Is homeschooling in the UK just very unregulated, or am I missing something?
Posted by ZydrateAnatomic@reddit | AskUK | View on Reddit | 573 comments
I was just looking at the laws around homeschooling in the UK. Not something I would consider, but I have met people who did it and I am curious because it is not really a thing in my native country.
What I found is that homeschooling parents do not even have to follow the national curriculum, and the local council can check that the kids are learning how to write and read, but their powers seem limited.
Is it all actually very unregulated, or am I missing something? It seems to me that the only reason the UK does not have a higher percentage of those USA-style homeschooled people with extreme beliefs is just that there aren’t many of those families in the UK.
isthislivingreally@reddit
The Ingham family on YouTube are an interesting case study: eldest three kids aged 14-20 pulled from school after Covid (aged 8-14) by which stage they’d attained basic education etc. The eldest aged 20 has no options or prospects as of right now. The next one has no GCSEs. None have any social group of friends to speak of.
The next three kids (2-7) have never had any formal education. The 7 year old cannot yet read or write. Also no friends to speak of. So no opportunities to engage in conflict resolution, experience different views, explore the world through collaborative play etc.
ChoreomaniacCat@reddit
They'd better have lots of YouTube money to leave to those kids because they'll likely never be able to get any job that will pay above the absolute minimum. A 7 year old not being able to read or write due to parental neglect (excluding any learning abilities of course) should be classed as child abuse. What sort of future can any of those kids have? They'll never be able to pursue careers or move out of the family home.
annakarenina66@reddit
not learning to read or write til after 7 is actually ok - as long as you learn by 11 that alone isn't a factor in later competence at all.scandinavian schools don't start teaching kids to read/write until they turn 7/8. Arguably we push too early in the UK before kids hands are properly developed.
But obviously they need to put the effort in to support them after that, and prior to that although focus on play is fine and even beneficial they should have educational stimuli and not be glued to screens
(Can't speak for that particular family)
isthislivingreally@reddit
As another commenter has highlighted, I was using this as one example among many that paint a picture the world of instability this child has.
It’s worth noting that while you are absolutely correct about scandanavia and formally learning to read aged 7/8, over a third of children start school already knowing how to read there, and about half can recognise ‘sight words’. Scandinavian countries are brilliantly funded when it comes to local libraries and children having access to reading materials which I guess helps?
I guess my concern about this particular child is he has turned 7, cannot read or write, and is not in education or around other children embarking on this journey with him to start now. Of course I hope that he learns by the time he is 8, but I worry…
ChoreomaniacCat@reddit
I was talking more about the entire situation with this family that the OC brought up. It sounds like all of the kids are just being left to it with no other education or any other help. There's a difference between implementing other types of learning and just neglecting learning entirely; the latter is the real issue here.
teenytinyterrier@reddit
Hang on, this is simply not true - look into the Scandinavian system of bringing academics into later childhood, and compare the outcomes to ours as a nation! Would you class that as abuse or neglect?
That said, that system relies on structured play and also socialisation - which the OP has comprehensively stated the kids clearly aren’t getting. But THAT is the issue here at the 7 year-old stage - not the reading and writing attainment aspect.
ChoreomaniacCat@reddit
Keep your wig on, I was commenting on this situation specifically. The 7 year old not being able to read or write is just one part of the problem; it sounds like all of those kids have been neglected in one way or another and the parents are putting them online without anything for them to fall back on.
And I'm aware there are other ways of educating kids, but it doesn't sound like anything else has been implemented in this situation, they've just been left without education or anything else to supplement or guide them.
We all have a right to raise our kids how we want, but if I had a kid who couldn't read by age 7 due to my own neglect of them and no other factoes relating to their development, I'd hang my head in shame. Each to their own.
isthislivingreally@reddit
It doesn’t help that neither parent in this case is educated themselves (let alone in various mechanisms of teaching) but also that the family are allegedly in over £100k of debt to HMRC / Covid loan. I really feel for the children who will have to embark on some sort of employment at some point and will have absolutely no network to learn from, no experience to draw on - they will be very vulnerable adults
ChoreomaniacCat@reddit
What an absolute nightmare. They've set those kids up to fail and immortalised it on the Internet for all to see. Very sad.
falx-sn@reddit
Sister in law did the same thing around COVID. She kept getting in trouble for being late to school with them and just decided she didn't want that stress and kept them home. No education going on at all since then.
Sploshee@reddit
That's awful, poor kids
kbeavz@reddit
Saconne Jolys are the same! Their 4 kids were in private school but they pulled them and now they either just film content all the time or the youngest is just ignored and plonked in front of an ipad
Llamallamapig@reddit
I know one kid who has been "homeschooled" since she was in year 5. She's now year 8, or would be. She's 13 I think. She spends all day at the stables playing with her horses. Her spelling is appalling and she has no knowledge about anything other than horses. She hasn't done maths in the whole time she has been homeschooled. She does some writing (all on horse-related topics) but it's just copied from online resources or books on horses.
She doesn't have learning difficulties or special educational needs. Hopefully she will want to work with horses in the future because she has no skills or knowledge in any other area. Alas her riding isn't great either when compared to kids of a similar age so I wouldn't say there's a natural talent there.
She is being let down by the adults around her. She doesn't know any better. But both parents work full time (one at the stables) and neither are particularly educated themselves. If it were properly regulated or at least there was some structure she would be much better served.
ZydrateAnatomic@reddit (OP)
I am trying to understand the motivations behind this. Are her parents religious? Why do they keep her at home?
Bksudbjdua@reddit
I'm just speculating here ... They may come from a family who works on the farm. Never needed to know much else other than farm life.
SoggyWotsits@reddit
School is more important than ever for farming. There’s a huge amount of paperwork, a huge number of calculations, knowledge of weather systems and geography is important too. A lot of the farmers I know went to agricultural college.
Farscape_rocked@reddit
I went to a fee-paying school and there were quite a few farmers kids there who would eventually take on the farm.
a_peanut@reddit
Yeah I used to roll my eyes at the idea of agricultural college, I thought it must be some sort of Mickey mouse degree. Then I started to meet and talk to some actual farmers. And started to grow some veg in my garden. My god, the amount of science and engineering you can apply just to the actual farming side of farming (as in, not even including the business admin & management side) is immense
lost_send_berries@reddit
Yep and if you don't know something and your yield is 20% less than the next one over or you spend 20% more on labour your farm probably isn't viable.
HisPumpkin19@reddit
Conversely, this means if a child only grew up farming and learnt everything through that,they would have a lot of inbuilt science and engineering knowledge.
gracklemancometh@reddit
But how many farmhands went to agricultural college?
There's still shit to be shovelled and apples to be picked. And if you believe that digging ditches and mucking out horses is the pinnacle of existence then there's not much need to educate your kids to do anything else, I guess.
SoggyWotsits@reddit
True, but we’re all replying to the person who guessed at homeschooled kids being the children of farmers. The girl I know who homeschools (and I use that term very loosely) her kids does so simply because she thinks she can do it better. In reality, her children can barely read or write, but are pretty good at aerial acrobatics.
ayeayefitlike@reddit
There’s not many simple farmhands kicking about any more. Most people working on farm who aren’t farm owner/manager are contractors, and if they’re selling their services then having an education helps.
I live in farming country - I only hobby farm myself but the guys I know contracting on the farms round about me have all been to ag college or even university.
No_Preference9093@reddit
Yes but they’re working as labourers clearly, not owning the farm.
rainaftermoscow@reddit
I went to agricultural college to get an a level equivalent and most of the courses are at best on the same level as GCSEs and not to be a B word but... most of the kids you encounter aren't bright. Most of them struggle to write a full page tbh. They get by because it's a pass/merit/distinction system and it's super easy to scrape through it.
weewillywinkee@reddit
Good point, she's likely. doing a lot of courses for horses... 😉
MissKatbow@reddit
Surely you need maths and English for farming. I would imagine they work with numbers frequently, deal with a lot of paperwork, etc
Bksudbjdua@reddit
Yeah I would say so but I guess you just learn the math for that specific thing. E.g. for working out how much fees/ fertilizer sort of thing. And I know most will have an accountant, or someone in the family does the math side of things.
mostlysoberfornow@reddit
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gracklemancometh@reddit
Farmer doesn't just mean someone who runs a farm. The guy earning minimum wage, or less, grading potatoes doesn't need much in the way for academics.
It's not right, but some parents are fine with that.
letsgetmarriedlol@reddit
I know so many people who left school early or didn’t attend secondary at all to work on their family farms living in East Anglia
OrbitingPlanetArse@reddit
My mother worked in a doctor's surgery in Devon and saw so many children from farming families who had literally never spent a day at school.
And that's before you get to the forced adoptions of female offspring and one particular family who delivered calves and babies with the same tools .....
smedsterwho@reddit
I get up when I want, except on Wednesdays when I get rudely awakened by the dustmen.
Bksudbjdua@reddit
Parklife
Llamallamapig@reddit
Not religious. They don't own a farm or anything, the mum just works on a yard. The dad has job, I can't remember what but some sort of telephone based work. The reasoning at the time was that she was being bullied, but it seems she was actually the bully. There isn't a legitimate reason not to be in proper education, but the kid doesn't want to give up her lifestyle and would struggle now as she's so far behind. My friend's 6 year old has better spelling, and she does have learning difficulties.
Wolfdreama@reddit
Until you've had a child come home crying every single day from being bullied, being scared to go to school in the morning and dealing with teaches who just don't give a shit (or are powerless to stop it) the I don't think you have any right to judge.
I homeschooled my daughter from age 13.
She went to a local college (high school) and was having unbelievably bad experiences with being bullied. The school refused to do anything (or claimed there wasn't anything they could do). My daughter was miserable. So we pulled her out of school.
There were no regulations. I could teach her whatever we decided. We focused heavily on maths, English, history and art. She knew she wanted to be a pastry chef so she also did a ton of online courses for baking/cake decorating/pâtisserie etc. (where you have to send in pics of your work), plus health and safety and food hygiene courses. When she reached school leaving age, she went to a local college, where she did her maths and English GCSE's and completed a catering course. After that she managed to get a job as a trainee pastry chef and she just progressed from there.
Basically, homeschooling CAN be a very good thing but you have to do it responsibly and for the right reasons. My daughter (she's 28 now) has often told us how grateful she is that we decided to go the homeschool route. She credits it with being able to truly find the things she was passionate about.
FOARP@reddit
"When she reached school leaving age, she went to a local college, where she did her maths and English GCSE's"
Not trying to be mean here, but that means she came out a year behind at least and missing a bunch of GCSEs she could otherwise have gotten.
Not_Wrong_Tho@reddit
Okay, but you legit just chopped out the part where she was the bully and not the one being bullied like it didn't matter to the context?
FlamingosFortune@reddit
This is what homeschooling should be. I’m glad did right by your daughter!
julialoveslush@reddit
I mean, how well do you know her? Are you a close friend of the family or is all this about her bullying hearsay? I said above in more detail, but this seems like undiagnosed high functioning autism to me, as well as possible dyslexia- she should be able to spell if educated until year 5 and I’m surprised her old school didn’t pick up on this. Your comment about your friends 6 year old is pretty unkind.
Llamallamapig@reddit
I know her very well. I’ve known her parents for about 15 years so knew her from infancy. I have tried to help. I’m not family so I can’t just take over, and in all honesty I don’t have time. I have tried, I’ve contacted people, but I’ve not got anywhere. To be it’s child abuse to fail to educate but I’m hitting brick walls.
I compared to the 6yo to demonstrate how badly she is being left behind. The 6yo’s parents read with her every night, do spellings over breakfast every morning to help her keep up. She has dyslexia and is being investigated for autism at the moment, but she’s managing. This little girl’s parents never read to her or with her as a younger child, so a lot of her spelling is phonetic. She’s thankfully reading now, because she’s been take under the wing of a horse owner who has some pony manuals. Her writing will hopefully improve now she’s copying passages of text.
She can be mean, creating TikTok accounts to criticise the other little girls at her stables, which is what it transpired happened at her old school (although that was snapchat). At the school she’d also written notes to herself about herself, pretending they came from the girl she created the hate account about. It’s a bit messy and I don’t know all the details. She prefers the company of older kids and young adults, which to me makes me worry she’s a bit vulnerable.
She did see some specialists (the school was very good in pushing for some investigation for dyslexia) but nothing was diagnosed. She had an autism assessment but was not diagnosed. To be fair there aren’t any obvious alarm bells, although I’m not an expert.
In any event, as I said, the issue isn’t her. She is being let down. Whether a kid can cope with mainstream education or not, once you choose to homeschool you need to do the schooling bit. The lack of regulation is leaving kids like this one behind. She will get to 18 with no GCSEs, maybe one or two equine exams if her riding improves, and very limited options. Most yard jobs still want some GCSEs and equine colleges require maths and English.
julialoveslush@reddit
I know I’ve left two comments so just replying to them both on this post. I feel for you being in the situation where you care and don’t know what to do. I’m guessing her parents are lax with her having a smartphone hence TikTok. Preferring the company of older kids and adults is also an autistic trait although if she isn’t diagnosed/got told she didn’t have it that’s fair enough. I went to 4 high schools and was bullied in each of them before I dropped out at 15, so I can maybe understand her parents concern if she struggled a lot in mainstream school. In their mind they probably think it’s better to have her at home than have a distressed child, although I totally see the irresponsible nature of her not being educated with school subjects. Have you been in touch with social services at all?
julialoveslush@reddit
I mean, how well do you know her? Are you a close friend of the family or is all this about her bullying hearsay? I said above in more detail, but this seems like undiagnosed high functioning autism to me, as well as possible dyslexia- she should be able to spell if educated until year 5.
Rico1983@reddit
Horsey people are nuts.
littlegumby24@reddit
The only one I know of has been home schooled because the previous schooling had fitted their needs. They do follow a structured curriculum and are very knowledgeable in certain areas but where there is no interest in a subject it is not studied. Personally I think this reasoning is more likely in tge UK than overly religious views but happy to be disproved.
rainaftermoscow@reddit
So my parents home educated me because my mother was a member of a batshit sect affiliated with the Southern Baptists in the US. I also spent a lot of time around horses, but thankfully I had a pretty high IQ and was diagnosed as high functioning autistic, so I pretty much taught myself stuff because honestly my mother was as dumb as a box of rocks as well as insane. My dad was autistic like me, and very smart. He stayed on top of my English and taught me to read and helped me with my stutter.
You're right though, there is a complete lack of oversight. My mother wasn't required to report to anyone, follow any curriculum or enrol me in any exams. Thankfully I taught myself enough that when I went to college for equestrian management I was able to study the essentials alongside all of the horse stuff.
Then when I'd gotten a handful of the exams I should have had three years previously and a course that acted as an alternative to A levels, I could move on to studying for a degree. I did end up as a behaviourist, and I was very successful with both horses and dogs. But my socialisation fucking sucked and I never even went on a date before I met my first partner at like 26. Didn't really have friends back then. I also had to learn to mask late because while I excelled academically and I'm regarded as high functioning, socially I was ass backwards and sometimes still am.
Because I was isolated at home and only went to church, the only people I'd spent time around were utter freaking weirdos and I was not prepared for the real world or the dangers it presented on any level. And I often wonder what other paths I could have walked if I'd been able to go to a real school. I mean I'm legally blind now due to a head injury but I'm still able to train dogs so I did something right, but I'm very jealous of those who got to do a more traditional and academic pathway.
Parents really eff their kids over with home education, 0/10 would not recommend. Generally parents who pick home education are doing it because there's something wrong with them. I grew up being exorcised every other week and when I hit fourteen I would have been betrothed if my autism hadn't made me 'defective' where the Baptists were concerned.
AllAvailableLayers@reddit
I'm glad that things worked out better for you, even if you have had a bump on the head.
julialoveslush@reddit
It’s possible she may be autistic (high functioning and special interest in horses) and she may really struggle with a school environment. I was the same - though undiagnosed back then- and dropped out of school at 15 with nothing.
Llamallamapig@reddit
She’s not autistic. Or at least the experts have found she isn’t. She’s not neurodivergent in any way and she doesn’t have dyslexia. She didn’t do well in school but didn’t set off alarm bells. However, her parents never read with her as a little one so her spelling issues seem to come from only having heard words and not having seen them written down. Parents didn’t believe in homework so the only learning she got was in a classroom of 30 kids, some who do have SEN.
Since our local schools don’t have a system of holding people back a year she did make it to year 5. At the time her parents said she was being bullied but the school had reported she was the bully. However she would be an easy target because she was behind.
Kids need support, whether they have SEN or otherwise. She would probably benefit from proper home schooling, since she was getting left behind in mainstream, but that requires engaged parents who work with them, or otherwise have the funds to pay for tutors. Instead she’s allowed to do what she wants. I suppose it’s a small mercy that she’s doing an outdoor activity rather than sitting on her phone.
julialoveslush@reddit
Sounds like she really does need some help, poor girl. I’m glad she’s getting pleasure from horses and learning about them but it sounds like she was let down both by her school and her parents. Did her parents ever give a reason why they chose to not seek out another school with better pastoral care?
Someone really needs to report them to the council as it seems like they’ve done a shit job asking for proof of education.
Llamallamapig@reddit
No, and we have quite a few primary schools in a relatively small area. She was at one of the larger ones but there are a few nice small ones. There are several state high schools as well, so it is possible to avoid the “bullies”.
I have reported to the council but didn’t get anywhere. I’m not family so I don’t know where else I can go about it. I work away a lot so don’t have capacity to take over. Thankfully someone at her stables is a retired teacher who also has lots of books about horses so she’s taking her under her wing.
julialoveslush@reddit
You’ve done all you can do especially if you go ahead with social services. I don’t mean to be cold hearted but if you feel like you can’t provide help to the girl (which I totally understand) then I would cut yourself off from her parents and stop being a family friend to them. They sound awful.
MnMn17nn@reddit
I home educated my kids. One of them was 10 before they could read. Then suddenly they did and they’re at university now and thriving 🤷♀️ Kids learn naturally, in my experience, and it doesn’t need to look like school.
julialoveslush@reddit
You home educated since the start I assume (maybe) using different methods than the school.
Ambitious-Elk-3350@reddit
A lot of thick people don't understand why schools exist.
AnAngryMelon@reddit
There are a lot of things at play but the real answer is that they're stupid, and everything else boils down to that.
YourLocalMosquito@reddit
I’ve seen cases where the parent(s) found school life traumatic and want to spare their child that heartache. They seem to take a very black and white view towards the education system and base it on their own 20+yr old knowledge
OldRhino17@reddit
Some religious beliefs (Plymouth brethren home school their daughters at 14 I believe), some cultural such as Travellers (again not all, but not uncommon); these are anecdotal and not to cause offence. The ones that don’t have a basis in faith are reportedly where a parent disagrees with school rules and withdraws the child instead of having to deal with the issue. This includes high levels of truanting that could lead to fines and court for the parent. Far easier to homeschool than be accountable to a school. Other cases include hiding the child from safeguarding staff when there is abuse in the home. There are over 10,000 children missing in education.in England and whilst some will excel in a homeschooling environment, it can limit their opportunities in life. Sadly some children end up as statistics with a ‘lessons will be learned’ byline. Sources - family in education sector.
teveelion@reddit
Fits around working at a stable is my guess.
noodledoodledoo@reddit
This kind of thing should be classed as child abuse. It's so frustrating to see because there are families who do really well and kids who really thrive from home schooling. But kids shouldn't be getting a worse education when you have the opportunity personalise it to their exact needs!
mattywojcik@reddit
Yeah I was subject to exactly this. Pulled out of school, zero GCSE's at 20 despite being bright
Homeschooling consisted of me playing Minecraft all day, because I was a fucking kid and needed guidance and rules. My parents failed me so hard
o-willow@reddit
I'm in the exact same situation rn. Parents pulled me out of school at the start of y7, and now I don't have a single GCSE and can't lock down a minimum wage job.
Farscape_rocked@reddit
In case you need advice - check out local colleges for maths and english courses for people who don't have maths and english GCSE. They exist exactly for people like you because maths and english are pretty much essential for getting a job.
mattywojcik@reddit
Same here. End of y7. Can’t get hired anywhere plus can't afford transport to take me.
Sending hugs, hope it makes us both feel better that there's a bunch of us in this shitty situation. And to anyone else reading.
HELMET_OF_CECH@reddit
God forbid you have some drive yourself eh?
InfiniteSnack@reddit
Children are not exactly known for their exceptional foresight and academic planning. It’s not their own fault if adults didn’t provide the structure a child needs to learn.
FOARP@reddit
So sorry this happened to you.
A relative of mine's son is refusing to go to secondary school and this is also the future I think they have in waiting for them, despite being bright.
yazshousefortea@reddit
I’m sorry to hear that. What do you do for work now? Did you manage to get any qualifications later?
AffectionateJump7896@reddit
I think if you asked the workers at the council, they would agree that it is a mild form of abuse/neglect.
However, what would you do about it? Really the alternative is to declare that the parents are incompetent (true) and take the child into local authority care, foster homes, regular school etc .
The problem is that local authority care has become so awful, that that might be worse still than the treatment the child is currently getting.
RtHonJamesHacker@reddit
Treat it as truancy, which has court orders for parents to have education on parenting (ie. the impact their parent is having on the children), compel the child to go to a specific, named school, and fine the parents for not complying.
KiwiNo2638@reddit
Let's say you compel a child to go to a specific named school. School is unsuitable for them. Any money if reasons why. Sensory issues, anxiety, bullying, adhd, crowd control issues, quality of teaching etc. That child is forced to attend. They self harm. They attempt suicide because they can't cope with being in that environment. That is the impact the school is having on the child. Learning in a more comfortable environment in a way that works for them is better, no?
BattlestarFaptastula@reddit
those truancy laws just got me physically abused when i was too anxious to go to school so, mid.
Adventurous-Oil918@reddit
You may have been anxious but you still chose not to go to school. These poor kids don't often get a choice
BattlestarFaptastula@reddit
bro
KittyGrewAMoustache@reddit
That’s not the laws that’s the parents. Normal parents would’ve taken your mental health seriously and worked with the school and a doctor to help you. The law isn’t telling parents to beat their kids for truancy just as it isn’t telling them to beat their kids for any other law a kid might break. I’m sorry you had such shit parents I hope you managed to get away and recover.
BattlestarFaptastula@reddit
100% it’s the parents - but isn’t it the parents here too?
FlatoutGently@reddit
The laws did not do that.
Nouschkasdad@reddit
I work in adult social care and have kids in my wider family with SEND- the resources here aren’t great either :(
SafiyaO@reddit
Not sure local authority care has ever been anything other than awful, tbh. Outcomes for children in care have always been atrocious.
BelleRouge6754@reddit
We had a whole section on this in both my criminology module and the family module because of how genuinely shocking the results for children in care are. Something like 25% of all prisoners in the UK have been in care, and roughly half of looked after children get a criminal conviction by age 25 (not necessarily prison time though). It’s difficult to know how much is a result of the child’s original circumstances and how much is a result of the care environment, but pretty much everything suggests that less intervention is better- particularly justice system intervention.
It always goes against the ‘common sense’ penal populism, but longitudinal studies show that criminal justice intervention for children committing crimes escalates the chances that they will reoffend or aggravate their crimes. It was a massive study in Scotland (I think) that compared self-reported crimes and outcomes for children into their adulthood. Children who committed crimes and did not gain a criminal conviction as a result were hugely better off than similar children who happened to get caught and convicted. It’s informed much of our criminal justice policy.
GingerSnapBiscuit@reddit
I was in foster care from age 12 - 18 and honestly the path I was on I was going to have an awful life. I got super lucky. I wish the system worked more for others like it did for me.
No-Jicama-6523@reddit
To some extent it’s impossible to distinguish the consequences of why they were taken into care vs. the consequences of being in care.
SnooLobsters8265@reddit
Yes I’m a safeguarding lead in a school and I’ve had kids that I’m VERY WORRIED about pulled out for homeschooling. Even if they’re on a child protection plan, it seems like the LA can’t really do anything and it becomes a back and forth between the home education team and social care of oh does this meet significant harm threshold blah blah. All the while the kids aren’t learning anything and we don’t have eyes on them like we would if they were in school every day.
Obviously some children thrive being homeschooled or have to be because their SEND needs aren’t being met. If it’s done properly it can be ok.
FlySubstantial9015@reddit
The “workers at the council”, or at least those who work in children and young people’s services, are frustrated by it, but it stems from the “parental choice” the people in government put in place with no real idea how it was going to work. Parents were given the choice of homeschooling with no thought given to how that would work, what regulations would need to be in place and how those regulations would be implemented.
Right now those who homeschool have no oversight, because the (underfunded)services who monitor children’s education (EPs, EWOs, SALTs et al)are run ragged trying to cover the schools in their areas (plus the tribunals that have increased due to aforementioned parental choice) so they only get called in to a homeschool situation if a concern is raised via the equally underfunded children’s social services.
bluesam3@reddit
The obvious answer would be to issue a School Attendance Order, what with this being exactly the thing that they exist for.
HalfAgony-HalfHope@reddit
Home schooling can be massively beneficial but its only as good as yhe person doing the teaching, unfortunately.
Shipwrecking_siren@reddit
I’m bright and educated but my ability to teach my child would be absolutely nil. It is just not a skill set I have. I find it impossible to explain things, and me and my child are both impatient easily frustrated. It would be a total nightmare.
My husband’s extended family lived in Michigan where homeschooling is common in more rural areas, it is amazing. Little communities of people pooling together their skills and time, it sounded like a really good balance
HalfAgony-HalfHope@reddit
Yeah, same. Its not even just knowing the material its being able to explain it in a way that your kid understands. Some HS kids excel. Others are like walking potatoes.
The__Pope_@reddit
It seems like the vast vast majority of the time it's not beneficial at all. There may be some outliers but really every child should be in school
Mammoth-Passion-413@reddit
I have a neigbhour who's kid was not in school for 2 years straight and even now they go to school for 2 hours a day. It's really really disgusting to see. They are also fed junk food daily
ravennme@reddit
Why didn't they go to school for 2 years ? Why do they now only go for 2 hours a day ? What exactly disgusts you ? What part of their diet is junk food and what junk food is it specifically?
Mammoth-Passion-413@reddit
No idea but Police and Social have been round numerous times. Probably a part home school part school deal. And takeaways - literally 3 times a day as meatsack can't cook
bill_end@reddit
How can anyone afford to just eat takeaways nowadays?
Mammoth-Passion-413@reddit
I suspect they are massivley in debt. No holidays - 2003 car - own business but only seems to work 2 days a week. They are also on a pre paid meter
TheWelshPanda@reddit
Wtf has a pre paid meter, or no holidays got to do with their financial situation? Have you seen the cost of living these days? Im o a pre pay by choice as im on PIP and can manage it easier with my income pattern, my credit/debt is fine. Holidays are out of reach for people with multiple incomes in many instances, my mam is driving a 20 year old car.... they may be screwing up schooling and healthy diet but it doesnt give carte blanche to judge across the board based on minimal information.
Mammoth-Passion-413@reddit
Minimal information? Right. Does the fact she was just on the phone asking for £10 from her dad mean anything? She has a business which could give her a very good lifestyle but she even said they couldn't afford a day at the beach last weekend. I've seen this car crash unfold for the last 10 years - they are my literall attached neighbours.
Oh and their situation does not help them when they just take 80% of their rubbish to the bin and leave some on my lawn. last nights takeaways were about £100 as they all have to have their own - I only know as I had to pick up a bag with wrappers in - and it said 3x meal deals £103.99
And that happens EVERY day
FastAd6203@reddit
Lol 2003 car I've got one from 1986 and one from 2009, am I massively in debt too? Maybe they choose the prepay meter?
Chance-Risk7442@reddit
Karen? Is that you?
Mammoth-Passion-413@reddit
No I am a bob, as your mum she's been around here many times
House_Of_Thoth@reddit
Most likely on the SEN/D register and have challenging behaviour that means that being in school any longer just makes everybody else's learning hell, but at the same time it's to try and make some effort of keeping them in school to try and raise the hours rather than completely giving up on them (because us teachers know 90% of their issues are coming from home in the first place)
Mammoth-Passion-413@reddit
If he has SEND issues it's from being fed takeaways 3 times a day 7 days a week for 10 years - and he's only 13
Meanwhile some of ius have genuinly neurodivergent kids who would love to go to school but when I tried the school(s) couldn't handle them - in the end I had no choice but to de register them. I mern don't get me wrong, - they are doing fine but I can't say I am not jealous of people who's kids do go to school everyday
Extra-Sound-1714@reddit
Exactly. If you are giving an individualised schooling to a child either one to one or in a tiny group of siblings, they should be way ahead of their peers in school.
Jolly-Bandicoot7162@reddit
I taught a home-educated boy who joined school at the start of Y10. He was bright, well-educated, well-socialised and an all-round delight to teach. His parents did an amazing job, but then they were also very clever people with a lifestyle that meant they were able to devote time to doing it right.
FOARP@reddit
They also ultimately put their son, who from the sounds of it would succeed anywhere, back into main-stream education once he got to the point of needing qualifications.
Alone_Storage_1897@reddit
*Thrive until they go outside and there’s a whole world of people to encounter
UntilTheSafeWordSir@reddit
There should be some necessity to prove the parents are going to have the ability to teach. I only know one home-schooled child. Son of an acquainsurance/friend. Dad has a Masters. Mum has a BA and took one year of teacher training specialising in early years education to make her ready for junior’s needs. They started his home schooling at 3.5yo. Dad doing Maths. Mum doing everything else. At 5yo junior was reading and writing at the same standard as 8 year olds and Maths at a 10 yo level. I’m not suggesting everyone should be at that level. Not possible. bBut the point is that we all know some people are just incapable and it’s not fair to abandon a child to parents who are either too poorly educated or lack the intelligence to give the child what they need. Willingness or enthusiasm or even oceans of love is not necessarily enough. They don’t need doctorates but they need”enough”.
EPorteous@reddit
Sounds like free child labour to me. Council / police would probably love to hear about a young person working at a stables during the day, whilst a parent also works there
Kactuslord@reddit
That's so sad, that poor child
shhhhh_h@reddit
As a teacher who works with UK home school kids...report this to the council and I guarantee they will care. There are legal requirements for full time education. Homeschooling IS regulated, but you MUST report people or the authorities won't know to go follow up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
maisydee@reddit
At least she has a stable home life …
UncleHeavy@reddit
As someone who has been an educator for 20-odd years, part of the issue is that parents are not teachers.
The time and effort needed for effective teaching is a huge investment and most parents simply aren't willing to do it.
For many, there is an assumption that teaching involves putting information in front of a child and that they will somehow absorb this information through osmosis. In reality it's much harder than that, even more so if there are complex learning needs inhibiting a child ability to learn. Those learning needs may be the reason for the child being homeschooled in ther first place, but unless there are mitigating measures put in place, then homeschooling becomes a fools errand.
There is a romanticised vision of a compliant child sitting at a table getting on with the task at hand whilst a parent sits at their side. Delivering a curriculum of subjects is hard.
Changing subjects every 90 minutes, the prep of content, checking to ensure that he child is genuinely understanding the subject, Marking and re-marking work, giving feedback and support, etc. It's a full-time job and one that quickly loses its' novelty value, even more so if you have a child who is unable, or unwilling to learn in the first place, and I say this from the position of someone who regularly works with classes with 50%+ ADHD, Autism and other learning specrum issues.
My experience is that most parents last about 3-4 weeks before they just put the textbook in front of their child before going off to do the daily household jobs such as cleaning, washing or working from home. Or worse still, the parent gets bored of being a teacher and just leaves their child to do as they please because it's easier than having to work with their child 6 hours a day.
Homeschooling is massively disruptive to daily routines and unless adults are willing to fully commit to the role and make the time in their day to do it properly, they are setting their child up to fail.
At the end of the day, the amount of training that teachers go through is extensive, and despite that, 10% of teachers leave the profession each year in the UK. It's that difficult, and as a vocation, poorly financially rewarded.
I have taught a number of students who have been homeschooled at both FE and HE levels, and there are significant gaps in their learning and understanding which need significant 1-to-1 time to address, and it's difficult for them. We get them there in the end, but it's a lot of work that both the lecturers and student need to invest from the outset.
Unfortunately, the education system is overstretched and there simply is not the capacity to send someone to check on the quality of learning the child is receiving. There are 126k EHE (Elective Home Education) students in the UK, and that number is getting higher each year. I think there was a 15% jump between 2024 and 2025.
I honestly don't know what the solution is, and neither do any government over the past 30 years. Increasing investment into education would help deal with specific support mechanisms, but it won't stabilise the situation until a government is genuinely willing to tackle the system as a whole.
Beer-Milkshakes@reddit
Must be a horsey thing. I know 2 women who were home schooled and only have interest in horses and fitness. Terrible reading and spelling and general knowledge.
Psittacula2@reddit
>*”Her spelling is appalling and she has no knowledge about anything other than horses. She hasn't done maths in the whole time she has been homeschooled. She does some writing (all on horse-related topics) but it's just copied from online resources or books on horses.”*
Thing is though, have you worked in schools and seen the lowest set in Year 11 spell words or struggle to construct sentences and they have been in school since Reception, to put the shoe on the other foot? Yes they tend to get basic maths down at least as they get a priority of lessons here by very good teachers generally.
But the worst thing? The low ability students feel like “shit” and often do not know what to do having had to flog through history, physics and many other subjects with low grades and no idea what they are suited for in the world of work ahead. In some ways far better to pick up experience of work in a good sector sooner and hone specialism at that eg Livery can be a great job for a good talent at it or mechanic in a garage or scaffolder on a building site than the time spent in school… the kid can do a 180 completely, assured, confident and competent…
Too quick to judge and condemn - spend a decade working in schools and it might temper attitudes on alternativespecially given schools ultimately should set kids up to be ready for adult life and they fall far short of that, a lot of parents out source this and think the kids jumping through the hoops will take care of it. In most schools the day of the last exam (GSCE) is immediately the day the school demands all students leave for good. Job done, boxes ticked, time spent in classrooms completed.
teenytinyterrier@reddit
Refreshing to see your post providing some nuance here, especially highlighting the potential damage to self-confidence.
Not saying the parents talked about in these threads have been amazing, but in terms of the kids, the problems clearly seem to be systemic issues arising from mainstream education. Perhaps the outcomes for such children being ‘home schooled’ - air quotes - are better than they would be in mainstream, even if it’s far from ideal.
Rather than judging people who are between a rock and a hard place, we should be asking why there are no provisions to allow this little girl to flourish without relying on her parents’ ‘knowing what’s best for her’.
In general, the Scandinavian system of bringing academics into learning later on in childhood clearly produces better results in my opinion
SarkyMs@reddit
Try reporting them, there is a requirement to actually educate your child
Pop_Crackle@reddit
I know too many examples like that. The kids don't have a choice in life. Many got to 18yo and have no GCSEs. They are stuck. They are now in a benefit cycle doom loop.
SerendipitousCrow@reddit
There's a guy I see on tiktok who doesn't have his kid in school. He does odd jobs like powerwashing driveways and brings the lad as a helper. He says he doesn't care that his son won't get GCSEs because he can just do Functional Skills as an adult. Poor kid is going to have a harsh wake up call one day
scoschooo@reddit
So this is completely legal? The UK government basically doesn't care and no politician has made any laws to stop this? I am shocked because this is illegal in the US and there are laws - but still parents can do a very bad job teaching - but at least it is illegal and the laws reduce how often this happens.
Pop_Crackle@reddit
Yes completely legal. Illegal when kids don't show up to school, but once they are registered as "home schooled", the checks are in the hands of their local authority. Some don't care, some care more.
scoschooo@reddit
it's strange they didn't make laws about this
Pop_Crackle@reddit
They are now. Hence the post :) The government is finally looking into it.
EscapeTheSecondAttac@reddit
I knew someone who was homeschooled since 11 (currently 27) as she didn’t want to go to school. She got 0 qualifications, sat around watching TV all day. She has no friends and has never worked more than 4 hours as her mental health can’t cope. She was Oxbridge clever and she’s literally wasted her life.
snarkacademia@reddit
I lived next door to a similar situation for a while. Absolutely horrible parents, he was an alcoholic and she was vicious. They dumped hundreds of bag s of rubbish in their garden rather than putting it in the bin. Real scummy people.
The child was "homeschooled" and I could hear her mother basically bullying her all day to do housework. She would be screamed at for not hoovering. It was just an appalling abusive situation and we kept reporting it, but the social workers did absolutely nothing. I often wonder where that girl is today. She had no formal education and couldn't look anyone in the eye to speak to them.
Fatbloke-66@reddit
I don't see how you can be home-schooled when both parents are working (assuming no one else is coming in to teach)
auntie_eggma@reddit
And this poor kid is being “homeschooled" why?
Maria_The_Mage@reddit
To be fair,I knew someone like this who grew up on various communes in a kind of hippie lifestyle, they always had horses and she alao didn't get qualifications etc. She struggled a lot to get employment despite being very bright, but caught up somewhat in adult education later on and went on to become a equine therapist.
It's not only riding you can do with horses - there are other avenues the girl you describe could pursue. I don't agree with other comments saying it's abuse, disadvantage and lack of foresight from the parents sure. And she'll have to catch up later on.in life maybe. But it would be more abusive to pressure her into things she doesn't want to do.
GnomeMnemonic@reddit
This is a bit of a blanket statement and ignores the fact that a lot of parenting is making kids do things they'd rather not (early bed times, eating vegetables, brushing teeth). That is not abuse, it is instilling responsibility.
ExoticMangoz@reddit
Personally, I think refusing a child the opportunity to be educated to the fullest extent is one of the worst crimes you could commit against them. Education is SO important. I don’t even think the average state school student is properly educated. This is appalling.
walkunafraid7@reddit
It's not just the educational side either - it's the social side, the having professionals there should they need help side. It's so, so abusive and I would hazard a guess that most children who are "home educated" are neglected in other areas as well. Completely agree with you - one of the worst things you could do to a child, in my opinion.
scoschooo@reddit
Why doesn't the UK have any laws about this? Other countries do.
GnomeMnemonic@reddit
Surely that situation falls foul of child labour laws? They're basically neglecting her education in favour of having an extra stable hand.
Representative-Ear26@reddit
Kids learn really well just from life, I don't actually know what her life is, non of us do, but to be honest, this doesn't sound all bad. It's a real shame she is missing out on maths and that will undoubtedly hold her back a bit in the future, but if she was being bullied in school and is happy now, this seems overall like a win. There is genuinely a mental health crisis happening for UK teens. State schools are not actually performing that well for the kids that need extra help or for SEN kids which adds to their feelings of not being good enough. 1 in 3 students fail both their maths and English gsce's. One third. Years of learning and prep.
I could be wrong, but I think this kid might be alright.
yolosobolo@reddit
Many people leave school without any skills despite 12-14 years of schooling .hence why there are many low skilled jobs that are filled not to mention all the tradespeople who learn their skills on the job. The idea that if you aren't in school you must only get learning about horses is crazy. If you can read and write you are basically fine. It'll be hard to get certain professional jobs unless you go back and redo your a levels but almost everything is wide open to you if you want it.
Now if you just go on tablet all day you are definitely sub optimal in learning skills but how many adults go through school and then immediately stop learning and spend too much time on screens? Like most of them in my experience.
Affectionate_You7621@reddit
Sounds like Princess Anne.
earthandanarchy@reddit
It's called home education in the UK, home schooling is when the school provides the education for a child at home, usually under special circumstances. I am in the UK and my children are home educated, I was genuinely surprised at how 'unregulated' it is and the news rules they are bringing in do nothing to ensure a good education. Personally I would rather have to do more to prove my kids are well educated and get some kind of support (free school meals vouchers for those who qualify etc) than the current system. My home ed kids are reading and writing better than their peers at school, I see lots of posts from home ed parents that concern me though.
BoopingBurrito@reddit
Its pretty much unregulated, and there's a huge amount of abuse being covered up by it.
Some folk do it for very good reasons, but unfortunately they're standing side by side with people who are doing it for very, very bad reasons.
BigFloofRabbit@reddit
Some of the home schooling parents are doing it because they are religious zealots or conspiracy theory believers, unfortunately.
(I don't mean any disrespect to anyone's religion, just please don't be extreme about isolating your child from anything else)
SnooBooks1701@reddit
Worked in a council, one woman phoned in to start home schooling her daughter because the school was "pushing that woke LQBG stuff on these young'uns". The council can't refuse these requests even when the parents very obviously don't have the child's best interests at heart
ForgiveSomeone@reddit
You're absolutely allowed for disrespect religion, especially when it leads to insane parents taking their children out of school so they can indoctrinate them at will.
BoopingBurrito@reddit
And some of them are doing it because they're extremely abusive and schools are one of the main places that abuse gets noticed and reported.
wildcosmia84@reddit
Like I said, you're spreading incorrect information. You've changed now from "huge amount of abuse covered up" to "some." Abuse isn't more common in home educated children than children who attend schools.
MnMn17nn@reddit
Also want to point out that some of what happens in school isn’t ideal - nurse friend was shocked when she started working a&e near local school and frequently had pupils in. Pretending that all schools are utopias isn’t helpful.
wildcosmia84@reddit
This isn't correct info. It is regulated, and there's about to be even more regulation - including a HE register for every child who is HE.
Where is your evidence for there being a "huge amount" of abuse being covered up by it? The vast majority of home educating families are those folk doing it for the "good reasons" you mention, not the ilk of Sara Sharif's father. It's dangerous to spread this kind of misinformation.
BigFloofRabbit@reddit
Well, I am living evidence. Please feel free to ask me anything.
My parents took me out of school due to their conspiracy theory paranoia about the curriculum, did not educate me at all, and seriously neglected me as a child.
wildcosmia84@reddit
I'm sorry you had that experience, but that doesn't mean it's okay for people to tarnish home education with the same brush just because a minority of home educated parents may be abusive or neglectful.
coffeeebucks@reddit
One is too many.
BigFloofRabbit@reddit
There's a good reason home education isn't allowed in most European countries. It is to protect people like me, regardless of what ratio of home educated children we are.
realvanillaextract@reddit
That is not the reason.
PapaJrer@reddit
That's not the reason the ban was introduced in Germany...
wildcosmia84@reddit
Unfortunately there is a huge amount of children with additional needs who are failed by the school system and local SEND departments which means many of these children get taken out of school to HE before they end up dead from MH problems induced by being in the wrong/abusive environment. That's on the government to fix but HE is a human right and is an essential lifeline for some children in the face of the failures of the education system. And I say this as someone who works in a school with children with SEN.
ForgiveSomeone@reddit
Home education is barely regulated, to such an extent that countless children slip through the cracks and cannot be tracked by authorities.
A significant amount of children, around 10,000, disappear into the ether, with local authorities having no idea where they have ended up after being removed from school.
The new regulations coming in will barely scratch the service, but at least they'll be a start to holding parents to account.
BoopingBurrito@reddit
Its only nominally regulated, there's little by way of resource or willingness by the state to actually step in and enforce those regulations.
Salt_Specific_740@reddit
I'm not sure how it is now, but I was taught at home from the age of 5, I think I spent around one month in mainstream school. When I was younger the checks were quite rigorous, someone would come and sit with us and we'd have to show what we were learning(various subjects) and demonstrate we had a good knowledge base. My Mum would have to show where she was getting learning resources from. As I got older they pretty much started to do away with the checks, then in the end it was just a form for my Mum to fill in to declare I wasn't a dunce. This was all quite a long time ago though, I'm 35 now!
millalahen@reddit
It's lovely to read this, I had a similar experience and I'm your age. I'd not change it but I strongly believe it's how careful our parents were to keep us learning broad subjects, sitting exams as external candidates and several hobbies to make a pool of different freinds. We didn't enjoy the being tarbrushed along with the kids to who sat in pajamas and played games all day.
Representative-Ear26@reddit
Those checks were almost certainly opt in. They didn't use to look as closely as they do now. But you did use to be able to opt into a service.
Salt_Specific_740@reddit
No, they were mandatory at the time.
spaceyjase@reddit
Yeah, I recall this being true - the Local Education Authority would have mandated visits monthly, which was two LEA officers from memory. I don't remember much about the checks themselves other them demonstrating the kind of things I'd been learning; I was always into music myself but later, especially with the introduction of home computers (perhaps revealing my generation here...), into computer programming and software.
There seems to be a lot of reverse survivorship bias in the thread (or perhaps bias from my perspective?). I'm degree educated and know of others who were also home educated (via the Education Otherwise group) whom I'd also consider successful members of society. It's not something I'd general consider singing and dancing about simply because I feel like we're just like everybody else.
ZydrateAnatomic@reddit (OP)
How do you think the experience shaped you? Was it for religious reasons or not?
Salt_Specific_740@reddit
Partly for religious reasons- it wasn't a requirement but just something my Mum preferred to do. I don't feel it hindered me in any way- I had good jobs from the age of 16, got into college and I have a degree.
townshatfire@reddit
Clearly done you absolutely no harm whatsoever!
Well done to your mum!!
haileybaileyone@reddit
I was home educated for about 5 years in the late 90s (after being bullied at school for years). My mum did the most incredible job, and I can’t begin to comprehend what it cost her in terms of text books and lost earnings and her own life in general. She followed the NC and would record all the educational programmes overnight on BBC (this was before we had the internet at home). She sent me to a tutor for English and History, which she didn’t feel confident teaching me, and we did maths, science and French at home.
We were in Oxford, which had a fairly active homeschool community at the time, so different parents would take the children for small group teaching from time to time, which was a help.
My mum lived in fear of being ‘inspected’ by the council, which was meant to happen every six months IIRC. But we were never once contacted in 5 years. Of course, she was fearful that she would be told she was doing a terrible job and what the repercussions might be. Although in hindsight, and reading here, she was doing an outstanding job.
I did eventually go back to school in year 10, which was so hard but was the right thing to do - I don’t think we would have ever been able to cover the material to exam level from home.
I was fortunate to have a good experience. I went on to be first in family to go to university. And I honestly think homeschooling saved my life at the time.
Reading here, I’m so sorry to hear so many people who had different and difficult experiences. But it doesn’t surprise me. Looking back, it was clearly unregulated and I was just extremely lucky.
dreadwitch@reddit
Nope it's entirely unregulated and anyone can choose to do it. I've seen both sides unfortunately!
One friend took her kids out of school just before covid, they're thriving and the eldest just passed her A levels last year. She actively sought help and pays for a tutor in some subjects, she's also fairly intelligent.
I know someone else who decided schools are bad for her darlings, her kids need freedom to be kids and getting up every day at 7am to walk to school is not in tune with her idea of freedom. Her youngest needs to not wear socks (even in winter), he needs to not wear a uniform and he needs to be able to lay down whenever the fancy takes him.. If the school won't allow that then she won't send them. For the past 3 years she's homeschooled 2 boys (14 and 11), this involves basically no education at all. They sleep most of the day and play on computers all night, she feeds them hpf and rarely do they have a proper made from scratch meal, their meal times are erratic. She doesn't supervise them at all and basically leaves them to it. She says they are getting an education in real life lol now if she took them out every day, visited museums and historic places, traveled abroad or even went for a walk in the bloody woods they might be getting an education... But they sit on computers.
The youngest can't read or write, the eldest is a dumb as can be and can't even have a conversation. She's absolutely ruined those kids lives because they don't even have anything to fall back on. She's also about as intelligent as a slug, believes all the bs she sees on tiktok and always takes her kids side even when she knows they're in the wrong direction to the point she's lied to the police.
Imo I don't disagree with it, but it needs to be fully regulated and the parents need to prove that they're not only capable of educating the kids but that they're actually doing it.
Myorangecrush77@reddit
I have home schooled my kid - as it was an abusive send school otherwise.
We followed the curriculum as well as I could (send child) and we had a timetable and structure, but also did extra stuff like horse riding.
He’s now in school again - and has been for 5 years. And about to go to college to do a course in… equine.
However. I also know parents who home school whose children could barely write. One wanted to be a doctor, but she wasn’t Putting them though any curriculum that would lead to qualifications. It was all ‘it’ll be fine’. And ‘they do clubs. They have social skills’ (they didn’t).
wilof@reddit
I almost feel its rich parents, mums who can afford to stay home and spend their time "home schooling" I know some who think cemtrails are real, also antivax and is home schooling.
Hot-Information5697@reddit
I used to know someone who " homeschooled" her son after taking him out of school I used to socialize with her regularly and never once saw him ever being taught anything or heard her speak about how she taught him. When I pressed her about this she showed me three words she had written on a board that he had to copy, the child was 9 by this stage. As far as I could gather his homeschooling involved her and her husband bumming around camping and doing various hippie stuff but no actual learning. The kid was very isolated and was clearly behind. The friendship fizzled out pretty quickly because she became very anti school and just surrounded herself with people that agreed.
I worked in children's social care at the time and she was very very critical of the idea of the local councils being given more "power" to check what was actually being taught by homeschoolers. I tried to explain one of the most common ways abusers avoid investigation is to remove a child from education as teachers are almost always the first to flag signs of neglect or abuse outside of direct family. According to her this was just about the government wanting to control you.........
KiwiNo2638@reddit
There is a difference between home schooling (replicating school at home, lessons, timetables, following the nationally curriculum), and home education( not doing the above because those things are unsuitable for the child). Unregulated? Kinda. But councils have a duty to make sure that the kids are receiving some education. "Schooling" is unsuitable for a lot of kids. So home education is a better option.
BrewtallyCozy@reddit
I was homeschooled, but I grew up in the US before I moved back home to the UK. I went into homeschool due to being bullied really badly and schools did nothing about it. Yes, rumours then spread around quickly that I was pregnant... For me homeschool was the best thing ever. Yeah, I have learning disabilities, but again schools didn't care and blamed the fact I was moved to another country/off school often (off school because I was bullied).
I did my work when I wanted, stayed up late some days did nothing... Always had my work done. I know education is important, but I feel it's taken too seriously. Kids should have some fun, and I did while learning
I am very surprised that kids over here aren't homeschooled as much. I'd have thought it would have become more popular since COVID, however I guess based on this message not so much.
throwaway-awawa@reddit
i was home educated, never been to school in any capacity. it's entirely unregulated, and because of my mother's choice, i have been royally fucked over. no qualifications, no chance of employment, extreme social anxiety and other untreated mental health issues, and i'm completely unvaccinated.
Playful_Beyond_2218@reddit
If you feel able to, the nurse at the gp practice can start getting you up to date with some of your vaccines
Fluffy_Eye5482@reddit
The nurses can come across as pretty intimidating, especially the older ladies, but they genuinely care about getting you sorted. I had some embarrassing issues as a young man and after hearing the circumstances she was angry, but not at me just the system. Immediately started throwing hands with paperwork and the doctors to get my medical essentials done. They're really undervalued.
HesitantBrobecks@reddit
For a trans person it totally depends on the nurse. I'd bet money an older nurse would be more likely to say that being on hormones means they can't vaccinate you now, than for the nurse to just give them the vaccines.
I once had a nurse say my kidney stones must actually be a problem with my reproductive organs cos I'm on T. Even though I had back pain not lower abdominal cramps/pain. Ultrasound proved I was right, it was just fucking kidney stones, nothing was wrong elsewhere and those aren't caused by T!
anabsentfriend@reddit
If you're over 19 you can take courses to get your maths and english gcses for free. My friend took her maths in her 40s.
LycheeSilent4571@reddit
I did English and am doing maths currently. I also did chemistry which I booked the exam privately and got grade 6s, just studied myself online and did past exam papers
throwaway-awawa@reddit
yep, working on both of those things
everythingsoon@reddit
I had to go and get vaccinated as an adult too. I’ve tried to become more like the adult I needed when I was a child and didn’t have, makes me feel a bit better about stuff I missed out on.
anabsentfriend@reddit
Good luck, I'm sure you'll get there.
imitsi@reddit
So… why aren’t you vaccinated now?
throwaway-awawa@reddit
anxiety + dealing with the nhs on other medical shit
BigFloofRabbit@reddit
Me too. My parents are conspiracy theory believers who pulled me out of school when I was 8.
By the time I was 18 I had no GCSEs, no friends, never been vaccinated and lived in cloud cuckoo land. Took me ages to get some GCSEs doing evening classes after work as an adult.
FOARP@reddit
Glad to hear you managed to get work and qualifications. That would have taken some genuine determination on your part for which you should be proud.
Ambivalent-Axolotl@reddit
Massive props to you for getting those qualifications while working, that must've been really hard!
Alarming_Doughnut365@reddit
How's your relationship with your parents now,? Do you think you would ever forgive them?
Nooodlepip@reddit
Damn, I’m sorry. So nobody ever checked on you?
shhhhh_h@reddit
You mean nobody who knew their situation ever reported it. No, the government doesn't check on parents who home school, that would be overreach, they expect the community to report crime just like always.
throwaway-awawa@reddit
all of my childhood friends are also home educated. i've made more friends as an adult though and i'm gradually on my way to living an actual normal life
BigFloofRabbit@reddit
There is a subreddit r/homeschoolrecovery for people who've been through this crap
throwaway-awawa@reddit
oh shit nice
re_Claire@reddit
I wish you the best of luck with all of it.
Mental_Body_5496@reddit
Probably nobody knew they existed.
QueenChoco@reddit
The vaccination one is an easy one to start with if you want to make progress. Just book a slot with your GP
House_Of_Thoth@reddit
You can go to college for free and do all your GCSEs, then A-Levels for free, there's English and maths and IT (functional skills) you can do for free :)!
Royal_Community_9626@reddit
I don’t think you can alevels for free past 19 unless you have an EHCP. I was always told there’s funding for 3 years of post year 11 education.
House_Of_Thoth@reddit
Yeah, you can. If you don't hold a level 3 qualification and you're +19, then there's funding for everybody that the college will have on their forms :)
Great_Cucumber2924@reddit
So sorry you’re dealing with all that. A book that helped me a lot with anxiety is the Happiness Trap by Russ Harris. I hope you overcome it and live a different kind of life one day.
Appropriate-Net-583@reddit
I keep seeing posts popping up (when I have to log into Facebook to use marketplace) of home ed families absolutely kicking off at the idea of any council oversight or regulation, calling it extreme overreach, fear mongering etc. The level of ownership some of these parents display over their kids appalls me; it genuinely seems that since Covid there is an increasing subset of entitled people who want to opt out of society altogether and consider education, social services, local authorities etc as evil and out to get them for being free spirits.
I saw a bloke crop up on my Instagram a while ago who had pulled his 14 year old son out of school to “go to work” with him (he’s a tradie). No evidence of the lad doing anything to support a future outside the family business whatsoever. Blatant exploitation of child labour and creating conditions to make your kid dependent on you.
I’m sympathetic to some home ed situations, especially SEND related. But I can never get over where this manifests as depriving your child of options. Looking at your kid and deciding “they’re a free spirit/aren’t learning anything useful at school/are better off coming to work with me” and home educating with no curriculum on that basis is an unfortunately common sentiment, and I’d be lying if I said I didn’t find it infuriating
Desperate_Cook_7338@reddit
There's no point to school. So what I did a masters graduated from a top UK uni, no grad jobs. Wish I had played with horses instead.
ajfromuk@reddit
My niece is "home schooled" as she refused to go to secondary school constantly, she's now 16 and in her last year.
Her home schooling had consisted of nothing at all apart from her sitting in her room doing whatever she wants.
She's supposed to sit her GCSEs this summer and having spoke to my sister she's been told she can't as she has had no education at all and will not be able to do them.
I just can't understand how it's able to happen.
x-ThatGirl-x@reddit
Sounds exactly like my sister in law too! Are we related 😂
FOARP@reddit
Sorry to say, the issue is often:
1) The parents can't get their kids to go to school, and,
2) Choose to home-school to avoid having to send their kids to school, but,
3) They don't realise that home-schooling requires, if anything, even more discipline than just getting their kids to go to school, and so they fail to do one for the same reason they fail to do the other.
ajfromuk@reddit
Fully agree. My sister has messed this kid up by caving into her and it's just going to cause her a very hard future (the kid) despite my sister having good intentions.
Should have made her go and if not then make sure she studied at home. We've had many heated discussions about this.
realvanillaextract@reddit
What do you mean she's been told she can't take them? Who can stop you taking them? You would have to pay, but that's the case anyway.
ajfromuk@reddit
The school she is meant to attend.
realvanillaextract@reddit
If she is home educated, how is there a school she is meant to attend? Has she stopped being home educated and gone back to school?
ajfromuk@reddit
No but she's still registered at her school, refuses to go and I believe has been given instruction on home to home educate over the years but nothing has happened.
It's now time for GCSEs and to sit them she has to attend the exam halls but has bene told there is no point due to her non attendance and clearly no home education.
Longjumping_Car3318@reddit
If you want to have accredited qualifications you have to sit them in an official capacity. So it's very common for HE children to be booked a place in GCSE exams at a 'normal' school, college, etc.
Additional-Guard-211@reddit
I work for a social work team and honestly, we kind of wont say it, and certainly not record it, we don’t like it.
takhana@reddit
I feel for you.
I get a lot of FYP tiktoks from the homeschool ilk... not sure why, I'm not arrogant enough to think I could teach my child better than any actually trained teacher could... but the vitriol a lot of them have about social services and the new proposed (?) checks that are coming in is enough to tell me that the vast majority of people who homeschool really shouldn't.
WoollenItBeNice@reddit
I found it really telling that there was so much pushback from home schoolers about the proposed (and soon to be confirmed!) requirement to register kids as being home schooled. Something about how the government shouldn't have a say in how they educate their child, rather than seeing it as a vital safeguarding measure 🙄
FYI, the new framework is in the Children's Wellbeing and Schools Bill, which is due to become an Act (i.e. the actual law) in the next fortnight or so.
takhana@reddit
Yep. Same.
Thanks for the extra info on the act!
WoollenItBeNice@reddit
Side note: I am so angry that the passage of the Bill into an Act has been held up by the introduction of (and arguments over) the social media restrictions stuff. Like, fine, assign parliamentary time to that, but don't just shove it into a largely unrelated Bill at the last possible moment and hold up more important things about the physical safety of children and the effectiveness of schools.
End rant.
linmanfu@reddit
Parents choosing how to educate their children is one of the absolutely basic human rights listed in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Are there other human rights you don't like?!
The UDHR also says everyone has a right to an education and children need to protected if they're not getting that. But that doesn't necessarily need to come from a single provider.
Additional-Guard-211@reddit
Parental choice is a human right, but it is not absolute. it must be balanced against the child’s right to a suitable education and the state’s duty to intervene if that isn’t met.
BigFloofRabbit@reddit
Are you an Education Officer?
When I was a kid they used to come over, my mum would blag a load of rubbish about all the stuff she was 'teaching' me, they'd believe every word and then go
walkunafraid7@reddit
Are you one of my siblings? Mine did this for a bit, and then after a while just successfully managed to evade them until I was 16. Mind boggling.
Additional-Guard-211@reddit
No, how often were the visits? I thought it was every 6 months but I could be wrong. It could vary between LA’s too
smnthb90@reddit
The LA is allowed to ask for information once a year and that is allowed to be in the form of a written response which should show progress in numeracy, literacy and other areas of learning, including examples (but not samples) of work. As it stands, there's no requirement to allow anyone from the LA into your home just because you've chosen the default method of education in this country and home education should not automatically be seen as a safeguarding concern, although of course there are children out there at risk of harm who slip under the radar, just as there many children in schools who are also slipping under the radar. Home education isn't a safeguarding risk, bad parents are (and if parents remove a child from school and don't educate them, that's not home education, it's a child missing from education)
BigFloofRabbit@reddit
That sounds about right. I was told to come downstairs, smile and not mention that I was actually playing video games or hanging out around town all day
ZydrateAnatomic@reddit (OP)
But, why don’t people say it though?
Additional-Guard-211@reddit
Not illegal, parents have that right to make that choice. As long as they are meeting the child’s needs we are happy (And some may say it isnt but our threshold for intervention is no where where the public think it is).
ZydrateAnatomic@reddit (OP)
So in practice even if the kids are not really getting enough socialisation and education, there is a limit to how much one can intervene?
Additional-Guard-211@reddit
It depends, they are visited by home education team i think its every 6 months- and a show can obviously be out on (to a degree). We would need education to come to us with evidence of a “significant risk of harm”. This is hard to define, let alone prove. Not sure how common this is but i had a case last years a kid who had been out of school for 3 years and no evidence of home schooling or the social activities. Even then mum agreed to work with education and we closed the case (unsure if it came back. Schools are our biggest eyes and ears; we have a big love/hate relationship with teachers!
falx-sn@reddit
What can I do if nephews were taking our during COVID because parents were feeling stressed because they weren't able to get the kids up for school on time? Then no education since.
Additional-Guard-211@reddit
Report to their LA, education welfare team, if you cant get through to them. Children’s Social Care MASH. MASH will pass it onto education to sort out. If parents are not providing an education and don’t work on how to address this then it could go back to CSC, but the legislation really does not help us here.
BoopingBurrito@reddit
Because frequently if you criticise home schooling online you end up getting dogpiled by a huge number of people who either were home schooled or are home schooling their kids, both of whom get very defensive of it.
Strangely enough the reddit community has an outsized representation of home schooling compared to regular society. /s
And if you criticise it in an official position, the Daily Mail will pillory you.
ZydrateAnatomic@reddit (OP)
The Daily Mail supports homeschooling?
Agitated_Ad_361@reddit
They support anything that can bash social services or any other public service, yes.
MissionLet7301@reddit
It doesn't support homeschooling per se, but it's definitely against any of the measures that would work to better regulate and improve home schooling (i.e. more council involvement and enforcement).
charlie_boo@reddit
They support stories that cause arguments on their social media channels.
pajamakitten@reddit
It does not support state intervention in how people raise their kids i.e. 'the nanny state'. Ensuring that home-schooled kids are actually getting an education is part of that.
ThriftyNails@reddit
tell me about it. I took my AuDHD kid out of school at 7 due to constant bullying. I figured out early on that me trying to teach him wasn't working, so we tried unschooling or student led learning. Basically so long as he was engaged with an activity most of the time throughout the day, I didn't stress over what. Kids are naturally curious. Keep them busy, engage with them, and they'll learn.
After a physical health scare, children's services got involved and an emergency social worker decided I was an evil alcoholic mother keeping her kid uneducated and socially isolated. I got kicked around a court room a bunch of times and drug tested (totally alcohol free, just like I'd said). Drs, lawyers, judges, social workers, everyone for a year was telling me I was wrong and terrible for not sending him to a school he got bullied daily in.
The professional the court hired to assess my kid's education said that his education was in the top 2.5% for his peer group, and he would've scored higher if it wasn't for terrible math scores bringing it down (dyscalculia). He's in art school now and is the foremost with drawing skills as he's had the time to draw for hours each day, and is hugely popular with his tutors as he's entirely self-motivating and self-managing, skills he learned years ago.
I'd read several times that further education institutions love unschooled students as they're still excited by learning, and this appears to be very much the case with us. So sometimes parents are tailoring a kid's education to them, their skills and goals. I can understand why social workers assume the worst but maybe try not to.
misspixal4688@reddit
But you like not protecting kids from abuse in school or missing actual abuse in the home you seem to like that.....
Common_Try8257@reddit
It is. The current situation with the rise in home schooling has many causes. Historically, local authorities have had little in the way of powers or duties with regard to home schooled children. The rise of academy trusts has eroded a level of accountability locally. It has become easier for schools to offroll by persuading parents to home school as an alternative to exclusion or because it's simply too difficult for the school to meet a child's needs.
No doubt many children are electively home educated in a genuine sense, but many others are in that position because their needs aren't being met in mainstream school but they don't meet the threshold for an EHCP, are on a long waiting list for CAMHS, etc etc. It's a sad reality that, in some cases at least, the school system in the UK is about trying to hammer square pegs into round holes. Inevitably we end up destroying the pegs.
HazelnutLatte_88@reddit
My husbands nephew hasn’t been to school in about 3 years. He’s ’homeschooled’ now but as far as I know he sleeps all day and games all night. It’s a terrifying situation but who am I to question it.
Biggeordiegeek@reddit
In my personal experience, homeschooling is more often than not a very high indicator that there is some sort of abuse going on, it’s a major red flag for me
Every homeschooled person I have met as an adult is woefully undereducated and has had to do a lot of hard graft to catch up with their peers
Personally I would go the German route and ban it altogether
AnxiousAppointment70@reddit
Our daughter and husband are homeschooling 2 of their children and using a proper official NC scheme of work. They're in a cooperative that does socials, sport and art. They have gym, swimming and do outdoor activities, have piano lessons and are well ahead for reading. I don't know about inspection but I know our grandchildren are getting a good all round education. Our daughter prepares all lessons in advance - it's a lot of work!
helpful_idiott@reddit
My neighbours kid is homeschooled. It seems to consist of him being left at home all day smoking weed in the back garden
smnthb90@reddit
So he isn't being home educated then
helpful_idiott@reddit
Council seem to think so. Either that or didn’t care which has the same effect
Least_Return5174@reddit
Completely unregulated. I have friends homeschooling who are doing it brilliantly. Diverse, nature focused but covering the GCSE subject fully And socialising their kids with other homeschoolers.
I know other households who've pulled their kids from school because "them teachers dont no nuffin" At least one has parents that beat the kids. No one checks. I fear for those children. They're barely literate.
Excellent_Worker5527@reddit
Have you reported them to social services? The police?
Least_Return5174@reddit
Yep, and until we get a smacking ban they wont do a thing. The dad hits them when they're Bad. In no aspect of adult life can you lamp someone life you disagree with, regardless of their behaviour. But currently hes doing nothing wrong.
Derby_lad@reddit
My grand daughter has been home schooled for the last 18 months due to bullying, she studies maths and English in the mornings and has the afternoons free. She has weekly sessions with private tutors. Her school have assessed her progress and she's well ahead of the rest of her school year. It's down to the parents and grandparents to provide the help and support required for home schooling.
One_Complex6429@reddit
There's bad schools and good home schooling One doesn't exclude the other
Redditisfuckincrap@reddit
It's a complete shit show.
My own experience.
A friend of ours homeschools her kids, we interact a lot with them as our children are also very close friends.
They are falling behind massively.
And not just them the HE friends who come round as well are just being failed miserably. The mum's with money seems to be doing okay as they pay for tutors.
But yeah it's a shit show I'm amazed it's allowed to go on.
Sarendale@reddit
I work in the education sector and it’s fully dependent on the local authority to regulate it. I’ve seen kids removed from homeschooling due to inadequate provision. But it’s 100% down to how competent the local authority agent allocated each child is. Basically it’s a coin flip and thousands of children in home education are basically getting no education. Some parents literally use it as a bargaining chip when they don’t get the school they want and it usually works at getting the kid 1:1 tuition or into a private school if the parents kick and scream enough.
ConceptMaximum7596@reddit
I was homeschooled on the ACE system. We didn't follow the national curriculum. School inspectors visit you if the local council is aware you're homeschooling. We had two visits from inspectors, but for some reason, they stopped making visits. My Mum found the visits really stressful, so the last thing she was going to do was ask them to come back.
lizzywbu@reddit
My sister in law removed her 2 kids from school a few years ago due to fears of them being "brainwashed by the system". She homeschools them herself despite having no qualifications to do so.
Whenever I spend time with that side of the family, I'm shocked by how poorly educated her children are and how little they know for their ages. The kids are also completely unvaccinated, so I'm always reticent to let my children spend time with them.
External_Slip_1739@reddit
More likely that people can’t live off of one salary
custardspangler@reddit
EHE is totally unregulated and in many parts of the country it's become synonymous with "dropping out".
It also is very telling when you ask the question of how the parents can be around to staff this EHE - the answer is usually that they don't work, and have a level of education that is very low themselves.
For some, EHE is amazing and the kids thrive. However, if the parents don't have the finances to be around to support it and the intelligence themselves to manage it then it's a slippery slope to worklessness, prison or teenage pregnancy.
Also - councils don't have the staff to inspect it.
SWTransGirl@reddit
My exes sister was “homeschooled”.
Every time the parents attempted to do lessons, she’d kick off, they’d abort. It was an excuse for her to fuck about.
While she was autistic, the family (and she) played on it hard. Was an absolute shitshow. That child was spoiled and should’ve been in main stream school, maybe with a SEN TA in place, but it was such a shame.
One of the other sisters was aiming to be homeschooled too, but I don’t know if that happened after we’d separated.
Honest-Possible6596@reddit
I understand the reasons many parents choose to home school, but the fact of the matter is that most parents just aren’t cut out to educate their children to a satisfactory degree. I know three sets of parents who are homeschooling, all for varying reasons, and all the kids are way behind where they should be. Two, my neighbours, seem far younger than their years, and have absolutely zero social skills because they are also lacking that common interaction as well as the education. Their parents, nice enough on a surface level, are conspiracy theorists who think schools are indoctrinating kids. That’s a separate debate, but they, meanwhile, are teaching their kids to doom prep, avoid tap water, be anti-vax etc. they’ve swapped one indoctrination for another because they aren’t being exposed to any other opinions. The eldest, 10, came Carol singing at Christmas. I gave him a few coins and he asked me how much it was. Another mother who is homeschooling her kids thinks she’s sticking it to the system but she honestly couldn’t give a shit about teaching her kid. She sent him to the shop with a tenner and a shopping list and called it a maths lesson. Mostly he’s hanging around the street at all hours of the day. I know there’s more to learning than sitting at a desk, but surely some of it has to involve him actually doing stuff with his mother.
I know people will jump in and say they’re outliers, and perhaps they are. I’m sure there’s loads of success stories when the time and effort is put in. But the fact is that very few of us are cut out to adequately teach an education to children, and it’s them who will ultimately suffer. Going by the few personal examples I’ve seen, the system needs reforming, because the outcome for these kids looks bleak.
BoleynRose@reddit
I love the romantic notion of homeschooling, but you are absolutely right that you need to be realistic about what you can offer and not everyone has the resources (or talent tbh) to offer a successful homeschooling experience.
I'm getting rather frustrated at one of my friends who will be homeschooling her son next year who keeps sharing memes about schools expecting 4 year olds to sit still at their desk for 8 hours. It's inflammatory nonsense that preys on mums who are nervous about their children starting school.
While I do know a little boy who has been successfully homeschooled this year due to various operations, the others highlight issues if you don't do it right. For example, I know one mum who was so worried her son would be bullied that she homeschooled. Now as an adult he will weep and hyperventilate if he thinks he's being criticised, even if it's addressed to a group. In adulthood he is coming across hardship and uncertainty for the first time in his life and has no idea how to handle it.
FOARP@reddit
There is, sadly, a lot of this, and yes, via Facebook.
Jenschnifer@reddit
I get Facebook group posts from home school groups and they are shocking. There’s always a “I pulled out my 13 year old what do I do” that’s followed up with telling the council that his maths lessons are planned around the family shop. That’s 8 year old stuff, my kids nursery takes them shopping FFS.
SouthernPansie@reddit
Most people I know who are homeschooling it's because their kids are neurodiverse and weren't coping in mainstream school (running away, meltdowns, severe bullying etc). They would all prefer their kids to be in mainstream but the state sector just doesn't have the resources to accommodate their kids' needs. I do wonder what the future holds for these kids as it's hard to imagine them getting to a point where they could cope with uni or employment.
anabsentfriend@reddit
I have a friend who considered home schooling for this reason. But decided against it because she knew that her already insular and socially anxious child would most likely become even more withdrawn. He's now starting to find a social group at 10 years old which is really nice to see. I think his mum made the right decision.
FOARP@reddit
Right. Kids can make their own way given a chance. Taking the opportunity to even try away from them is not the right choice in the overwhelming majority of cases.
froghogdog19@reddit
I have huge sympathy for them. I am neurodivergent but wasn’t diagnosed when I was in school. In my last two years of high school, I was a school refuser and spent a lot of time at home, and a lot of time in the SEN suite. I taught myself about 50% of the time, and in the last of of year 11, most of the time. Thankfully, I still did fine in my GCSEs. I wish I’d been homeschooled as I found school so traumatising.
WackyWhippet@reddit
That was my situation too, except I went to a referral unit which was great in every way except for the fact they were only able to support foundation level maths and English GCSEs. I did go to mainstream school a few hours a week to do a couple more but didn't do great because I couldn't stand being there. I think if homeschooling/distance learning had been as viable as it is now I'd have been a lot better off. We have the tech, it just needs more regulation and oversight.
OMGItsCheezWTF@reddit
My autistic sister had this issue. Her attendance was so bad she would be handed screaming to the head teacher of the school by my mother, only to get a phone call 20 minutes later saying my sister had escaped and left the school grounds. The school was completely unable to accommodate her needs and just went through the motions for 4 years until my sister could leave. She's in her 30s now and does well but there were no consultations for neurodivergent kids back then. You were either a good kid or bad.
froghogdog19@reddit
Yeah, I was “good” and still didn’t get the support I needed. It’s so sad to see what it’s done to people. I’m really glad your sister is doing OK now - I’m a similar age and was in a similar position.
Warm-Marsupial8912@reddit
yep, same. The kids were very often being really badly bullied & did everything to avoid going to school anyway. But they use a lot of online resources, meet up with other homeschool families to overcome the lack of social interaction and are taking it incredibly seriously
Wenlocke@reddit
A lot of the people I know who do homeschooling are doing so because SEND in mainstream schools is mostly abysmal and the places that do do it right are oversubscribed (or even private)
FOARP@reddit
As a kid who grew up SEND in the 80's and 90's (when believe me, it was in every way worse than it is now), in the vast majority of cases you are absolutely sabotaging your children's futures by attempting to home-school them. Children can get through on their own efforts, but not if you wreck their chances by not even sending them to the place where they can get the qualifications and education needed to do so.
HenryHarryLarry@reddit
I was encouraged by my local authority’s head of education and my child’s headteacher to home educate. Because they didn’t want to meet his needs. They told me they thought I was more than capable academically and “it might be for the best.” I said no.
Our local home ed group is, no surprise, full of kids with additional needs.
Spicymargx@reddit
It’s illegal for a headteacher to encourage you to home educate, you should put in a complaint
bluejackmovedagain@reddit
It's extra ridiculous because most LA elective home education teams are really hot on this and will raise hell the second they find out this has happened.
HenryHarryLarry@reddit
I have a long list of stuff I should make complaints about. But making complaints is time consuming and emotionally draining, especially when the same people are still in charge of looking after your vulnerable child. I’m a burntout single parent and have to pick and choose where I put my energy.
bluejackmovedagain@reddit
My niece is home schooled for this reason. Her mother tried ever other option first, but ran out of other choices.
She has a structured curriculum and attends online lessons with other young people four days a week, then does things like cooking with her mother or going rock climbing on the other day. The online centre even have meet ups for school trips, they went to a museum last year.
microdemons@reddit
my son is nearing compulsory school age and i’ve decided to home educate him for this reason
froghogdog19@reddit
Thank you! People are so unaware of this. Everyone I’ve ever met who homeschools their kids does so for this reason. Many have been forced to quit their jobs to ensure Theo child is educated.
BigFloofRabbit@reddit
It certainly was in my day. I was home educated from 2003-2008 and spent a lot of time on the PlayStation instead of having lessons.
I still can't believe my parents were allowed to take me out of school considering they had neither the ability nor the will to provide me with any lessons or proper learning materials.
Hoping it is better these days but honestly I have no idea
FOARP@reddit
Honestly, having seen this, it's very often entirely based on wishful thinking. People think they know everything they need to know to school their kids but it's completely wrong for the overwhelming majority of them. Very often the issue is weakness on the part of the parent in getting their kids to go to school in the face of natural resistance, without considering for a minute that if they can't get their kids to go to school, they're also not going to be able to impose the discipline necessary to school those children for 5 hours a day.
cardamommycupcake@reddit
Why did they even want to do that? Do they realise or regret that decision now?
BigFloofRabbit@reddit
They are huge David Icke/conspiracy fans who didn't agree with the school curriculum and didn't want me getting 'brainwashed'. Though they told the school that it was because they could teach me better at home. I did have behavioural problems so the school was glad to get rid of me, I think.
My dad regrets it, but my mother is still deep into her conspiracy theories
Due_Vanilla9786@reddit
old friends of mine are very much down this rabbit hole and i fear have taken their kids out of school. i am purely basing this on the amount of home schooling content ive been seeing on insta recently that they’ve ‘liked’. neither one of them even stayed on at school, let alone went on to further education. i feel like i can only worry from afar though as i distanced myself from them after some pretty horrible opinions started to surface.
anabsentfriend@reddit
I went to college with a woman who sounds like your parents. Had two kids, homeschooled them both (she wasn't particularly academic and struggled with exams). She and her husband were also anti-vaxxers. I often wondered how the kids turned out. The eldest will be around 16 now.
How did things work out for you. Did you go back to education later. How was it getting a job?
BigFloofRabbit@reddit
Indeed. Both my parents left school at 16. I'm amazed they were trusted to 'educate' me.
Things worked out fine thank you, I am married and we have our own house etc. Yes, I ended up doing my GCSEs as an adult in my 20s at evening classes after work.
Not too difficult getting a job as I've always worked in call centres so they aren't too fussed about education anyway.
anabsentfriend@reddit
It sounds like you must be quite determined and resilient.
Agitated_Ad_361@reddit
They’ve probably got Victorian diseases and the reading age of a Victorian chimney sweep. Bet they can fix and work on cars that will be outdated soon and therefore with out a lot of work.
cardamommycupcake@reddit
Ah, ok. Hope you’re doing well now!
Deep_Pepper_5405@reddit
I remember years ago watching some tv show where someone was defending home schooling and how her children now thrived after being bullied etc.
She was rich. She had private tutors for several hours a day teaching her children and they had a community of other homeschooled kids whose tutors were specialised in different subjects. The families would share costs on hiring labs etc. so they could learn science and all that stuff.
Yeah, I have no doubt that it was great for the children.
chocklityclair@reddit
How are they supposed to regulate it?
FOARP@reddit
It basically just ends up with the kids not being educated in most cases. I'm sure people sufficiently dedicated can pull it off, but for most people it is throwing away the life-opportunities of the child and the freedom of the parents.
Don't do it unless you genuinely have to.
tacticall0tion@reddit
My fiancée (and her brothers) were home educated until Year 9, you're not missing anything its insanely unregulated. She's fortunate her mum wasn't a moron, and actually took the time to plan out covering the various topics that would in school. The main difference was she used real world situations as the backbone of their education, and put the effort into learning effective teaching methods. She didn't just slap a book in front of them, or believe a geography lesson consisted of watching animal planet for multiple hours.
example: If they went to the shops she'd have them take small notebooks, and then get them to do mathematics based on the items they were buying.
It made it less rigid, and meant quite early on they become good a quick mental calculations.
The only thing she feels they lacked until going to school was the social aspect of being in a school with a ton of other kids. So when she first got to school her mind was blown by the fact people didn't actively engage with the lessons. Also she had no idea what bullying was so had absolutely no idea when other kids were being unkind
Agitated_Ad_361@reddit
Parents who actively want to homeschool their children generally fall into two groups. 1. Parents of children with additional needs or mental health issues who are desperate to intervene in the school system failing their child miserably… or 2. (And sadly more common) complete nut cases who believe they are better teachers than actual teachers but didn’t get a single useful GCSE.
PapaJrer@reddit
Over a third of home ed kids I know (out of hundreds) have at least one parent who is a qualified teacher.
Agitated_Ad_361@reddit
Qualified and expert in all subjects a secondary aged student would need?
PapaJrer@reddit
You seem to misunderstand how home education tends to be delivered. It's seldom a parent and child stuck at home working through everything alone together. It's an à la carte, community, approach incorporating tutors, teachers, coaches, oyher parents, and friends.
Amongst the adults my children directly engage with each week, there are more qualified teachers and PhD than most schools in the country would have.
I'm not saying this is the case of every single home ed kid in the country, but it's far from unusual.
Agitated_Ad_361@reddit
I don’t misunderstand how it works, what you’ve described is the ideal scenario. Congratulations if you’re providing that upbringing and homeschooling because that is genuinely nourishing. I think you, however, don’t realise how unusual that actually is.
PapaJrer@reddit
Out of interest, how many home educating families have you met and discussed their routine? For me it's in the hundreds, and, as I say, this sort of approach isn't atypical.
Agitated_Ad_361@reddit
I work in the Alternative Provision sector and have done for a long time. It is my job to pick up the pieces of schools failing kids through behaviour mismanagement and then social service referrals from homeschooled kids who haven’t learnt anything in 10 years who are expected to sit some exams. We are approaching this from different sides!
Excellent_Worker5527@reddit
It's a bit worrying that you are the person who is supposed to help, yet you label their families as nut jobs.
Agitated_Ad_361@reddit
Specifically some of the parents, yes. The kids, no, they are victims.
PapaJrer@reddit
So you are primarily dealing with the subset of families for whom home education was a plan B (or plan Z)? And of those, primarily the most extreme cases of struggle/neglect/abuse? Is it fair to say that might offer a somewhat skewed perspective?
Agitated_Ad_361@reddit
Is it fair to say we both have skewed views and that both ends of the spectrum exists?
PapaJrer@reddit
I agree both ends of the spectrum exist, but you original post is incredibly inaccurate as to what the average cases look like. Classing anyone home educating for anything their than health reasons as a 'nut job' ignores the quiet majority of parents who are doing a very good.
Thick-Fox-6949@reddit
In the U.S. children who have specialized needs are often homeschooled as well - due to public school provision not being the best for them. I don’t know what percentage of homeschooling fall under this. In the U.S. it really depends on where you are located, some states regulates homeschooling pretty stringently and some others barely regulate. To my knowledge homeschooling is quite difficult in the UK because the parents or guardians need to demonstrate adequate provision.
o-willow@reddit
I was homeschooled in the UK along with my siblings. One of my siblings was almost illiterate at 14. I struggle a lot with getting a decent jobs as I don't have GCSE's. There's no regulations.
BigReference1xx@reddit
You get fined if your kid misses days from school - but permanently removing the kid from school is just fine.
It makes no god dang sense to me.
Curious_Octopod@reddit
Its simple - the parent is responsible for ensuring a suitable education for their child. If they appoint a school to do it for them, they sign a contract with the school which basically says that the parent will deliver the child to school during school hours. IF the parent breaks the terms of the contract they're fined. If the parent ends the contract correctly by deregistering their child, there are no broken terms to be fined for.
scoschooo@reddit
Why doesn't the government try to make sure kids get an education? It is so hard to understand the UK government - it seems ineffective in many things. Why doesn't it make laws to stop parents doing this? The politicians just don't care? Can't be bothered to address this?
linmanfu@reddit
It's because there's a balance between two things. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights says
but it also says
So it's important to protect parents' right to educate their children differently if they want to. If parents abuse that to deny their children an education, that's also a problem, but homeschooling is pretty rare in the UK so I think that's less of an issue.
scoschooo@reddit
great comment, thank you
PolarLocalCallingSvc@reddit
If you fail to actually give them a full time education at home though then you can be handed a School Attendance Order which requires them to go back to school. Disobeying it can result in going to court with significant penalties.
Basically, if the council is doing their job right, you can't just remove a child from school and do nothing with them all day.
C2BK@reddit
You're absolutely right, but sadly the relevant authorities are massively underfunded, which means they can't offer market rates to fill their vacancies, which has an impact on their effectiveness.
Phat-Lines@reddit
Yup. My cousin who I was very close with from birth up until I turned 17, was taken out of school by his parents at 13. He is only 6 months younger than me, we were on similar trajectories grade wise up until this point.
His parents did no home schooling and honestly it derailed his life. He’s autistic and ADHD, very financially insecure family, neither parents have ever worked. The lack of structure and input from school honestly just fucked his mental development.
No one checked in on what was happening or if they did check it was half arsed and no action was taken. He was made to go back to do maths and English GCSE at a local college but by this point he was 16, almost 17, he hardly ever attended and eventually just stopped going. He is now 25, has no GCSEs, crippling drug addiction, criminal record for violent crimes, emotional maturity is like that of a young teen if not worse. Fucking heartbreaking because he use to show real promise with maths and computer science, use to have friends and was a lot of fun to be around. He had a very reasonable chance at a stable alright life until he was taken out of school by his parents.
His parents never should have taken him out of school but the local authority also absolutely failed him by not picking up on what was really happening.
shhhhh_h@reddit
>but the local authority also absolutely failed him
They have to be made aware....the people who failed him were the other adults in the situation who knew just like you what was going on and did nothing to report it to the local council. You were just a kid, but I hope if you saw that situation now you would report it immediately.
teenytinyterrier@reddit
Why was he taken out of school?
Potential-Ordinary-5@reddit
This sounds like my nephew. He wasn't taken out of school but he had hugely reduced hours and was never made to go. He even went to an engineering school designed for children with his kinds of needs. He spent far more time at home that school during those hours.
He died from an overdose when he was 18. I cannot even tell you how heartbreaking that was to watch. My parents tried to intervene but technically he wasn't even marriage related as he was from my SiL previous relationship so we didn't stand a chance. It didn't hurt any less having to attend his funeral though.
C2BK@reddit
That's shocking, I can't imagine how frustrated (and probably angry) you could be feeling about his being let down like that.
shhhhh_h@reddit
If you report, they're obligated to follow up. Sadly most of the problem is people in this thread shrugging and talking about people they know massively failing the legal requirements and yet doing nothing? Reports are anonymous you guys.
Extra-Sound-1714@reddit
And local authorities can only do it when parents don't know their rights i.e. local authorities do not have a right to meet the child or see samples of work. All a parent needs to do is write an annual report that can be made up.
Anglo-Euro-0891@reddit
I suspect that most parents who attempt to homeschool are not really up to the task.
The parents would ideally need to have had really good level of education themselves (of at least degree level), and preferably also teacher/tutoring training or experience as a minimum requirement, just to cope with properly teaching a full curriculum to someone else.
PetersMapProject@reddit
School Attendance Orders are vanishingly rare, much rarer than they should be.
Extra-Sound-1714@reddit
It is very easy to avoid one unless your child was at a special school
ZydrateAnatomic@reddit (OP)
Okay but what a full time education consists of is not very strictly defined.
PolarLocalCallingSvc@reddit
Didn't say it was. There is guidance though - 5 hours a day for 190 days of the year.
Was just responding to the point about being fined for missing a day of school but it supposedly being allowed to take them out of school entirely. Yes you can take them out of school but if you take them out then don't provide education you can be made to take them to school again or given serious penalties.
Extra-Sound-1714@reddit
The legal powers are so few that it is hard to enforce them. All a parent needs to do is send in an annual mad3 up report every year
Fancy-Professor-7113@reddit
My kids do less hours than this in private school and are way ahead of the curriculum because of much smaller class sizes, more staff more resources. My oldest is in Y9 and doing GCSE English and Maths this summer. My youngest is homeschooled via tutoring because of health issues, and again it takes a lot less hours to learn when it's one to one.
When we moved house we couldn't get state school places or an LEA arrangement for our youngest. We've had to pay through the nose for it but I can safely say the quality and targeting of education also impacts the number of hours you need to be learning.
Colleen987@reddit
It’s not very defined in schools either. Schools don’t have to follow the national curriculum, they only do if they are state funded.
404pbnotfound@reddit
I am not saying I agree with how things are - but the schools have targets to hit, so if you agree to sue their services they are suddenly measured against your kids performance. If you home school it doesn’t impact the school.
It’s a bit like your kid having a job, if you miss a lot of work days your company will be annoyed, if you never work their in the first place they don’t give a shit.
Head-Possibility-377@reddit
I know a family who were homeschooled by their mother after the mother let them took time off and the school threatened to fine her. She took both kids out of school and “homeschooled”. Ten years later they’ve no qualifications and live on benefits having never been employed. If it was up to me i would arrest her.
Head-Possibility-377@reddit
I know a family who were homeschooled by their mother after the mother let them took time off and the school threatened to sue. She took both kids out of school and “homeschooled”. Ten years later they’ve no qualifications and live on benefits having never been employed. If it was up to me i would arrest her.
Dazz316@reddit
This is like saying you get into trouble for missing a day of work but are allowed to find a job elsewhere. It's not that crazy.
Excellent_Worker5527@reddit
As someone who wants to homeschool my 3 year old, there are very much 2 camps of parent who want to homeschool.
Firstly, there is the likes of me. I'm an ex primary teacher and I want to home school for the first few years because I think children go to school too early in this country. I know I can support him educationally and I know it's beneficial for him to have that time being a child, having fun with us and learning through play and experiences, instead of sitting in a classroom all day. He's just had his birthday party, and had 18 friends there, none of which would be at his school. So socialisation is also not a problem.
Then the flip side, you have the conspiracy theory believing, religious/woo woo believing, anti Vax patent who "hates the system" and doesn't want their child to be "indoctrinated" by school. They might even believe they're giving their child the best education, but they're not. They refuse to engage with the local authority, and give the bear minimum to pass the yearly checks.
But, there are yearly reports that need to be handed in. There is also home visits available, though parents can deny those. Personally, I think this latest bill going through at the moment is a good thing. More checks need to be done. As you can imagine, the home school Facebook groups hate it.
You should see America though. If you think here is bad, just look over there...
cgknight1@reddit
First of - there is no UK in this sense - there are four system - England and Wales are pretty similar but the law is changing in ways to make it more regulated, scotland is different again.
Again different between the four nations.
ZydrateAnatomic@reddit (OP)
How is the law changing?
cgknight1@reddit
https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3909
https://www.gov.wales/childrens-wellbeing-and-schools-bill-and-elective-home-education-html?utm_source=chatgpt.com
scoschooo@reddit
are these going to pass? so there will be a better system?
WoollenItBeNice@reddit
Almost certainly. The Bill is currently in its very last stage and is primarily being held up by the Commons and Lords arguing over a social media ban (which wasn't in the original Bill and was shoved in at the lat minute 🙄). That will be settled in the next couple of weeks, after which the Bill will become an Act (law).
After that, there will need to be a period where they make a process for enforcing it, give deadlines etc, but the underlying law will be there.
If you want more details, another comment has given some links to the current Bill and someone else has summarised the main bits.
scoschooo@reddit
thank you
Royal_Community_9626@reddit
I don’t know why it wouldn’t. These children who aren’t getting an education (which isn’t all homeschooled kids obviously) will most likely end up unemployed and on benefits forever which no one wants.
r_Coolspot@reddit
OK, but imagine this is reddit and clicking links is not going to happen... What's changing?
WATCHING_CLOSELY@reddit
Mandatory Registration: Parents will be legally required to register their home-educated child with their local authority, which will then maintain a "children not in school" register. · Oversight of Provision: Parents must provide the local authority with information about the education they are providing for their child. · Enhanced Safeguarding: Local authorities will have additional powers to conduct enhanced checks, specifically for children currently subject to child protection measures or who have been in the last five years. · Information Sharing: The Bill will enable better information sharing between health and education services to help identify children who might be missing education. · Alternative to Registration: An amendment allows parents to submit an annual "educational portfolio" as a less intrusive alternative to full registration, to demonstrate the child's learning progress. · Timeline: The Bill is expected to become an Act of Parliament in the first week of May 2026. A final Senedd debate on the provisions impacting Wales is scheduled for March 2026.
linmanfu@reddit
Do you have a source for the paragraph about an "educational portfolio" or could it be an AI hallucination? The Welsh Government announcement doesn't mention it. I can only find mentions of it by Welsh home education groups saying it's a useful strategy if the LEA makes enquiries under the current law, not after the reforms. But I'm not an expert on this.
Super_Ground9690@reddit
I wonder how many home-schooled children will suddenly find themselves back in mainstream education when their parents realise they actually have to put in some effort if they want to keep their kids at home.
r_Coolspot@reddit
Thank you kind redditer.
mothsugar@reddit
You sound like me when I'm prompting ChatGPT
snapper1971@reddit
We homeschool. Our youngest is studying computer science as his main subject and focus. He's also studying English, maths, geography, history, science and has a working knowledge of Irish, Japanese, and German. We're not religious so he doesn't get fed crap like that, but we do cover religion as a comparative approach. He is well socialised because we're part of the local home ed groups. His other activities include climbing, sailing and tennis. He's also fully vaccinated - mum is a biologist now (although she's focused on his education and not working aside from the home ed) but was a jet propulsion engineer in the airforce. I'm a photographer with a specialism in rare and ancient fabrics. It's working for us. He'll be doing his exams (whatever they're called at that point).
GingerPrince72@reddit
Homeschooling is almost always basically child abuse from tinfoil hat loons Should be outlawed expect for special cases.
National_Average1115@reddit
If the educating parent is a graduate, they are as qualified as a private school teacher needs to be, and more qualified than a lot of people in state school classrooms under the nominal supervision of a qualified teacher like myself. Most home schooled children take the more rigorous international GCSEs and Bacs, which are angled towards more traditional knowledge bases and teaching methods in English maths and science,and they take exams early and spread out. It's not for everyone and there are some weird families about, but there's such awful behaviour in urban schools in the state sector that goes unpunished, and I know people who sacrificed good careers to rescue their children who were bullied or different.
FunCamel8855@reddit
It's a bizarre double standard where truancy gets punished but opting out entirely faces little oversight. That lack of structure can really fail kids who end up with massive gaps in their education.
HugeRedDog@reddit
We’ve been home educating our three children since our eldest was 7 (they’re now 19), and honestly, it’s been one of the best decisions we’ve made as a family.
For us, the biggest positive has been the ability to tailor learning to each child. They’ve all had very different interests, strengths, and paces of learning, and home education has allowed us to adapt around that rather than forcing them into a one-size-fits-all system. It’s meant deeper understanding, more curiosity, and far less stress around “keeping up.”
We’ve also seen huge benefits in confidence and independence. Our kids are comfortable talking to people of all ages, asking questions, and taking ownership of their learning. They’re not just memorising for exams—they’re learning how to think, problem-solve, and explore what genuinely interests them.
Family life has been another massive positive. We’ve had more time together, more flexibility, and the chance to learn through real-life experiences—travel, projects, day-to-day responsibilities—not just textbooks.
A big proof point for us is our eldest, who is now at university studying engineering and genuinely excelling. That journey—from home education into higher education—has really reinforced our belief that this approach can set children up not just academically, but for life.
That’s not to say it’s always easy—it takes commitment, patience, and constant adjustment—but for us, it’s been incredibly rewarding.
Home education isn’t for everyone, but it’s absolutely a valid and positive path when it’s done with care and intention.
Ill_Independence3057@reddit
It's a system that seems to rely more on parental good faith than actual oversight, which is a huge gamble for the kid's future.
Ya_Boy_Toasty@reddit
So, local authorities are meant to check in yearly. During that check in you're meant to supply evidence that your child has been receiving an education "appropriate for their age and ability". If you can't then they can apply to the courts to force your child back into school. In theory homeschooling is a fantastic tool for SEN kids, or for those whose local schools are really underperforming and failing the children in them (like a lot of secondary schools near us).
Having said that, it seems like local authority just doesn't have the staff and resources to actually keep up with this commitment.
We home school our disabled child after the school essentially pulled all support for SEN kids during a term break and spent a month trying to fix all the things the academy owners put into place. They completely failed her from the moment she became unwell to the moment we pulled her, so we weren't really given much of a choice. A month after deregistering we had a zoom meeting with our local authority to go over everything, talk resources, our responsibilities and commitments to our child's education etc. That was last March and we've not heard anything since. Another family we know hasn't heard anything in 3 years.
We are doing everything right. She has a maths tutor, we've invested in an online course for child development, we've researched the English curriculum so she can sit her GCSEs etc. We've made sacrifices so my OH can be a full time carer/teacher to our child. A nurse I know has homeschooled from 8-16 and their child is doing their GCSEs without problem. Our child's London specialist told us they have patients whose families range from doctors, lawyers, and even headmasters who homeschool because they prefer the freedom to educate in a way their child will actually learn from instead of the current system the UK uses. But there are families who don't care what their child does, who don't care if they end up with any skills or qualifications, as long as they don't have to have arguments getting them into school in the morning.
So, yes it's regulated to a degree. Yes there are some people doing it right. But there just isn't the money and infrastructure to keep up with the amount of people who are being failed by the education system, or who want to educate their child in a more holistic way, or are just lazy sods who see formal education as a waste or time.
Cirias@reddit
I'm a home educating parent (along with my partner) to our 13 year old son. I'll offer our perspective because our son has never been in school, he was home ed from the start by choice.
As what I consider a fairly "normal" family and both parents having been through the regular school system with plenty of friends, I will say that the home ed system in this country is very unregulated and completely different depending on which local authority you fall under. Where we live, there is almost zero regulation or inspection, unless you're someone who removed your child from school. The measures coming in to have a register are positive in my opinion, although I know many parents in the home ed world are extremely against it.
The reasons we originally chose to home ed our child were mainly around: 1) giving them a joyful childhood without early pressures around performance, 2) allowing them to explore their interests and learning choices more freely, 3) very poor choice of local schools where we originally lived. As we progressed, it became a very natural and good fit for our child and quite frankly they would have struggled in a school environment for various reasons but one of those being lack of SEND provision.
In terms of education, we follow home education rather than home schooling, which means we don't run the day like a rigid classroom (what would be the point otherwise). We have a timetable and we cover all the subjects and in fact are on track to take part of his GCSEs ahead of time, which is also great in terms of alleviating exam pressure by spreading it over a longer time period. My wife does all the home ed day to day and I work, then we share responsibilities and things in between like taking him to activities, social meetups, group classes etc.
Socialisation is a big factor that I've heard so much, and believe me I've had my share of people lecturing me on it like I'm not aware or something. Our child has many friends both home ed and schooled. They attend home ed clubs and classes several times a week where children of all ages socialise and spend time together, then he also does things like Scouts and choir. Now, the interesting factor that everyone neglects is this: our child is not someone who enjoys constantly being around other children, they get burned out and they enjoy their downtime. In fact, I was the exact same as a child and even though I had a lot of friends I'd be most happy just chilling on my own.
To contrast our experience above with "normal" schooled children, I have a family member of the same age who have been in full time school and have that regular education experience. They are miserable in school, have no friends and struggles with bullying, and they struggle with the education side of things as well. Would that child have been better off in a home ed environment like my son? Possibly, but just because you put a child in school doesn't automatically mean they suddenly get a good social group and excel in their studies. When I was in school, there was a kid in my form group who got ruthlessly bullied for 5 years running and had no friends besides me (well I tried to befriend them), and I had another friend who was extremely popular and got A+ grades, yet wound up miserable as an adult.
So I hope to offer a more balanced view of home education and show you that not every child is some weird unsocialised kid whose parents aren't properly educating them or caring for them. There are so many smart and sociable kids in that community, many of whom we know and my son is friends with. It's not for every child, many would maybe prefer to go to school and would excel there. But home ed is an important option for a lot of kids, provided it is done well and the parents are being responsible. That is one reason why a register and proper oversight is important.
One final thought is this. As parents we should have the ultimate choice over how our children live their lives, but in reality we are relinquishing that responsibility to the government who can only ever give a one size fits all approach. Most parents I have spoken to are not even aware you don't have to send your child to school when they come of age, it's actually a choice you have but it's framed as a compulsory thing. You must ensure they are in full time education but how you do that and what you teach your child is up to you. So many parents have been shocked at learning that and just went with the status quo without realising their options. As parents, we need to take more responsibility and step up for our children.
Various-Set5270@reddit
I'm in the UK and I have a friend who home schools her kids and the local authority certainly does check that she follows the national curriculum, and all here kids are lovely and highly intelligent.
My concern is that for every parent doing it right, there's an equal amount that do it for the wrong reasons
Cloverfield1996@reddit
I was homeschooled for a year. It's very unregulated. A lady came round to see me writing in a work book, spoke to my mother about her plans, and left. Said we were doing more than we needed. Mostly I went on "school trips" to learning centers, museums, galleries, points of historic interest. We didn't follow the curriculum. They didn't care about grading.
I missed other people so I was put back into school in year 6 UK.
DontCatchThePigeon@reddit
You're not missing anything. We home educated for a little while, oldest started school in year 2. Our reasons were that he was (still is) very young for his age, and that formal education in this country starts way too young. Our youngest is a very different character, so he started in reception.
In the two years we home educated, we didn't once hear from the council. There were no checks, no guidance, no resources available.
In our case, he went to formal education twice a week, forest school once a week, an outdoor pursuits type thing when there were sessions available. The rest of the time we did play-based learning, or went to home education events, or took trips to museums etc. We also had the flexibility to go away whenever we wanted or needed, which was super helpful with an elderly relative a three-hour drive away.
But we're fairly responsible, educated folk with a plan for his education. He's a smart lad, and we were doing it through choice not because we were forced into it by failings of the school. And we always had a plan to send him back into mainstream education. He thrived during our time in home education, and took the transition to mainstream pretty well too.
Although there were parents we met during home education who were interested in the opportunities for kids to thrive in learning in different ways, or discovering what interested them without being confined to a narrow curriculum, a lot of the other families we met along the way were...not similarly inclined.
The general consensus in some groups was that kids should be kids and not pushed into doing anything that they didn't want to - including reading, attending anything outside their home unless it was for play, and acting like decent human beings. There were others doing it because their belief systems didn't agree with formal education - I don't mean religious beliefs just the kind of folk that don't think the government should be able to tell us things like what vaccinations will save our kids lives etc. Then another group of parents who were essentially doing home education because their kids wouldn't cope physically/mentally with mainstream education.
A significant problem is that a lot of home educators have had very bad experiences with formal schooling. Kids are pulled out because it's the only option to keep them safe, or well. Mainstream schools are not set up to allow flexibility, so the disabled kid who has regular appointments, and weeks where they can barely get out of bed, but who could thrive on the times they could attend, gets labelled as a problem because of low attendance. Flexible schooling for parents who need to travel a lot isn't an option. And the list goes on.
So when these parents, who often (though by no means always) have very good reasons not to trust in the education system, are told there's now a register, and the education is going to be closely monitored, of course it presents a panic response. Anyone who's ever battled a school to get the right to attend a funeral in school time with their kids, or to even be told what the process is to get support for their SEN child, will have some empathy for that.
But it's not safe for there to be no eyes on these kids at all. There's a massive spectrum between the current 'we don't know how many kids are being home educated' and the approach of 'all children must follow the national curriculum at all times and we'll do spot testing'.
Most councils now (in England) seem to have a register, though not every kid is on it, and an annual report requirement where the guardian of the kid says what they've been doing and what the plan is for the coming year. From a safeguarding perspective that's insufficient. The answer isn't the national curriculum, but a greater check that they're receiving a full time education (which is what the law says, it doesn't specify how that's received). But in return, those families should be having access to an education allowance to pay for resources as happens in at least some US states.
If flexischooling was a right (basically part time attendance, only some schools offer it), there was a more common sense approach to authorised absence in schools, and a focus on child wellbeing over testing, I think an awful lot of home educators would return to mainstream schooling anyway.
As a side note, home schooling is different. That's usually set up as part of mainstream education where tutors are paid for by the state to educate a child who can't be in school for whatever reason.
Bagrowa@reddit
I would say this has been our experience as well.
Friendly_Order3729@reddit
It needs much stronger regulation.
One thing that I want to point out is that teachers receive a lot of training with regards to safe guarding. Just because a child is with their parents, doesn't mean they're safe. Going to school allows other adults to see the child, notice the warning signs. An abused child who is homeschooled may be only in the sight of their abuser.
microdemons@reddit
home schooling is when a child is still enrolled in school, just working from home/hospital etc. home education is when a child is not enrolled in school.
home education is not unregulated. parents have to send an annual report to their local authority. some home ed kids don’t do gcse’s etc but from my research (as a parent choosing home ed instead of school) is that the majority of kids at that age do gcse’s privately, or join local sixth forms and do a level 1/2 college course alongside gcse maths and english. some kids are even doing open uni courses as there’s no prerequisites.
most families i have spoken to, met, or come across online have deregistered their kids from schools. the majority of those home educated from compulsory school age are younger siblings of kids that were deregistered and their parents have chosen not to put their younger kids in the system.
a lot of families are flexischooling (3-4 day weeks registered at mainstream school then 1-2 days home ed) if agreed by the school, or go part time at an independent school. a lot of families use private flexischool providers, so their kids are registered home educated then attend an alternative provision a few hours to a few days a week. so far i have come across provisions such as waldorf/montessori, independent flexischools, or professional tutoring companies offering home educated.
there are some unschooling families but it seems to be the minority. home ed is WILDLY different in the uk to in the usa
the school system in england (i can’t speak for the rest of the uk as i am not as familiar with it) is broken, this is why home education is on the rise and probably why misinformation is being spread like wildfire. the majority of home educated families do so responsibly while having contact with local authorities. it’s very dangerous to assume home ed families are all inherently abusive. choosing to home ed requires much more time, money, effort than putting your kids in school. many of these kids have a good rapport with community workers who watch them interact with their parents (through council run groups at libraries/family hubs, religious leaders/volunteers ran at churches/mosques, tutors, staff at SEN non profits etc) so there are plenty of responsible adults who have access to these kids outside of school and can report safeguarding concerns.
so no, home education isn’t unregulated in this country and the children’s wellbeing bill is only placing further restrictions on home ed families (which i am against, as current legislation already protects vulnerable kids and ensures that those who aren’t sufficiently educated at home must be placed in school)
Repulsive-Lie1@reddit
Education is the responsibility of the local council, who are underfunded and overworked so I guess they’re just happy to have a kid off their books. Unless it becomes much more common central government won’t pass regulations about home schooling.
I_Like_Quiz@reddit
In my professional capacity I am regularly in contact with adults who were home-schooled. They are almost always very poorly adjusted to reality. Poor social skills especially, naivety about the world and really act much younger than they are.
Maybe they're happy with who they are, but I think the parents have failed them. Home schooling is, in most cases, for parents with massive egos who think they know better than the government. They don't, and they're irrepairably damaging their children's lives.
There are exceptions to the above, so don't come at me saying how great a job you did at homeschooling your kids, but in my professional experience, the above is the norm.
agradoway@reddit
It's a weird double standard where you can get fined for a few missed days, but pulling a kid out entirely faces almost no oversight. The lack of structure can really set kids up to fail in the long run.
Real_J_Jonah_Jameson@reddit
My partner was removed from homeschooling and if I'm honest she's smarter than me but it's a touchy system I do agree it's unregulated
ArtConsistent7943@reddit
In my experience there's two types of home school parents. The upper middle class with the capacity and skills to educate, and there's some cross over with the second category, control obsessed lunatics. Oh there's a third actually, parents who don't give a shit about education.
It takes some self belief to think you can do better than an entire system.
I have a lot of sympathy though for parents who need to take their kids out of school due to bullying
This-Disk1212@reddit
Having worked in the Youth Justice System and Children's Services I can assure you it's 100% unregulated and a means for the system to happily keep some kids out of schools under the educational remit of parents who have literally no ability to do so whatsoever (and often have little formal education themselves or had educational difficulties themselves for the same reasons eg neurodiversity) and who can't manage the children's complex behaviours.
BinaryTwin@reddit
Reading a lot of bad comments about home schooling. I was home schooled by my father. He ensured I was getting a decent education. He stuck too the national curriculum. I did my GCSE's at 16, then did college and university where I obtained a 1st class honours in software engineering.
It's not always a bad thing, but it totally depends on who is teaching you. My dad has always been mad on education, since his was so poor, he basically never stopped learning for decades.
Now I'm in my 40's, decent job, family, good mates.
Just wanted to give a decent story.
Would I teach my kids at home? No. I think school is overall a better environment for kids. Would I have turned out differently if I stayed in school? Maybe, who knows? Can't really complain too much with what I have. Would I have liked to stay in school? Probably in my teens, just to interact with more girls though.
MiddleBanana3@reddit
The thing that most people don't know is that home education is the default, you apply to go to school here.
I home-educated my son, who is severely autistic, as we were not given a choice. His experience in the school system is something he still has therapy for. He was non-verbal, so he had no idea what was happening.
We tried three schools before he was let go from the last one. They said he was a square peg in a round hole. I have practically begged for help at times and received nothing in return.
In a lot of cases, I know personally that families home-educated after a huge issue with the school system that they refused or couldn't fix. My son has had a full EHCP since starting school, and it did nothing to protect him.
bossnoeullove@reddit
It is so disheartening to see all the negative comments here. Id really suggest you look at Home Education (the correct term, not homeschooling) groups on FB. There you will find whilst the councils powers are in fact limited (as they should be!), all home educated children are required to have a full time education. Whilst the curriculum does not have to be followed, a lot of parents do, but everyone has to ensure their child is doing some form of literacy and numeracy. Mainstream education does not work for a lot of children and it is unfair to expect them to physically and mentally struggle just to add numbers to a sheet. When youre in mainstream education you are forced to endure a plethora of subjects that you may have zero interest in, zero skill for, or will not help you as you progress through life. Whereas whilst home educated you are able to study the things you know will help you. I home educated my 13 year old and 7 year old for the past year due to my 13 year old having chronic medical issues and being the brunt of rape "jokes" in her school (a catholic school that had zero cares about what was happening to her). During that time, my child was able to focus on physically and mentally healing, learning at her own pace. During that time she discovered a love for animal care and knows now that she wants to work in conservation. Because of this she already knows exactly what subjects she needs to tske extra care in. She has recently started back mainstream education in a new school so that I am able to go back to full time work, and at her latest parents evening all her teachers confirmed that home education had been the best choice for her and her current grades at B level (6) and they expect her to achieve 7s by her GCSE. Again with my 7 year old, she has excelled through home education and is doing extremely well now back in mainstream with no concerns or developmental delays. If it were not for the fact that home education as a single parent was not finicially feasible for me I would have continued to home educate. There is a whole plethora if children in the UK who are doifg exceedingly well through home education. Many who have taken their GCSEs early, many who are now in college or uni and doing incredibly well for themsleves. If you actually spend the time to look youll find there is statistically far more positive stories of home education rather than negative ones.
KillerQuine@reddit
In the UK education is the responsibility of the parent. This differs slightly depending on what part of the UK you are in for example in Scotland the relevant part of the education act states that it is the responsibility of the parent(s) to provide an education that is suitable for the age, aptitude and ability of the child, whether at school or by other means. With other means covering things like home education, private school or tutors.
Things like the national curriculum apply to schools as they provide a standardised means of educating children and quantifying that education so that the schools can demonstrate to parents that they are carrying out their devolved responsibility.
Fartpants16@reddit
I'll try to offer some perspective as someone who had a good experience being home educated, and whose family was heavily involved in the local home ed community and the government regarding home ed (to the point that I attended a select committee at the House of Commons).
The legal position of home education is something like this. The law requires that all children of school age receive a suitable full-time education (not necessarily to the national curriculum). Children can't be responsible themselves for this, and the responsibility to ensure an education falls on the parent(s), not the state. While organisations are often audited and have a responsibility to prove that they comply with regulations, this is not generally the case for individuals. Authorities need to have some kind of grounds for suspicion that a crime has been committed in order to investigate, and then they need to prove guilt rather than the individual prove innocence. As with any other crime, there are limits on the level of observation you can place on someone without infringing on their freedom and privacy.
A lot of the negativity towards home ed in these comments here is totally justified and correct, but it isn't the full story and home ed works exceptionally well for a lot of people. I'd be happy to answer any other questions about it if you have any
Beer-Milkshakes@reddit
We've considered home schooling as our boy didn't get on in the classroom. His ability is fine but he doesn't like being pushed into social circles.
We spied 8 hours a week of private tuition classes held at libraries etc in a class less than 9 students. We also found a forest class that walked the local nature reserve that parents must attend once a week and a toddler PE class held at the local cricket ground. We have since found out this is a very rare thing to do in home schooling- you know- to actually provide an education.
But since our boy had got along with his peers in the school very well and scores consistent 88% on his assessments going into Year 1
Crypto_gambler952@reddit
I home educate my 2 kids. I don’t think you would know if you met them; “they ain’t no hillbillies” 😂
To answer your question, there is absolutely no regulation at all, in action at least. The official regulation says that your child must receive an education appropriate to their aptitude, it makes zero demands about following curriculums or taking tests.
The whole point of home educating is to avoid following curriculums. I won’t bore you for too long but I’ll briefly explain how we work this for my 10 and 13 year old children.
We strictly enforce mathematics and English lessons, loosely following a curriculum, but we do have a structured plan with tests and progress reviews. We strongly encourage an interest in science, but instead of dictating scientific facts, we teach the scientific method and try to nurture a scientific interest in everything!
As for the other academic subjects, history geography, languages, etc we don’t follow set curriculums, but again encourage points of interest and approach everything with the scientific method!
As for non-academic subjects like music, art and crafts, drama, etc, they are completely optional to them. This really highlights how different they are; my son would likely give you a run for your money at a game of trivial pursuit, my 10 year old daughter would probably not, but she could prepare you a satisfactory bridal bouquet!
Beyond that the have three “curriculums” which we prepared ourselves that are not taught in school as explicit classes for life success, critical thinking and finance. They also learn how to run a home; cooking, cleaning, budgeting, planning, growing food, etc, and even a little DIY.
Socially they’re very well rounded, we don’t have any interaction with other home educated children, but we will be meeting about 10 home-educating families next month, I am very interested to see how they’re kids are fairing and the approach they’re taking.
A huge part of why we took on this huge responsibility, is that my wife has had the privilege to spend every day with our children, they are a product of us, raised by us, to our moral standards, they’re not raised by the state or by strangers, the are not overly influenced by their peers, I cannot describe how proud I am of them. I know that sounds “hippy” but I trust myself and my wife more than any stranger to give my kids the best one-on-one education, even though we are not professional teachers and it has forced us to be a single income family.
I’ve probably bored your socks already but I will answer any questions you have.
Electronic-Fennel828@reddit
Yes, it’s a problem. I work in education and you get it all the time. Kids coming out of home education that barely know how to read and write. Kids going into home education when they clearly shouldn’t be but not being able to do anything about it.
AirlineSevere7456@reddit
It is essentially unregulated. Though there might be visits to check on welfare.
justanoldwoman@reddit
I home educated, no regulation and no single way its done. I didn't do it for religious reasons - just bad local schools. There's a lot of good home-ed networks. Worked well for us - lots of time for sport and social activities. One got a doctorate, one stopped at A levels and the other is a year into their PhD. There are some horror stories in home ed but there's plenty in traditional education too.
canadian_crappler@reddit
The top comments are sadly negative anecdotes, so I want to try and answer you properly.
Home education is regulated because local authorities can issue a school attendance order if they don't believe enough education is taking place. The attitude of different local authorities differs a lot around the country.
In the UK home education is legally the default, and all parents have the same responsibility to ensure their child gets an education suitable to "age ability and aptitude". Most parents delegate that responsibility to schools.
It might surprise you but not following the national curriculum is true but a distraction. Private schools do not have to follow it either, nor do schools for those with special needs. However, most people and schools realise that if kids need to leave education with some GCSEs if they are capable of them. Yes there are exceptions to this (the horse girl in the top comment), but neglect like that is not the norm.
On the extreme beliefs, yes there are some home-schoolers with extreme beliefs but I don't think it's as high a share as in the US. That is part of freedom to be allowed to express and teach kids your beliefs. Home ed was strengthened in the UK after the second World War to prevent the state from imposing it's beliefs on our kids like Hitler did. It was specifically to allow parents to challenge mainstream beliefs because those mainstream beliefs could include eugenics and fascism.
It's not perfect, but it's also not the complete absence of responsibility and education that some people (who don't do it) like to think it is.
C0nnectionTerminat3d@reddit
I was a home educated kid.
It’s not as regulated (yet) as it should be imo, although they are in talks of changing that. I was never check on, my work was never assessed by the government and we were mostly left entirely alone after i was pulled out of public school when i was 12.
I don’t think what i experienced above was right. if i was being neglected or abused, i would’ve been stuck. Thankfully i wasn’t and i had a great education, but i feel for those out there who wasn’t living with the right people.
I will say, controversially, that i don’t think Home educated students should be forced to follow the national curriculum. What made HE so great for me is that i could learn what i wanted, when i wanted, how i wanted. It was tailored to me which is what ultimately made me excel in education. I’m doing as great as any adult is my age and i don’t think i would be if i had been forced to follow the national curriculum.
anabsentfriend@reddit
Did you every feel that you missed out on learning how to deal with the social aspect of life. Forming relationships or dealing with conflict with your peers?
C0nnectionTerminat3d@reddit
No because i wasn’t isolated. I went to clubs, group meet ups, special events and just spent extra time in general public life. I had peers, just not ones i would see every day in the same building for 25 hours a week.
TedBRandom@reddit
Oh man it makes me sad that I had to scroll so far to find someone that had a similar experience to me (and my friends).
People definitely get hung up on the National Curriculum and socialising but having worked in several offices for the past 10+ years and not once working with someone else HE, I really can't see what I missed out on, there's rarely been any vast chasm of difference in levels of knowledge or ability and when and what there has been is generally in my favour. I never applied myself much when I was younger but my parents were/are good teachers and we had a strong support network (of other HE families), my brother went to college, many of my friends went to Uni, but I didn't want to do any higher level education, managed to get a sales job with GCSE equivalents in Maths and English from City & Guilds.
I've now moved halfway round the country but haven't ever struggled to make friends, but I've seen plenty of people who went to school and did all the "normal" things who get stuck in a rut and can't make new friends, or don't know how to, or are stuck in a friend group they don't like, or just don't have many/any friends.
Yet everyone I know who Home Educated is doing great (anecdotal, I know), most of us are married now, some of us have kids (most of which are also being Home Educated, but not all).
Sorry, this all got a bit rambly but it just made me smile to see someone that actually understands :)
notanadultyadult@reddit
Can I ask what you do now? What career did you end up in?
C0nnectionTerminat3d@reddit
at the moment i work in a wildlife rehabilitation centre which is what i’ve wanted to do pretty much since i was 13/14 years old. I went to college to get level 2 and 3 Animal management and currently saving for uni to do Zoology with Herpetology.
notanadultyadult@reddit
That’s awesome. As an animal lover, I can imagine that’s tough work at times though.
himit@reddit
I think HE pupils should be meetingethe goals for the end of each keystage but not have to do it at the exact same pace as schools. Flexibility to tailor learning is an important benefit of homeschooling; does it matter how the topics are divided up & presented as long as the skills are still acquired by the right age?
C0nnectionTerminat3d@reddit
this i can agree with and is a great idea.
I think if the gov allowed free testing for home ed kids too it would encourage more parents to encourage their children to learn the subject matter. I know back when i was HE the tests were approx £100 each for gcse so some subjects were put off later than others to spread the payments.
PeachyPutz@reddit
My stepfathers ex wife didn’t bother signing my stepsister up for a high school last year, and said she would home school her.
She doesn’t have a job and sits at home all day long.
8 months into what’s supposed to be year 7 and she hasn’t taught her a single thing, my stepsisters social skills have completely tanked, she doesn’t have a single interest in anything except Roblox.
My stepdads (who is 70 and still working full time) attempts at getting her into a school and involving social services are met with excuse after excuse and we’re at a loss for what to do.
Headlight-Highlight@reddit
UK home ed is lightly regulated.
This has worked well for the native population, but some people of foreign cultures use it in a way that is not compatible with life in the UK.
Rather than address the specific issues it is being used by the authorities as an excuse to attack all home education.
bagsandbagsofbees@reddit
It's completely unregulated. I was homeschooled from ages 10 to 16 and I knew most of the other homeschool kids in the area. Your life trajectory was directly proportional to how much effort your parents could be bothered to put in.
I was one of the lucky ones, my dad paid for private tutors and signed me up for online schooling that had strict deadlines and check-ins, my mum negotiated to have me take my GCSEs privately and be able to sit them at local schools. I knew a kid who was pulled out of school to care for her five siblings, never got her GCSEs. Another kid has parents were 'unschoolers' who taught him nothing. He was 15 and had only just learned to write his own name.
The local council checked on me ONCE in six years. My other friends, who had never been in school at all, were never checked on. It's absolutely shocking.
Ok_Chipmunk_7066@reddit
My partner had to homeschool our eldest for a year, so I'll give you my tuppence worth. I won't go into details about the kids specific needs.
It is entirely unregulated. The council will send a couple of welfare checks, if both parents agree to homeschooling then there is nothing local government will do to stop it.
If one parent disagrees with homeschooling and gets CAFCASS and the courts invilved. The courts will always side with going back to school.
The homeschooling community is a mix bag of religious fanaticism and annoying middle class women who think she is better at teaching. It is almost always a woman.
There are a few Facebook groups and online communities to support this, however they are all led by 1 or 2 absolute units who you wouldn't trust boiling a kettle. They will shut down any conversation that isn't THEIR belief. And as soon as you mention a contention they will delete/soft block you as they know they can't be seen to advising.
Government help is a few PDFs, and you're on your own now.
Personally I wouldn't recommend it, it requires a full time parent to be available. Iez can't really have a job.
Yes, our kid learnt more in 8 months of homeschooling, he went back to school ahead of his peers, but it makes weird maladjusted kids as they can't really socialise with kids their own age.
His dad opposed it to be difficult.
Useful-Risk-4340@reddit
UK homeschoolers outperform state-educated kids. I knew this thread would be full of tales of kooky parents, neglected kids and unemployable adults. These threads always go the same way. New regs mean such rare cases will be flagged and handled better.
I think we're immensely lucky to have educational freedom in the UK. I was not homeschooled but I want my own children to be educated at home. I think it's important kids choose their own teachers/mentors and 'flow'. Personally, the enforcement of state-approved education gives me the absolute heebie jeebies (for all sorts of reasons) and the whole concept of a physical school archaic. Much of what is taught is actually not important (does it really matter if they know who was king or what people ate in 1800 etc) and most don't retain such stuff anyway. This has been confirmed.
But Brits are generally fearful, conformist and content with mediocrity so considering how much freedom there is most never capitalise on it and strive for something better. Think of what could be organised with a little effort. Organising with others solves the issue of supervision, considering many parents need to work these days. In the UK, anyone can set up a school. I don't know why more teachers don't do it - most hate the state curriculum and the school environment too.
UK education has always been prone to fads. It surprises people, but very little is actually evidence based. Not that UK parents would bother to do something as simple as researching why or what is (or is not) being taught, relect and form their own opinion. That they should be responsible for their children's education is unfathomable to them. It's a non-starter. Many primary school kids begin school in nappies because their parents couldn't be bothered to potty train them and fully expect teachers to sort it out. And later on, at best, when GCSE comes around they pay £££ to a tutor forcing their children to cram for tests in a desperate bid to make up for the many years of shit education they have been receiving and pray the kids don't flunk. Which 40% do (!)
And what else? UK kids are the unhappiest in the world. That alone should be enough to consider an alternative way. Better for the few parents that do care somewhat too - they burden themselves financially in order to obtain a house in the catchment area of a "good" school because so many schools underperform and the student body is rough as fuck. Can be the stabby kind of rough too... how lovely.
Contrary to what you say OP, Britain has many, many religious nuts so it is surprising how much of a non-issue homeschooling has been here. I should also add the majority of the population is state school educated but the adult reading age is just 9 in the UK. On paper, Brits are "educated" but only on paper. I doubt many of the neglected kids are less educated than a huge percentage of the populace. And as I said, in terms of qualifications, they can sit and resit exams like anyone else and almost half of mainstream state educated kids do. That's not down to the UK having amazingly high educational standards where tests are tough...
A few years with a decent tutor would can do more than decades of UK schooling. And British kids could actually enjoy the few, rare sunny days we have; school days needn't be 6-7 hours long anymore. More can be achieved in less time. A more happy, balanced life.
The reason why foreigners often have superior English language skills is because they are actually taught to them. I was taught basic grammar in Reception class, Y1 and Y2 (aged 4-7) The fashion/fad at the time being that kids would then 'pick up' further understanding by osmosis. I am not joking. That went as well as expected haha. I mean, just look at how appalling my writing is... Teachers didn't correct work or provide any commentary (grammar, argument etc), they simply 'ticked' the bottom of the page to indicate a 'pass'. Literally no feedback, ever.
I am 100% committed to providing a stress-free and safe at-home learning environment with qualified webcam tutors. I know many lovely retired teachers who do this for a few hours a week. A wonderful relationship can blossom :)
Oh, and the socialistion argument has always amused me too considering how much bullying there is in UK schools. And unless your child literally never goes out they are "socialised". Regardless, it's sad to me how kids are made to do things they don't want to and interact with people they don't wish to from 4 to 18. Many kids go to nursery too. So, basically 2 decades, all day doing something they may hate and with people they hate. It's a bloody long time and all of their precious childhood. It's cruel. Adults have agency, they can change jobs/environment. Why aren't kids afforded the same? I think, one day, we will look back on schools and think how strange they were.
I am not close minded, but today I am not interested in a debate. Thanks for reading.
Western_Sort501@reddit
The government brought in the children's wellbeing and school bill to tighten up home education after some high profile child neglect cases though I ok know alot of home educator weren't happy about it.
I know one family where they mother is a qualified primary school teacher and her children do seem to be getting a good education. Most people I know that home educate because they have pulled their kids out of mainstream as school wasn't supporting their kids SEN usually ASD/ADHD and their aren't enough SEN school places especially for children at the milder end of the spectrum. I'm sure they parents are doing their best but it is more like they have been forced into rather than planning to do it.
Kaasuti666@reddit
My two children are home educated and have been since they were born. Both are very bright and very sociable kids, one loves animals and art and the other loves anything to do with cars and electronics. Home ed is extremely beneficial if done correctly.
I was at school all my life and came away a shell of a person from all the bullying and my clear autism being ignored for all that time. Now I can't work because of the damage this caused. Schools need improvement.
PotatoOld9579@reddit
My ex was homeschooled… although he was pretty clever in other things, when it came to basic knowledge, he knew nothing… his spelling, writing, and maths skills were very below average. I understand homeschooling if they get a proper tutor to teach them English and maths, but I don’t believe the average person is good enough to teach a child the main subjects.
Rabbit-1989@reddit
It is a real and increasingly common problem. I'm a teacher and have seen it grow in recent years. Just mostly disgruntled parents or the odd parent who genuinely doesn't GAF and can't be arsed bringing their kid to school every day. The most dangerous issue is the parents who are being brought to the attention of child services and then suddenly those parents don't want to deal with that, so they choose to homeschool to get the school off their back. We had a 12yo girl who were being "home schooled" and was advertising her babysitting services in the local village with availability Mon-Fri 9-5. Her brothers would just rot at home all day playing video games or ride their bikes at the park. It's terrible.
PressureBeautiful515@reddit
But this just makes me think of the fact that we're all homeschooled until the age of 5, and so much can happen during that time that affects a kid's chances. My mum had already taught me to read and do arithmetic before I went to school, while other kids are literally used as ashtrays by their "parents".
Ultimately this has little to do with any well-defined idea of "proper" education (which I think is a somewhat pseudoscientific area.) It's about neglectful parenting, and school as surrogate parenting.
falx-sn@reddit
Or, see it as a chance for intervention
janesy24@reddit
My wife is a private tutor and has a number of home schooled children during the daytime. They are all at least two to three years behind their peers. Some of them do have disabilities but they are all way behind where they should be. She teaches year 6’s what year 3’s learn.
rainbow-songbird@reddit
I disagree with the education system at the moment feeling it doesn't set children up with the skills to actually succeed in life ( home management, financial skills ect.) And I liket the appeal of being able to tailor the lessons to their interests. This thread has given me a massive slice of humble pie and I will send them to mainstream school.
Tricurio@reddit
Hello. If you want to know about regulation of Home Education, try the government guidelines on the gov.uk website. You might also be interested in websites such as Education Otherwise. There's a useful facebook group / page called Home Education For All which has a group for people considering home education. You can look at your local authority's webpage too although, be warned, mine describes the Elective Home Education team as Services to Home Educators, which they are not. Their remit is to find children missing education. This will probably sound like nitpicking but there are many reasons why this is wrong.
Home School is something different to Home Education, both in law and in practice and it is a vital distinction. Please do not interfere with other people's lives until at least you've educated yourself to a point where you've gone beyond your own personal views and can set them in a wider context.
The right to home educate is enshrined in the Education Act which words it something like 'parents shall cause the child to be educated in school OR OTHERWISE'. This part was not made clear until case law established it in the late 1970s or early 80s. You can feel free to google it yourself. My family has used the school system and also home educated at various times over the last 20 years and what wastes my time more than anything is people interfering. People have had their children removed from their care for this. The way some of you talk about the care system like it is a solution shows me you have no experience. I am sorry to be so blunt but all the information is out there should you care to inform yourself on what home ed is, and isn't.
If you have met one home educator...you've met one home educator.
One of the benefits of HE is that young people can get to participate in the real world on their own terms. Not every experience needs to be filtered through school or parents. Obviously this doesn't negate the need for robust safeguarding. But in the case of OP I hope you can deschool yourself and be the friend you want to be. Your role can be to support the child and family, not refer them for help because you don't approve of the learning style. You don't know what led to the child being deregistered from school and in many cases there is a long ongoing situation caused by the school setting. Not every child thrives in school, even good schools. I note the child started being a problem on social media, at school. Yet you seem to blame HE. I also want to point out that some children, and adults, use smartphones to regulate their own function.
Please, will you all take time to think about why you think school would have better served any of the people you know that HE?
Also, look up Ed Yourself blog about how the new bill going through the HoL is going to affect us. I appreciate many of you care but this approach is not helpful at best, and all too often it is actively harmful.
iamdecal@reddit
Yes, Pretty much.
We homeschool four kids, at the start we would get occasional visits from the local council, but somepoint during “austerity” that persons budget got cut so we never heard from them again.
My oldest two (26, 23 ) have good careers - one works at a school, so he clearly understood lesson on the importance of rebellion :-) the other two are currently at college.
So, works out alright if you do it right , of the other families we know - mostly all doing okay too.
There’s plenty of kids who are not homeschooled, who just… don’t go to school.
g_force76@reddit
Home schooling can be used/abused as a way to get out of school attendance issues. If your child misses a certain amount of school then local authority will get involved. Ultimate sanctions can involve fines and prosecution.
At a certain point you can simply opt for home schooling, which completely releases you from this. I have personal experience of this being used as a tactic to avoid prosecution.
It is absurd that our system allows home schooling with so little oversight.
Embarrassed_Park2212@reddit
I home schooled my daughter. When I did this some 15 years ago, I had to send statements every 3 months to the LEA (Local Education Authority for those that don't know). Aside from that there are no other checks. Parents not teaching their kids is wrong, absolutely, but not every parent that home schools doesn't teach. Also it shouldn't be regulated, that's what schools are for.
There are also various reason to why a child might be home schooled. How you go about home education is between you and your child and nobody else.
Just to add, my daughter functions perfectly, isn't socially backward and thrived being home educated. She can speak Japanese, has GCSEs and is currently in her 4th year at university (going on to do her masters degree).
(She was also quite ill at 18 years old that accounts for the gap between GCSEs and starting university)
notjustatheory@reddit
It's not unregulated, we have to keep records of what our child is learning. And I mean learning, not just being taught. We have to do a report to show what he is learning.
Our eldest has SEN and he wasn't able to get the extra support he needed in a mainstream school.
We're not religious, or anti-establishment, or flat earthers, or anything like that - we're just doing what seems like the best we can do for our son because he can't get support anywhere else.
My wife is a qualified teacher and has now become (not really by choice as my sole income is abysmal, luckily our mortgage is quite small) a stay at home mum.
We don't just 'school-at-home' - i.e. a set timetable, sat at a desk for hours - we try to incorporate lessons and skills into activities. But we do try to follow what would be in the curriculum for his age/year.
If he gets an interest in something we also try and do what we can for him to learn more - e.g. the Stone Age... he got to go and knapp his own flint knife-blades and arrow-heads, and make a knife and arrow with them.
And there were so many parts of that that he needed to understand things like maths (angles, measurments), physics (temperature and melting points, states of matter, forces), geology (types and hardness of different rock types), biology (anatomy, botany).
As well as the physical skills of actually making something with his hands.
falx-sn@reddit
Seems to be different depending on where you are living. My sister in law doesn't have to do a report. The eldest is now aged out of education with no GCSEs and didn't go for the tests. The two younger children are going to have even less education.
Weary_Context7237@reddit
I was home educated 13-16. I was being horrifically bullied. No one checked visited nothing… I did nothing for 3 years before myself cramming revising for 6 GCSE’s in 6 months to be taken at a learning centre.. went to college at 16, got 4 As a A level and then a 2.1 from Warwick. This was 20 years ago now and I’m amazed it hasn’t improved much but, had I stayed in school I would’ve ended up killing myself .. so I ask you, which is worse?
falx-sn@reddit
No one's saying it shouldn't be allowed but there should be checks. My nephews were taken out during COVID because the parents felt it was too stressful to get them into school on time and the eldest unlike you has 0 GCSEs now and no prospects.
PomegranateEither768@reddit
Home education is not home school. Home schooling refers to a child who is still registered at school but having work sent home for whatever reason as they can't attend in person. Home Education is when you deregister and take on the role yourself.
You're right, we don't have to follow a curriculum. However when the LA do their enquiries we have to evidence a full time education that is appropriate to their age and ability. Literacy and numeracy are the most important subjects, but they also like to ensure we are teaching a wide range of other subjects too. I do a semi-structured approach, we do cover all subjects in the national curriculum but its not done sat at a desk. There are worksheets, CGP books, lots of library books etc but there is also a lot of free-range learning and life skills. If the LA is not satisfied that we are providing a proper education to our child(ren) they can and do go to court for school attendance orders.
For many of us, our children are SEND kids, and weren't able to properly learn at school because their needs weren't being met in a way we can do at home, so home educating actually provides them a better education that is more in line with their abilities. I never wanted to Home Ed, I felt that it wasnt a proper education and school was always the best way but i had no other option because my children were struggling with their attendance so badly. They have thrived since I deregistered, because they're finally working at a level suited to them, in an environment that works for them, not against them. It was a huge eye opener.
Ineedalife10169@reddit
Since a lot of people are sharing negatives I thought would share some hope! My friend was homeschooled then went to Oxford university- she is also one of the kindest people I know who truly knows a lot and wants to learn. It can work but you need parents/careers who truly know what they’re doing and care
I went to state school so have no experience of it but do wish schools allow children to explore more of their curiosity/weren’t so rigorous on rules that aren’t needed
Dry-Ad3111@reddit
My sister started being homeschooled in year 8 when she fell ill. The high school she previously attended provided at-home tutors but it was only for maths, English, and science and only 2-3 hours per week. She still mourns the teen years she never had through being so ill for so long…
P0rk1n5@reddit
From experience, most home school kids are usually parented by non-conformist/anti-establishment types, who don’t work and have experienced their own challenges growing up within the education system.
Unfortunately, most of these parents don’t realise that standards have changed and schools are much more accommodating for previously misunderstood behavioural and medical needs. They assume their children will experience the same stigma/bullying/lack of help they did.
I’m not disputing that there aren’t any bad schools in the UK or that all home schooled kids are worse off but if it genuinely offered our children better opportunities, then surely everyone would be doing it.
Hopeful_Incident_238@reddit
My MIL couldn't be bothered with the 30 min drive to school so my wife's youger siblings stopped turning up by primary 7. Those kids never even got to high school. The council never checked. Social work didnt intervene much. She claims they're too autistic to leave the house now managed to get them full disability benefit and she claims all of it for herself (they're nearly 18 now and she wont open a bank account for them). MIL has always been a control freak, we haven't spoken to her in a decade.
Psittacula2@reddit
Note, “home education” is not SCHOOL. A big reason a lot of people opt for home education is a very wide range of reasons but which a big common cause is the problems “School as Institution” FAILS in certain measures some students or is a bad fit for other reasons or they prefer a curation not a standardization.
The law is fundamentally:
Parents ”duty of care“ of their children
As part of the above, “duty to PROVISION education”
From the above 3 basic categories of options exists:
* Home Education - ie private tutorship (GROWING in modern world due to tech, comms resources)
* Private Schooling - Many diverse and different categories
* Public/State Schooling - Standardized deliver eg “9k per student in a 20-30 classroom for secondary eg“ National Curriculum for scaling across schools and bureaucracy necessity not always the best curation of academic information but suitable and cumulative Key Stage and Levels.
You can see the OP FRAMES the reality misleadingly given the derivation of options from law.
In practice, most parents prefer to DELEGATE their childrens’ education due to time constraints due to jobs and also specialism offered by state schools in teaching delivery but by no means is this universally superior - it is what the government can budget JUST and schools often have many inadequacies or the students in schools often look apathetic albeit routine, social interaction can be beneficial asides. Eg classrooms are too many students per teacher but that budgetting and logistics ie costs reasons not learning optimization reasons.
One area the OP emphasis is correct is safe-guarding of children in a society where people do not self-regulate in communities but live more atomized lives, then some form of checking in is helpful here.
A lot of comments here are performative, the State is not a good fit as primary care giver of children which is the inveigled assumption behind the comments except in some rare and very unfortunate cases which then lead to foster outcomes and those are very difficult. There is a good reason home education is part of the above legal derivation and not the opposite way around ultimately even if some parents end up not doing a particularly good job of education while yet others do a better job...
venys001@reddit
I wonder if OP is from the DofE media team spreading propaganda about home education again?
There are quite a few assumptions and attribution biases in this thread. The reality about education is complex but I will try and outline in one place here.
The education system for many children has collapsed. The people who home educate from the outset struggled at school themselves, so don't want the same for their children. The occasional parent does it because their child is not challenged enough at school so they can do more at home. Some do it for religious reasons and a significant portion do it because the education system does not meet their needs.
Barriers to accessing suitable full time state funded education include: - Local Authorities up and down the country make unlawful decisions systemically and repeatedly in order to cut costs, particularly for children with EHCPs. - regulations of these decisions are fragmented, expensive, not guaranteed to work and have long waiting times of over a year. . Parents either have to go to SENDiST for failure to assess, failure to issue EHCP, content of some parts of the EHCP. The burden of proof is on them, so they could spend tens of thousands on evidence and witnesses and not get that money back. LAs spend an awful lot of money on barristers defending their decisions and not on the children themselves! - maladministration is similar , with the LGO only looking at 20% of complaints submitted. Cases are taking over a year to investigate and awards of fault by the LAs are token amounts, not really full compensation of the true cost of the injustice.
some elements of getting access to education like home to school transport and personal budgets actually take judicial review to get your child the help they need. This is tens of thousands of pounds and no guarantee this will work. JR is also used for schools and LAs who simply refuse to follow the EHCP or follow the SENDIST tribunal. This happens a lot. Bullying is rife in schools, and not being addressed too, which is a reason for parents to pull their child out of school. For many, it's not just a case of try a different school. Many families simply don't have a true choice like outsiders believe.
things like dyslexia come out of a school's budget so they are inclined to maybe screen but won't do a full assessment. This disability is complex, but almost 100% of the time, a parent would have to pay privately. Then pay privately again for specialist tuition. This is again tens of thousands of pounds.
if your child’s needs aren't being met through all this, and child starts not wanting to go to school, parents are threatened with fines as though it is their fault.
for specialist medical input, the government is not funding things like therapies properly. Speech and Language therapy has been in extremely short supply for a very long time. They might get paid enough for assessments and not enough for actual therapy. The local authorities are responsible for commissioning these services and will only commission them for children attending mainstream school. Home educated children, especially those with no ehcps, can not access this help. Even for those with EHCPs this is a gamble as to whether it will he provided as you are at the mercy of the Local Authority. They do not have the child's wellbeing at heart. The therapy is actually an outdated, restricted model of child development. It is little wonder no progress is made .
the whole of the education department is being informed by an ill-informed medical workforce. I was even telling a paediatrician yesterday about a condition that affects cognition, in which there are a few clinics in the UK, and they had never heard of it (trained in the 80s). But this is an example of how badly trained most mainstream medics are here. There is pretty much no NHS treatment for things like auditory processing disorder, or eye tracking issues. Both needed to be able to read, write and spell. ADHD medications is another one very difficult to get assessed, medications titration etc on the NHS.
So let's go back to oversight: do you agree that a system that is failing our kids and families so badly, should be given carte blanche to decide what is considered a full time suitable education for a child when meeting them once a year for 5 minutes? Who is to say that history or French is suitable for child with learning disabilities? Or how long they should be sitting at a desk for when they need to move? For the case of the child that is at the stables all day, how do you really know they don't have SEND? Many of these things are invisible, even to the "experts". Home educating parents know to look for learning in the every day, so running a stable is one of them. The child is socialising with other people, learning to look after another being, learning maths by working out ratios in the feed, geometry in dressage, measurement in between the show jumps, how high the horse is, volume of shavings for the stable. These days spelling might not be the aim as there is auto correct. This child actually sounds they are doing well under the circumstances.
If anyone does suspect neglect, then people can contact their LAs MASH team and they are obliged to investigate.
In my experience, parents who are home educating their children go above and beyond people who are paid to do their job to give their child educational and enriching experiences. For those complaining that their parent did not provide this, this might be a one-sided story. A lot has to do with the child's willingness and ability to do the work. If you had the capacity to do more, but chose to play Minecraft all day, then a lot of that is on you.
At the end of the day, parents who are home educating are having to be educator, TA, LSA, school dinner lady, admin team bus driver, solicitor, barrister, gp, specialist neurologist, nutritionist, therapist. With no break and no pay. It's time to STOP the parent bashing and get on board with changing the systems and culture of child care within the UK. Some parents call it protective home education and are shielding the kids from an abusive system. They can only do so much with the limited resources they have.
RevolutionaryHeat318@reddit
My niece was homeschooled for several years. She did nothing related to the national curriculum. Fortunately she was already able to read and quite creative so she did read a lot and spent time crafting. Neither parent made any effort to provide an education.
Dr-dog-dick@reddit
So for England, each local authority has a 'team' that is responsible for marking children as being Elective Home Educated (EHE) as well as children missing from education (CME). In my local authority that consists of 1 person in each role.
The EHE officer is responsible for ensuring that parents are capable of delivering an education to their child. It doesn’t have to be the national curriculum, but just some sort of plan.
But in reality, there are too many children who are EHE, so checks are only done on those who are being removed from school and the teachers are concerned for the child.
We now don't allow EHE for any children on CP plans as parents were just using it as a way to avoid the child being seen.
arabidopsis@reddit
No.
They still have to take the same exams which are all against a curriculum set by the government.
Homeschool just means your parents teach you this curriculum, but to progress anywhere in life you need to get your GCSEs, A-levels etc.
SamVimesBootTheory@reddit
I technically homeschooled for the last year of secondary.
Basically in my case I'd went to a private church school that ran a curriculum called Accelerated Christian Education and long story short going to that school wasn't the best move and I left with the aim to finish this curriculum at home and tbh I kind of gave up after a couple of months and yeah no one ever checked up on us during this time so for like that last academic year I didn't really do anything.
I do feel my education suffered though, not just that last year this entire system I was on is just... really bad. It's outdated (I was doing social studies/history workbooks that thought the USSR existed still), generally lacking you learned nothing in depth and then you throw in the religious propaganda angle especially in the 'science' workbooks
I did then go to a mainstream college the next year on an intro BTEC course., I had also mostly gone to a mainstream primary school but did like hop into that school for a term or two bc my elder brother went to that school for a while.
Super_Ground9690@reddit
A girl was taken out of my son’s class to homeschool at the end of last year, I don’t know the family well but the mum said she thought school was too rigid and didn’t give them enough freedom to express themselves. Which is probably true. But she said this in a long, rambling, poorly written message to the class group chat and all I could think was if you don’t know the difference between ‘there’ and ‘their’, you probably shouldn’t be in sole charge of a child’s education.
thomhollyer@reddit
Yep, and so many of the responses here make me livid. It seems the vast majority of people who take their kids out of school are completely unsuited to do so, and so it gives people like me, who would also like to home school my future children, a bad rap.
I have a masters degree and consider myself reasonably knowledgeable on most subjects. I'd make sure my children got a broad education across a curriculum, were in social clubs or activities to get them some socialisation, and wouldn't even consider homeschooling if I didn't think I could help them become smart, qualified, emotionally resilient young adults. It boggles the mind to think that others don't seem to take the same consideration.
TheWolfsMoon133@reddit
someone I know was home schooled and went on to do a biology PhD I remember her parents would take her and her brother on educational trips all the time. Sounded awesome
shiny_director@reddit
I homeschooled my daughter for a term as we were bridging between a private school and a state school and they could not take her for a term. My wife was going through cancer treatment at the time (she was useless for the schooling, but she came through it and is fine until this day- 12 years later) so it was all on me in addition to my full time job. There were so many resources available, between BBC videos online and other dedicated homeschooling programs for no cost, I’m convinced one could educate their child properly if they had the time. I didn’t. Fortunately, my daughter was clever enough to make up for my failures and went on to a stellar academic career. But if a parent cares enough to provide their child with a ‘standard’ education and has the time to do it, they could. The ‘standards’ are defined enough in the UK that it is totally possible. But the ‘educator’ has to buy into the standards to make it work.
Longjumping_Car3318@reddit
100%, it's definitely possible - my parents proved that (and there's eight of us!).
I'm glad your wife is okay :)
Representative-Ear26@reddit
Absolutely! The resources available are incredible I home educate three children of different ages, all SEN and don't pay for many of our resources. So glad your wife is going okay. 🙏
nineteenthly@reddit
It's more regulated than it used to be. In 2009-10, we had a major battle with the government which stopped them from interfering with what we were doing, and we won. However, it's probably more to do with the nature of the legal system in Scotland and England/Wales than that. Most US states are more regulated than we are. We don't have a civil code or a written constitution here and a lot is based on common law, and if you look at other areas such as the law around personal names, there's a general tendency for things to be established through precedent and not written down formally in a concerted way.
Incidentally, I don't know how things are today, but most people in the home ed community wouldn't call it "homeschooling" here, probably because that sounds like school at home, and that's not how most families approach it.
helloperoxide@reddit
Yep. My sister took my nephew out in year 2. Did barely anything with him until I suggested going to college when he turned 16. He’s thriving there
millimolli14@reddit
It’s not regulated at all, we had to homeschool one of ours due to extreme bullying and no help from the school, one check from a teacher in 18 months! She didn’t even come in the house, totally left to figure it out ourselves, we didn’t de register so at least the school have to pay for the exams. We had online tutors and tutoring sessions one on one twice weekly. Sadly we know loads of kids her age that are being ‘ homeschooled’ they can barely read, they just go out everyday and see friends or stay in bed and sleep, nobody checks on them
ASpookyBitch@reddit
Honestly, I think if you’re going to homeschool the kids should have to sit the same tests as schooled kids. If you as a parent are failing at getting them to meet the educational standards then they should HAVE to go back into school.
Longjumping_Car3318@reddit
I'm one of eight children; we were all home educated up to but not including GCSEs, which we went to college for.
The lack of regulation is a huge draw for many parents. We were some of the lucky ones whose parents genuinely cared about our education; we've all ended up excelling academically and with good jobs. Unfortunately a) that's not true of most HE parents, and b) we had ZERO socialisation with anyone outside our family. According to my parents "they breed all the friends they need" (puke).
So yeah. Personally I think HEing can work for some people, and initially my parents had noble intentions (I was HEed first due to severe health problems which the school was not managing). But it's so easy to end up isolated and "the weird one" if you ever do go back into mainstream education.
If I ever adopt I won't be HEing.
CynicalRecidivist@reddit
I agree. And with the amount of teachers leaving the profession, and the increasing numbers of school refusers - there is a perfect opportunity to have on-line classes provided by the Government, where teachers have an on-line classroom comprising of a number of kids and treat them like a real classroom, and use distance learning. So kids who want to participate in the GCSE programme can do it, but from home.
My child was ostracised at school by her peers, and she had a really tough time going to school. She HATED it. She wasn't disruptive, she just was alone (think hiding in the toilets during dinner because she had no-one to sit with). Everyday she had to go in, she was nervous and I could feel her tension every single morning. School was hell for her, and if there was an on-line, parallel track, I would have taken it in a heartbeat.
There are loads of kids out there who are bullied, or just don't fit in and refuse school - but would be quite happy with on-line stuff. I was so worried about my daughters nerves (think head down, no speaking, face mask in place even after covid) that I told her "if you find it too much to go in, just tell me and I'll stop you going in and I'll take the fine" because I was genuinely worried about her killing herself, her nerves were that bad. I'd rather have a kid with no GCSE's than a dead kid, which was what I thought I could be dealing with.
College got better for her, but even there she said her classmates just wanted to go to the park to smoke weed during dinner hour, and steal from Primark rather than work hard - my daughter was present when her classmates were caught shoplifting and she was traumatised at having to deal with an angry store guard - when my daughter had no idea the group she was with her shoplifting. She immediately stopped hanging out with them - but again, she was alone. So although she should have been in training or higher education until aged 18 I pulled her out at 17.
At 16 my daughter got a job in a local community centre and she blossomed in the role. She handled finances, emails to chase up invoices, helped with reception, dementia groups, youth groups, craft groups. She worked with the local council and literally changed personality and became much more confident. I would walk around our local town and she was chatting to random people who I didn't know and she would say "oh they were at the centre and I showed them where the Rovers Room was and helped them set up" etc. Her self-respect and happiness went through the roof, so I told her to forget going on a college course and just work full time until she knew what she wanted to do. So my child was working full time from 17. And it was the best decision for her, she found working full time at the centre much better than sitting in a classroom with people who were stoned.
So while I agree with OP that parents who want to pull their kids out of school to brain-wash their world view and don't appreciate the importance of education display poor parenting. There are some parents who pull their kids due to bullying or poor mental health on behalf of the kids, and those parents would greatly benefit from a centralised on-line educational system - which could easily be staffed by the teachers who we are losing from the profession because classrooms can be like war zones. Some kids really want to learn, but cannot tolerate school.
J0intAccount@reddit
I have a neighbour who home schools 1 of her 2 children.
I'm not quite sure on the specifics as to why and it's my only real exposure as an adult to home schooling but from what I can tell she really goes out of her way to educate her 11-year old girls. Lovely family as well.
GlumAd9856@reddit
If you set rules then someone has to enforce them.
And no one, not local councils, police or the department of education want to start checking up on the communities that opt out of our schooling system.
ZydrateAnatomic@reddit (OP)
Why not though? There could be children who are taught evolution never existed or something.
Royal_Community_9626@reddit
Most religious people in this country don’t believe in evolution. Do you think all the Christian/Jewish/Muslim scientists, doctors, teachers are all stupid?
Royal_Community_9626@reddit
There was people in my alevel biology classes who were religious (catholic and muslim) who believed evolution don’t occur. It was an international school though so they had been taught mostly abroad.
takhana@reddit
That doesn't worry as much as kids being abused or in servitude because their parents can get away with it.
pajamakitten@reddit
I suspect there is a decent overlap between such kids though.
Designer-Lobster-757@reddit
You mean the.... theory of evolution?
ZydrateAnatomic@reddit (OP)
There are some people who keep their children home in order not to expose them to the theory of evolution. To be fair, this is more common in the USA, but it could happen in the UK given the lack of regulation.
PapaJrer@reddit
School is opt in, so, technically, home educators aren't opting out.
BigFloofRabbit@reddit
What kind of communities?
I ask this as a white British male who had my education wrecked by being put into home education by my parents
quartersessions@reddit
Schools don't have to follow a national curriculum either, so I'm not sure why we'd expect home schooling to do so. The national curriculum in England only dates back 40 years - and is really only for local authority maintained schools, although others can follow it to a greater or lesser degree as they choose.
PressureBeautiful515@reddit
Interesting. I think most of us assume that the National Curriculum is set up based on some intensive research to discover the structure of learning that most benefits people in later life etc. but in fact it's just guesswork. Education is a bit like medicine was 200 years ago. No one has done an experiment where they split a class in half and teach the two halves a different curriculum to see which one leads to the best life outcomes, as whichever group fared worst would (naturally) feel pretty aggrieved. But as a result we are basically flying blind. Everyone could be on the worst curriculum right now for all we know.
IveGotRedHair@reddit
I was home educated, never been in school at all and I loved it. We were entirely unregulated and didn’t follow the national curriculum but we did other things. There isn’t a museum in London I haven’t been in, we had a big group of friends and we’d go around people parents as they shared what they knew. I didn’t take any exams but I have friends that did and went on to university. I imagine it’s probably different now to how it was then but I would change any of it for the world.
TheParanoidUnicorn@reddit
From my personal experience of being homeschooled in the UK: Yes, it is very unregulated.
(Or at least it was in the 00s and 10s)
The only supervision was a man who came over once a year to check on things. My mother would prep us for these visits and we'd spend a couple weeks before padding out how much work it looked like we were doing.
If I were to recommend changes it would be:
1) Make these visits random
2) Enforce the teaching of core subjects
(Maths was my favourite subject before I was homeschooled and I was great at it. But my mother didn't think STEM was for girls so wouldn't teach it to us. I was lucky because my college afterwards allowed me to study it for a year and I caught up fast and got a C-grade GCSE. But I do wonder what could have been.)
3) Get Social Services WAY more involved! At least have a section where the guy visiting can speak to the child alone and ask them the tough questions about their general care.
When my parents pulled me out of school, I lost a major source of 'trusted adults' I could have told about my homelife. The school was already suspicious, but after my parents pulled me and my sister out, there was nobody there to spot the red flags, and things got much, much worse as we were far, far more isolated.
I don't think homeschooling is inheritly wrong it just means that the quality of the parents have a much bigger impact on a childhood.
Other homeschoolers I know have very different stories:
More regulation would make it less less vunrable to bad parenting (whether well intentioned parenting flaws, or straight up abuse cover-up).
Material_Machine822@reddit
Maybe I am naiive...wasn't sure it was possible over here...or maybe its unpopular. Thought it was an American thing.
PolarLocalCallingSvc@reddit
It's very unpopular here.
You somewhat question the motives of somebody, presumably not a qualified teacher, taking their child out of school to home school them.
ArcticAmoeba56@reddit
Why do we question the motives though? Are we really under the illusion that our education system is that good that there are few plausible reasons to favour homeschool?
I do think it needs guidance and regulation to at least provide framework, or broad curricula to ensure some key skills dont get neglected.
What is the purpose of our school system anyway? To prepare the children for adult life? For employment? To be functioning citizens? Is it achieving that? Is it still fit for purpose?
Needs a bloody good overhaul imo
pajamakitten@reddit
There has been a big rise in the number of SEND children being home-schooled because schools cannot provide for them.
Wonderful-Cow-9664@reddit
Over here it’s very much a “mumsnet” demographic kind of thing
“Oh my Persephone is far too precious to be in some germ infested, common institution with the children of people on benefits”
ZydrateAnatomic@reddit (OP)
Is it a class thing? Is it rich parents who are doing this? I am also trying to picture who the people doing this actually are.
Representative-Ear26@reddit
Totally a varied thing. In our local group we have a couple of well off world schoolers - they literally educate their kids by travelling the world with them, very cool, I would love to have the finances to do that- their kids are so clever and have picked up amazing social skills.
A fair few hippy types.
Mostly SEN parents.
Polar-Snow@reddit
From what I read online like social media, Reddit etc quite lot of homeschooling kids is kids can’t cope with mainstream like autistic kids, mental health kids, high anxiety kids, ADHD kids, etc. Lot of time parents have no choice but homeschool them since there no suitable place for them or council refused put them in specific school that can help them with their needs.
Other common reason is their kid got bullied so badly and school is useless stopping it and allow bully walk away free and unpunished and continue bully that kid. To save their kid suffering worse they take their kid out of school.
So basically some are force to homeschool kids because mainstream school failed them.
CalligrapherExtreme8@reddit
Definitely not. We did it because the institution of school did not fit us at all; we were on the lowest end of the income scale and most of the home ed families we mixed with weren't much better off.
heartpassenger@reddit
It’s mostly religious, not rich. Not a class thing at all. Middle and upper class people send their kids to private schools. A lot of religious people home school so their kids don’t learn about creationism.
Wonderful-Cow-9664@reddit
Rich parents tend to pay for their child’s education if they don’t want them at the local secondary school. It’s not common to homeschool, but it happens
Queen_of_London@reddit
It is possible and legal. My daughter wasn't homeschooled, but we spent much of her childhood at a city farm where some of the other kids were homeschooled. I've also know some people who homeschooled their kids involuntarily because there wasn't a suitable school placement - either genuinely ridiculous commutes or no local school could accommodate their extra needs.
The home-schooled kids we met did get tuition via home-schooling networks. Obviously that's a self-selecting group in some ways, because we did meet them, because they went to the farm for volunteering days and to hang out with other kids. A couple of her friends at Guides were also homeschooled.
One parent I met homeschooled her child because she needed a wheelchair, but the options were the school that was mostly children with learning disabilities, which is not a good environment for learning if it's just your legs that don't work - or two somewhat local schools, but they'd all maxed out their requirements for kids who need a wheelchair or a taxi for up to 3 hours there and three hours back to a school in another borough.
When the borough eventually said "we have a space free! Yay!" the child wasn't used to regular school at all, and had to fight to keep their existing tutoring in groups with kids with what was basically a school, limited hours but very focused.
goldenhawkes@reddit
I think the stereotype of the American homeschooler is of a religious fanatic with a large amount of children who won’t send them to school incase they hear the word evolution.
In the UK it’s gaining in popularity but mostly as “my child is completely not coping in school and the school refuse to help” which is what two of my friends have done. (One off-rolled to save her son the final term of a school that wasn’t working for him to send him to a better one in sept). Could be our schools have unrealistic expectations, or closing the special schools might not have been the best idea, or they need significantly more resources.
Material_Machine822@reddit
Yeah ngl.... I was thinking more along the lines of the tinfoil hat stereotype.
Hungry-Orange9719@reddit
I wonder what families (religion) in the UK do it? The only families I knew who did it in Canada were papists
bahumat42@reddit
It is definitely possible I know people who have to do it for their children.
It's not common but I don't think it's especially rare either.
ZydrateAnatomic@reddit (OP)
I also thought it was mostly a USA thing (it is banned in some EU countries), but I looked at the laws in England and they seem quite lax to me?
lamb1282@reddit
The law in the UK is that it is a parents responsibility to educate their child. They can outsource this to schools but it does remain a parental responsibility. This is why they can fine parents for missing school because when you outsource schooling it is then you responsibility to ensure they attend.
Anyway, homeschool parents in the UK have fought for autonomy for a long time to refuse access to anyone trying to assess their children. Most home schoolers I know do a good job and aim to get them through qualifications.
The issue in the UK is that over the last 10-15 years schools (academies) have used homeschool as a way to manage out difficult students who might otherwise have permanent exclusions. I have seen parents encouraged to get their child off roll because the school can’t cope with them and they don’t want that child on roll for their statistics. They get judged on permanent exclusions as well so they manage them out.
We also have a huge amount of SEND children being failed by a woefully underfunded system. And if you can’t fit into the school model then we can’t help you. So we see parents removing their children because schooling has become so rigid. Children have to fit into schools and not school to fit around the child.
walkunafraid7@reddit
Ooh, I was "home educated", feel I can chime in on this with some authority.
It's shit. It will fuck your child up. Don't do it. Unless you have a valid reason for it, and you're willing to put the work and money in - don't do it. That's the only advice I can give anyone thinking of home education.
My life could've gone in a completely different direction had I had some professional input and formal education.
Both-Mud-4362@reddit
Unfortunately, in the UK homeschooling is very unregulated. Which is absolutely awful.
Tbh I think homeschooling parents of children with SEN should have to cover: - English - Maths - Science
If there is no diagnosed SEN they should have to cover the full national curriculum, be OFSTED inspected and all qualifications e.g. GCSE & ALEVELs should have to be obtained. Also monthly checked with social services to ensure its not a control/abuse reason for being homeschooled.
Also the people teaching the children must have GCSEs & ALEVEls as a bare minimum and have completed a 10-12 month educational training programme on learning theory - (much shorter than actual teachers are required to have)
MD564@reddit
In my experience, my students who are taken out because their parents think they can do better end up back in school or college having to redo Maths and English GCSEs. So I'd say regulation is terrible/ non existent.
Medibot300@reddit
Very lacking in regulation and there are unscrupulous money grubbing people waiting in the wings to profit off these kids who don’t or can’t go to school. I know of teachers who have set up homeschooling consultancies and are cashing in. It is morally bankrupt
cityfrm@reddit
Which country are you referring to? There are several within the UK and each has different laws and guidance.
sheriyamonee@reddit
I work in a school and i can say that parents homeschool children when they are being questioned about their parenting basically! If the child has behavioural issue and is on the veege of PEX, to orevent it oarents pull the children out or if they are nearing a time where they have to pay a massive fine they just electively home educate. The ciuncil here checks every 6 months andnif it isn't satisfactory the children are to attend school legally. but then parents do it the cycle repeats they EHE. again.
Representative-Ear26@reddit
On the flip side of this, is it to avoid the questioning? Or is because their kid is genuinely struggling, getting to crisis point and they finally decide to try and do something radical to help their child? Dealing with a child in burnout from school or with genuine school trauma is not for the faint hearted. If a child has a behavioural issue they are communicating something and something somewhere at school or at home isn't being met.
Sad_Cardiologist5388@reddit
Yes its very unregulated in England. Its a bit of a dirty word with homeschoolers. Many of them want the gvmt as far away as possible.
Theres a lot of uproar about a proposed bill to have homeschool children on a register and to have the odd visit from the local authority. I had assumed that that would be basic stuff but no, seems like its the wild west
Representative-Ear26@reddit
That's because the bill is more than that unfortunately, and when your children have suffered so horrendously in school but the council won't pay for specialist provision, change is scary. Their powers to be able to deem my education unsuitable for silly reasons is increasing, and with that send my babies, who are now actually happy back to a mainstream school. All three of them would struggle and not cope well, but one my kids in particular would have such a mental health struggle I can barely think of it. So I know it's probably all going to be okay, but the way it was brought in the back of that little girls death (Sara Sharif) which was actually completely unrelated to her short time of being home educated and entirely related to social services/ the courts etc etc, it feels wrong. Especially when home education is the standard for our children, school is the 'opt in' not the other way around. I want kids to be safe guarded of course. But I also want the fundamental freedom to educate my children in a way that suits their needs, aptitudes and SEN and most of all keeps them happy.
BillWilberforce@reddit
The worst thing is that there are independent ultra-full time schools. Mainly for the Jewish Orthodox community. We're talking about 8AM-9PM schools 5-6 days per week. As long as they don't try to offer a non-religious education, such as English, Maths etc. They're completely exempt from any OFSTED oversight. So they just teach a very narrow religious curriculum. On the occasions when they do try to teach English. The teachers can't even spell simple words like "bird" right.
Paywall free;
https://archive.ph/n4Nz7
From https://www.thetimes.com/uk/article/hasidic-boys-school-abuse-uk-jewish-education-investigation-london-2023-qx385fx52
The same also applies to extreme Muslim schools.
Representative-Ear26@reddit
It's called home educating in the UK- yes it's unregulated.
There are new laws coming in, which will safeguard some children who need it, but possibly take away the freedom from home educating parents like myself.
I home educate for the same reason as many in the UK, I have neuro diverse kids who couldn't cope in mainstream, they were NOT okay, but they also were not able to get into a specialist provision, so my hand was forced.
I'm not a perfect educator, this wasn't the choice I wanted for us, I'm a disabled mum of four and ironically was 'home educated' myself (I write it like that because I was just removed from the school role, but no learning took place, I actually just found drugs and alcohol at a young age.
I do focus heavily on maths, all my kids read to a high level, I allow them to follow their interests and we study most things you would see in a classroom but sometimes delivered differently.
I'm always open to connecting with other home ed parents and noticed there isn't a UK sub for it if anyone wants to set one up.
If anyone has any questions about my experiences of being a NEET, or being a home educator, feel free to ask.
redheadedsweetie@reddit
I loved home schooling during COVID. I had permission from our local authority to home school our foster children (all looked after children were meant to stay in school). Both had missed huge chunks of education and were miles behind their age related expectations. One was being taken out of class with the SEND children as they couldn't access the lessons. When they went back to school after the lock downs, they were in the higher ability groups.
However, I am a qualified teacher and I had the time to dedicate to teaching them. We kept the structure of school days so that they had consistency and routine. I will say, whilst I had permission to home school during that period, I was surprised that their social worker didn't ask to see their work or check what we had been doing.
Home educating is very unregulated. The parents I know who do home educate have SEND children; children who were dealing with bullying; or very bright children, who were bored and being completely turned off from learning. They use home education groups to meet up with other families and go on trips together; share resources and teach some lessons together. I know one family, with a bright child, who started taking GCSEs at a younger than normal age (around the equivalent of Year 9) to focus on two a year, whilst still having time to learn about things they were really interested in.
However, I know there will be plenty who simply neglect their children's education in favour of an 'easy life'.
RoseOfTheWest93@reddit
I was homeschooled for a couple of years due to horrific bullying and the school never doing anything about it. I didn’t realise homeschooling was unregulated.
In my case, I was visited at home by someone from the council or local authority (whatever department it was that was overseeing it). The visits were every 3-6 months or something like that, and had to go through what I was learning, I was questioned on a range of topics, and had to show my learning materials. I wonder if it was just the area I was in as, from reading the comments, my experience seems to have been an outlier.
AskingBoatsToSwim@reddit
I know some formerly home-schooled kids, now adults, and they are all very well educated and are intelligent people. However they also have a certain set of very odd non-scientific beliefs that were presumably drilled into them for over a decade. It’s unfortunate but doesn’t harm them too much.
Twattymcgee123@reddit
Know of three families that are home schooled and in each case the children are being dealt a great disservice .
Hardly any checks are carried out and the children are not up before 11 am and are severely undereducated, as are the parents .
smnthb90@reddit
Just out of interest, why is not being up until 11am a problem? Is it not possible to run on a later schedule than most and still learn? The issue of the children being under educated I understand, but I'm not sure why we need to pick fault on what time people get up in the morning so long as they're getting enough sleep and otherwise achieving what they need to achieve.
Twattymcgee123@reddit
I think you have a valid point in some respects , the reason I raised it is because in general most people in the UK (rightly or wrongly ) work in the daytime for eg , 73% work day shifts .
It teaches some kind of normality and routine for their future lives if they get used to this earlier on .
It’s shown that human biology is built for daytime, it’s our circadian rhythm , (our internal body clock is at its best in the daytime ).
In these particular cases , the children getting up late from bed caused issues because workmen /inspectors had to go into their properties and carry out inspections and repairs .
They refused to go into the children’s bedrooms while they were still in bed because they felt it was inappropriate .
keithmk@reddit
Not at all the same situation but. We were living and working deep in the african bush. My son reached the age of 5 and we managed to enrol him in the local primary school. Most of his classmates were a year or so older, he was the only non local child, the only white child and the only native English speaker. But it was a newly liberated ex colony, so the classmates had some English and he quickly picked up some of the local language. The actual curriculum was totally crap academically, but in such a poor area of a poor country, I'd say they were doing the best they could. What he picked up in terms of socialisation and general life experience was incredible. (even if some of it was how to sneak across the restricted military airstrip without getting caught. School was mornings only and he had marvellous experiences attending and playing with his group of friends.
We then signed up with a UK company which regularly sent us all the materials and resources to provide an appropriate UK style education, which we worked on in the afternoons when it was to hot for a little blond haired, pale skinned boy to play out. His progress was regularly tested. He had a wonderful early education. But it took a lot of work on his and our parts. When we returned to UK he was actually well ahead of his contemporaries here, academically and was a well adjusted and socialised lad.
As I say totally different situation, but just wanted to say it can work, but it takes a lot of dedication and effort on both sides even when you are hot and tired and when the electricity is off very many more days than it makes even a brief appearance
abyssal-isopod86@reddit
Firstly it isn't homeschooling here in THE UK because schooling is not mandatory, education is.
I home educated my son and I read the actual law on education, the poor in layman's terms: a child's education must sorted to their age and ability - "whether that be in school, or otherwise."
Education van be and is anything and everything you teach your child.
Home educated children in the UK routinely, regularly same constantly out perform those educated in public schools and have scores and year results on par and even higher than those educated in private schools.
Ambitious-Elk-3350@reddit
It's very unregulated, a cover for neglect and abuse, and stronger regulation is coming.
Sandy_Bananas@reddit
The QAA podcast just had a 2 episode special on homeschooling in the uk. Unfortunately it’s behind a paywall. Worth a listen if you can find it.
Like most things, it’s wildly mixed. I know people that have been Hsd to a very high level of education, with a breadth and depth that puts most schools to shame. I’ve met too many that would be classed as neglect. I’ve met 3-4 that have had insane ‘religious’ schooling that I would term abuse.
It an horrible miasma.
West-Cabinet-2169@reddit
Indeed, the legislation surrounding home schooling and lack of standards that children in the regular school systems face is astounding.
lsmith946@reddit
I think some rules are changing this September for the start of the new academic year. Or at least that's the impression I got from one of my colleagues who pulled his kid out of the village primary school because of various issues and is worried his kid will be forced back into that same school come September.
My colleague is also really concerned about the fact that living in a village and not sending his kid to school means for the kid's social development though. He's trying to find a way to move to an area where there are more options for getting his kid involved in things that will give him a social life.
Xaphios@reddit
I was homeschooled for most of my school years, as was my brother. We're both in IT nowadays, both with (unrelated) degrees under our belts.
Honestly it felt like we did little "work", but we were always encouraged to ask questions and follow the answers. As we were in a class of two we could be interested in different subjects and just learn about those things. For example, my brother was a bit of a history nerd as a kid so things like maths were mostly interesting to him when the examples used were to do with tudor or roman civilisation.
I was also always into whatever DIY projects my dad and grandad were doing, so I've got a wealth of knowledge there that comes from exposure as a kid.
I'd say homeschooling can be great, but it depends very much on the family to make it a success.
heypresto2k@reddit
I know one family from parents church, who homeschool but they are religious nutters. I don’t know anyone else that homeschools or has the ability or time (or even the capacity to not have two incomes).
FishermanSeveral1872@reddit
Strange post. Why are you looking at the laws around homeschooling in the UK if it isn't something you would consider? You don't say what your " native country " is.
Impressive-Cheek1609@reddit
Home educated back in the 1980s. Mum said it was because I saw the head teacher's privates in a swimming lesson. Wide legged shorts, no undies, standing at the side of the pool with the kids looking up at him. Accidental or not, we were out of that school in less than a week.
My parents were strict, and abusive. With no-one to see, I got beat regularly, kicked and even knifed on one occasion. If we didn't do our work, or messed about, there was a slap at the very least. We even had evening study to do.
We did a full day off lessons, covering everything except PE. Mum hated exercise and we lived on a farm so there was lots of physical work anyway. We were dumped at the library in town once a week while the parents did shopping, at 6 and 8 no less, and were charged with finding books relevant to what we were learning as well as reading books. That's the only time we were out in public.
By the time we went back to school 2 years later I was ahead of my peers so I went to senior school a year early. Ginger tomboy, thick glasses, undiagnosed autistic ADHD, with no social skills anyway and officially a know it all. My god, school was just as hellish as home education.
No-one cared back then.
agentvietnam@reddit
Reading this and everyone seems fairly misinformed about home education. School is the norm but it's hard for some people to accept that parents can provide for their own child's education needs less capably than an underfunded underresourced school.
People pay a lot of money for private education but what are they getting for their money? More teaching time. What could be more than 100% of their waking hours with someone close to them to guide them and help them learn how to learn and find out what they love to do.
School is basically childcare and if you counted the actual teaching time your child gets one on one it's almost nothing.
I see lots of negatives but the majority of comments and upvotes are no doubt people who have never seen or talked to home educated kids or have one negative story they want to share.
We home educate our kid and I have to agree that you really need to hold your nerve that you're doing the right thing. But I don't regret it, we get more time with them than any other parent and they're happy safe well adjusted have plenty friends and have as many friends as their school going neighbours do. Plus they're very smart and as capable if not more capable than their school going counterparts.
We're not all like the bad examples you've read in this thread
Middle-agedCynic@reddit
If you have a Times newspaper account, this piece... https://www.thetimes.com/uk/education/article/home-schooling-uk-inspector-gx982bgd6
Wolfdreama@reddit
I homeschooled my daughter from age 13.
She went to a local college (high school) and was having unbelievably bad experiences with being bullied. The school refused to do anything (or claimed there wasn't anything they could do). My daughter was miserable. So we pulled her out of school.
There were no regulations. I could teach her whatever we decided. We focused heavily on maths, English, history and art. She knew she wanted to be a pastry chef so she also did a ton of online courses for baking/cake decorating/pâtisserie etc. (where you have to send in pics of your work), plus health and safety and food hygiene courses. When she reached school leaving age, she went to a local college, where she did her maths and English GCSE's and completed a catering course. After that she managed to get a job as a trainee pastry chef and she just progressed from there.
Basically, homeschooling CAN be a very good thing but you have to do it responsibly and for the right reasons. My daughter (she's 28 now) has often told us how grateful she is that we decided to go the homeschool route. She credits it with being able to truly find the things she was passionate about.
AnimeBritGuy@reddit
It certainly was unregulated when I did 6 months home schooling in about 2009 when we moved house and were waiting for a place at the only school in the area. Thankfully the school gave my parents lots of print outs and a list of books to get at the local library. I could easily see how if you had parents who pull you out of school and don't do much you can fall behind very quickly.
ConsciousNectarine9@reddit
Its not a massive thing in the UK (or at least in mg area in Scotland) and the majority that do is down to children with special needs not having their needs met at school.
I pulled my middle child from school at the end of his P6 year due to the school majorly failing him (bullied by a teacher the previous year leading to an extreme uprate in voilent outbursts), handled most of the next year well until said teacher returned to the school and things turned to crap again with school refusing to follow a de-escalation plan that had been agreed upon the previous year. We had to let the council know in writing that we were pulling him from school, the reasons behind it and what our plans were for education. He spent that year at home and spending a couple hours a week with me at the high school to get used to the building and the staff. By the time the council bothered to check up on him the year had passed and he was back in school (high school). He's almost at the end of his 1st year of high school and I know that pulling him out had been the best decision we ever made.
Things may have been slightly more lax for us as we had proffesional input due to autism and adhd (diagnosed during the rough year).
Spicymargx@reddit
Home education in the UK is ridiculously unregulated and it’s a huge concern for me. Whilst some people can home educate and do a wonderful job at it, too many are deregistering their children because safeguarding concerns have been raised, or their children have significant SEND which you need to be highly skilled at supporting educationally. There are also a lot of parents deregistering to avoid attendance fines, and whilst I don’t agree fines, poor attendance can be a symptom of neglect or harm. These children become invisible to the system.
Another worry for me is that I often see parents who home educate that don’t have the best numeracy or literacy skills themselves or struggled through their own education. As an educated person, I don’t believe I could effectively teach a child everything they need to learn without guidance. Some parents buy this help in, but many don’t.
I will likely be downvoted to filth by home educating parents. If that’s you, it’s really unlikely you’re who I am talking about. You probably take home education seriously and feel that what I’m saying isn’t a representation of the majority. I want to be clear, I’m not saying that it is. But if one more child is killed by a parent who deregisters them from school to avoid social services, or even experiences harm and neglect because there are no professional eyes in them, or doesn’t achieve what they are capable of in life because they didn’t get an effective education, that’s one child too many.
Electrical-Tea6966@reddit
I was home schooled from 2001-2005. We used to get a yearly visit from an inspector to make sure we were ok, and to see what we were learning. However due to budget cuts those decreased to one visit per key stage.
Freedom to educate your children however you see fit is legal in this country, which is why we have religious schools, Steiner schools, private schools etc. Home schooling is no different really.
Jonny_rhodes@reddit
My daughters grandmother from her mothers side said she was going to homeschool her youngest daughter… For about 5 weeks she took her to work with her cleaning in a pub, she left her at a table to colour in She decided it was too much stress ‘schooling her’, nothing to do with the lack any actual teaching of anything She managed to start in school late October, she was quite far behind and even now the teachers have said she’s never really caught up. The grandmother still thinks the schools are indoctrinating children, yet she refuses to pay tv licence, water bills, all sorts because the government is against you So yeah that
MiserableSympathy230@reddit
Me and my sisters were homeschooled, me and my oldest sister didn’t do any school work at all. My middle sister did everything and is now a qualified psychologist
XxSianxX@reddit
All I can say is... yes! As a former home schooled student.. you are correct!
Beginning-Fun6616@reddit
Well, I work through an agency that caters to homeschooling students, doing GCSEs and A-levels and it is very regulated.
ZydrateAnatomic@reddit (OP)
Okay but they do not have to take GCSEs and A-levels. If they were mandatory I would understand, but homeschooled children are not required to do any of this.
Beginning-Fun6616@reddit
Well, the local education authority would be very interested to hear this as yes, at least Maths and English GCSEs are needed to do anything post-16.
ZydrateAnatomic@reddit (OP)
They are necessary if you want to function in society, of course, but I have read the laws and parents are not actually forced to make their kids take GCSEs. So these regulated programs are entirely optional and not a form of regulation that keeps all homeschooling families accountable.
WallflowerWhitler@reddit
My partner’s nephew has just recently started homeschooling due to ill health. He was in and out of school, where according to his mum, the school were not understanding in his absences.
She’s got him signed up to an online school, costs about £5k a year. She doesn’t earn much herself, and have no idea how sets affording it. I’ve very little faith he’ll learn anything, since she’s babied him his entire life, but at least she’s not winging it.
konwiddak@reddit
As a parent I think only certain children even can be successfully homeschooled. A child sees their relationship with their parent as an amalgamation of many roles; carer, authority figure, playmate, friend, teacher, slave, the person who loves them (and many more) and in many cases doesn't work when you try to expand that teacher role enough to fit in a proper education. Can I teach my kids things? Sure. Could I teach things to my kids for 5 hours a day, 5 days a week - no I think they'd just mentally shut down that path. It's hard enough to get them to learn their spellings every week.
EhDinnaeEvenKen@reddit
Every home schooled person I've ever met (4 of them) was not only weird and ill-socialised, but also dumb/ignorant.
And frankly, I'm of the opinion that their parents have committed an act of child abuse by sending their kids out into the world that socially and intellectually ill-prepared for real life.
misspixal4688@reddit
"The Times, evidence that hundreds of SEND children are avoidably killing themselves due to public authority negligence. ITV has broadcast evidence of misconduct and lawbreaking on SEND by 117 local authorities. The government is planning to reduce rights which family after family has said can save lives" we want to talk about tbis too how the system is killing children I wonder what the numbers are for child deaths between home educated ones and ones who go to school?
Curious_Octopod@reddit
Parents have a legal obligation to ensure a full-time, efficient and suitable education for their children and obviously a lot choose to appoint a school to do it for them.
Local Authorities have a statutory duty to ensure all the children in their area are in receipt of a full-time, suitable and efficient education and impose a School Attendance Order when necessary.
TropicalTito@reddit
As a dance teacher, I see many kids that are home schooled. Some genuinely need it as they are in full time theatre productions but they do usually get a tutor provided to the child performers. They tend to get excellent tuition and really enjoy learning. They also know they have to keep up a good standard of school work unless they want to be dropped.
Then you get the parents who think that their kids are of high potential, pull them out of school for full time dance training despite more qualified advice. Generally, these kids totally burn themselves out and end up quitting dance way before they normally would. And by just being in a dance studio all day, they fail basic education.
sjwatt76@reddit
Depends on what part of the UK! Scotland, for example, Council permission is required
OldOllie@reddit
It is not totally unregulated and they have just brought in a law to further regulate it ,there is a great deal of contention around this and its motivations and the way it as been brought in many believe it will do more harm than good..
I have relevant experience of this as a parent of 2 children, one is currently home educated.
We are not religious or anything like that and have come to our situation through necessity.
Initially we were having some issues with the school, not teaching them anything past the bare minimum etc and my daughter was really struggling with the environment of the school which was causing her severe anxiety to the point she would not sleep and was on a state of constant worry. despite discussions with them and looking at several other schools as options ( note. in the UK you cannot just move schools you apply to the council who will try and fit you in but they could guarantee nothing not even if both kids could go to the same school ).
So we took both kids out of school and did home education, you have to inform the council you are doing this so they don`t just disappear from the system. We do a yearly report of what they have done and how they are getting on.
We use online resources and try to make sure they keep up with the required standards etc.
We soon discovered many groups for home educated kids and many places do home ed classes during the day for example my son was doing Karate one morning a week.
After about a year and a half my son who is very sociable decided he missed seeing his mates every day and decided to go back to school in year 6, I was a bit worried he might be behind but the opposite was true, he was equal or above his peers and did well in his SATs now in year 7 at senior school and doing very well all round.
My daughter is still learning at home and will probably go to college at 14 to do her GCSE`s there where they have a pre 16 department.
I just wanted to put our real life experience here because I think home education can have a bad public image because most people don`t know about it.
I will say that the decision to do it was not easy to make and we spent many nights discussing it and went through many options.
The difference in mental health it provided to my daughter was noticed by family and friends quite quickly, everyone said how much brighter and happier she was ( unprompted ).
She felt such pressure from the school environment that she was under stress constantly and could never relax.
The school did not believe she was struggling because she would basically sort of hold her breath when she went in the gate, be a model student all day because she did not want any trouble or attention and then release all the stress at home later, not sleep worrying about the next PE lesson in 2 days time and repeat the next day.
Once she knew she did not have to return unless she wanted to she began to be her old self again though it took a week or two for her to de-compress.
I do not regret it for a minute and almost wish we had done it sooner.
The home education numbers are rising in the UK, I think partly because during the covid lockdowns we saw how little they were actually teaching first hand ( the amount of actual teaching required for primary age is 3 hours per day ) and had to home school anyway so it showed people it is possible.
The other issue is that the schools cannot spend time on more capable students because they just need to get everyone over the acceptable baseline which is hard enough. A lot of the smarter kids are being let down because they can do the basics easily so are basically left alone to idle rather than being encouraged to push to the next level.
NVHPhallo@reddit
My friends homeschool their kids: 1. 18 y.o with appalling written English, drug issues, no qualifications 2. 16 y.o no qualifications, college won’t accept him unless he does additional maths/english which he will struggle with 3. 8 y.o can’t read or write, doesn’t know alphabet can’t count to 100.
It’s fucking awful and I want to say something but don’t know what to say
misspixal4688@reddit
Gotta love Reddit and how biased it can be. I have a stepdaughter who has been isolated in a learning support unit for two years with no real education whatsoever. Teachers tell other students not to approach her and don’t provide her with any form of schoolwork. She has complex needs and is severely autistic, the kind where she rocks in corners and struggles to communicate. She was also abused and neglected in early childhood. Despite all of that, the local authority said she could cope in mainstream. She quite obviously couldn’t access secondary school for the first two years. It took me two years to challenge that decision. So how can the public, people in spaces like this subreddit, be okay with a child being failed so completely by the school system, yet have a problem with home education? Home education is regulated. There are annual reports, and if the local authority deems it not good enough, they can issue a school attendance order and force a return to school. Not every child is academic. Not every child, like my stepdaughter, can cope in that kind of environment. But the council is skint, and I can’t afford private provision like most parents. I didn’t home educate in the end, but I came very close, and I know plenty who do. The majority are families with disabled children who have been failed by the system. The “religious extremists” or those covering up abuse are the minority. But that doesn’t suit your narrative, does it?
Colleen987@reddit
The UK does not have 1 central school system it’s a devolved matter. Which countries regulations are you taking umbrage with?
ALWAYS-RED-1992@reddit
Most of the children that are home educated shouldn't be.
It's intended for outlier cases, Her Majesty the late Queen Elizabeth II never had any formal schooling, instead however home education is often performed by parents without the sufficient resources to properly educate their children. 1 on 1 learning is the goal, but not if the resources aren't there. Think of everything that a school includes that isn't tied down, things like the books, classroom resources like pens, projectors, laptops, ITS EXPENSIVE.
The model in Europe where parents have to submit formal reports and have qualifications, and for the children still to study towards and pass national exams.
Concurrently though, schooling in the UK is for the most part terrible. A lot of children are home eductated properly, and still go onto pass exams and attend university or enjoy their vocation or career.
Home educated though my daughter may be, last year she passed 10 iGCSEs, school couldn't keep up with her, she's nine years old ffs and studying a-level material while training for her chess tournaments, I've every confidence that it is the right decision that she's home educated, though that said she has a full time tutor AND a full time chess coach (different people) that I pay for out of pocket, the costs of which are more than the fees for her brother to attend his private montesorri school.
Most of the children/teens in the tournaments with my daughter are also home educated.
mel_reddit@reddit
I was home schooled for lengthy periods (due to a toxic school) until I went to sixth form then a reputable uni.
I happened to have a mother who took teaching me seriously, but the local authority never came round to check on me or anything, which is slightly ridiculous.
tunasweetcorn@reddit
People forget there are genuine reasons for kids to be home schooled for example I had friends growing up where school just wasn't for them either because of bullying or simply lack of alignment with the uk educational system and curriculum.
MrsValentine@reddit
Pretty unregulated. I support homeschooling generally speaking because I think parents should be able to exercise control over their children’s education if they choose to. Of course sending your children to school for free is much easier than providing home education, since a state education frees up parents’ time and proving home education does the exact opposite unless you’re wealthy enough to pay for tutors.
I’ve known a few people who were homeschooled (at least partly) and in a very unconventional way. They’ve turned out fine and productive members of society. And this was back before the neurodiversity boom so if you were homeschooled, chances are it was because your parents were a bit weird not because the children had any special needs.
Homeschooled kids all have a slightly weird vibe but honestly I think that’s because they’ve never had to be frightened about fitting in with their peers. They’re not worried about the social consequences of wearing the wrong sort of trainers or whatever, so their personalities develop without that peer pressure and they’re a bit more confident as a result of not having been knocked back so much.
There are horror stories where people ‘homeschool’ to prevent teachers etc asking awkward questions about signs of abuse, but to me that’s not an issue of homeschooling, it’s an issue of child abuse and an issue with lack of motivation on the part of social services to follow up on these kinds of reports from teachers.
thereisalwaysrescue@reddit
I did a AMA on r/UKparenting which might answer some people’s questions!
my experience in homeschooling as a very type A person
cheerychops2023@reddit
Many families choose this because they feel that the British education system is not able to serve ther kids' needs especially if they have special/ additional needs. The government has just announced plans to shake system up in order to make it more regulated.
sssstttteeee@reddit
I have three home educated children. Two are adults, they are at university or college and totally nailing it. Home education was the best thing for them so that they could shine. The third has 5 GCSE'S and 2 more to go next year.
School is for some, it is not for everyone and many parents cannot provide the educational support that home educated children need to thrive, so they have to leave them in school.
Fortunate to be a position that my wife could home educate our children and take them through around 11 different GCSE's with most of the results A and B.
Home education is regulated enough. Some authorities such as Portsmouth take it upon themselves to mandate a home education level outside of prescribed legislation.
I hated senior school for back then, home education was not a thing, my parents have not set up clever enough or dedicated enough to provide it.
Manyi leading historical figures were home educatef, Florence Nightingale, Queen Elizabeth II, and to a point Winston Churchill.
PetersMapProject@reddit
Queen Elizabeth II is not a great example.
She didn't become monarch on the basis of merit, and she felt her education was lacking in many ways. The education she did receive was highly specialised - eg the constitution - because there was only one job open to her - monarch.
Your children, however, need a broad education because they might take up any number of different careers.
The Queen ensured her own children went to school.
bababababoos@reddit
Aah yes, Queen Elizabeth II excelled with homeschooling. I'm sure that Stacey from the council area down the road's sprog will absolutely excel to aristocratic levels following 15 years of Stacey sharing her worldly knowledge which doesn't extend much further than the estate.
sssstttteeee@reddit
Requires parent(s) to put the work in, or to fund private tutors.
Without the above, then zero GCSE's.
Individual-Gur-7292@reddit
Those well known historical figures who were royalty, aristocracy (and later went to Harrow), or was a woman living during the 19th century, a time where the only way for a girl to access an education beyond the three Rs was to have a governess?
sssstttteeee@reddit
I'm in the home education scene and quoting my friends children would not be helpful.
crispycat40@reddit
Lots of families home educate because their child has special needs and the school system can’t adapt to meet them.
I work as a specialist tutor and a good portion of my work is with families who took their children off roll because they were in crisis, and couldn’t see any alternatives.
crispycat40@reddit
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Northy_3@reddit
Here is the saddest part of it; it is so unregulated.
As soon as parents overcome a view that school is not worth the hassle of being free childcare they make this decision. No regulation, even for safeguarding concerns about home educated children, social care are powerless.
There is no standard on what needs to be taught. Often these children are left to do what they like or get used as free labour at home which is incredibly sad for them. Don’t get me wrong there is a small number that it works for but it’s such a small percentage.
The kicker is that a child electively home educated children a return on roll to their original school at any time they choose, so long as they still fit the ages taught. The school can’t say no. Often children will miss years and then return when parents discover that GCSEs cost a fair bit to enter and they don’t want to pay themselves.
The final bleak point is that local authorities are an overwhelmed by number being home educated post Covid that an enormous amount of young people fall between the cracks.
SorbetOk1165@reddit
It’s not regulated, but two of my family members home school their kids.
They do online English & Maths lessons, to ensure they have those subjects taught correctly.
But then the parents work on things like life skills. For example the kids are given a budget & told their task is to create a meal plan for the week.
It needs to be nutritious. The kids use online resources to research how to make the meals they want as healthy as possible, then work out where to get the ingredients from to stay in their budget.
They then have to learn to cook those meals.
They do do other stuff as well but I thought the above was a really good idea and something that is actually missing being taught in school.
Appreciate though that most parents won’t bother doing things like that.
PetersMapProject@reddit
Is this not just a slightly more in depth version of the life skills that all parents should be teaching?
If you don't teach your child to budget and cook, honestly I think that's neglect, regardless of whether or not they go to school.
So often the "benefits" I see touted by home ed parents are just things the school going kids are doing in the evenings, weekends and holidays.
"We went for a walk in the woods and identified trees".... Lovely? That's just a regular weekend activity, not a replacement for school, and it's not an adequate biology lesson.
acc21bh@reddit
I don't know much about it but I was speaking to a mum with a 4 year old who is thinking of homeschooling & was really shocked that you don't seem to have to register your child as being home schooled. She said you just don't apply for any schools & don't need to notify anyone. I don't know if this is true or if she's misinformed, but it seems a bit shocking there are no checks on homeschooled children, sounds like a safeguarding concern at the very least.
PetersMapProject@reddit
That's accurate, and yes it's hugely concerning.
There are undoubtedly kids out there that are just not recorded - sovereign citizens avoid birth certificates. That goes hand in hand with anti vaxxers and other opposition to modern medicine, so no need for a GP. Then you simply don't register your child for school. Voilà, a child who doesn't exist on paper.
Dylan Seabridge was near enough one of these kids; his birth was registered but he never saw a professional after that, and was home educated. He died of scurvy. SCURVY. Vitamin C deficiency. If his parents hadn't called an ambulance, but had simply buried him at home, I don't think we'd ever have learned of his death.
mattjimf@reddit
Having been through this for a few years, there are a few different routes for homeschooling:
The misunderstood child - these people generally belive the education system is failing their child/children, and as such pull the child out and do the bare minimum. These are usually the ones that generally have reading and writing issues.
Christian - these are generally people who don't subscribe to the standard education system, they do actually put the time and effort into teaching their children everything they need.
Inbetweeners - These are people who want their children to learn but don't subscribe to the Christian ethos of creationism.
You don't have to follow the general curriculum when home schooling but most councils do require yearly reports, some try for home visits, but these are vehemently despised and refused. They have changed the terms in the last year or so.
After covid the numbers increased due to the lacklustre provision schools provided, that was part of the reason we went down that route. My wife would teach in the morning, then have outings in the afternoons. We also weren't tied to the expensive school holidays, so could take advantage of trips where we places offered home schoolers the same offers schools got.
Positive-Try-8685@reddit
Commenting to offset some of the bad rep that a lot of the comments have given ‘homeschooling’. Personally, I prefer the term home educated and so do a lot of other people I know. I never went to school until age 16. I have 9 GCSEs, A Levels, two degrees and I’m starting a PhD soon. I preface this comment with this info because lot of responses I get when I tell people that I didn’t go to school until college was “omg but you’re so normal?”, or “but what about friends?” or “what about your qualifications”
My parents were very child led, they told me I didn’t have to do formal qualifications as long as I did something, but I chose the academic route. I chose this because they taught me to love learning - I wasn’t forced to sit in a classroom every day (although they gave me that option too). The whole point was that I learn my own way, and enjoy my childhood in my own way. And before people make assumptions, no, my parents weren’t rich, and we didn’t have a lot of money. My mum gave up her job to home educate me and my brother, and my dad worked a lot.
My home educated friends are also what you’d define as successful, with multiple degrees, good jobs, and high happiness/rich social lives. I write all of this to say that while there are obviously parents who don’t do home education well, or for the wrong reasons, who are also neglectful, and whose children suffer because of it (and I’m not trying to completely ignore the people who went through that), there is equally a group of parents who deserve a massive amount of respect and recognition for doing it for the right reasons, for giving up a lot to ensure that their kids are really given everything and doing it well.
Chelz91@reddit
So I used to work in school attendance policy. Basically it’s not unregulated but there is enough room in policy (at the time I worked in it) that there are lots of loopholes that can be easily exploited by those who don’t want to properly educate a child at home for a number of reasons. Can also be exploited through “off rolling” to get “problem” children out of school and place the responsibility to educate back in the hands of the parents
Faye-Lockwood@reddit
It was for me? But that was 2002-2012, I don't know what it looks like now.
And I also think I slipped through the cracks after we moved house.
ZydrateAnatomic@reddit (OP)
What do you mean? The council stopped checking at some point after the move?
pajamakitten@reddit
Their new council would probably have had no record of them being home-schooled, so would not have known they needed to be checked up on.
Faye-Lockwood@reddit
I guess so? I was a kid so I don't remember, I know early on we would have people come over to check how my education was going, but then it stopped 🤷♀️
BigFloofRabbit@reddit
It happened to me too!
My mum was relieved when we moved house and the Education Officers stopped checking on us, because she sure wasn't bothering to actually educate me.
Faye-Lockwood@reddit
I don't blame my parents too much, they got extremely overwhelmed with handling my and my brothers nerve disease and disability issues, as well as poverty.
But even though I don't think it was abuse, it was a bit neglectful :/
Freyedown@reddit
Same with me. Almost the same time period, I was pulled out in year 1 in 2003. My mum used to scare me off trying to go back to school by saying if I didn’t like it and wanted to be homeschooled again the “horrible” regulators would be coming round all the time as they’d move where we lived again
Emotional-Brief3666@reddit
For lots of people in the UK homeschooling means "I can't be arsed with the hassle of making my spoilt brat get out of bed in the morning because they've been up all night playing Fortnite or on Snapchat"
ikeafannypack@reddit
i can give some insight on this - i left mainstream school when i was around 14 because i had extreme anxiety and depression after covid 19. i did online school for my GCSEs + A Levels, and i did well. I currently go to a good uni and I haven’t really had any problems socialising etc. I know my case may be different as I was actually in a formal school and following the national curriculum, but i do agree it should be regulated more. like my local authority literally made my parents sign one document and that was it. i know lots of people who went to the online-school yet didnt attend classes and never did the formal GCSE exams. i’m pretty sure the govt are looking into regulating it more though
Fried-Friend@reddit
Cultures and not interchangable, you bore.
neb12345@reddit
I’ve known people who where ‘honed schooled’ and given basically no education, So yeah there is basically no regulation. Bar some checks to check the child isnt being neglected or abused the government doesn’t really do anything
Sir_Madfly@reddit
Imo home schooling should not be allowed unless it is proven that the normal school system cannot provide for your child due to special circumstances, and even then it should be viewed as a massive failing of the state. Too many crazy people use it as a way to ruin the lives of their children forever.
NecessaryIssue2367@reddit
Home-schooled kids invariably become useless adults. It's criminal that there's no "inspection" process for home-schoolers.
Mammoth-Passion-413@reddit
There are no rules. The law states children are reuqired to have a education, but how it's delivered and what they learn is an open book. It's also very expensive and when you are not given any choice through school actions or disabilities it can be overwhelming.
I home school 3 children whom no school can handle
emohelelwhy@reddit
I run a club for kids and we get a fair few homeschooled kids. They seem to fall into two groups - parents with a bit more money, who can afford for their kids to do amazing experiences, etc, and parents with kids with SEND who couldn't find the right place for them. Some of them do it fantastically, some of them seem to do basically nothing.
My main takeaway is that homeschooled kids for better or worse REALLY reflect their parents, whereas kids who go to school tend to be influenced more by their social group.
RunsWithGlueSticks@reddit
and those are just the two groups who are choosing to engage with the community via participating in your club. There's another group who are just essentially hidden from society, at the choice of their parents. Parents don't care, or believe they know better than the school, or any number of other things. The stories we hear in our safeguarding courses are incredibly disheartening.
emohelelwhy@reddit
Very true, I encountered a few of these when I was teaching. We had parents who hadn't sent their kid in for years so they were functionally homeschooling despite being on our books. Sometimes they'd come back after years and be functionally illiterate and incredibly anxious but expected to sit GCSEs. And of course, there's the more horrific safeguarding cases.
No-Pineapple-7042@reddit
Im homeschooled but its done through council funding so they have to agree on the tutors that I have and I have reviews to see what Im learning, grades etc. Basically its to see if theres a chance they can lessen the funding money somewhere lol
bluejackmovedagain@reddit
You might be in Education Other Than At School (EOTAS) rather than Electively Home Educated (EHE) which is what people generally mean when they same home schooled.
The difference is basically that with EOTAS (as you've described) your family and the education service agree a plan for what you will learn and how, and the council are still responsible for your education, you are just not physically in a school. Whereas, with EHE a child's parent has decided to teach them at home and, except for some very basic rules, the parent can more or less educate their child however they like.
No-Pineapple-7042@reddit
You're right! I am 🥰
Nomoreorangecarrots@reddit
In one of my kids classes, a child was pulled out so the family could travel without penalty. I’m not sure how much schooling they do but I know the mom runs a tik tok with her kids and they do museum trips.
Overall the family is nice, and they focus more on sports and the like, of which I believe one of her kids is very good at.
We see them occasionally around town sometimes. No idea how it’s going but has more patience than me.
Also a colleague at work pulled his kids out of school because they were talking about trans people. He didn’t agree with that and they’ve been home schooled ever since. His wife doesn’t work and I think she used to be a teacher. I think it seems like they do learn quite a bit but they maybe only do 2-3 hours of lessons per day.
haggis_catcher-@reddit
Seen something not to long ago about parents taking there kids out of mainstream to be home schooled but were actually sending them to some mad cult/survival training school
iffyClyro@reddit
UK is mosaic of different countries with their own laws. Within those separate countries there are also separate local authorities and the answer differs from one place to another.
Be specific.
gone-in-a-spark@reddit
Home schooling is curriculum led and home education is child led. Neither are particularly regulated and many children do not get the resources they need to be functioning members of society. Additionally, if your child has never been to school, there are not really on the local government’s radar, which is wholly problematic. I met a mum who’s gone on to home educate her child and it’s a massive shit show because she doesn’t know what she’s doing and doesn’t really care either.
Isgortio@reddit
I regularly encounter home schooled kids through my work (dental). We'll ask them what they're learning, they usually say nothing. When we ask what they're going to be doing today for lessons, they say nothing. The parents admit that the kids control when they have lessons, and as expected they rarely want any lessons because they can sit at home and watch TV all day instead. We book the kids for 9am appointments during the week, they don't turn up because the parents couldn't get them out of bed so we have to plan to see them in the afternoon instead. The kids have no GCSEs, can barely read or write, and have no ambition. It's honestly really sad to see.
Individual-Gur-7292@reddit
It is woefully unregulated. No checks to see what and how the child is being taught or if they are receiving a standard of education that will allow them to participate in society when they grow up.
While obviously there are children who thrive, others are being badly let down by their parents and are being denied an education and the opportunities it provides.
KitFan2020@reddit
100% unregulated 😡
SusieC0161@reddit
A friend of mine was forced to home school her daughter for about 6 months when she should have been starting high school. The only high school she was offered was in an awful area and she had no way to get there; it was a very strange situation as she was in the catchment area for at least 3 decent schools. Anyway, my friend and her husband had a fight in their hands to get any details of what they should be teaching her or any resources. My friend was amazed that absolutely no one gave a shit. After about 6 months, with constant mithering by the MP and parents, got into the same school all her primary school friends went to.
xl3roken@reddit
My sister is "homeschooled" because she has had issues at school.
She just sleeps all day does her hair or scroll on her phone. She has no plans for college or anything and shes at that age where she should be thinking of it.
Funny considering all last year she was saying "Watch when im 16 im going to get a job and ill be more successful than you" (it was a jab because im deemed unfit for work currently)
Really looking like she is successful huh?
ultimateberk@reddit
I met a family recently in hospital and i guessed instantly from the way they were speaking and behaving as parents. After further comversation they were very concerned and inteelrested in the drugs the docs were administering and whar was in them. I also lesrnt the kids have no structure and the kods were tired being at the hospital for 9am as they go to bed when they want which is an average midnight to 2am. The mums words were quoted as having no structure. They also didnt have alarms and got up when they pleased. The kids kept entirely to themselves and the parents. The mum also took a telephone call to tell them her mother in law didnt have dementia. Something in which she believed she was medically sound enough to diagnose without a second opinion. She was very over bearing. Wouldnt stop talking and believed herself to be some kind of earth mother. She also commented on how she also had a giant tough table she hadnt used for years buried somewhere in the back garden so im guessing she let her garden become a wild flower space of nettles
DameKumquat@reddit
They often do one check, to confirm the kid is alive and the parents seem vaguely functional. Had a nice cup of tea with them.
I ended up homeschooling after secondary schools couldn't cope with my autistic kids (and vice versa). If the kids could just go into classes and leave at lunch, they'd likely cope, but no. that's against safeguarding...
My council has one woman (part-time) responsible for all secondary kids with EHCPs who aren't in a suitable school placement. That's 400 SEN kids, mostly neurodiverse, at least half want to be in a school but either no school will take them or they are too traumatized to cope with school - or both. So they're mostly counted as homeschooled, whether the parents want to or not.
If you are homeschooling only because there is no suitable placement, you are entitled to a personal budget. But believe me they don't like doing that!
I've met about 50 homeschooling parents, most of whom have one or more kids in school, or have had. I would lay money on 99% of the kids and most of the parents also being autistic, ADHD or with associated anxiety.
Profession-Unable@reddit
To be fair, schools don’t have to follow the national curriculum if they are academies. Most do because it makes national tests easier to access but they don’t have to.
HomeworkInevitable99@reddit
Parents can get away with practically anything when they home school. That has always been the case.
Home schooling is supposedly regulated but the number of children that have been taken out of home schooling and made to go back to school is very low.
GreenComfortable927@reddit
I home schooled one of mine. I actually employed tutors to come to my home for some subjects, though. He is now in a 14-16 course at college.
I was asked to provide a full report, with evidence, to my local authority, which I complied with.
Wonderful-Bonus5439@reddit
All children have to have an “education” and local authorities have different ways of checking this. Officially, there is no legal requirement for parents to actually cooperate with the LA, although most LAs will make it seem as though meeting with them or sending an annual report (of your learning, resources, and future plans) is a legal requirement.
If you provide 0 evidence of an education and refuse to respond to the LA, they can take parents to court and children can be made to go to school by a judge.
This is rare without other safeguarding concerns in place. Most kids slip through the cracks - particularly if they were never enrolled at a school, or if they’ve moved counties.
mackerel_slapper@reddit
Home schooled my daughter for a while last year. She was at school with a bunch of little shits who made her sad and she is now happy in another school.
Basically: as long as you doing something, it’s fine. We sent the council a list of what we’d done / planned to do and her extra curricular stuff, and that was it. Bloke in town set up a business and home schools son there, teaching him how to run a business.
So yes, as a responsible parent it seemed unregulated.
_Harpic@reddit
There are 2 home schooled boys near me in Scotland who clearly have zero education. One is aged for primary, one is aged for secondary.
Both are incredibly socially inept and cause a lot of trouble outside, mainly vandalism although the older one threatening younger kids physically or talking about being "redpilled" "bluepilled" and all that rubbish.
Whatever currently exists aren't helping these two poor boys, only leading to worse events down the line.
pixieorfae@reddit
It is completely unregulated which has its pros and cons. I was homeschooled from 2009-2022 and my experience was a positive one.
Trash_Panda_Leaves@reddit
They usually have to present proof but it varies council by council yes. Homeschooled children often have higher grades but suffer socially - which some home-schooling parents mitigate with frequent clubs and events.
The national curriculum is a very helpful guide, from home schoolers I know of most buy textbooks and work through them, unless they are dedicated to other things.
A significant portion of children being home-schooled are unable to engage with the national curriculum so it is unsuitable for their needs.
PolarLocalCallingSvc@reddit
Yes it's pretty unregulated on the whole. As long as you're actually giving them full time education and it's not utterly absurd, you're fine.
Note that this is the case for a lot of schools now also. For example, academies do not have to follow the national curriculum either.
MountainMuffin1980@reddit
Kind of yeah. However, if you are going to home school you have to let your local authority know do you'll be added to a register. And they will usually check in with you /your child to make sure they are receiving a suitable education.
It's worth noting though that home schooling is incredibly rare for most kids without special needs, outside of roma/gypsy/travellers communities.
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