I absolutely hate to admit this but, re: Karens
Posted by nd379@reddit | Xennials | View on Reddit | 315 comments
I've always been a pretty meek and chill gal. I hate confrontation with every fiber in my being. Or, I should say I used to.
In the last 6 months, I've become so upset and infuriated with society that it takes everything in me not to speak up. I've been seeing so much absolute shit behavior by others that I'm just constantly irritated now. For example, I stayed the night in a very nice hotel on Friday night, which I paid good money for. I got into bed Friday night in the dark and promptly fell asleep. When I woke in the morning, I realized I'd just spent the night sleeping on a pillow with mold stains all over the pillowcase. Disgusting. When I checked out Saturday morning, I showed the front desk girl, and all she said was, “Eww, I'll tell the housekeeping manager as soon as I can,” and then continued checking me out. Wtf?! Am I wrong for expecting more?
This was right after eating at a super cool, nice restaurant, where I ended the dinner telling my partner to tip only 10% because the waitress was a bitch who couldn't have acted like we were inconveniencing her more with our presence. As a former waitress in my youth, I don't believe in tipping less than 10%.
I mean, this was all just in 2 days last weekend. I could go on and on. I'm starting to avoid going out in public at all.
Is anyone else going through this or noticing this? Am I overreacting? Help me, fellow peers
jaywinner@reddit
Karens yell for a manager when they get exactly what they asked for but it's not what they wanted.
Expecting not to sleep in mold isn't asking too much.
meltedchocolatepants@reddit
The term Karen has been generalized to every woman making a complaint. It should be ended
It's misogyny dressed up in a bob haircut with the back shorter than the funny.
noblewind@reddit
I told my kids it's a cuss word and not to say it unless they actually want to call someone a bitch, because that's exactly what it's turned into.
truefriend29@reddit
"Karens" can get PRETTY BAD, point blank!!! They tend to get pretty hot about AT LEAST 1 bad thing, even for something I wasn't taught in school about (I'm a mentally challenged guy, so I've seen it)!!!🤬😡
neurobeegirl@reddit
Some guy a couple years ago rolled down his window and called me a Karen for . . . honking after he blew past me and cut me off at a lane merge?!? Yes how dare I not to want to get in a car crash with a jerk? The audacity. It's definitely at least in part misogyny.
heykatja@reddit
100% - it’s a catchy way to make women afraid to be assertive
CheesaLouisa@reddit
This, so much this!!!
BringBackHUAC@reddit
Not to mention every Karen I've met in real life has been perfectly normal, if not genuinely lovely. Like I'm sure someone could come up with an actual WORD to go with the behavior, instead of commandeering an innocent personal name. 🙄
PuppyJakeKhakiCollar@reddit
Every Karen I know has been super nice except for one. My theory is that Karen was Karen Zero and is the reason this whole thing started in the first place.
Sufficient_Turn_9209@reddit
This sent me because my 86 year old mother's name is Karen. We went on a family ladies trip a few years ago. At one of our restaurant stops my sister made the comment that she was about to go Karen on the manager, and my mom was genuinely confused. When we explained what it meant she was appalled. She's the kindest, loveliest, most long suffering woman I know. I think it actually bothered her! But it was also a funny story to tease her with every now and then. In a sweet way, of course!
jenesia-CakeEatnNPC-@reddit
o so u know my aunt? 🤣
Smolshy@reddit
Is your aunt my mom’s best friend? Are there 2 Karen Zeros? Oh god…
jenesia-CakeEatnNPC-@reddit
🤷🏼 she might be.. we dont live in the same town so i honestly dk BUT i DO know even her own brother calls her The Wicked Witch of the West!
Smolshy@reddit
Pretty sure I know her
BringBackHUAC@reddit
Maybe! Dang her! 😂
jjmawaken@reddit
Same here, ever Karen I've known has been super sweet
jedediahl3land@reddit
Yeah but I like the OP's move to reclaim "Karen" to mean "a lady speaking her mind." My partner is a 40ish woman with a bob haircut and when she needs to state a customer service complaint, I cheer her on with the cry of "RELEASE THE KAREN!"
Miami_Mice2087@reddit
I don't think 'karen' needs to be reclaimed bc it always referred to a white woman using her priveledge to get a POC fired or arrested. That's a thing that happens. Black workers should be able to talk about that.
But we can also talk about when service is so bad we need to talk to a manager and we're not being unreasonable or trying to get someone unfairly fired.
jedediahl3land@reddit
Yeah man, the whole reducing everything to a racial binary and having set stereotypes about whole races is the thing that needs to be abandoned. The fact that there isn't a name for entitled men is also something you should reconsider. GTFO with this 2020-ass take. The vibe has shifted.
Canesjags4life@reddit
Lol shifted how? There are still rooms of white women that use their privilege on the daily exactly how the other poster described.
Wasn't "Ken" used for a bit especially after the Barbie movie?
Miami_Mice2087@reddit
I say bob. It's an extremely common suburban white boomer name. Never met a bob who couldn't make himself a problem
jedediahl3land@reddit
First off, google "vibe shift," it's a shorthand for the rejection of 2016-2022 "woke" discourse. I put that in quotes because I can think of many positive ideas and changes in that time that are also called "woke" that I fully support. But somewhere along the way, some of the solid, good-intentioned principles of many educated people driving this discourse ("listen to people who have this experience instead of projecting your own"( into something that was mean-sprited, divisive ("only people of this group/experience have authority here, anyone else with an opinion is ipso facto wrong). Many online people (sometimes non-white but more often white) started demanding that the entire world be understood through the kind of racially essentialist claims like the ones you are making. It turns out that, yeah, it's shitty to assume that negative attributes are widely shared by an entire group of people, even when those people (gasp) white. It's an illiberal rejection of solid antiracist principles (content of character > color of skin) and it's also, in a more vibesy-sense, just played out as hell. Open season on white women has closed, go put your gun away.
avalonfaith@reddit
I like this, and therefore I like you.
Miami_Mice2087@reddit
back atcha!
dreamyduskywing@reddit
It didn’t always refer to that. It used to just be a name. The Karen I know is extremely kind and works with disabled children for her career.
Miami_Mice2087@reddit
I know, I am close to your age. I had Karen friends growing up too. It's a cultural bogeyman now.
Canesjags4life@reddit
Asking for a manager in an appropriate situation isn't being a Karen though.
Canacarirose@reddit
Release the KracKaren!
So ladies on this sub, perimenopause is happening now.
Now Now, not then, but Now.
This sort of rage is common during these years and getting ahead of it is typically good. HRT-FTW
BelleMom@reddit
Omg, yes! My Dr just put me on bc pills for the hormones, just started them so no real change yet. Also, she recommended the book “The New Perimenopause” but I don’t remember who wrote it. Anyone know?
neonblackiscool@reddit
Bc might be fine but please push for hrt if it doesn’t help. Signed a 43 year old Karen.
pooticlesparkle@reddit
Mary Claire Haver. Sorry friend this ride sucks and I wan off it.
TrixieBastard@reddit
The Krakaren is already a thing in the Dungeon Crawler Carl book series 😂
Canacarirose@reddit
That was the reference I was going for and a winkwinknudgenudgesaynomore to Spaceballs in the middle
TrixieBastard@reddit
Hell yeah! You got good taste, especially with the MPFC thrown in for salt 👉😎 👉
TurboSS@reddit
Nice DCC reference!
Canacarirose@reddit
finger guns
There’s an older reference later too.
I can’t help myself…
AlchemistMustang@reddit
Underrated Clash of the Titans reference. Fuck yeah
Exciting-Argument-67@reddit
How about just not use a stereotype, and use something more universal like "asshole"?
'Karen' is now used more often than not to keep older women from speaking up at all. We should be the generation to recognize that it's not a good situation, because we're all aging into that demographic.
drainbamage1011@reddit
Yeah that's not being a Karen, that's just being assertive. "Polite but firm" usually gets better results than losing your shit and demanding people get fired or whatever.
Sufficient_Turn_9209@reddit
I don't even bother being polite but firm, or demanding, or anything anymore. Customer service is so shit everywhere that I'm at the point where I'm gushing and tipping and calling the manager to tell them how amazing their employ is on the rare occasion I experience satisfactory customer service. When it's bad... well, I mean, that's just "the way" now so my husband and I bitch about it to each other and move on. Calling it to their attention doesn't resolve anything anyway. Example OPs moldy pillow scenario. I don't eat out anymore unless it's a special occasion at a really nice restaurant (as in $200 a person nice), because Outback et all just isn't worth the disappointment and shit service. We avoid hotels and go for condo rentals instead because I'd rather do for myself in my own space than deal with paying the same amount or more just to wait 3 hours for a pillow and finally go down myself and wait another 30 for them to find housekeeping, and finally have housekeeping tell me they're out. True story. Like seriously? You're a whole hotel and you out of pillows?? If we do have to stay in one we go extra extra splurge level. I start this culture is turning me into a nihilist in some respects. It's awful.
Lucky-Remote-5842@reddit
We stayed in a hotel where there were pubic hairs on the sheet when we checked into our room. I called the front desk, the manager brought new bedding for me to put on. I stepped aside for him to do it, because WTF? I didn't pay $200 to have to make my own bed.
Another hotel, there was just a thin duvet cover on the bed, no blanket or actual duvet. I walked down to the front desk because nobody would answer the phone, and asked for a blanket. They couldn't find one. Finally a housekeeper got one out of the dryer and handed it to me. At least it was clean, but it was scratchy AF.
Miami_Mice2087@reddit
moldy pillow is a perfectly acceptable time to talk to the manager.
Personally I wouldn't complain to a manager about a rude waitress, but other people are more sensitive than me, so I would support them if they chose to. I'm from Philly, I'm used to rude, and I can dish it right back (or as I call it, "going full Jersey").
New_Stats@reddit
Lol I went full Jersey girl on a woman today. In NJ.
She tried to cut me in line then had the AUDACITY to try to tell me to move up in line when there wasn't anywhere to go.
Turns out entitled boomers are not prepared for Xennial peri menopausal rage and it is very very funny when they find out their bullshit will not be tolerated
Lucky-Remote-5842@reddit
The deer in the headlights look when confronted is priceless. I've seen it a few times myself.
unga_bunga_kid1927@reddit
It's so hard to keep the Jersey girl in check when people are acting like they are entitled etc. First of all being a Jersey girl and GEN X we are not a person to mess with. I lost my filter years ago. Do what you have to do girl. If they don't like it tell them to pound salt on the NJ turnpike. Rock on Girl
NewsgramLady@reddit
Came here to say it sounds like perimenopause ringing it's godforsaken bell. I'm going through the same shit. I have no tolerance for people or excess noise. Makes me snap.
_buffy_summers@reddit
I think it depends on what the rude behavior is.
I've seen a waiter undo his pants and tuck his shirt in while he was standing right in front of me. He had a sink next to him and he acted like I was being unreasonable for telling him to wash his hands. He tried to argue with me and I told him to be quiet and get back to work.
meizhong@reddit
Or the health department if the manager is unavailable.
Mold on a pillow is unacceptable.
sacrelicio@reddit
A real Karen would use this as ammunition to be a PITA at every hotel for the rest of her life
OreoSpamBurger@reddit
I used to work with someone like this when I traveled regularly for the job (see my other post) jfc she was awful.
miloby4@reddit
Just happened to remind me of my MIL, who is very kind and patient with everyone, food service workers etc. But hotels bring out her demon Karen over nothing. We went to her room at one, and she was upset that the clock radio (back then) wasn’t working. I just looked under the bed to see that it was unplugged and had to reach at a difficult angle to plug it back in and then reset it. She was so irritated about how the staff should have noticed and wouldn’t let it go, then overheard her complaining and demanding some concession for that incident at the front desk later.
sacrelicio@reddit
I don't get myself get that way but hotels annoy me more than anything. Not sure why.
Chakachavers@reddit
Do no harm but take no shit.
Ineedavodka2019@reddit
People like to make it out that if you stand up for yourself you are a Karen when that’s not it at all
noblewind@reddit
I wish we'd stop calling it being a Karen. Part of why it's gotten so bad is the Karen thing. Entitlement sucks but women, in particular, are now called Karen for having any concerns at all. It doesn't seem to matter how warranted it is or how politely it's brought up. This makes customers feel as if they have no recourse. Businesses know this and no longer pretend to try to make situations right.
But yes, I don't really go out anymore. I avoid spending money and time in public. The value for the price isn't there anymore.
chumbawumba_bruh@reddit
The term Karen has been weaponized by the world's most annoying people as a critique of anyone who actually stands up for themselves.
Like, does telling the boomer at the airport who is blasting tiktok vids on full volume to turn it down or use headphones make me a Karen? Maybe? But i'm not wrong.
L_wanderlust@reddit
Yeah no one will speak up anymore because they’re afraid of being a Karen 🙄 we need to stop letting people get away with bad behavior. If everyone speaks up then people will stop being so shitty in public
CupcakeGoat@reddit
It had an origin specifically for white women who were being racist towards those they deemed "beneath" them, aka service workers and any POC. But it has evolved as a tool to shut up any woman speaking up for herself.
Fickle_Wrangler_7439@reddit
As always.
nd379@reddit (OP)
From others in this thread apparently a Karen is someone who asks for a manager or escalate things even when they're being offered appropriate recompense
chumbawumba_bruh@reddit
Different people have different definitions of the term.
teaguechrystie@reddit
yeah but if you took 100 people described by others as karens, how many do you think weren't being karens
Exciting-Argument-67@reddit
My one time getting called a Karen was when I scolded a man for driving dangerously past an elementary school just as the kids were being let out for the day (basically speeding on the road's shoulder to avoid the speed bumps).
I have been speaking out about it for years now. If people are being jerks, call them assholes or bitches. A stereotype is a stereotype.
SnooStrawberries9563@reddit
Agree. Like... It's great that they're all willing to bend over. But I'm not a push over. The bullies are already feeling too comfortable in society.
Substantial-Eye-4266@reddit
The world coming apart while I'm in perimenopause is a hell of a combo for me.I have zero patience for bullshit these days.
Brewmeister83@reddit
I’ve stopped going to see movies in theaters… popcorn’s getting too expensive and I’ve got no cash left after buying tickets…
That and these days people treat the theatre like it’s their personal living room… sit the f down, shut the f up and watch the f*ing movie! That what we all paid for right? RIGHT??? I don’t want to hear about your aunt’s bunions, if you’re going to talk -loudly- then take it outside FFS…
Fickle_Wrangler_7439@reddit
I still go, but I go on the cheap days and don't buy food. I have started wearing the earplugs I normally use for metal shows though.
People aren't really that annoying around me. I hear horror stories, but I don't really see it anywhere?
jtho78@reddit
The first showing on the weekend are great to avoid jerks and tickets are under $10. I don’t buy popcorn so I don’t have advice. I still sneak in treats though like I’m a 10 yo
Golden_Enby@reddit
Where do you hide it? My mother used to sneak in the entire kitchen when we went to see movies, but since lots of people were doing it for years, theaters started to crack down hard on stopping it. Most theaters do a bag check before you can walk in. Sometimes I can sneak a small something if I'm wearing a jacket with hidden pockets or my shoes are loose enough. The only thing they allow is water and only for people who have a medical condition that requires them to stay hydrated consistently throughout the day, which is what my family goes through.
Kygma@reddit
Bag check? At a movie? I’ve never experienced this. I’d be mad, and I’m probably NOT sneaking in snacks.
Golden_Enby@reddit
I forgot when it first started. Probably in the mid 2000s. Bag checks are mainly done at large chain theaters like AMC and Regency. Cheap theaters usually don't bother because they're always running on a skeleton crew. Some employees at big chains do the bare minimum by asking to open your bag, but they don't search it. They just take a quick glance inside then move you along. They probably hate doing it.
jtho78@reddit
This is probably more for security reasons, weapons or alcohol.
jtho78@reddit
I've never had a bag check in the 40 years I've been going to the theater on my own. It might depend on the area.
Jacket pockets (cargo shorts in the summer)
Dark_Shroud@reddit
All through my twenties I was sneaking in 1liter drinks.
Now in the rare times I go to the movies I'll sneak in a bottle of water and maybe an energy drink. Depending on the theater I'm at I'll order pizza or a big ass pretzel.
ABSOFRKINLUTELY@reddit
In my 20s I was sneaking in BEER!
cosmicfluffnstuff@reddit
This is the way! I now only go to the first showing of a movie I want to see on Sundays. The theater is almost always empty so there are no noises, no smells, no seeing other people's phones in the dark. It's great! Then I get the whole rest of the day to think about the movie.
Texas_Crazy_Curls@reddit
Going to the movie theater was my favorite hobby growing up. Cell phones and shit etiquette has ruined my favorite past time. I’ve seen one movie in the theater for over 14 years now. I’d much rather watch a movie at home where I control my surroundings.
landshrk83@reddit
Don't let the cell phones win! Seriously though, I absolutely love movies and my partner and I have just adapted our habits to seeing a lot of early matinees. Like 1045-11 on Saturday. We're rarely in the theater with more than a handful of other people unless it's a huge release.
The small handful of times we see movies in the evening just make me hate the experience due to shitty behavior, matinees rock though.
Striking-Win-3239@reddit
Last movie I saw in a theatre was five years ago and my son and I had to get up and leave. It was so hot and after asking for the AC to be turned on it stayed super uncomfortable. I’ll watch movies in my home from now on.
Dark_Shroud@reddit
My brother is theater manager, he told me during the lock downs from 2020 into 2022 most places skipped their building maintenance.
So all through 2023 various theaters were having to get all kinds of HVAC and electrical work done.
veglove@reddit
Totally fair; I go to movies that I don't give a sh*t about just to enjoy the A/C got a couple hours and be mildly entertained. My apt doesn't have air conditioning so a bit of cool air makes a big difference to me!
I'd be pretty pissed if the temperature was warm in the theatre. It's like the antithesis of the theater experience! I always bring a sweater in case I'm too cold.
Dark_Shroud@reddit
I stuck to midnight movies for a long time pre-covid. Rarely any kids or assholes, usually chill vibes between fellow film geeks and people on dates.
The Mario movie back in 2023 is the first time I'd been to a movie in a few years. I was even able to sit in my favorite seat in back. That same seat I'd sat in for fifteen years of Disney/Pixar, Universal, and other random movies.
PuppyJakeKhakiCollar@reddit
I went every weekend from high school to early 20s. I can't even remember the last movie I saw in a theater. Too expensive, too many assholes.
Texas_Crazy_Curls@reddit
Same. We had such bangers in high school from Blair witch project, Romeo+juliet, cruel intentions, American pie. Movies Friday nights, field parties on Saturdays.
Striking-Win-3239@reddit
Last movie I saw in a theatre was five years ago and my son and I had to get up and leave. It was so hot and after asking for the AC to be turned on it stayed super uncomfortable. I’ll watch movies in my home from now on.
Striking-Win-3239@reddit
Last movie I saw in a theatre was five years ago and my son and I had to get up and leave. It was so hot and after asking for the AC to be turned on it stayed super uncomfortable. I’ll watch movies in my home from now on.
Imnotonthelist@reddit
I haven’t been to a theater since before Covid, it’s always been a nightmare scenario for me. Everyone acts like animals and now I’m distracted!
TrustAffectionate966@reddit
I went to check out The Rocky Horror Picture Show last year… and I was the only person in the whole auditorium!
🍿🦄
LongjumpingJaguar308@reddit
Was it that 50th anniversary release? We were 2 of like 7 at our show and someone complained about me yelling. Instead of them being lucky as fuck they had someone who knew the old ways and could give then the legit experiencr!
TrustAffectionate966@reddit
I mean, I still sang along to an empty auditorium hahah. Yeah, it was for the 50th.
Meatloaf is my favorite of the deviant bunch.
🍿🦄👌🏽
CensoryDeprivation@reddit
I went to Rocky Horror this summer at Cinespia in Hollywood and Barry Boswick gave the introduction. As he was finishing he turned to the side and the crowd gasped as Tim Curry joined him on stage in his wheelchair. He joked and thanked us and I’m getting cold right now thinking about it. I give LA a ton of shit but it can do some things like no other some place sometimes.
LongjumpingJaguar308@reddit
Daaaaaammmnnn. A few cast members did a tour a fee years back (not in LA) but I think I was out of town when it happened.
LongjumpingJaguar308@reddit
Someone yelled at me to shut up at Rocky Horror! We are cooked!
gringogidget@reddit
I went to a TIFF movie and I kid you not this person pulled out their fn laptop in the middle of the screening. I fn lost it.
(TIFF is toronto film festival to anyone not familiar, and tickets can go very high in price)
mmm_unprocessed_fish@reddit
Yep. The last movie I saw in the theater was in Japan where the audience doesn’t make a goddamn peep (which is also weird; I think you should be allowed to laugh at comedies). The last few movies I saw in the US were pre-Covid and grown ass women acted like they had never been in public before. I’m done. My living room is cheaper and more comfortable.
Mrwoogy01@reddit
Once my wife learned how to make movie theatre popcorn at home its become a real game changer. The only time we go to the theatre is for a big movie we really want to see opening weekend.
You need popcorn kernels, butter flavored coconut oil, flavacol, and a Dutch oven
BasvanS@reddit
Here I am thinking a Dutch oven is farting with someone under the blanket.
It gave a nice twist on your recipe though
Ok_Marketing_476@reddit
I used to be so glad that we had the Alamo Drafthouse because they had a decent menu, enforced basic etiquette, and had a strict NO PHONES rule.
Sony bought them out and now I hear they don't throw people out for being disruptive, and the way to order your no-longer-decent food is through an APP ON YOUR FREAKING PHONE! Literally the only things that made going to the theater tolerable are gone.
Good thing I make good popcorn and have a nice TV.
haunted_patient@reddit
I invested in a home theater setup and I couldn't be more happy. No need to go to theater ever again
LibertyCash@reddit
We’re here too. Last time we went, we spent $80 for two tickets, two drinks, a small popcorn, and some candy. It’s insane. Plus there was popcorn all over the floor and out of six stalls, two were working, the rest wrapped up in trash bags and duct tape. We were done.
alvinofdiaspar@reddit
No kidding - I am not sure how a bunch of adults managed to do that watching Oppenheimer. The only way to avoid that bunch is to shell out extra for premium full-service screens.
kissassforliving@reddit
You are no longer a customer…you are a consumer. They don’t care unless you are a multimillionaire. Welcome to America. What rock have you been living under?
Fickle_Wrangler_7439@reddit
Calling older women "Karen" is just the new way of dunking on women men don't want to f*ck. It's a bunch of sexist bs.
Lucky_Louch@reddit
I manage a Marriott and the staff should have let management know so they could offer some kind of compensation. Unfortunately, the front desk staff don't really have the authority to do so and don't see each room and have to trust the house keeping supervisor to check rooms for quality after they are cleaned. She should have taken your info for the manager to reach out to offer some kind of compensation though which doesn't sound like she did.
OreoSpamBurger@reddit
I used to travel for work, we got to say in 5 star hotels, and there was an older professional Karen in our team.
She'd always find something to complain about in the hopes of getting an upgrade or some freebies or something.
I dunno how she had the energy because all I wanted when I arrived was food, shower, and bed.
The thing is, it worked often enough that she kept it up the whole time I knew her.
Lucky_Louch@reddit
I deal with these people every day in the summer. They know exactly what to complain about regardless if something is actually wrong to get upgrades/discounts ect. It is frustrating but its just part of the job I suppose.
ravynwave@reddit
I used to go travelling with an auntie like this too. So embarrassing.
Lucky-Remote-5842@reddit
I'm always embarrassed to be associated with people who act like this for no reason. If there is a reason, I have no issue with speaking up, but just doing it to get a discount or free stuff when nothing is wrong, is ridiculous.
nd379@reddit (OP)
100 % this is what I expected.
Wuellig@reddit
Many customer service people are ordered to only give empathy statements, and NOT to proactively offer money or other compensation, and only explore the options if the customer brings it up.
Often a corporate stance rather than an employee failure.
unga_bunga_kid1927@reddit
Just a suggestion here. You could go on Google and put a review. Or if the hotel you stayed at will probably send you a survey. Or search online for the hotel name and survey etc. Put on there what had happened. A manager will respond. And tell them you expect a discount or something for the mold.
Exciting-Argument-67@reddit
But the discount is to stop you from leaving a bad review. Once you leave a bad review, you have less leverage. If she wants the discount that badly, she should reach out to them privately and say something like, "I don't want to have to air this (literal) dirty laundry publicly, so I'm giving you a chance to make it up to me first."
Perfect-Factor-2928@reddit
Or contact the corporate entity behind the franchise. They don’t like when hotels their name is on have deficits in operations/quality like that.
ActivelyLostInTarget@reddit
And you shouldn't have to ask for it. Leaves you feeling entitled instead of valued.
nd379@reddit (OP)
Thank you for the reassurance. It means a lot right now
mjcace@reddit
This, but just ask for the manager and address the issues with them. Expecting a reception level employee to relay your message is just increasing the odds that your message isn't delivered how you intended.
FungiStudent@reddit
Yep go to the source
ParticularGift2504@reddit
“Have you considered perimenopause?” Asks the 42 year old woman who talks herself off the ledge (sometimes successfully) on a daily basis.
MowingInJordans@reddit
People have become less kind and establishments are getting worse. I recently stayed at a expensive gated resort and although the place was nice, everyone else there were complete jerks. Driving fast down the streets, blaring music, horns at people trying to cross the streets. Big pet peeve was people going early to set towels/sandles on all the poolside lounge chairs to claim them for later and leave. We choose to stay at higher end hotels on traveling excursions and we always bring cleaning supplies/disinfectant wipes and a travel sheet buritto thing to sleep in on and under the covers and our own pillows cuz rooms are always disgusting.
cat_at_the_keyboard@reddit
You're not a Karen for expecting basic service
A lot of us are now in perimenopause and out of fucks to give, tired of people pleasing, tired of masking, tired of BS. This is normal at our life stage.
thelittlestduggals@reddit
People are more rude and no one follows driving laws and etiquette. I'm not talking about going a little faster than the speed limit either.
Imnotonthelist@reddit
This 💯 as a perimenopausal woman, the people-pleasing is GONE. I just got a new job like 2 months ago and I’ve already thrown attitude at the boss several times (her communication style is too aggressive for me, I’m like lady you need to get out of my face) and I just can’t care anymore. We’re fed up!
mdmommy99@reddit
I don't think of Karens as being mad about things that are legitimately disturbing like moldy pillows. Karens are being overly angry about very benign things or things that have nothing to do with them, aren't bothering anyone etc.
CaveJohnson82@reddit
Don't know what "Karens" have got to do with this. Being older and making a legitimate complaint shouldn't be something you hold back on.
edasto42@reddit
I’ve found that when I’ve gotten frustrated with how society is, I need to step back and focus. I think about the old phrase ‘if everyone around me is an idiot/asshole/shithead, maybe I am too.’ I then remind myself I can’t control anyone else’s actions, only my own and my reactions. I also try to assess what are my pain points in life at the moment. Nine times out of ten my frustrations are not based in the actual action I’m getting worked up about, but rather something else untreated that’s bleeding over and unresolved. I also do make an attempt at journaling and talking to a therapist.
Life’s too short to be upset by most things in this world. If given the choice to be upset or just roll on and figure out how to manage it effectively, I’m gonna choose to roll with it. There’s a way to solve issues without getting myself upset in 99% of instances.
Worried_Change_7266@reddit
I speak up and don’t tolerate bullshit. I’m understanding when it’s honest mistakes. Service people shouldn’t be actively rude. However, I would have a super hard time being a friendly service person when people are being such a**holes all the time. That mold is no joke, def follow up on that one. That should absolutely not be happening at all and you should get at least a free night for that
missmelissa13@reddit
Karen doesn't know how to pick her battles. It seems like you do :)
Itchy-Noise341@reddit
Nah youre not alone. I try not to always blame the people but man it sure seems like most just dont GAF about anything these days.
Icy-Lifeguard-6206@reddit
With the amount that they're getting paid, I can't blame them, tbh.
Itchy-Noise341@reddit
Right, thats what I remind myself. How can they really care when working an hour buys a bag of chips?
Mediocre-Cobbler5744@reddit
I saw a similar post recently and I'll day the same thing again: People are not paid enough nowadays to do the job, much less to be nice while doing it.
When people aren't paid enough, they do the bare minimum to not be fired. Somewhat ironically, the bare minimum is also less than it used to be because the employer will have trouble filling the job, because they refuse to pay a decent wage.
dryocopuspileatus@reddit
I stand with Karen, and I’m tired of it being a slur! Karen expects decency, good service, and to get what she paid for. We need more Karens tbh
Excellent_Fig5525@reddit
Welcome to perimenopause.
Beekeeper_Dan@reddit
No one gets paid enough to care anymore. The social contract has been ripped up by the billionaires
SnooKiwis2161@reddit
I've gotten to a place where I remove my hard feelings about it, but now what I do is reframe it as "I have to teach this person how to do the job."
I kept running into issues where I would need something particular but I'd constantly get "oh I don't know" or some other low effort reason I couldn't get a service that either I'd already paid for or they kept avoiding resolving my problem. And this was just for bare minimum requests.
So what happens is when I hear "i don't know", or in your case, "oh we'll tell the manager about the issue" essentially putting you off- it's question time! Like this: "oh, I see, the last time I had this situation, customer support habdled it by offering me x,y, and z. How does Moldy Pillow Station handle this as a rule? Oh you don't? Is that normal? Do you have a customer service number I can call to find out more since you don't seem to know off hand?"
I have no lie called corporate customer service right there on speakerphone. I don't ask for a manager. If i need one, i politely ask for an "escalation", but I always have a reason for the escalation. And normally what happens is the questions I ask are enough to get me there, because these people cannot answer them, or if they try their low effort responses, you ask your questions in such a way it forces them to realize their low effort is absurd. This prevents me from having to be forced to "ask for a manager." Instead, I start managing them, assertively, clearly, and most of all, politely. I make them ask for the manager.
I don't expect people to be thrilled with life and with low paying jobs in this economy. But if I paid for something, and I need a refund for damages, if something was bait and switched, or not as promised, that's cutting into my wallet. I'm not going to sit here and smile through a business mugging because the front tier worker is unwilling to ask a question.
OnlySezBeautiful@reddit
As I've recently discovered, that Karen is either perimenopause or post menopausal. I'm the nicest doormat on earth but after menopause, I'm a zero tolerance warrior. I've become quite fearless. I wish I'd found this voice earlier in life.
affectionateanarchy8@reddit
I dont see the connection in being a Karen to this, you received shitty service and wanted it taken care of
Zagmut@reddit
Oh man, I'm with you on the tip thing. I spent so much time working in a tipping environment that I can't not leave a tip, no matter how bad the service.
I had the worst Lyft driver of my life the other day; dude passed the pickup spot 4 times, to the point that I had to walk out into the middle of the street to flag him down. Then he proceeded to miss half of the map prompts, once going completely the wrong direction when he turn right after the app told him left; I had to start prompting him well ahead of the app to get us where I was going.
Left the car thinking the dude was absolutely terrible at his job, then still left the middle tip option and 4 stars. Everyone knows 4 stars is an insult, right?
Exciting-Argument-67@reddit
Yeah, a terrible tip for me is around 18%. I can't in good conscience leave less, as a former tipped worker. But if you give me good service, I leave up to 50% (it is my privilege that I can afford to do so, and I exercise that privilege frequently).
nd379@reddit (OP)
As a former Lyft driver a 4 might as well be as bad as a 2 or 3. Lol
Ckn-bns-jns@reddit
Complaining about bad service or actual issues like a nasty pillow case is not being a Karen. Asking to see a manager and yelling because you aren’t getting your way and clearly in the wrong is being a Karen.
nd379@reddit (OP)
I honestly thought being a Karen meant complaining too much so thank you for the clarification☺️
Exciting-Argument-67@reddit
It started out that way, but for a few years now it has been used as a way to chide any woman who speaks up for herself in any capacity. I won't use it, just like I won't say "Ok Boomer," because if I'm okay with that I have to be okay with the eventual "Ok Xennial."
If people are against stereotypes, they should be against ALL stereotypes.
Scrapla1@reddit
Those are legitimate things to be angry at. I find myself fighting to not yell at the neighborhood kids riding their bikes too close to my truck or running around my yard. I always remember the jerks I lived around growing up who would yell at us for playing on the street in front of their house or taking our ball when it went in their yard. When I go out to eat I also bite my tongue whenever the service isn't good OR they mess up my order. I just eat whatever they give me and never send stuff back.
VinylHighway@reddit
Neither of those is an example of you being a "Karen"
I feel bad for actual women named Karen who aren't like this.
nd379@reddit (OP)
Plot twist, my name is Karen.
Ok not really and I agree with what you said but didn't know how else to phrase it in a way others would understand 😞
Exciting-Argument-67@reddit
Oh okay. I was wondering what you meant, because your subject says 're: Karen' but the body of your post doesn't really address the whole Karen stereotype.
VinylHighway@reddit
It's a valid term , I guess in that everyone knows what it means, but can be hurtful to you and other real Karens.
MaybeICanDoBetterer@reddit
I agree but fun fact: I dated a Karen whose name was Karen at the time Karen started to mean Karen and she was such a Karen that she was thrilled Karen now meant Karen.
VinylHighway@reddit
lol
FoppyRETURNS@reddit
You're a Karen.
jaywinner@reddit
I hope people know the difference between being named Karen and being "a Karen".
neurobeegirl@reddit
Sure but can we not just ruin an entire name for no good reason? Even if it's easy enough for most people to avoid it in the future, a lot of people were already using it.
VinylHighway@reddit
I hope for a lot of things :(
SnorkBorkGnork@reddit
All the Debbies I have come across act like Karens. The Karens I know are all genuinely nice people lol. And I'm sure other people know some really nice Debbies.
But it's Karen behavior if you're bigoted like call the cops on a black girl playing on the street. Not if you're assertive about bad service (unless of course you're being racist/classist/sexist/homophobic while you do that).
AotKT@reddit
As a person named Karen, it’s a non-issue. I’ve never experienced any different behavior than before the meme came out. I know a couple other Karens and neither of them have had any reactions to their name either.
Tabord@reddit
The social contract is broken. Companies everywhere are overworking skeleton crews on wages people can't afford to live on. You get who will show up, but even if they care they can't keep up with the revolving door of people who don't. I get customer service all the time that would have gotten me fired in my retail days, but I also watched that company cut staff, cut hours, screw over the old lifers who'd been there for decades, and strip out the incentive programs. Now I go into their stores and get dead eyed stares from people who'd rather be anywhere else. I don't know how much I can blame them.
lawtalkinggal@reddit
This! I once had an issue that I thought was so stupid! I wanted sour cream on my chipotle burrito, and they were out on the "dine in" line, but I could see they had it on the "take out" line, and I asked if the worker could just grab me a scoop from that line and she kept refusing and I was getting infuriated, and I did ask (politely) for a manager because really, there was sour cream three steps away! And the manager told me that the worker wasn't allowed to move from her spot on the line, and then I felt awful for the worker because at first I'm thinking she's just dumb and lazy and it's some stupid efficiency policy. LIKE WHY DO YOU HAVE THAT STUPID POLICY WHERE A WORKER CANNOT SOLVE AN EASY TO SOLVE PROBLEM FOR A CUSTOMER?!?!?!?!
mtron32@reddit
This right here
specks_of_dust@reddit
This should be the top comment.
Top level corporate fat cats cut from the bottom to feed the top. It has finally gotten to the point where employees don’t need to hide how much they hate their jobs. Customers are miserable because they work equally soul-crushing jobs, only to spend more money and get less in every way. The entire Karen movement really only serves to distract from the real problem by pitting employees against customers.
Executives and rich people don’t care because they are the ones getting rich off it and can afford to circumvent ground-level problems. As long as we are fighting each other, they can continue sipping on a vintage merlot on their yacht.
TheCatMadeMeDoIt83@reddit
Are you perimenopausal? I ask because I'm 43 & having the same issue🤣🤣 I do believe there are more shitty people in the world today, but lately I hate everyone too. We're at that age. All us middle aged girlies are about to really go "Karen" 🤣🤣🤣
Excellent-Goal4763@reddit
Perimenopause rage is real. I find myself less patient with other people’s behavior.
ylimeenimsaj@reddit
I'm with you, OP. It's difficult to watch everything degrade. From service to behavior and it really makes me think about our social constructs. (Expectations just keep going up too, which is weird ) We jump through a lot of hoops that we as a society have created and it's hard to know which ones had or still have, purpose. My sweet, sweet grandma got very angry and ugly before she got almost totally silent for the rest of her life. I remember what a relief it was when she became sweet and quiet again but I fear I'm beginning to understand why grandma got angry in the first place.
Meander86@reddit
I’ve always been cripplingly anti confrontation as well but at around 38 I went full old man yells at clouds.
I’ll obviously be on a date at a more fancy sushi place with my wife. Plenty of tables elsewhere and the waiter sits next to us a family with 2-3 noisy before they even get in the restaurant children… nope. I’m asking to move. The
We stayed at a “nice” hotel where when we walked in there was a damp spot on the carpet, and a drip from the ceiling. Nope, change rooms. Oh now our room doesn’t have the view/bed size we paid for? Nope change us again, or we are getting a heavily discounted rate or something complementary.
I’ve walked out of restaurants where they’ve given our reserved table to a larger party, oh and now your sitting us a doorswing away from the bathroom? I’m walking out.
Mind you I am nice to a fault and understanding with every single person at every level of the service industry and there is a difference between a worker just trying to keep afloat and do the best they can, and I recognize that and reward it, and the ones who are just cutting corners, and being lazy at your expense hoping you won’t say anything and accept it like the last party before you did.
Everything is just too expensive to accept bad service these days, and I’ve noticed good service and getting what you paid for has been on a rapid decline for the past 6-7 years.
uberdilettante@reddit
Dying at “full old man yells at clouds” 😂
14ANH2817@reddit
My middle-aged frugality stems from this. I'm not so much cheap as I'm just opting out of so much that no longer seems worth it. I can mess up my own order cooking at home for about 25% of the price of a problematic restaurant experience.
ValuableAd3808@reddit
The world is on fire and everyone is asleep
batastronaut@reddit
Definitely not overreacting.
Re: the hotel, I don't know why but the front desk lady's response is cracking me up. "Eww", haha I mean, yeah, ya nailed it. It sounds like she's very new at the job and maybe not particularly trained? I think it would be totally reasonable to ask for compensation and or ask to speak to her supervisor, and I think that in no way falls into Karen territory.
Re: the restaurant, this one is tough. I see a lot online about Gen Z's terrible customer service compared to previous generations, and some blaming it on lack of socialization due to phones, blah blah blah, which I'm sure could play a role. But economically, this generation is the most disenfranchised. When we were coming up and doing customer service roles in our 20s, we still had the illusion (or the realistic expectation, for some of us), that eventually we would move up in the world, get better jobs, better pay, maybe own a house. This generation has no illusion of this and I'm sure feel stuck in wage slavery. It's hard to be on your best behavior day in and day out while you are watching the US economy crumble around you. In this case I would probably give the 15% and chalk it up to that. However, doesn't mean you can't be pissed about it.
Sorry for the long-winded response but I've been thinking a lot about how much the situation has changed for people in the service industry the last two decades. I can't imagine going into it now and I really feel for these kids. We should band together and shit on their bosses instead :)
DooficusIdjit@reddit
Standing up for things doesn’t make you a Karen. Overreacting to non-issues does.
Just stay calm and don’t lose your shit.
wtfftw1042@reddit
Karen has turned into a term used to shut up women. i hate it.
Individual-Schemes@reddit
Reminder that our hormones are fucking with us. Talk to your doctors, ladies. Get some HRT. It will change your life.
33ff00@reddit
You’re def not alone. Probably about 90% of crazy shit companies put us through is reasonably worth karen’ing out over. We just see the bonkers shit that goes viral. Most companies are literally robbing us blind while giving us the shittiest possible experience definitely over half the service industry needs to find a job where they don’t interact with customers
theredfantastic@reddit
It’s called perimenopause/menopause
okayyayayay@reddit
I started getting like that a little while ago. I had two "incidents" where I actually flipped my shit on people, which is completely out of character for me. Shortly after I got put on blood pressure medication and it never happened again.
nd379@reddit (OP)
Oh wow! My blood pressure is usually on the very low side. What medication is it if you don't mind so I can discuss with my doc?
youshantnome@reddit
Yeah me. And it’s perimenopause making me irritable and making me pissed off at things I perceive as rude or unfair. I used to be so chill. And now I actually understand Karens.
Significant-Ring5503@reddit
Perimenopause reduces our estrogen and increases our testosterone. Which makes us less people-pleasy, and more like men. We're not being bitches, we're just done being walked all over!
Over here embracing my villain era...
youshantnome@reddit
On point
cherryberry0611@reddit
Don’t worry, in a few years you’ll be chill again. Even more so than before, at least this was the case for me.
youshantnome@reddit
I’m looking forward to it
Nikkinap@reddit
This was the first thing I thought when I read this post. Like, welcome to middle age as a person with ovaries. I hate everyone and everything with the fire of 1,000 suns.
Rogue_Gona@reddit
It takes soooo much for me not to unleash the perimenopause rage some days, especially when I encounter the shit behavior of our average humans these days.
COVID broke people's brains in the sense of how they're supposed to act in public. And I honestly don't see it getting better for a very long time. If ever.
SnooStrawberries9563@reddit
Guess it's time to pony up and see the doc. Because I'm salty about everything these days.
mythical_mom@reddit
Hard same!
Pandoras_Fate@reddit
God i hate this so much. Its like having a devil inside me, that wants to claw out, be a real bitch, choke the sweet hippie goth I usually am, then crawl back in.
I don't like it at all. I dont want to be a mean old lady, but fuck if my latte is $9 and made wrong, I want it corrected, and dont you dare roll your eyes at me over it.
I used to be, "oh thats okay, people make mistakes, namaste qween." This monster inside me now, "dont smart mouth me you tide pod chewing brat, I said no whip."
Like, what the hell. Who even am I? THE SHAME I FEEL.
NarwhalsTooth@reddit
Okay not to encourage you but shit is so expensive now it’s hard to just be chill when it’s wrong. I could shrug off a rude cashier when I wasn’t spending $200 for a small grocery store run or just throw the drive thru mistake away if I wasn’t losing goddamn $6 for a burrito
youshantnome@reddit
I feel you so hard. I’m such a people pleaser usually but I don’t even recognize myself lately. I have so much rage. Someone cuts me off in traffic or is rude to me and I start yelling at them and calling them names when before I’d just shrug and tell myself they’re probably just having a bad day.
I also really want to rip off my ex husbands head for all the shit he put me through while just a few years ago I was so forgiving because he had such a difficult life. But now: fuck him forever and I hope he burns in hell.
I scare myself lately lol.
Me-Flavored-Water@reddit
was about to say it, my sister was on the verge of collapse, irritated and pissed off of everything. Went to the ob/gyn and now is on medication for perimenopause and much more calm....
officermeowmeow@reddit
I went on HRT a month ago, and my insane rage and irritability is now just the sane amount.
I punched a guy in the face (to be fair to myself, he shoved me first when trying to enter my apartment building when I was leaving it) and got into another verbal altercation with some other dude a few weeks apart and I finally was like this isn't normal.... put two and two together and it's like a total 180 now. Hormones are WILD.
Mysterious_Beets@reddit
r/menopause and r/perimenopause
You will be in good company. Give it a scroll, there is great info and plenty who feel exactly the same as you do.
tarmgabbymommy79@reddit
Oh thank you Jesus, I am the same way. Everyone sees me as a B but it's like more an more stupidity everyday
BookHooknNeedle@reddit
I made a joke the other day when I was fuming from dealing with incompetence related to coordinating care for an older family member. I think some Karens might just be people who are sick & tired of the enshitification or everything who lose it on the wrong person. /s.
But seriously I do understand firmness that previous I would have clocked for being too particular. Some people are just lazy shits who do a poor job or are idiots. The enshitification of everything is very real & it's not too much to ask for clean looking linens or good service or someone not being a flake.
mtron32@reddit
I think people aren’t getting paid enough to give a shit so we reap the benefits of the shit service that comes from it.
No_Fun_7068@reddit
I feel you. I am not usually a confrontational person but the older I get the less fucks I give about anything.
IGotMyPopcorn@reddit
As a 44 year old woman, I’ve been there. And if you haven’t already, please talk to your doctor. These feelings an anxiety/ anger/ mood swings are a sign of perimenopause, and can turn into fits of literal rage if not addressed.
mtron32@reddit
If there was a definition of Karen it’d be OP, you need to relax especially at our advanced age. Life is too short to be carrying around pointless stress.
The mold on the pillow while disgusting, what do you expect the receptionist to do about it? The waitress that didn’t peel grapes for you, was the place busy? Keep it moving sister
Barracuda_Recent@reddit
Karens are just in perimenopause. I’m there too.
Anaxamenes@reddit
While I don’t think you were anywhere near a Karen, most customer service people have zero ability to do anything these days. In the past, yeah companies gave them some ability to make things right but not anymore. Companies just let them get yelled at and hope that’s enough for the actual Karen’s.
The server could definitely have been better, you tipped accordingly but I really don’t think that the front desk person could do anything. They acknowledged that was gross and they were going to give the info to the necessary person who should have been the one to call you and make it right anyways. Companies just don’t care about customers anymore.
_MadGasser@reddit
Isn't the millennial Karen name Jessica?
Don't be a Jessica.
MasticatedDorks@reddit
I've had to fight for everything that I've had in my life... so, I'm looking for a time and place where I can actually enjoy something.
I'm just not sure I'm ever going to see it in my lifetime
nd379@reddit (OP)
I'm so sorry 🫂
iputmytrustinyou@reddit
Any xennial with a uterus is likely experiencing perimenopause. We are so fucking over everything because our hormones are all over the place. Sometimes those hormones settle at “rage.”
I don’t think you were overreacting to either scenario. I worked front desk at a hotel for years. Management would have at least given you a partial refund and a sincere apology, and I would have pushed for a full refund, because WTF? There were several employees who shirked their duties leaving a room in the condition.
The waitress? You have every right to expect someone being paid for a service to do their job. When people go above and beyond, they deserve a larger tip. You STILL gave her a tip. Most people would have left nothing.
Totally agree about staying home. I can order stuff online, order take-out/delivery, use a drive thru or connect with others through virtual means. I am totally available- as long as I can wear my pajamas. 😂
ItsMattyDavid@reddit
I’m 42 and for the first time in my life I demanded a meal be comped at a restaurant for my family and I. I also hate confrontation!
We arrived at our local Red Robin at 5:30. It took 20 minutes for the host to ask us “How many?”. Then an additional 10 min to be sat. (Keep in mind, this is one of the slowest Red Robin’s in the country). Another 15 minutes goes by and we meet our server (a very nice lady). We were the only table sat in the section. She takes our order and sends it to the kitchen. We wait. Four top gets sat in our section. Order taken. Six top gets sat in our section. Order taken. We wait. 3 top sat. Order taken. We watch all the tables around us get their food, eat their food, and pay their bill. I flag down our server to check in. “The kitchen is a little backed up. Your food will be out shortly.” My wife and I both worked in restaurants. I was a cook at this very Red Robin 21 years ago. We don’t want to make a rough situation worse. So we wait. (Our 15 and 12 year old discovers the joy of watching a logo bounce around a screen waiting for it to hit the corner directly.)
Eventually I have to get up and ask the server where our food is. She looks into it… our order had been deleted when one of the cooks put in his own food order for some reason. They get us our food within 10 minutes or so and the server lets me know the manager said we’d get 25% off our bill.
After we finish I have my family go to the car and I ask to speak with the manager. He was a friendly guy. I explained the situation to ensure we were in the same page and told him that while I appreciate the gesture of 25% off, I couldn’t justify paying the meal. He understood and comped the entire thing. I left a $20 cash tip for the server.
I now have my Middle Aged Man Diploma framed and displayed proudly in my office.
gummi-demilo@reddit
Age? Because this became a big thing for me in my early 40s and the only fix is HRT (and in my case, Zoloft)
nd379@reddit (OP)
Already on HRT and mood meds 😕
brittanytobiason@reddit
It's so damn awful and has been for far too long. I could list so many horrors. I can't even go to the Safeway down the hill because there seems to be no way to actually prevent their employees from conspiring to shake my beer. The cashier rolled my soda 2liter down the conveyor belt while the horror from self-checkout pretended to be my bagger and that I hadn't brought my own bags so she could hide groceries I'd just bought. That's just something minor and recent.
Amazon denies me service.
Popculture-VIP@reddit
You are 100 percent justified. And also, it bothers you more than it would have before right? Welcome to perimenopause. Here is your membership card; it's fun! 🤡
False-Cookie3379@reddit
You are 100% NOT being a Karen. You had valid reasons/complaints. Did you take a photo of the pillowcase? I would send that to corporate and ask for full or partial refund. And I have done the same at restaurants, I waited tables for years and usually top very generously, but there have been a few times where I’ve told my husband to “leave a 5” or tips 10%. I also hate going out in public, like the past few years I’ve noticed that customer service has just really gone downhill along with the quality of things. angrily shakes fist at the sky
veiled-nomore99@reddit
I stayed at a hotel during the eclipse and there were cockroaches in the tiny freezer section and on the walls that we discovered in the middle of the night. One of my kids found one in their shoes in the morning. I took photos. Showed them to the front desk. They literally told me an hour later that housekeeping found nothing. So…sorry? What were those photos I took, then? And I had to fight to get them to refund my second night because we weren’t staying there, even changing rooms. It was in a town hours away from home and we kept going back in and checking the status so I actually think they reimbursed me to get me to leave, but whatever. I was still out the first night and told there was nothing there. Still annoyed, years later.
Disastrous-Roll-6170@reddit
Leilani3317@reddit
Ask for the outcome or solution you want, don’t expect other people to offer it to you. In this case, you did everything right, I just would’ve added “I would like a full refund”.
PuppyJakeKhakiCollar@reddit
The problem is that the whole Karen thing started about a very specific type of person (privileged entitled middle-aged white woman who screams at cashiers and fast food workers over the dumbest shit, then demands the manager) but has evolved into a catchall insult toward any woman who dares question, speak up, or defend herself. It's an attempt to shut women up and invalidate them.
Screaming at the front desk for not having a mint on your pillow would be Karen behavior. Complaining about actual bad service or moldy pillowcases in a hotel room is not Karen behavior, no matter what anyone says.
One of the superpowers of middle age is finding your voice and the confidence to use it. We feel comfortable speaking up for ourselves in a way our younger selves did not. Don't let some stupid internet bs silence your voice. Don't be abusive toward others of course, but stand up for yourself when it is called for.
Valadrea@reddit
Tis that time of your life when r/Perimenopause and r/Menopause can help explain a lot of your sudden, unexpected aggravation that shows up.
nartimus@reddit
The front desk may have been instructed not to escalate matters to mgmt unless specifically requested by the customer. It all depends on how you ask. There is a difference between “LET ME SPEAK TO YOUR MANAGER!!” vs. “can I have a word with mgmt? I know you don’t have authority to really do anything and it’s not your fault, but I want to make sure this is known for the future as it’s a health risk.”
Hi_Hello_HeyThere@reddit
You and me both! I hate confrontation but I am so fed up with the poor quality of services and products.
I hired a pest control company last fall just to do outdoor perimeter treatments to keep bugs out. There is this bug called a clover mite that we get seasonally, and we specifically talked about that bug. They guaranteed we’d never see more than one or two, as they can’t eliminate them, but no more than one or two at a time. Well it’s been three weeks of having to vacuum up these pests every couple hours, I’m seeing 100 of them a day. The pest control company has been out twice and there is zero improvement. Why guarantee something that you can’t actually do!?!?!? They are acting so casual about it, haven’t apologized, nothing, and I’m exhausted, I want to go off but I don’t have the energy…
molotovv3@reddit
Karen is weaponized to control women and keep them quiet and complacent, fuck that. Don't let Zoomers bully you out of being treated with basic respect. If you're not screeching about every minor inconvenience but instead trying to have a calm adult discussion, you're fine.
Ironically it's those who screech Karen who are themselves the true Karens
CrittyCrit@reddit
r/perimenopause
Not because I think you're wrong for how you feel. Quite the opposite. But if you feel that you're feeling/thinking/acting differently and kinda ragey, we're in that stage of life where it's a real possibility. Regardless, I'm sorry you had such s miserable experience.
gringogidget@reddit
I yelled at some protestors unprovoked this weekend because they pissed me off so much. They’re protesting that a very large park is not accessible after they banned cars in the park for environmental reasons. I walked through the loop of the park and a bus came every 10 minutes which are fully accessible to wheelchairs and I just fucking lost it when I walked past them for no reason.
Quinalla@reddit
It sucks that Karen has basically turned into a way to shut up all women, even ones with legit complaints. It’s ok to release Karen energy in situations like this!! My parents had friends they vacationed with for years and the woman of the other couple had zero issues having confrontations about BS like this, so the others would sometimes intentionally have her do it. Long before the Karen label, she was using that energy for good!
Significant-Rush-129@reddit
When my son was a baby I was at a restaurant and the waitress went on and on about how her kids “never made messes”. Ha! That bitch got a dollar tip a d I was being generous. I saw her Karening and Karened her double.
HermioneMarch@reddit
Menopause can make you learn to take no shit.
Plutoniumburrito@reddit
I still only think of SpongeBob when I hear the name/term Karen 🤷🏻♀️
andrewclarkson@reddit
I think there are a couple of things going on in society right now. One is that the actual owners of most businesses we patronize aren't present to actually see and deal with the problems. The other is that frequently the employees either aren't given enough authority/leeway to really do much about it... or they just plain don't get paid enough to care and I don't totally blame them.
I would assume you were hoping for a free/discounted stay or vouchers for a future stay or something like that? I meant it would be nice... at least she acknowledged the problem and (we hope) said something to housekeeping.
TexasRN1@reddit
Customer service is really at a low point across the board. We just came back from vacation and my husband and I were just talking about it. No one seems to care anymore. Doesn’t matter if you’re at an expensive resort or McDonald’s. I think people have checked out.
caffeinatedspiders@reddit
A) you may want to look into perimenopause symptoms (if you haven't already) if you're noticing your fuse is shorter than normal
B) 'karen' is a sexist term used to shame women into silence and submissiveness. Being upset that you slept on a mold-stained pillow and the staff didn't seem to care is not an overreaction!
Hortos@reddit
You sound like a boomer. Its your fault you didn't check your room before you slept in it, they pay those people peanuts and they'll be replaced by robots before the end of the decade. Who cares if you thought the waitress was a bitch shes paid peanuts and will be replaced by a robot before the end of the decade you have to tip those people if you're sitting there taking up space in the restaurant. Being a former waitress and having the audacity to tell someone else to tip lower perceived slights is insane. You're a weirdo.
JonnyQuest1981@reddit
OP, you are not alone. I can’t believe how much my food is made incorrectly when dining out or even just getting fast food. I find myself thinking, “You had one job.” while SMH far too often now. When a server hits it out of the park, I tip 25-30%, so I’m rewarding the service we all expect with even more because it is becoming rare.
Golden_Enby@reddit
There are quite a few different definitions of being a Karen, all of which involve a person being entitled, arrogant, demanding, or demeaning. Most of the time, this occurs in places of business, but can happen anywhere if you encounter a rude demanding person. For instance, a disabled person whose disability isn't visible is sitting on the bus in a designated seating area for disabled people. A woman walks up to the person and demands their seat because she "needs it more." The disabled person politely declines and assures the agitated lady that they do have a disability. The woman continues to demand the seat and even grabs the person by their arm to try to force them to move. It continues to escalate until other passengers and the bus driver intervene.
That's a Karen. A narcissistic jerk who doesn't care about anyone else by themselves. A person who will go to great lengths to be the only one in the room who's "right" about everything even when facts state otherwise. A person who takes great pleasure in demeaning minimum wage employees because they feel that such people are beneath them.
You are not a Karen. I hope this helps ease your anxiety around it. 🫂
Grammarhead-Shark@reddit
The funniest thing about Karen's is every person I know actually named Karen is often pretty sweet and chill
ZeroLithium576@reddit
They should've given you a refund, or at least a discount.
Quato815@reddit
How does a hotel pillow case get mold? It’s washed between each use. Are you sure you didn’t stain it? This is beyond weird. My first job was in a hotel. This isn’t plausible in the slightest.
nd379@reddit (OP)
i was wearing zero make-up and what was on there covered half of one side. No way it was mine
Key-Permission-8461@reddit
Are you by any chance in Perimenopause?! Because the rage 😡 is real. Highly recommend getting on hormone replacement therapy if you can. I’m not saying your rage is not valid, I am saying you feel it more than usual when your hormones are not working properly. I’m also up to here with the current state of the world, so that does not help things. But HRT has helped with the hot flashes, the night sweats, the waking up at 3am and unable to fall back asleep and with my moods as well. I can stand my man, just a little better now. And people too. 😅
crapatthethriftstore@reddit
Perimenopause is hitting me. Everyone sucks.
obeekaybee7@reddit
I’ve worked in the service industry my entire life, and it’s starting to bother me how few people say “have a nice day” or “thank you” anymore that ARE PAID TO DO SO. I’ve had to do it for thirty years, you can do it too.
Holmes221bBSt@reddit
If you took a pic, post it on their socials. I’ve done this multiple times after receiving no help from customer service over the phone. After their dirty laundry was left out on their Facebook, they got back to me real quick and were determined to fix any issue I had
Golden_Enby@reddit
This is, unfortunately, the only way to get shit done these days. Customer service and management won't give a damn until you slander their "good name" on social media. It's crazy. On the flip side, it sucks when unruly and rude customers get treated like royalty when they bitch enough. Happens more often in grocery stores.
Similar_Sale_5136@reddit
Stay home.
Curious-Basket-7934@reddit
Ok but can we kill the Karen slur once and for all? Or take it back and apply it to women speaking up for themselves, like men did with Chad?
emerican@reddit
I feel ya sister, I’ve defn felt the same the last few years
cobalt-radiant@reddit
Should have tipped the waitress 0%. She didn't earn a tip and it's not your job to pay her wages, especially if you live in a state that requires servers to be paid the same minimum wage as everyone else.
goddessofwitches@reddit
Hear me out. Go the exact opposite. Had bought a bedding set and the headboard failed (unfortunately not during smexy time. It literally failed on a manufacturing point. My husband asked for a replacement but they denied it and he bought it instead. They bring the new one in and its already got issues as they r assembling it. I call and play stupid. I also gush at the agent, being super nice. Not only did we get a new bed but they refunded the original. Was i angry? absolutely shaking inside.
Play dumb, be extremely nice has won ppl over more than losing my shit. I mean sometimes that feels amazing to fuss back at them for a truly piss poor job. Sometimes it feels better to outsmart them
Officialfish_hole@reddit
Karens were always the heroes who society unfairly slandered
thisbroadreadsbooks@reddit
Yeah, people have always sucked. But there were societal norms that most participated in when in public. My husband uses a wheelchair, I push him. We had like 5 servers and a hostess stand there watching as I struggled to open the door and push his chair at the same time. Finally a manager ran over and held the door for me, but I was honestly pretty shocked.
I hold doors for people all the time, whether they need me to or not. It’s just polite. But if I saw a disabled person, or a mom with a stroller, whatever, I would absolutely NOT just stand there watching them struggle. At an actual restaurant and it’s the employees? wtf? How is that helpful service in any way?
Also, almost daily taking my son to school. He’s a sophomore, and I see parents dropping their soon to be driving teenagers off and I just know the roadways will only get worse and worse from now till end of days. lol not to mention road rage on the freeways. It’s wild. I’m glad I’m a poor homebody. My favorite place to be is at home reading a book with my husband.
Also, leaving all social media except reddit. Which I don’t abuse like I used to Facebook, etc. Facebook is a fucking cesspool nightmare. Reddit can be, but at least it’s not a relative I’m watching be a pos.
lsp2005@reddit
Karen’s are unjustly asking for things they have zero business asking for. Expecting no mold, or no bed bugs, or the food order you asked for, or get the seat on the airplane you paid for, or to be seen by a doctor within 30 minutes of your appointment time are all reasonable things to expect. If they did not happen, it is okay to speak up and advocate for yourself.
yodamastertampa@reddit
I stayed at a hotel 20 years ago with my wife. I paid extra for a room with a jacuzzi. The tub had a dirt ring and short and curlies in it. There was a pizza box with crust in it sitting on the microwave. I called immediately and got a lower price and was assured everything else was perfect.
proper_specialist88@reddit
I don't think paying for a service and that service sucking qualifies you as a "Karen". I worked in hospitality for decades and a moldy pillow is completely unacceptable. Same goes for attitude from a restaurant employee. I guess it depends on your reaction. It's also not cool to overreact as a customer. This shit isn't life or death. Front desk staff at nice hotels get paid shit and get the worst of the worst, so them not reacting to your mild complaint might just be because they're used to much worse. "Karen" would be a nice thing to call some of those people. They still should've offered something small like a drink voucher or comp'd something on your bill, but that's up to them whether or not they grab a manager. Next time maybe tell a bellman - they're not tied to a desk and more pull than you think. I used to be one and management pretty much let us do our own thing and we're much more flexible with us than the front desk staff. I've only had a major reaction once and that was on a US Airlines flight, because fuck those people.
NachoNachoDan@reddit
I guess I should be more thankful for there not being a stereotypical “Dan “
BigFatBlackCat@reddit
Part of becoming an adult is learning when to stand up for yourself, and not allowing people to take advantage of you.
I would be up in arms if I paid for a hotel and got a mold stained pillow case. It calls into question everything that hotel does. I would call and ask to speak to a manager and let them know what happened, including with the woman who checked you out and didn’t properly address it. She should have gotten a manager. You should have asked for one.
Ok_Giraffe_17@reddit
Don't forget to annoyance at f'ing everything because of perimenopause!
blacktrufflesheep@reddit
I recommend you look up reviews for both the restaurant and the hotel. You may feel validated when you find that other people had similar negative experiences. If you leave an anonymous review on social media, your voice may help others feel validated.
TheDangDeal@reddit
I say don’t be anonymous, put it on their socials and wait for them to actually right the situation.
saltyhashbrowns@reddit
Welcome to perimenopause, when women stop being so nice and patient? 🤷
JamesMattDillon@reddit
If the waitress is acting like that, don't tip. You are just rewarding her bad behavior. And what did you expect the front desk to do about it?
Ok_Marketing_476@reddit
Those sound like legit complaints to me.
Complaining about mould-stained bedding should have been escalated to the manager. Even if you're not after compensation, you were owed a proper apology at least.
Surly waitstaff? I just never go back again.
The larger trend in public horribleness comes from the general enshitification of everything. Wages are down, benefits hardly exist, costs are up, and there's no incentive like there used to be to do more than the absolute minimum. When I was a teenager/early 20s, you could just just about get by on part-time work with like, one roommate or maybe a few if you rented a whole house. Now you need multiple jobs and/or multiple roommates to maybe avoid having to live in your car...not great for employee morale.
On top of that, you have a whole bunch of people who came out of COVID having apparently forgotten all the manners they had before in their lives making things even more miserable for workers and the rest of us who aren't acting like toddlers in public.
Hey_Giant_Loser@reddit
Being meek is not a virtue. Not anymore
wheres_the_revolt@reddit
So uhhh welcome to perimenopause. The rage is real, comes from out of nowhere (or everywhere tbh lol), and is almost uncontrollable.
I’ve got a gyno appointment next month to talk about HRT because I often want to physically fight people at this point.
nd379@reddit (OP)
i was like that before starting HRT a few months ago. I'm on the highest dose and from this thread, obviously still irritated but I don't want to physically harm others anymore 😂
wheres_the_revolt@reddit
I legit threatened to pull a man out of his car (I was walking) the other day, and beat their ass, and meant it. My husband had to pull me away. I am also a generally chill person, although I’ve never considered myself meek. It’s crazy how the switch just flips now, I actually know I’m being a crazy person while it’s happening and cannot stop myself. I will happily take it down to the Karen stage with HRT (oh please let that happen for me).
LeftHandStir@reddit
I feel ya OP. I (40yo M) had a conversation with a buddy last week about how, I just can't "do" restaurants anymore. Between the cost, the shitty service, the mediocre food, the copypasta decor... like it's just not fun. And I'm someone who would regularly save up and spend $250-$300pp for dinners prior to covid. And hotels? Fuck man... it's like $115/night for a Hampton Inn now. A few years ago we paid +$450 for one night at a Kimpton—company I worked at for five years—with parking, after California occupancy/lodging taxes. Madness. Easily 50% than pre-pandemic rates for that hotel *whose quality and service has gone down."
d_the_m_80@reddit
You sound like my wife... She blames it on peri-menopause, but definitely not the meek sweet girl she used to be. I think you hit a certain age and realize that you no longer GAF about what other people think.
VVrayth@reddit
I mean, what did you want? There's nothing the FDA can do in that moment. I know you said you didn't notice until the morning, but if you'd been abe to contact them that night, tehy would have probably done everything they could to switch your room. I've been in situations like this, and hotels do not screw around when it comes to health hazards from mold, etc. But the FDA is definitely not gonna like, comp your stay or whatever.
As far as tipping at restaurants goes, my policy is that unless the meal is completely screwed up and there's no attempt to fix it, I tip 20%. People have bad days, maybe they're super-overworked or maybe they just went through a break-up or a death in the family. I don't expect everyone to be at their best all the time, certainly not in the service industry. I thinking our tipping culture in the US generally sucks, and would rather it not be a decision that is in the hands of potentially malicious customers, but I consider that to be part of the meal cost.
nd379@reddit (OP)
I was expecting the front desk to alert a manager to talk to me. I don't think that's absurd.
You're right, everyone has shit days. Only she was perfectly cheerful with her other tables. i don't think people have selective take out on others shit days.
VVrayth@reddit
The manager will tell you exactly what the FDA told you 99.9999% of the time in all matters. And really, all they can do in a situation like what you described is have housekeeping/maintenance address the issue.
nd379@reddit (OP)
Have you worked in customer service? Specifically hotels? If so, which chain so I can avoid them?
VVrayth@reddit
I've definitely worked in customer service, and a good manager is always going to back up their associates, especially when they've already given you the best answer.
nd379@reddit (OP)
There's no “backing up”. I didn't demand or even imply I desired anything for her to turn down. Her response 100% of the time should be to contact a manager to intervene in an issue where she is not fully able to rectify the issue justifiably. Since she can offer nothing other than contacting a manager, she should've at minimum at least offered to do so. I'm a human doormat and even I expect that
VVrayth@reddit
In response to your original topic, this is definitely Karen behavior, sorry.
nd379@reddit (OP)
Good day troll ☺️
VVrayth@reddit
I'm earnestly engaging with you, not trolling. I've been on this sub for a long time, and I don't troll or harass my people here. Criticism is not trolling.
It is not reasonable to expect that someone is going to bother a manager for a problem they have already confirmed to you that they will make sure is solved. The only thing that would accomplish is to let you complain at someone else for the exact same response. There's no point to that. Expecting otherwise is like the most classic "Karen behavior" hallmark that that term was coined to describe in the first place.
Meatball-Alfredo-Mom@reddit
People are confused. Karen’s complain about ridiculous outlandish bullshit.
Mold on a pillowcase is a valid thing to go off on. If you were sensitive to mold and had asthma it could be deadly.
moleculariant@reddit
I find it hard to deal with entitled people who seek reasons to complain. These issues you encountered were justifiable circumstances for your reactions. NTK.
Top-Difficulty5202@reddit
I had this talk with a friend. We both worked customer service and always went above and beyond and gave good service, but when it doesn't happen, it is disappointing. If you feel slighted there is nothing wrong with checking with a manager, as long as you're not doing it with an attitude unless they give you attitude. But, you have to stand up for yourself when you need to. I AM A RIGHTEOUS KAREN lmao. I never am rude though unless they are to me, because bitch, do not play with me, I will pull my inner asshole out if need be, but I don't like him.
CharliePinglass@reddit
It's been a sliding of standards and societal connection for a long time. We were the first generation to start wearing pajamas in public. Nirvana style ennui was us and tail end Gen X. It's hard to give a shit when your employer clearly doesn't give a shit about you. It's even harder for true millennials going through 2008 crash and then Gen Z going through Covid preventing normal social skills development in middle and high school (can you imagine forced 6' distance at freshman high school lunch?). The worst is the social media companies emotionally hijacking our brains and atomizing us, especially Gen Z before we knew how dangerous it was. Then the ever increasing wealth and income gap, with apparently little to no consequences for those on the other side of the gap, reinforces that atomization.
Mold on your pillow and the front desk clerk not giving a shit and passing the buck is the end result of all of this. There is no shared social contract or even shared social norms, and an ever increasing desperation and pessimism.
So personally, I give the front desk clerk a pass. I'll politely and firmly push it. Wait long enough until I get some kind of acceptable resolution, mostly standing there and waiting. And if not fully satisfied, I just need to live with it and move on.
SmallSaltyMermaid@reddit
I think it’s hard for everyone to be but so understand these days and it takes more effort on my part to show empathy and kindness when having a “tough day.” I do my best guys, but crappy service will reflect a poor tip and I would be upset about a moldy pillow too. Those are valid complaints.
Everything costs more. We have a president that is an embarrassment on all kinds of levels. We are now in a war that most Americans don’t support (my 26 year veteran husband included). We are being gaslit every single day by this administration that the media is lying to us about their actions. The realization the American dream is a pipe dream is beyond evident that I think about moving to another country to start over. All this has resulted in low morale overall by everyone not happy with the state of America.
Yes, I tune out and focus on my mental health but I believe many American are genuinely concerned about what’s happening in our country under the current administration. It’s hard not to think politics is playing a role in the mood and state of America. I certainly don’t feel like celebrating 250 years in July.
I digress. Just do your best to be kind and be a better role model for your kids to be a better generation.
_chubby-puppy_@reddit
This is why going out has become vastly overrated
Adrasteia-One@reddit
I'm starting to feel this way more. It's not just the rising cost of everything, but many times people are just too much to deal with. I look at it as an opportunity to try and be more zen about things you can't change while trying to be in control of those things you can control.
Cptcodfish@reddit
As the parent of a daughter named Karen, I really hate that her name gets used this way. It has not been good for her mental health. People can obviously say whatever they want, but please think twice about it.
pingus3233@reddit
Everybody is an asshole post-COVID.
introextra-@reddit
Maybe, just maybe? https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/21608-perimenopause
nd379@reddit (OP)
I'm fully aware and on HRT. So this is me already medicated
introextra-@reddit
Hugs to you then. Cause it’s probably exhausting feeling constantly irritated.
nd379@reddit (OP)
It is incredibly exhausting. Especially when I spent my whole life being annoyed by basically nothing. 😭
Massive-Chip-6951@reddit
Menopause?
nd379@reddit (OP)
Peri, yes
Massive-Chip-6951@reddit
Just like when us men turn into grump old bastards. A way of life. :)
usernames_suck_ok@reddit
This sounds like you thought she'd give you the room free or take some off the cost. Having worked hotel front desk, I can say that not every hotel front desk person is authorized to do such things and you literally did probably need to ask for the manager, lol. I used to feel like we were frequently treated by guests like we were supposed to know/do far more than what we were supposed to know/do. You're talking about people who make, like...$12-15/hr at a "very nice hotel" in a city like Chicago, worse than that at a very nice hotel in B and C-list areas and far worse than that at a standard hotel in B and C-list areas (like, $8-9/hr).
I also have experienced a huge difference in customer service quality these days...which is not about my age, really, so much as things like younger generations being very different today, customer service jobs being understandably shitty from the worker's standpoint, a lot of those workers being lower socioeconomic demographically, etc. I'm irritated by it but am accustomed to it and don't particularly expect better--I'm just pleasantly surprised when I get better.
I don't think you're a Karen or overreacting, per se, but you do kind of come off as lacking some awareness of how things are and will likely be and/or understanding for the employees in those situations.
takisara@reddit
My default tip lately is $5....i hate tipping for bad service.
Im with you, i hate people putting bags and feet on the train seats. I notice no one holds the door anymore for the person behind them. Just out for a walk and other people act annoyed i smiled and said hi.
I called for an appointment and they respond with a text.
I get it
analogthought@reddit
Welcome! The anti social club is a nice place to be. I have a list of places and things I do when I’m up for dealing with the public - drive thru car washes with self vacuums, any store etc right when they open and only on weekdays- delivery for as many things as I can (groceries, the occasional meal)- I realized recently that pretty much since Covid I’ve adjusted the time I’m forced in public with others to be as little as necessary. You’re not alone- I’ll wave at the red light thru my darkly tinted windows.
RoyDonkeyKong@reddit
I tried thinking of what would convince me to tip less than 20%, and it was really just a list of what would convince me to walk out of the restaurant.
nd379@reddit (OP)
Sorry but this is unrealistic and tunnel vision.
We sat down and were excited to try the food. She greeted us and took our drink order with the poor attitude. I gave the benefit of the doubt that she was having a bad day. By the time our food arrived I'd noticed her be cheery with the next door table. Again, benefit of the doubt. Halfway through our meal, noticed her be cheery with two other tables. At this point you would've walked out? And left no tip after getting some level of service?
RoyDonkeyKong@reddit
No, at that point, I don’t think I would have walked out.
Zargoza1@reddit
The idea that you can expect any amount of return for your expenses is outdated.
Holding corporations and hedge funds are guaranteed in stone tablets written by god herself to make better quarterly profits this quarter than last, and you’re just being selfish by expecting a fair return for your hard earned money if it will affect their bottom line.
Will you please be considerate of the “job creators”, and their yacht with a smaller yacht inside payments?
ChiefBroady@reddit
As we grow older our capacity for taking shit goes down. This is not Karen-behavior. This is just “I’m too old for this shit”. Karen behavior would be the entitlement of expecting to get things (services, etc.) which are not by rights yours to get.
2099AD@reddit
Honestly, this all sounds like we just need to, as a society, tell people to put their phones the fuck down. Or whatever else is so distracting needs to be put away. When you're at work, you're there to work.
The housekeeper let MOLD grow on a pillowcase? Do you know how long it takes for mold to grow on a pillowcase? That's not just neglect, that's incompetence.
Oh, the poor waitress has to do her job? Poor baby. Show up, serve food nicely, or find a new job. Sure, we all have bad days here and there, but all I have to go on is what the OP said.
The Internet and social media can be real fun. But not at the expense of our jobs.
(And yes, I'm typing this at work! But my current workload is complete, and I'm waiting for my next task and checking Reddit in the meantime.)
I_AM_DEATH-INCARNATE@reddit
I stayed at a hotel this past weekend and someone sideswiped me while I was parked perfectly in the lines. Woke up to no cars on either side of my and a potential 5K bill for the damage. I could go through my insurance but idk what it'll do to the rates.
Car is six months old, less than 7K miles on it.
Embarrassed_Ad2475@reddit
I spent $110 on middle of the day Monday tickets for 3 with popcorn, candy, and drinks. Why aren’t weekdays cheaper?!??
Moist-Golf-8339@reddit
I had worked CS for a long time, and I typically go with the "kill them with kindness" approach. ...most of the time.
The hotel pillow? I would have politely asked for a comp or at least a gift certificate for another night in the same chain. If the person behind the desk couldn't do anything, I'd (politely) ask if there is a manager on who could address it, or who could call me later. If I didn't get anything, I'd just avoid that chain from there on out. As the manager, I'd be a little embarrassed and want to know there was an issue so it could be addressed.
The restaurant? All I ask is to be treated kindly and even if there are mistakes in the order, I'm typically tipping over 20%. --especially locally. But if I'm out of town and a straight-up rude server breaks the basic expectation of service gets 10% tops. I'm not going to be a jerk. I won't raise a stink. But what goes around comes around. I'm nobody's bitch.
therealpopkiller@reddit
I think on the whole quality of service has declined in the US. I think a lot of that has to do with upward mobility be becoming less and less of a guarantee and more and more a lottery. People don’t feel like they can get ahead by working hard and the game is rigged against them, so they don’t put in the effort. In short: capitalism is the villain yet again.
Moist-Golf-8339@reddit
I had worked CS for a long time, and there are right ways and wrong ways to handle some situations.
The hotel pillow? I would have politely asked for a comp or at least a gift certificate for another night in the same chain. If the person behind the desk couldn't do anything, I'd (politely) ask if there is a manager on who could address it, or who could call me later. If I didn't get anything, I'd just avoid that chain from there on out. As the manager, I'd be a little embarrassed and want to know there was an issue so it could be addressed.
The restaurant? All I ask is to be treated kindly and even if there are mistakes in the order, I'm typically tipping over 20%. --especially locally. But if I'm out of town and a straight-up rude server breaks the basic expectation of service gets 10% tops. I'm not going to be a jerk. I won't raise a stink. But they're probably going to be equally happy as I was.
Kjler@reddit
You had a moldy pillow, that sucks, what do you want? Do you think you should get a hundred dollars and a hand job because you had a dirty pillow and nothing happened?
Oh, you were inconvienced by thinking in your own head that someone else was thinking in their own head that you were an inconvienience? How fo you not "belive" in something you do? Go to bed!
Actually, now that I've got that out of the system, maybe you do need to go to bed. We always needed more sleep, but we need it now more than ever now that we are old and crabby. You can't put it off anymore. Its making you mean.
nd379@reddit (OP)
I have very healthy sleep patterns. 😕
HopelessMagic@reddit
And no sarcasm detector. 😉
nd379@reddit (OP)
Oh, I thought the vast majority of what you said was sarcasm but not the sleep part, lol 🤦♀️
DiggityDanksta@reddit
>When I checked out Saturday morning, I showed the front desk girl, and all she said was, “Eww, I'll tell the housekeeping manager as soon as I can,” and then continued checking me out. Wtf?! Am I wrong for expecting more?
What did you expect her to do?
nd379@reddit (OP)
Well, working in customer service the vast majority of my life, I've always been trained to contact a manager to come talk to the person when there is a legit reason. 🤷♀️ Not just blow it off. Maybe that's just me though
Slim_Margins1999@reddit
In this situation sometimes you have to advocate for yourself. They aren’t going to escalate or offer you a partial refund on their own. But if you ask, you might get somewhere. Hopefully it just doesn’t happen again!
rythmicjea@reddit
Just know that Karen's can use their power for good.
SadAcanthocephala521@reddit
You're not being a Karen unless you're absolutely losing your shit on people in a completely uncivilized manner.
Embarrassed_Key_4539@reddit
Use your words, not necessarily a Karen but you are old enough to be able to communicate and advocate effectively
nd379@reddit (OP)
I'm certainly old enough, but I'd argue that I'm not able. I've spent the last 42 years of my life doing nothing but blending into the background and empathizing with everyone else, sometimes at my own detriment. This is a work in progress for me, and I'm incredibly scared I'll be so upset that I'll irrationally take it out on someone.
Embarrassed_Key_4539@reddit
Are you in therapy? That’s no way to go through life imo
nd379@reddit (OP)
I have been off and on, mostly on, the last ten years to work through childhood abuse. I'm well aware of why I was and am the way I am.
alvinofdiaspar@reddit
It’s not being a Karen to demand better - having and maintaining standards isn’t an option.
FoppyRETURNS@reddit
I stay quiet. I've lived in neighborhoods and had jobs where drama isn't worth it.