Microsoft raises prices of their Surface PCs by up to 500$ due to DRAM/NAND crysis
Posted by DerpSenpai@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 180 comments
| Category | Starting price in 2024 | Starting price in 2025 | Starting price in 2026 |
|---|---|---|---|
| Surface Pro 13-inch | $999 for Snapdragon X Plus, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD | $1,199 for Snapdragon X Plus, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD | $1,499 for Snapdragon X Plus, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD |
| Surface Pro 12-inch | N/A | $799 for Snapdragon X Plus, 16GB RAM, 256GB UFS | $1,049 for Snapdragon X Plus, 16GB RAM, 256GB UFS |
| Surface Laptop 13-inch | N/A | $899 for Snapdragon X Plus, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD | $1,199 for Snapdragon X Plus, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD |
| Surface Laptop 13.8-inch | $999 for Snapdragon X Plus, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD | $1,199 for Snapdragon X Plus, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD | $1,499 for Snapdragon X Plus, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD |
| Surface Laptop 15-inch | $1,299 for Snapdragon X Elite, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD | $1,499 for Snapdragon X Elite, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD | $1,599 for Snapdragon X Elite, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD |
This means for the same config , surface prices have gone up by 250$/300$
Windows Central Title at the time of post : "Microsoft reveals major price increases for all Surface PCs as RAM crisis continues: Flagships now $500 more expensive than at launch"
PastaPandaSimon@reddit
I had three Surface devices, and all three had serious issues. They were trying to be Macbook clones, but sadly none of them had the quality of performance of the Macbooks. They were priced as if they did, though! Windows' sole win was the legacy software support, and then they drop it making the Surface line run ARM chips reducing their sole benefit. Then, at a time when the Macbook Neo makes the Surface devices basically pointless, they raise the price. I can't imagine a better strategy to accelerate the downfall of Windows and its devices if I tried.
reddit_equals_censor@reddit
apple laptops have no reliability.
apple hardware never had any reliability.
that's a factual statement.
this video makes it very clear by louis rossmann:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUaJ8pDlxi8
apple has an endless mountain of engineering flaws in their shity hardware and the hardware is also designed to be as unservicable and repairable as possible, so any engineering flaws are also a vastly bigger problem then.
like oh idk using keyboards in laptops, that are EXTREMELY unreliable and part of class action lawsuits. remember again that the issue was not just the extremely unreliable keybpards, but that apple made the keyboard as unreplaceable as possible. bolting on the keyboards to the frames, instead of what a sane company would use, which would be screws.
and after this was all a well known issue, they just released more products with the broken keyboards, because of course.
and apple will always deny the issue exists, then claim, that the issue is extremely limited in another lie and delete posts about it in their forum, etc... etc..
until in lots of cases a class action lawsuit forces them to take some responsibility.
so again apple laptops are the least reliable garbage, that one can buy.
fraaaaa4@reddit
My devices were similar too. Although I have to say now they’re quite old, but:
pmjm@reddit
I own a single Surface tablet and am currently running into an issue where it won't boot, just flashes the windows logo for about 5 seconds then powers off. I think the battery will no longer hold a charge, which according to my research, bricks the device. They can't be opened without cracking the screen.
ConsistencyWelder@reddit
Exactly. I went through the same problems, no tech repair shops would touch it, and when I tried doing it myself I cracked the screen despite being careful. Apparently it's made of warm butter.
Batteries are perishables, designing a device that turns into a brick once it no longer works should be illegal. You're creating unnecessary e-waste.
CarlosChampion@reddit
I’m in the same boat. I’ve had 2 surface pro’s and a surface laptop. They’ve all had their issues. I would have been way better off with a Thinkpad
ConsistencyWelder@reddit
I've had 3, 2x Surface Book and a Surface Pro. Only one of them didn't die from the spicy pillow syndrome, all of them have issues with the touch screen, keyboard, disconnection issues...
allahakbau@reddit
Lots of own goals lol
nithrean@reddit
at least the downfall of microsoft and its devices. I am not sure that every manufacturer is following in their footsteps.
SunfireGaren@reddit
Unless you really, really, really need windows, why get this over a MacBook air or pro?
reddit_equals_censor@reddit
you are asking the wrong question.
why get this over anything else?
why get this over a light thinkpad with an lpcamm2 modules and an x86 processor, so you can in the future throw in more memory and your applications actually run and you can put in how much storage you want yourself.
or a framework laptop.
or like any laptop, that just comes with 32 GB or lets you get 32 GB speced for 200 us dollars or so more during this shit time.
if you're wondering microsoft charges 1250 us dollars more to go from 16 GB to 32 GB memory...
DerpSenpai@reddit (OP)
They haven't updated (yet) to the X2 SKUs but they are preparing for it. If these prices are the same for the X2 SKUs, it's still good value
Even_Caterpillar3292@reddit
The Neo is unmatched for almost no key travel.
Tasty-Traffic-680@reddit
Because people really really really don't want to deal with their title bar buttons being on the wrong side and color coded instead of using symbols.
Learning a new OS aside, no MacBook comes with a touchscreen or cellular modem built in, windows has better integration with android and other non-apple products, running non-native software is more seemless and there's better integration with Microsoft services and enterprise management tools.
nicuramar@reddit
This is an entirely subjective statement and is just a matter of habit.
Stock-Trainer-3216@reddit
No shit.
taxiscooter@reddit
This is an observable fact in large enough populations. Mac OS has had incredible penetration of American education and workplaces and strong synergy with iOS for decades, but it just doesn't translate into private market share, because the UI is just too different. Something like 40-50% of American college students get Macbooks for their freshman year, usually as gifts, but then where are they later in life? There's a reason the best place to find used Macs are university towns, and not all of them are gamers. There's also about a dozen paid taskbar apps now too.
GHz-Man@reddit
It has nothing to do with "the buttons being on the other side of the window" lmao
Most companies use Windows, so of course if you graduate college and go to work at a company that uses exclusively Windows, that's not a huge surprise.
But in terms of actual installed base market share (not new sales) Macs are about 25% in the US and 15% worldwide.
crshbndct@reddit
Don't bother. The amount of astroturfing in these threads is actually hilarious.
GHz-Man@reddit
I've literally never heard anyone describe the MacOS menu buttons as confusing. Aside from the fact that the symbols appear when you roll over them with your cursor, it's a traffic light.
Red = close, yellow = minimize, green = maximize
Is this really something a large number of people are asking for?
Everyone I've seen who has a Windows laptop with a touchscreen often forgets it even is a touchscreen, they use it so rarely.
Poking at a vertical screen with your finger isn't very useful:
https://youtu.be/7zfir0Ide0A
Why would I want that? It's just another $50/month subscription from your wireless carrier.
My phone plan already includes free personal hotspot at no additional charge.
InevitableSherbert36@reddit
Are you really paying that much for data?
jenny_905@reddit
Is it really that hard to fathom someone might want things you don't?
Tasty-Traffic-680@reddit
Did it ever occur to you that you just might not be the target audience? Why do people get so tripped up over other people having different tastes and preferences?
Due-Yogurtcloset-552@reddit
some people, if not ALOT of people simply dont like or use Mac.
Swoly_Deadlift@reddit
Microsoft is sure doing a great job at making Windows bad to the point where even Mac haters consider switching
ob_knoxious@reddit
I don't know if it's a lot anymore.
Enterprise and gamers won't move but for the remaining average computer user it's exceptionally rare someone has a workflow that in Windows only and sentiment is extremely negative on Windows 11 right now. I know several lifetime PC users who have gotten Mac's in the apple silicon era.
Due-Yogurtcloset-552@reddit
mac only maintains 16% market share, and 60 for windows. the world is still very much a windows world
ob_knoxious@reddit
I mean yeah you aren't going to undo 40 years of dominance in 5 years, and the corporate world is never going to move off of Windows because ActiveDirectory is too deeply embedded and Apple's enterprise management tools are weak.
But for individual sales? Apple has been surging the last few years and they are going to have the Neo this year which will sell like hotcakes. They had almost 10% growth in Mac sales last year, jumped up to being the 4th biggest PC seller and thats without the huge corporate deals that make up the bulk of sales for Dell HP and Lenovo.
GPS_07@reddit
Because it's actually usable as a tablet
RepresentativeArtist@reddit
You can get a MacBook Neo, an iPad Air and a pair of AirPods Pro 3 and still have $50 for dinner vs the cheapest Surface.
-Glittering-Soul-@reddit
And as an alternative to the Neo, you can also get a refurbed M2, M3, or M4 Macbook Air for around the same price as a Neo that will have:
The CPU cooling of the Neo consists of a dab of thermal paste underneath a sheet of graphene. No heatsink, no heatpipes, nothing.
theholylancer@reddit
i think the goal is to both have a laptop, and a tablet, because that is one of the killer features of the surface pro
a full fledged tablet with a proper OS and not limited by app stores and etc.
but yeah neo + ipad and well there is your combo there...
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
Comparing to second hand is stupid, not everyone has access to the same deals.
-Glittering-Soul-@reddit
I'm talking about the average street price for a pre-owned Macbook Air, not any special discounts.
Munchbit@reddit
The Air is also passively cooled though. Is the throttling affecting the Neo much more than the Air?
sigga_genesis@reddit
Yes, surface area matters
thesecretbarn@reddit
I really like the Surface, but I used mine as a portable laptop about 99% of the time.
dingyametrine@reddit
And I used mine as a tablet 99% of the time - it was my drawing tablet before touchscreen tablets were accessible. Different use cases, different target demographics v(._.)v we have an iPad now but it's actually a huge downgrade imo.
NapsterKnowHow@reddit
I used my Surface Pro 3 throughout college to write notes. It was so nice.
thesecretbarn@reddit
That’s a good point. One Note is really good on a surface. I don’t use it but I have seen others do so.
RealJyrone@reddit
One Note in general is amazing.
Not many great alternatives exist unfortunately.
OliveBranchMLP@reddit
notion has eclipsed onenote for me, easily. notes are much more powerful and you can add metadata to them.
Hugogs10@reddit
Notion doesn't support handwriting notes.
thesecretbarn@reddit
Is there a comparable Mac alternative yet? The last time I looked into it there wasn’t.
theunspillablebeans@reddit
Isn't that more a case of people who aren't actually going to use the tablet function buying the wrong device than an issue with the device itself? (pricing aside).
PXLShoot3r@reddit
Windows is not usable as a tablet.
Lower_Fan@reddit
The surface pro is a really bad tablet and a worse laptop.
A regular laptop and if you really like really want a tablet an iPad would be better even if you have to get mid range laptop and base iPad for the price of a single surface pro.
NapsterKnowHow@reddit
I'd recommend a Galaxy Tab over an iPad
Educational_Yard_326@reddit
I think you’re alone on that one
NapsterKnowHow@reddit
Nope
FlyingBishop@reddit
I don't know about the current comparison, but I've heard professional artists claim Phtoshop + Surface is excellent as a drawing tablet. To the point that it's superior to Apple. I'm sure iPad is improving but my guess would be Photoshop/Surface is still better, and better than Photoshop/Mac.
elkond@reddit
ipads are an abandoned platform which u can notice by opening random apps that scale like they are on iphone
and the camera is ABYSMAL LIKE HOLY SHIT APPLE
ipad m2 pro, i havent regretted buying anything else as much as that trash
jamesick@reddit
anecdotal but my mum recently tried getting into learning about computers at a basic level and got herself a semi-decent laptop but didn’t get far with it, then i bought her a surface and she’s obsessed with it and has done her wonders.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
Buy an iPad and an MacBook for the same price and have two great devices for their intended use and not just one mediocre one.
PlainPrecision@reddit
For the price of Surface Pro, you can get BOTH an iPhone 17 Air and a MacBook Neo.
Tablets serve a weird space where they’re not really good at doing neither work things that demand a laptop, nor mobile things that demand a phone.
klayona@reddit
Have you tried taking math notes on a Macbook? Before I switched to typing LaTeX notes, I wrote them on a Surface and it was excellent, plus I could use the same device for my CS classes as a laptop.
PlsDntPMme@reddit
I’m going to see if I can somehow get my boss to let me get an iPad Air 11” for work notes and SideCar (display extension) for my 14” Mac when traveling. I’ve been playing with one I bought myself and it’s nifty for what it is. The note taking aspect is nice however that glossy screen sucks ass. I need a matte screen protector.
Not worth it for the price outright, but I’m definitely going to use it for playing Civilization while on trips.
PlainPrecision@reddit
Keep in mind that you need to login with your Apple ID on your work MacBook AND iPad Air for Sidecar to work.
I refuse to use my personal Apple ID on my work MacBook.
PlsDntPMme@reddit
Supposedly the new Apple business management tools may allow for both?
I should clarify that we’re an exceptionally tiny operation of less than five people. There’s certainly some pitfalls to navigate here, though.
kermityfrog2@reddit
Some of the Surfaces are not tablets and can’t be used as one.
GHz-Man@reddit
I never understood why people liked touch screen laptops.
Unless it folds over and converts into a tablet, poking at a vertical touch screen doesn't seem very useful.
Apple themselves even said it doesn't make sense, though they are apparently planning to add touch screens to their laptops soon.
https://youtu.be/7zfir0Ide0A
airfryerfuntime@reddit
I mean, to an extent. Windows 11 sucks to use in tablet mode.
kdrdr3amz@reddit
Better to be an expert than a jack of all trades. Dedicated laptop and tablet that is great > a device that can do both but is not great at either.
CalmSpinach2140@reddit
Nah, the surface is horrible tablet
Spl00ky@reddit
I would assume price increases are coming for Apple products too
ob_knoxious@reddit
The new MB air prices came out like a month ago and while they cut the base model they moved the prices down for other models.
Apple made stupid margins on RAM and it seems they are comfortable making less margin to gain market share over Windows computers now.
R-ten-K@reddit
Maybe, but also Apple has a much much stronger supply chain.
Surface devices in comparison are tiny volume. So MS has nowhere near the same control when it comes to component pricing.
FollowingFeisty5321@reddit
Apple has reportedly already had to agree to pay twice as much for Samsung memory, their 36% hardware margins should be able to carry this to an extent.... but defending and growing those margins is also top priority.
https://www.macrumors.com/2026/02/26/apple-agrees-100-price-hike-samsung-ram/
soru_baddogai@reddit
Good time for Apple to increase their marketshare I guess.
coldblade2000@reddit
Clearly visible by the MacBook Neo. They're probably barely profiting, but it will annihilate the cheap light laptop market
soru_baddogai@reddit
The chipset is pretty much failed a iphone 16 chipset os it was pretty much free money for Apple.
Hot-Software-9396@reddit
Microsoft definitely buys a lot of hardware to supply their data centers.
R-ten-K@reddit
That is a completely different business unit though, and the HW is not for consumer market.
Hot-Software-9396@reddit
The hardware orders are likely coming from the same supplier/factory, no?
R-ten-K@reddit
No. Laptops are on different supply chains than DC infrastructure.
airfryerfuntime@reddit
No. I highly doubt there's really anything that crosses over between the two.
iBoMbY@reddit
How about none of the above? Why not use a proper device with a proper operating system like Linux?
Bombadilo_drives@reddit
I want a portable Outlook+Teams device that I can chat or take calls on when I'm traveling or sick of being in my basement office. A whole second laptop seems like a lot, but a tablet I can just slip into a pocket in my bag.
theholylancer@reddit
i buy older ones as my bed / cooking tablet, it has enough power to run more than just well web browsers and windows is good for running things like well utorrent and all that (which hey linux can do too so).
but yeah, if only mac os was on ipads, i think i can replace that, esp as I really dont want snapdragon as if I did that, why not at that point just macs...
chmilz@reddit
Surface sales are predominantly business/enterprise, in which case the "needs Windows" would apply assuming the business is standardized on Windows.
ScopeCreepStudio@reddit
Tablet
steelbeamsdankmemes@reddit
I'd buy a Neo over this all day.
SomeMobile@reddit
Fuck macos and apple's way of doing shit
jbwhite99@reddit
Because 90% of the world's software runs on Windows, not some random cell phone OS.
yasamoka@reddit
Other than games, name 3 pieces of software that many people use that run on Windows and not macOS.
thesecretbarn@reddit
Teams, I guess? Can do that in a browser though.
yasamoka@reddit
Teams is available for Mac and with official Microsoft documentation to boot: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/teams-client-mac-install-prerequisites
thesecretbarn@reddit
I stand corrected!
Stingray88@reddit
Teams had always existed on Mac’s
Stingray88@reddit
90% of office workers worldwide can do pretty much all their work in a browser these days.
PastaPandaSimon@reddit
That benefit is not materialized by the Surface devices, which ditched the legacy software compatibility perk by going fully ARM-based. So the software you can run well isn't much different between Macbooks and those Surface devices, except sadly, the Macbooks are all around faster, higher quality, more reliable and predictable, while costing the same or now even less.
anor_wondo@reddit
wtf. no way you're over 15
fire2day@reddit
What are you on about
randomredditor575@reddit
And 90% of peoples work gets done on browsers and spreadsheets
reddit_equals_censor@reddit
so 1600 us dollars for 16 GB of memory and 256 GB ssd? with a chip, that won't run my applications and all build by a company, that i couldn't hate more, although i am trying to hate it more every day.
wow what an enticing device.
i was able to fight myself through microsoft's horrible website to look how configurable those laptops are.
and don't worry you can go from the 1600 us dollar 16 GB 256 GB version to a 32 GB memory 1 TB version for just 2850 us dollars...
OR hear me out what about 64 GB memory, a 1 TB ssd and that will just cost you 3650 us dollars....
and seemingly all with the same arm apu, which won't run your applications.
so 16 GB more memory costs you 1250 us dollars.... what :D
for comparison going from 16 GB to 32 GB both with the framework 16 costs you 190 us dollars. this is during a memory apocalypse and that is with framework having way less power to handle things than big evil microsoft.
so 190 us dollars, which includes margins and dram apocalypse pricing already and then microsoft just goes... 1250 us dollars...
___
who in the world is this microsoft e-waste shit for?
yourname92@reddit
Mac doesn’t have the program compatibility for some. And the UI sucks.
Tax_Life@reddit
What about the UI sucks? It's different in some areas but it's not bad. Have you actually tried it for some time?
yourname92@reddit
I’ve owned a MacBook Pro for about 3 or so years. I’ve use Ubuntu as well as windows. iPhone user for like 5 or 6 years. The close, minimize , and max buttons are tiny, the window snap is kinda slow. The app, file, folder icons just go anywhere. There’s no rhyme or reason to it. Press click and hold to drag is clunky. The settings menu sucks. The top menu bar for apps sucks. Apple Music interface sucks. Photos interface sucks. Clicking on a picture in a file you can just scroll through them, you have to add it to the photos app. Shortcuts are more like Morse code for simple stuff even. Like print screen. I know it has more features but dang.
The hardware is fantastic. The software could use more more thought. Any app that’s not native doesn’t do the best.
ConsistencyWelder@reddit
And the biggest flaw of all: lack of compatibility and a completely walled garden.
IvanXQZ@reddit
iOS/iPadOS is a walled garden. How is macOS? You can run any software you want. It’s true that software that hasn’t been signed and notarized via Apple’s developer methods you get hassled about, but you’re not prevented from running it; you just click Allow in system settings, or enter a terminal command if you prefer, and that’s that, the quarantine is removed and it’ll run normally forever afterwards.
Probably the one meaningful thing you can’t do is run an alternate OS natively rather than in a VM — and technically it’s possible, without hacking, as Asahi Linux has proven, but since Apple doesn’t document the chip at the level it needs to be for an OS developer, there aren’t really options.
Tax_Life@reddit
I use Rectangle to resize windows, you just hold a shortcut and drag the mouse in a certain direction to snap/fullscreen/split the window, the pro version is a few bucks. There's also a free version with limited functionality.
Apple Music does suck but that isn't really related to MacOS.
You can select multiple photos and press space to open them in preview to get a slideshow. I do photography as a hobby and have never used the photos app. You can also use Google photos or onedrive to manage photos on your iPhone just fine.
It's nice that you have these complaints but apparently haven't looked into any fixes for them.
yourname92@reddit
Again I stand by my statement Mac OS sucks. The fact that you need to use other programs instead of the native ones says it all.
Tax_Life@reddit
You also need third party programs on Windows if you want a functional volume mixer, you need a third party programs to switch between audio outputs with hotkeys, the search on windows is unusable. These problems can also be fixed for the most part.
You seem incapable of actually coming up with solutions to your problems or adapting how you use a mac compared to windows. I've been using both of them in parallel for around 7 years and outside of gaming I prefer the mac.
yourname92@reddit
Bro you are sitting here arguing with me on the issues I have with macOS. I repeat, the issues I have. I’m glad you can find 3rd party software for the things YOU need and want. You are coming up with things that I don’t use or need and complaining that I’m incapable of finding solutions for issues you have.
With windows I don’t need to find solutions to issues I have. That is why I said macOS sucks. Why should I find solutions to problems that shouldn’t be an issue? The things I have issues with are basic and seem intuitive to be a certain way for most people. Yet macOS is stuck in its ways and rarely changes.
Tax_Life@reddit
I literally spelled out solutions to like 3 of the "problems" you listed lol, one requiring an actual external program that's free and the others you not knowing how the OS works.
yourname92@reddit
Again, I was not coming here to get my complaints with macOS sorted out or help with it. I stated my complaints because you asked. I was not asking for your help so why are you trying to give help? Again all of this crap just because you want to give unsolicited advice for something that I was not interested in hearing. Good lord.
yourname92@reddit
Let me add more. The line to resize the windows is tiny. The way computer mice move and scroll is weird compared to windows. File manager sucks. No clear indicator of where things are located. Installing and uninstalling is complicated for no reason. I still haven’t figured out mouse pad gestures.
Munchbit@reddit
You used a Mac for three years and haven’t figured out the trackpad gestures?
I agree with some of your points, but there are others that stem from not being used to a Mac, but you used it for three years, so that doesn’t make sense.
yourname92@reddit
Let me explain
I shouldnt have to use keyboard short cuts to make them smaller especially if I just want to use one hand. The CMD+ (key) for me is awkward to use. Just make them a bit bigger. Simple.
I just cant grab a small window and put it to the top without it going to desktop option. I have to make sure i bring it to the top invisible boarder and then hold it there a second. The green maximize button makes it the whole screen. I dont want it the whole screen. Id like to see the menu bar without having to hover same for the app tray.
WIth my experience the snap to grid option doesnt work for everything or has to be enabled in every folder. Also same for desktop. I just want them to be moved into an orderly filed system on my screen when I need it.
4.Again am i missing something with making sure that if I want to push the green maximize button that I want it to go larger but not fill the screen.
What I mean by finder. I should clarify. Find items of where to store them or where they are located. Like the photos app. If I want to find a photo to attach or use I cant just bring up the location and search for the file in finder. It brings up the photos app. Or where when things are downloaded. Or when trying to find a file for an excel spreadsheet to attach it to something like and email or save it to a cloud service.
To install a file you sometimes get the option to run the program. Then you have to click and drag the file to a spot to install it. Other times you have to go through the options and not click and drag. I have had issues where I dont know if it installs or not then I need to restart my laptop and then it shows. Id also like to pick where the program gets installed something it doesnt allow me to pick.
Yes the menu bar sucks. For the fact that it doesnt always show the stuff I need then it opens the settings menu for me to change things. Sometimes it doesnt and other times it does. Then if you have two or more windows open you need to make sure the one you want to access the menu on is selected. Instead of it being on the window itself.
Shortcuts. There are multiple shortcut ways such as cmd + key, shift cmd + key. and the vast amount of them is stupid to me. cmd, crt, shft, opt, up arrow, etc.
I cant open a file with tons of photos from a camera and select one and then scroll to the next without having to do stupid shortcuts or select multiple to do that. Windows natively I can. i dont care about google apps.
I have not used the apple mouse because I dont like it. I have used multiple brands of mice and they all behave the same way. The movement does not feel natural. The acceleration speed is wonky, changing the mouse speed its self is strange, the scroll on any mouse I use is frustrating. It either scrolls to slow or way to much. I did download a program to help with that but again I shouldnt have to. If i want it to scroll two lines at a time. It should do just that. Not scroll slow and then if I scroll just a bit but unknown amount faster it will scroll incredibly fast. Its frustrating.
This is an added one. The app/ task bar at the bottom. I really want to be able to open a file and it stay where the program is after I minimize it. I dont want it going to the side. Yet this works for some but not all. Also when multiple windows are open I should be able to see that I have multiple open such as word docs or emails. I have to double click and read each one. In windows you get to see what you have.
Tax_Life@reddit
Mouse movement does suck but again there are programs that completely fix that like linear mouse.
Asleep_Mortgage_7711@reddit
Windows management on Mac is still god awful. Some design elements date back to the 80’s too
itsjust_khris@reddit
I've never found so may negative opinions about Surface devices until I see their reception on Reddit. Are build quality issues common? Between family and friends I've heard feedback about 8 surface laptops and tablets and they've all been solid besides the laptop that had the tablet use a special hinge to connect. Even the new Snapdragon laptops which this sub swears are horrible and useless work great, way better standby time then most likely any Windows laptop besides a few of the very best Intel devices, graphics drivers have gotten tons better (games like Doom 2016 and Eternal are playable), excellent battery life, very great performance on battery, they're still way closer to the ARM MacBook experience then any x86 laptop IMO. Most programs just work now or have an ARM version. And it's gotten better every year. This sub treats the new Snapdragon parts like Surface RT was back in the day, in reality the experience is quite smooth.
nithrean@reddit
Why would they change prices when it is very clearly time for a new update of the specs and not just raise them then?
Lower_Fan@reddit
Microsoft cares less about surface than google does about pixel. They take their sweet time updating devices and often just skip generations of cpus
the_excalibruh@reddit
I used to work for Microsoft and honestly the Surface team is full of pretentious people obsessing over design. They care more about how the device looks and feels physically than they do about whether it’s performant or competitive.
Gloomy_Necesary@reddit
Looks and feel are what sell laptops to 90% of the population. They’re performant enough
bogglingsnog@reddit
It's actually amazing they haven't cancelled the Surface like they have almost all of their other successful products.
tupakkarulla@reddit
The difference is that surface hasn’t been successful so they can’t cancel it :D
In all seriousness, surface has been a money pit forever to basically just have a product line of the “best” windows can offer.
iluvchromosomes@reddit
Surface is more successful in business and enterprise than reddit is aware or will admit. Surface is the Macbook equivalent for managers and executives that need to use Windows for technical reasons. I mean this strictly from an aesthetic perspective. It is minimalist and sleek and runs MS Office. That is all most people need. And they sell more than you think.
Gloomy_Necesary@reddit
I know 2 people who have them and they’ve been great and reliable sleek machines. I tried em out myself and i have to say theyre quite impressive. Not sure where the reddit hate boner is coming from
-protonsandneutrons-@reddit
So how successful is Surface? Microsoft has refused to publish Surface revenue separately since 2022, when Surface added $7 billion in annual revenue. In 2022, globally, Apple made \~$29 billion revenue on Macs, Lenovo IDG made \~$49 billion revenue, Dell CSG made \~$58 billion, and HP Personal Systems made \~$35 billion.
Even among the Big Four, Microsoft made \~3% the revenue on PCs. It's verifiably tiny.
"more successful than what reddit thinks" → success is defined as what? Sales? Revenue? Profit? Market share? What other redditors think is a useless benchmark.
Surface global market share in 2022 was 1.7% and declining. That is far less than virtually every other vendor.
That is frankly much less than I thought.
rkoy1234@reddit
except in microsoft itself where everybody uses a lenovo p1s lmao
bogglingsnog@reddit
lol yup
redimkira@reddit
Easy. When they release the new specs the news are not going to be about raising the prices.
I don't like it less than you do, but that's how I see it.
jay-mini@reddit
like ps5
DerpSenpai@reddit (OP)
To not fuck over the reviews of the next gen
Alternative-Farmer98@reddit
Imagine they want the headlines about the price increase now instead of two or three months when they're launching the new products
Full-Ad2469@reddit
They are setting up the baseline for those new devices, so you can already imagine how those will be priced. If they set expectations now, the reaction will be more tamed once those come out at a stupid price
1RedOne@reddit
Every model of Surface is shit. I have a max spec surface laptop and boy is it shit
ConsistencyWelder@reddit
I bought 3 surface devices, I used to be a fan of the form factor, two Surface Books and a Surface Pro. 2 out of 3 died of the spicy pillow syndrome, but they had so many issues anyway I was kind of relieved to have an excuse to replace them. Faulty touch screens that only worked on parts of the screens, keyboards that kept alternating which keys didn't work today, a tablet that kept refusing to connect and disconnect...they were such a pain to live with.
1RedOne@reddit
The worst thing about my MacBook Pro is the os but in every other way it’s absolutely amazing. I’ve had top spec XPS machines and surfaces and it’s uniformly bad
AloysBane3@reddit
That’s the price of a MacBook Neo
ConsistencyWelder@reddit
You don't get RAM with the Neo though.
AloysBane3@reddit
8 gb is plenty for light use
ConsistencyWelder@reddit
Just what I needed: another reason no longer to buy Surface products.
Been burned by their shoddy build quality 3 times now. I might not be the quickest, but I eventually do get it.
bhop_monsterjam@reddit
A bad deal, now even worse
NightFuryToni@reddit
Since when is "Crysis" the normal spelling?
LegoGuy23@reddit
I'm assuming they spelled it that way because they read the videogame title?
I was surprised I had to scroll this far down to see someone mention this.
giantoads@reddit
Didn't the prices of ram just crashed recently?
DerpSenpai@reddit (OP)
No, those are spot pricing for consumers, for corps it has been rising QoQ
Vooshka@reddit
Had an SP8. That thing was utter garbage. Fans running constantly, battery life was crap. RMA'd it, and it was still crap.
Got a ThinkPad X9-15. Man that thing absolutely rocks.
Popular_Tomorrow_204@reddit
How did Apple Release the neo Version for 599-699 then?
gjt1337@reddit
Main advantage is „free” cpus by binning process from iphones.
pdp10@reddit
The Pinebook Pro used quick RK3399 smartphone SoCs with a mostly-magnesium chassis at a launch price of $199. Microsoft didn't compete against that any more successfully than they're now competing against iPad or Macbook Neo.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
The MacBook Neo's single core performance is better than any AMD or Intel CPU on sale right now at any price point so its not the same situation as the Pinebook at all. The Pinebook was worse than any other laptop sold at the time or any time in the last 10 years.
jekpopulous2@reddit
I hear you but the MacBook Neo is literally 10x more powerful than the Pinebook Pro so the situation is a bit more dire. Honestly don’t think the Surface will be around much longer but I doubt Microsoft cares.
Popular_Tomorrow_204@reddit
I guess you could see it that way. But they are still incrediblely strong for that...
77ilham77@reddit
If they had to pay for the SoC, that's add up to what, 100-150 bucks? that would make it a 700-800 bucks laptop, which pretty much on par with the rest of their lineups.
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
Economies of scale
PossiblyAussie@reddit
Apple is the worst greatest logistics company.
Asleep_Mortgage_7711@reddit
They are in this pickle because the line sells like shit and they clearly didn’t buy up enough in the prior years. They would be best served to just end their hardware business. Price hikes aren’t going to magically improve their outcomes. Microsoft needs to the surface line to be cheaper while providing the same hardware. It’s the only way it makes any sense.
d0aflamingo@reddit
the surface pro 12 after price increase is like a sui(ide by price gouage
JaktheAce@reddit
You can pick up 1 year old Surface's on FB marketplace in perfect condition for half price. Best deal ever.
1RedOne@reddit
It’s for sale because it’s shit
Terrible thermal management and throttling and a useless internal gpu configuration where the internal gpu is used only in laptop mode or with the surface dock
This line of business has run its course, Sinovsky and others who were behind the line of business and the dream of Microsoft stores that kept up with Apple stores have all left or retired, it’s had its run
NapsterKnowHow@reddit
The Surface line is the only successful hardware Microsoft sells nowadays.
Hot-Software-9396@reddit
They’ve sold something like 30 million Series X/S consoles this gen.
pdp10@reddit
Like they said, "successful hardware".
Hot-Software-9396@reddit
30+ million units sold is not successful?
jigsaw1024@reddit
Depends on if you count actually making money on the hardware as successful or not.
Xbox hardware sells for a loss most of the time, and close to break even at best. Even current gen with all their price hikes isn't making 'real' money as far as big picture at MS is concerned.
OliveBranchMLP@reddit
i don't. if the console is a loss leader for ecosystem buy-in via software and subscription sales, then the attachment rate is the more important statistic.
...but i don't think Microsoft is doing all that well in that department either. rip
shaunydub@reddit
Microsoft never make sense...Surface Duo might have got some market share and survived if they dropped the price but no they keep their "Surface is premium" mindset thinking it will sell itself when most people don't care about or possible know about Surface let alone consider it a premium product.
LavenderDay3544@reddit
A crisis that Microsoft was heavily involved in causing. Boycott all of its products.
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
You're boycotting Nvidia/intel & amd as well?
LavenderDay3544@reddit
All I need is my trusty Texas Instruments.
gokarrt@reddit
this is basically the same thing they did with the xbox, isn't it? it's a low volume, older product that no one really cares about - might as well not lose money on them.
ntwrkmntr@reddit
Useless device with useless SoC :)
timfountain4444@reddit
Oh well, good job I wasn't planning on buying any more Surface machines. I have 2 sitting in my cupboard in my office.
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
Margins must continue flowing
nosurprisespls@reddit
They looked like standard increases to me with/without RAM shortage ... maybe shortage affect it a little. MS just want their 15% increase in profit every year.
colonelc4@reddit
Windows is dead no matter what you say, especially for this kind of machines that can't game, today any workload can be done on MacOS or Linux for way cheaper and faster.
0riginal-Syn@reddit
Just going to stick with my old Surface Go 3 and Linux. Still running great.
No_Figure_6287@reddit
I need a surface with Intel panther lake b390 graphics. I’ll pay the premium.
Saranhai@reddit
It’ll be interesting to see what the Intel prices will be. Now with these new higher prices, the Intel variants only cost $200 more
Front_Expression_367@reddit
The premium will be likely to be much more than these Snapdragon SKUs are already, seeing as how last year's Lunar Lake SKUs were heavily upcharged as well for "business" reasons.
KangarooBeard@reddit
Thank God I purchased a Neo, should hold me for a few years.
Robot1me@reddit
That price bump alone would buy one a Steam Deck, holy...
allahakbau@reddit
People werent buying those in large quantities before the raise
pmjm@reddit
It's a relatively specialized device, and unless you specifically need a Surface, raising the price by the entire cost of a Macbook Neo is a bold move in 2026.
RatRaceRunner@reddit
But will it run crisis?
starcube@reddit
In crysis mode only.