.
xopher_425@reddit
What the hell is this? Unless Sam's manager was physically restraining her, she could have helped. She should have helped. Why the fuck did she feel she had to get permission?? I cannot fathom anyone letting their manager stop them from helping save someone's life.
Cabracan@reddit
We're all subject to obedience training and punishments throughout our lives as workers, it's so ubiquitous that it's hard to even tell it's there. She wanted to do the right thing, but the chain around her neck was pulled tight and she obeyed. Her supervisor likely didn't even understand that that was what they were doing - it's just how things are done, it's natural.
We're going on like four hundred years into the scientific study of making humans into bipedal tools. We all have that training, it's hard to say when it'll win over us.
Glitter-Pear@reddit
Supervisor should be tried for manslaughter
TuringGoneWild@reddit
And everyone up the chain of command up to and through Bezos to Trump.
devinbookersuncle@reddit
Sued as well, him and that warehouse are fucked when this goes to court
tripbin@reddit
Honestly both of them get the wall. I couldn't imagine such a disgusting adherence to rule based liberalism that you'd let someone die because it's not the right protocol and the person you're telling this too actually listens to your refusal of permission instead of letting their humanity peak out and acting regardless of whatever "rules" are in place or what the authority says.
KlicknKlack@reddit
Its short term vs long term thinking that every human has ingrained in them. Short term, my humanity helps the person in distress. Long term, I could lose my job - my family could be pushed out of our home because the job market is in contraction - and those depending on me will suffer.
Of course, we should promote the positive short term of "See a problem, help out". But in late state capitalism, we are taught to calculate the impact to our lives before acting.
Different-Library-82@reddit
If anyone is wondering why the US is being overtaken by fascists without much resistance from the population, this excerpt explains it.
RunYouFoulBeast@reddit
All part of the orderly order.
Different-Library-82@reddit
Work makes one free.
RunYouFoulBeast@reddit
Orderly order.
Dreadsin@reddit
I was let go from a job on the week I had a hip replacement scheduled. I’m 34 years old and it causes chronic pain still and makes it hard to walk
Nerx@reddit
should apply to executives too
craziest_bird_lady_@reddit
I quit the food industry because even in NYC the restaurant owners have taken away breaks and air conditioning in the kitchens, causing situations like this constantly where people were fainting. The last job interview I did, the owner bragged that she didn't want to hire certified chefs, she would just go pick people off the street to do the work because it's cheaper. She was so proud of herself. This was a famous cookie bakery on a very fancy part of the upper west side too.
tIreneAusurusRex@reddit
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Bolinas99@reddit (OP)
there's a robber baron era term for this and it's called the "stretch out" - here's some background https://www.newsandpress.net/the-stretch-out-the-idea-that-wrecked-life-for-mill-workers/
quoting the article:
Littlehouseonthesub@reddit
They didn’t even get paid for the rest of the day, after they were told they would
Bolinas99@reddit (OP)
this is the stuff that was happening during the robber baron era; the Triangle shirtwaist factory fire was one glaring example but it was only one of countless horrific workplaces ran by parasitic capitalists https://www.britannica.com/event/Triangle-shirtwaist-factory-fire
SeVenMadRaBBits@reddit
The rich are a special group of people who are willing to toss coins and grain to poor children like birds:
Feeding the sparrows
CatchSufficient@reddit
who would feed the birds?
CatchSufficient@reddit
r/writteninblood is a good place for this talk
AlwaysPissedOff59@reddit
Radium girls have entered the chat...
PM_ME_CALF_PICS@reddit
Business management is so fucking stupid. I don’t understand why they’d pay someone to watch them? Isn’t that also waste of money? Let’s say we’re total emotionless psychopaths and look at workers as pure resources. If one person is working at 70% capacity why the hell would you pay a whole other person to watch them? You’re spending way more money to hire the other person than you’d lose in productivity. It’s like making money is a secondary objective, the first being control, and breaking their spirit is the first. Idiots and egotists rule the world I swear….
CubaLibre1982@reddit
Worpd population is increasing 1.25% per year. I was born in '82, world population was 4+billions. Now we are 8+billions. We doubled in about 40 years. You know, the more you have of something, the less it's worth.
panguardian@reddit
Either they compete with robots, or Amazon will replace them all with robots.
Striking_Glass_4783@reddit
Amazon does not view us as human.
Light333Love@reddit
Exactly, we have been led into working 60+ hour weeks just to survive and then we are sold the cheap crap we can afford. Something with our weight. Government made us fat and now they selling us the glp 1s. Facebook was a project by darpa called lifelog. We. Are. Being. Lead. It’s time we LEAD!
Light333Love@reddit
The truth is being silenced. Narratives written. Sheep being led, each one of us wondering when someone will save us? It gotta be us, the rich can make our lives hell for a short while, yes. But when we get organized we will be able to see there’s more than enough to go around. That’s what keeps the rich up at night. That’s why they have to have 20 foot fences and live on islands, and build bunkers. They know they are leeches waiting to be swatted away and stomped out.
SteppenAxolotl@reddit
What is the right thing to do, the entire world should stop and for how long, every time someone drops dead?
xavandetjer@reddit
Maybe if someone dies on the work floor at least assess whatever the hell just happened, and see if there is a lingering risk to other personnel on site.
Also get the body removed first before resuming work, you want to step over bodies when you're at work?
Light333Love@reddit
It’s not enough that the stress free rich people live longer and healthier then us, we gotta kiss their ass but we for the “essential” worker and it’s seen as avoidable downtime? Or not avoidable? How will the document it?! /s fuck this place.
They are gonna have to take all lighters and matches away from us. The joker knew how to hurt the rich. Burn “their” money and watch them show their true evil side. We get wage l freezes and are told stop being greedy. 🔥is how we start over.
BronzeSpoon89@reddit
Of course everyone is replaceable. Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying.
Palegreenhorizon@reddit
wtf. Too bad America doesn’t have strong unions anymore. We are all in trouble if we can’t bad together
bluehands@reddit
We used to have no unions before we had strong unions.
Remember, unions were the compromise.
lumigracewalks@reddit
Not just Amazon, but it happens almost everywhere. Inadequate workplace safety, lack of first aid or medical teams in place. Humanity is thrown out the window while trying to pursue and maintain profit. A few hands trying to help the injured means a few hands not working. It's just sickening.
DongRight@reddit
The shift manager should be fired...
HousesRoadsAvenues@reddit
And if he is, there will be another one to replace him PDQ.
Own-Medium5232@reddit
Boycott Amazon
HousesRoadsAvenues@reddit
Too many people addicted to purchasing things off of the platform. Just from my perspective, in my neighborhood. Every day I see an Amazon van pull in front of the house across the street with an Amazon box.
BirryMays@reddit
Humans: “Best we can do is destroy the Amazon rainforest.”
SunMoonTruth@reddit
And yet…everyone still wants to buy useless shit and have it delivered tomorrow.
taketheothers@reddit
Correct! This will change nothing. The Amazon addicts will just claim it's only that one facility to blame and not an obvious devaluation of humans, convincing themselves it's okay to keep shopping on Amazon.
HousesRoadsAvenues@reddit
Too much truth.
I can't tell you how many times I have said/written: "Don't buy from Amazon!" [aside: I know AWS is Amazon's money maker, but...]
The follow up comments would be; "But I'm disabled and live in a rural area! Amazon is the only place that delivers!!!"
It is an addiction.
Dangerous_Forever640@reddit
What were they supposed to say?
“Ok… everybody gather round and take one last look at Rita…’
PumbaKahula@reddit
My son was scarred for life after his ToysRUs coworker was smashed under a warehouse pallet in the isle behind his. He was more traumatized by the handling of the situation than the death itself. He quit working there after getting knocked unconscious about a week later, it was too much for him. He was 19 at the time and said his supervisors were not concerned with employee safety. He couldn’t even discuss how bad they handled his coworker’s warehouse death for about 10 years after- he is 30 now and he is able to talk about it finally.
AnAncientOne@reddit
It’s such a shame but people just never seem to learn. RIP
ahmtiarrrd@reddit
""Just turn around and not look. Let’s get back to work,” Sam recalled the manager saying."
I wonder what the manager will say when he faces the family of the deceased in court, or outside of it. (I say "He" because even in this insane world, there's no way someone who doesn't identify as male would do such an abominable thing.)
No court and/or refusal to engage and/or corporate insulation and/or no remorse?
*coughLuigicough*
NeJin@reddit
Crazy that you think expressing your sexism is the important thing here
Ever heard of Margaret Thatcher? Or the fact that there are woman convicted for murder?
There are plenty of amoral woman, and Cluster B personality disorders aren't just held by men
Biobooster_40k@reddit
You've never seen the female management at Amazon. Idk the gender of the one in this case but the ones who stay are hardliners.
AnalTinnitus@reddit
Whenever I see news stories about how bad it is to work at Amazon, I'm always reminded of The Warehouse by Rob Hart. Such an accurate book.
Swordf1sh_@reddit
Absolutely gutting. The casual cruelty and unfeeling.
Hope ‘Sam’ and others are able to get proper help snd find somewhere not soul-crushing to work.
Was anyone else reminded of the prison scenes from Andor?
“How long we hang on, how far we get, how many of us make it out, all of that is now up to us.
We have deactivated every floor in the facility.
All floors are cold.
Wherever you are right now, get up, stop the work.
Get out of your cells, take charge and start climbing.
They don’t have enough guards and they know it.
If we wait until they figure that out, it’ll be too late.”
aeschenkarnos@reddit
Upton Sinclair would not be surprised.
ThoughtFox1@reddit
Just had to pay a living wage 🔥
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nowimnihil13@reddit
As a new manager, I worked with an older woman who retired. The week she retired, one of her employees died at home. No one on her team realized it for over a month. Also, years later, another manager at the same company had an employee that died in a company paid rental car while parked in a Walmart parking lot. The manager didn’t know until his family called HR because they hadn’t heard from him in 2 days.
Corporations don’t give a shit about you. Never stay loyal to one.
filmguy36@reddit
Until wage workers realize that we are replaceable and are replaced every day, nothing will change
Big-Engineering266@reddit
Imagine having all that power. To know you could do anything to your workforce and they will take it for fear of losing their jobs. The only problem with having such power and being completely brazen about it is that the people on the receiving end go completely passive. If the system came under threat say from a disaster or war etc, the same system that only benefits the rich, the people in that factory will not lift a finger to help. That is definitely collapse related
Kamelasa@reddit
Maybe lots do, but quite a few have also tried to unionize. More should.
spacestationkru@reddit
I don't know how I could possibly just keep on working after watching one of my co-workers drop dead. I would lose my mind.
IcyBookkeeper5315@reddit
Yep, worked at a DOK nearby and one morning we were outside doing our load out and one dude slipped and cracked his head open bad. Lots of blood and noises. We were told to load up and move to the next lot, when asked if he was okay the lot managers told us to not worry about it and hurry so the ambulance could get in.
MDCCCLV@reddit
Troutdale is well known for being the worst amazon place in the country.
Cultural-Answer-321@reddit
It's the same everywhere and has been long before anyone alive was born.
sincerelyryan@reddit
Straight from the film In Time. I was in disbelief when we first saw it, now not so much.
lavapig_love@reddit
I worked in the Fernley, Nevada Amazon facility before a worker died on shift there. They had had problems before, like an entire shift testing positive for amphetamines, which is how I got my job.
I don't remember the exact details, but I think the worker was run over with a forklift.
After that, Amazon moved their operations to Reno and started substituting robots for humans. That's probably what the Oregon facility is afraid of happening, but when a death happens it needs to.
Narcisistagohome@reddit
Well, that's mostly true. But everyone means everyone. Jeff Bezos is even easier to replace than any of his workers. Or best said, we just don't need a replacement for him.
HomoExtinctisus@reddit
Seeing this come to fruition would create a lot more believers.
Fluid-Layer-33@reddit
No Words.... this is beyond barbaric.... that could literally be anyone (sans a billionaire who deem themselves 'better' than everyone else) WTF no product is more important than a person.....
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The following submission statement was provided by /u/Bolinas99:
there's a robber baron era term for this and it's called the "stretch out" - here's some background https://www.newsandpress.net/the-stretch-out-the-idea-that-wrecked-life-for-mill-workers/
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1skn6by/everyone_is_replaceable_a_worker_died_at_an/og0d1j0/
Peripatetictyl@reddit
I mean… I guess it’s good that they weren’t forced to watch?
/s